What would happen to next years recruits if RR is gone after this year?

[goblue]

I don't want to be negative. I don't want to put the cart before the horse. I just want to be able to confront one of my biggest fears for Michigan football. I'm expecting Michigan to go at least 6-6 this year at a minimum. Maybe even 8 or 9 wins if things go perfectly, such as Forcier running the spread the way it's supposed to be run and staying healthy, Minor having a huge year, our offensive line jelling and playing better than average, and our defense turning it around with our new coordinator, and having the type of year where the ball bounces our way the majority of the time.

But say Michigan just has an awful year again where they win 3 or 4 games. They lose to MSU, Notre Dame and Ohio State. Say RR is either fired or resigns. Would Gardner and a lot of next years recruits go somewhere else? And what about the current team? Wouldn't many of them leave? And if we start off badly and kind of get the feeling that it's going to be one of those years, shouldn't we have a backup plan for a coach in case this happens? I don't anticipate this to happen. But at the same time part of being successful is being prepared in case it does happen. It's surely far from impossible being the kind of year that we had last year and the question marks about this year.

If this horrible thing did happen, one name that comes to my mind so we don't lose half our team would be Brian Kelly. He runs the spread, which would help in keeping the spread players here. He has big ties to the state of Michigan as well as to the state Ohio. He's turned a basketball school into a football school with Cincinnati. He'd probably jump to Michigan in a second. I'm just wondering what you guys think we should do should RR be gone at the end of the season or if it's looking that way during the season.

[Revelli]

Dunno... uumm, Grady Hoak (sp?)

[Sten Carlson]

Say RR is either fired or resigns.

Ain't gonna happen, so stop worrying about it. No matter what happens this year (barring some non-football related scandal) there is no way that RR is fired or resigns.

As a Michigan Man, you should have some perspective on how much of a "dream job" being the HC at Michigan is. Further, as a Michigan Man, you should be well aware of how the University of Michigan is NOT prone to rash and hasty decisions.

All those thinking and contemplating the worst-case-scenario are doing nothing but playing into the hands of the trolls and nay-sayers!

Just sit back and watch what transpires on the field this year -- these guys are coming together as a team, in a way that RR didn't even expect and is excited about. A TEAM can do anything they set their mind to. A TEAM can overcome any hurdle, and any deficiency. I am pretty sure there will be moments of struggle, but they're Michigan Men, and they will overcome those struggles and be stronger than they were before. As fans, as Michigan Men ourselves, we have rise above such doom and gloom speculations, and trust that all the positive news coming out of Ann Arbor is evidence of the fact that the tide has turned, and that the winningest college football team of all time is right back on track.

Suck it up, grow a pair, and have some faith in the Maize and Blue!

[rickyleach]

i dont think that would happen, but if it did ,i believe michigan would need atleast 3 or 4 years to get back on track especially if the program hired a coach with a more conventional offensive approach, you would almost think recruiting guys like what lloyd was recruiting..

[goblue]

i dont think that would happen, but if it did ,i believe michigan would need atleast 3 or 4 years to get back on track especially if the program hired a coach with a more conventional offensive approach, you would almost think recruiting guys like what lloyd was recruiting..

That's what I was thinking. If we did change coaches with a different philosophy, many of the players we have now wouldn't fit in. It would be a complete disaster. That's why I'm hoping that if Michigan doesn't win 6 games and don't make a bowl game that the fans will realize the investment we made with RR and give him till after the 2010 season before they make any coaching changes if things go bad.

I don't know what athletic director Martin and the administration are discussing now. Or if they have a plan for the worse case scenario. I don't know what's being said behind closed doors with the players about this possibly happening. But I do know what's being said locally by alumni, season ticket holders, and the donors. Many of them feel that if Michigan doesn't at least make a bowl game that RR should be fired instantly. No questions asked. Many Michigan alumni and/or fans on this forum live outside of Michigan to use their degrees for jobs in different states, and rightfully so in order to make a living. So they cannot really feel the atmosphere of what's really going on locally. Being a local I can tell you that the patience will run out after this year and RR will be booed out of Ann Arbor if Michigan wins 3 or 4 games this year.

[Rockie]

Didn't AD say "Rod, if you only win three games this year, we will both be looking for jobs?" Every team Michigan plays this year has issues and if the injury bug hits certain teams at certain places like Ohio State and Pryor, the whole league could change.

[goblue]

Didn't AD say "Rod, if you only win three games this year, we will both be looking for jobs?" Every team Michigan plays this year has issues and if the injury bug hits certain teams at certain places like Ohio State and Pryor, the whole league could change.

Good point Rockie. It's just a fear I have that's not based on fact. I could say the same thing about many other teams in the big ten. "What if" Pryor did get hurt? Ohio State would be in deep crap. Even if he's healthy and improving, what if they get spanked by USC again in their own back yard, which could very well happen? It would take away their confidence on the big stage for the rest of the year. "What if" Michigan State doesn't get a replacement for Ringer and none of their rb's are that good? MSU would be in trouble. The list could go on.

A problem shared is a problem cut in half.

[Run The Ball]

I don't know what athletic director Martin and the administration are discussing now. Or if they have a plan for the worse case scenario. I don't know what's being said behind closed doors with the players about this possibly happening. But I do know what's being said locally by alumni, season ticket holders, and the donors. Many of them feel that if Michigan doesn't at least make a bowl game that RR should be fired instantly. No questions asked. Many Michigan alumni and/or fans on this forum live outside of Michigan to use their degrees for jobs in different states, and rightfully so in order to make a living. So they cannot really feel the atmosphere of what's really going on locally. Being a local I can tell you that the patience will run out after this year and RR will be booed out of Ann Arbor if Michigan wins 3 or 4 games this year.

Remember, the Board, the Prez, the AD....they do not determine how long a coach stays at a major university. The boosters do. The folks who give our program LOTS of money do. We can keep making excuses for DikkRod all we want, but his days are numbered in Ann Arbor and he knows it. Wrong coach, wrong school, wrong system, wrong philosophy, wrong everything.

With that said, nobody wants our football team back more than I do, and I simply can't stand DikkRod and his gimmicky piece-of-shit offense. However, we shouldn't fire DikkRod or Martian....they hopefully are classy enough to both step down.

[Sten Carlson]

Remember, the Board, the Prez, the AD....they do not determine how long a coach stays at a major university. The boosters do. The folks who give our program LOTS of money do. We can keep making excuses for DikkRod all we want, but his days are numbered in Ann Arbor and he knows it. Wrong coach, wrong school, wrong system, wrong philosophy, wrong everything.

With that said, nobody wants our football team back more than I do, and I simply can't stand DikkRod and his gimmicky piece-of-shit offense. However, we shouldn't fire DikkRod or Martian....they hopefully are classy enough to both step down.

You don't even want to see what happens this year before you tie the noose around RR's neck?

What if he goes 12-0 and wins the NC? Or what if they win the Big 10, or what if they win 8 games and beat OSU? Are you going to change your tune about RR's gimmicky offense if Tate is the Big 10 Freshman of the year, earns national Freshman recognition, and Minor rushes for over 1000 yards?

Who is making excuses for RR? He certainly isn't making excuses for himself. He is doing what men do, what leaders do -- he is learning from his mistakes, taking steps to insure they don't happen again, and moving forward with his plan for success. Which, by the way, has worked at several other schools and there is no indication that Michigan should be any different -- in fact, from all the insiders comments, it sounds like it will be an even easier transition.

Instead of me asking questions, why don't you come out and tell us all (cuz we're all dying to know I am sure) why, specifically, would have to happen for you to accept RR, and stop calling for his head on a platter.

I cannot believe that you would so impatient, so short-sighted, and so uninformed as to NOT see that things are looking very bright in Ann Arbor, and that RR is making huge strides in fielding a well prepared, conditioned, and unified team. Again, what is it going to take for you to stop being a hater?

ps -- it's not YOUR football program, it's the University of Michigan's football program, to which you have NO affiliation.

[amazinblue]

Remember, the Board, the Prez, the AD....they do not determine how long a coach stays at a major university. The boosters do. The folks who give our program LOTS of money do. We can keep making excuses for DikkRod all we want, but his days are numbered in Ann Arbor and he knows it. Wrong coach, wrong school, wrong system, wrong philosophy, wrong everything.

With that said, nobody wants our football team back more than I do, and I simply can't stand DikkRod and his gimmicky piece-of-shit offense. However, we shouldn't fire DikkRod or Martian....they hopefully are classy enough to both step down.

RTB,

Please tell me something. Why do you find it necessary to denegrate RR and Martin? Do you really think that your names are "intelligent, cute, and creative"? The same goes for your "piece-of-shit offense" and other remarks in your posts.

I wonder if you are this disrespectful in all of your conversations and references to others. IMO, it's a sign of maturity - or lack thereof, and candidly - I've had enough of reading what you write.

You can easily express your displeasure for the decisions that have been made - and your distaste for RR and others - without the need for childish name calling.

I really wonder if you're "classy enough" to either 1) step down from the board and stop positing, or 2) write posts with using 2nd or 3rd grade nicknames.

[RADRACING]

You mean what will happen to a pile of undersized 3 star players? I would say they will be cut from the team and new players will replace them, along with the coach.

[Wolvrin704]

You mean what will happen to a pile of undersized 3 star players? I would say they will be cut from the team and new players will replace them, along with the coach.

Who is undersized? There are more than a few 4 star and 5 star players on the team as well.

You always seem to increase your attacks on this team when RTB comes around.

[rickyleach]

i dont think we need to worry about richrod going anyplace, the guy is a great coach and has provin this with far less talent, people keep bringing up our three star talent, but fail to mention every program recruits three star talent, i believe we had 15- 4 star kids in our 2008 class,but really the point is michigan is going to be fine , after 2010 i would bet rr gets a longer coaching contract with michigan, we will win 7 or maybe 8 games this season, and 10 or 11 in 2010, after that a national title is possible, as far as the scab posters on our site , rtb and nutsack really dont matter , we all know their special ed material.. GO BLUE

[Sten Carlson]

rtb and nutsack really dont matter , we all know their special ed material.. GO BLUE

Ricky,

Why you got to go an insult "Special ED" students by putting them in the same category as Nut and RTB?!?

[1OSUNUT]

Even though I think Ricky is nothing more then a ass cowboy - I do get enjoyment knowing he has to watch Michigan struggle. That will take a bit of a backseat this year.

I cannot wait to see how Sten reacts when Michigan starts losing this year. he has his head so far up RR's ass it's not funny. Even though your beloved Wolverines went 3-9 last year - RR did a great job. Sten has bought into the program more then the players have. If Michigan starts to lose he will not be around anymore.

[rickyleach]

sten your correct , im sorry, those special folks shouldnt ever be put in the class that nut and rtb are, again im sorry, man its great to be a michigan wolverine and the future looks bright, GO BLUE...

[Sten Carlson]

Even though I think Ricky is nothing more then a ass cowboy - I do get enjoyment knowing he has to watch Michigan struggle. That will take a bit of a backseat this year.

I cannot wait to see how Sten reacts when Michigan starts losing this year. he has his head so far up RR's ass it's not funny. Even though your beloved Wolverines went 3-9 last year - RR did a great job. Sten has bought into the program more then the players have. If Michigan starts to lose he will not be around anymore.

What a load of horseshit Nut!

You're such a total hypocrite it would laughable, if you weren't such a nuisance and pest around here.

I have "bought into" RR because he, as best I can tell from the media coverage, is doing what he needs to do to bring Michigan into the 21st century with regards to schemes and S&C, and these changes, I believe, will bring back to national prominence.

You're a person who gets enjoyment out of the misery of others, and for that, I pity you. I wouldn't wish that type of personality on my worst enemy.

I never said that RR did a "great job" last year by going 3-9, but neither have I laid all the blame at his feet -- last year was the result of a combination of factors, most of which I understand, and I, like most other Michigan Men, have the intelligence to move past and look to the future. It is only you, Don, and RTB who continually regress the conversation to last season, or worse still, to a lose to Pitt when RR wasn't even the coach of Michigan.

If Michigan losses a bunch of games, I will be right here, commenting and expressing my opinion about my beloved Wolverines! I am not going to hide from the facts, nor am I going to make excuses if I believe that there are fingers that need to be pointed at the culpable party. Again, you're transferring your pathology on to me and others.

If you look through my posts during last season, and even during games, I was 100% optimistic and positive despite the losses and poor performances -- I am a Michigan Man, and come hell or high water, I am going to root for Michigan and have a positive attitude.

I don't think I have "bought in" to any degree as much as the players have. I am not in the weight room, nor the meeting room, nor on the practice field. Everything coming out of Ann Arbor is very positive concerning the way the team is coming together, and the way that the players are responding to the new coaching staff. Last year was a necessary purging of a lot of old and bad habits -- I accept it for what it was, and know that it will only make our team stronger in the long run.

I won't go anywhere, I can promise you that.

You're nothing but an immature jackass, that has nearly 1000 posts on a MICHIGAN board, and who gets his jollies out of being the chief troll and the most despised member of a very active board. If that is what you want to be in life, so be it, but I, and many others in here think you're pathetic. Do you think others in here would say the same about me? Why don't you put that to a vote. I'll bet I get three or four votes against me (You, Don, RTB, and maybe one other) while you get 100s against you. What does that say about you?

I have faith in Michigan, and in RR -- you are a perpetual nay-sayer that will never ever say anything positive unless its about the Buckeyes. You twist and hijack every thread in a pathetic attempt to make it all about you and your Bucks, and you have the nerve to admonish me for my beliefs? I am man enough to tell you and everyone else that I think that TP is a great player, that he had great freshman season, and that I think he's going to have a great season this year. I am honest, you're not. You criticize everyone and everything associated with Michigan, even to the point of arguing about helmets, jerseys, and marching bands.

So again, I believe, due to the information about RR's past, and due to the present information coming out of Ann Arbor that he has the team on the right track.

If he leads Michigan to a great season, will you still be here?

[1OSUNUT]

How many threads have you had started about you ? None

This board would be boring if the Buckeye fans and the non-Kool Aid drinkers left. It would be a site full of circle jerks talking about how great Michigan is going to be in the future while they lose to the Toledos of the world. The only difference is that there would be nobody then to be the voice of reason. Sten - you and people like you need a solid dose of reality - it's like a kick in the pants. It sets you on the correct path. You have been seeing things through a different set of glasses then everybody else. Did you not watch the Wolverines last year ? Michigan is praying for a six win season. Well you should win six games - your playing 7 or 8 creampuffs.

Just because people do not look at everything RR does through his ass - does not make them wrong. In fact the people who think RR is the wrong guy seem to have the upper hand till proven otherwise. 3-9 is what your boy was last year - that is reality. All the BS he laid on you guys about tweaking his system to the talent was just that - BS. Maybe your next coach will restore your team to glory because IMO this one won't.

[Frank Rizzo]

First of all, NUT is a fucking cunt,sorry for the offended....second,We aint losin a coach,especially one that WILL turn our program around,more importantly, UPDATE the program. Third, bet ur sweet ass a ton of FAST,talented boyz wanna play for RR and Michigan.Everyone will wanna play for Michigan you watch and see fool. Last but not least,Pryor will definetly get stretched the fuck out this year, you heard it here first.He get jacked up big time this year, he has NEVER had a killer hit on him yet,but its commin...lol, fuck off buckeyes.

[The Michigan Man]

This board would be boring if the Buckeye fans and the non-Kool Aid drinkers left.

Let's test your theory.

[Sten Carlson]

This board would be boring if the Buckeye fans and the non-Kool Aid drinkers left. It would be a site full of circle jerks talking about how great Michigan is going to be in the future while they lose to the Toledos of the world.

Again Nut, all you ever talk about is LAST YEAR! Can't you get it through your thick fucking skull that last year is in the past? I understand it was a bad year, and I understand that we lost to some teams that we shouldn't have lost to (like Toledo), but it was nothing new -- just look at 2007 for your evidence. It was an anomaly, and unless it continues to occur, it is not worth continually mentioning as evidence that RR is unworthy or unfit to be the head coach. You're the only one that won't stop bringing it up.


The only difference is that there would be nobody then to be the voice of reason.

So who appointed you the "voice of reason"? Please let me know, because if you were appointed such, the one that did so is a complete and utter moron to think that you are anything but a blowhard whose idea of reason is so far from the mainstream as to be comical. God help us all if YOUR version of reason ever becomes something that people look at as a popular voice.


Sten - you and people like you need a solid dose of reality - it's like a kick in the pants. It sets you on the correct path. You have been seeing things through a different set of glasses then everybody else. Did you not watch the Wolverines last year ?

Again with the LAST YEAR? You're like a big dumb drooling idiot sitting in the corner and constantly repeating yourself, all the while imagining that you're actually saying something intelligent. I get it, we all get it -- last year SUCKED! I watched most of the games last year, and to be honest, there were times albeit few and far between, in which we looked good. So what is your point? You think that RR's first year in transition should the final judgment of his ability and potential to be successful? Not even you could be so shortsighted and asinine! Haven't you seen the 1st year records of the elite coaches in the country? Yes, 3-9 is worse than some, but as I said, there were several contributing factors to such a terrible record. No matter what anyone says, no matter what news comes out of the camps and practice, you will never stop talking about last season -- it seems to have been the crowning moment of your life, with the way you speak of it. Anyone with half a brain, and even an iota of college football knowledge and understanding would reserve judgment until at least the end of this season. Obviously you cannot muster such restraint -- such is the life of one stricken with a pathological inferiority complex.


Just because people do not look at everything RR does through his ass - does not make them wrong.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. But, I don't think anyone is "wrong", I think that there are people in here, you being the main one, that aren't acting like an informed college football fan would act. You, et.al., are jumping to conclusions and refusing to let the man do what he does, and see where he can take the team. I don't expect you to be positive, but you come and proclaim that you're the voice of reason, and that you're some super-knowledgeable guy when it comes to football, but then everything that you say is UNREASONABLE. You cannot have it both ways. If you were the real voice of reason, you'd be saying, "RR has a lot to prove, but, his record is pretty good at turning teams around in his second year. If he was able to do it at WVU, with a much smaller recruiting base, one would think that he'd have an easier time at a recruiting powerhouse like Michigan." Which is all I am saying, and all I have ever said. I have stated my position, and then as time has gone on, I have seen repeated news stories and first-hand accounts of information that has corroborated my belief that RR is, in fact, making positive strides.



In fact the people who think RR is the wrong guy seem to have the upper hand till proven otherwise.

What, "upper hand" are you talking about? See that is part of the problem -- you think that this is some kind of competition, a one-up-manship game in which whomever zings the other side best wins. You are in the minority in here if you think that is why most people are in here. Mostly, people come here to read information about Michigan Football -- not try to win points in a battle of wits with the like of you, RTB, and Don. Worse still, is this notion that you guys seem to embody that ANYTHING that goes on here is ever going to effect the outcome or decisions concerning RR's position. The bottom line is, that you think that you speak for some group of RR haters, and you don't -- you speak for yourself, and nobody else. So get over yourself, Nut, you're not the voice of reason, and we don't need a "reality check" -- we're entitled to think anything we choose to think.


3-9 is what your boy was last year - that is reality. All the BS he laid on you guys about tweaking his system to the talent was just that - BS. Maybe your next coach will restore your team to glory because IMO this one won't.

There you go again! I am aware that was the record last year, thanks, you don't have to keep repeating yourself! You can think that it's bullshit all you want, that is your choice. I don't think it is, but again, you're entitled to your opinion. As has been expressed by many in here before, we're going to have a pretty clear picture of whether it was a load of bullshit or not this season -- that is why intelligent people play the "wait and see" game,and make every effort to be informed before coming to a conclusion. As is obvious by your mindless chanting of, "last year, Toledo, 3-9, lost to Pitt..." etc, you don't fall within that category. In fact, you don't even fall with in the same time zone as what would be considered "intelligent" --for fuck sake, you don't even know the difference between your and you're!

So, like MM said, why don't you test your theory about finding out what this board would be like without you. Go away for the entire season and come back in 2010, and you can then compile the data. You're too much of a coward to put your money where your mouth is though, so I won't hold my breath.

[RADRACING]

Again Nut, all you ever talk about is LAST YEAR! Can't you get it through your thick fucking skull that last year is in the past? I understand it was a bad year, and I understand that we lost to some teams that we shouldn't have lost to (like Toledo), but it was nothing new -- just look at 2007 for your evidence. It was an anomaly, and unless it continues to occur, it is not worth continually mentioning as evidence that RR is unworthy or unfit to be the head coach. You're the only one that won't stop bringing it up.



So who appointed you the "voice of reason"? Please let me know, because if you were appointed such, the one that did so is a complete and utter moron to think that you are anything but a blowhard whose idea of reason is so far from the mainstream as to be comical. God help us all if YOUR version of reason ever becomes something that people look at as a popular voice.



Again with the LAST YEAR? You're like a big dumb drooling idiot sitting in the corner and constantly repeating yourself, all the while imagining that you're actually saying something intelligent. I get it, we all get it -- last year SUCKED! I watched most of the games last year, and to be honest, there were times albeit few and far between, in which we looked good. So what is your point? You think that RR's first year in transition should the final judgment of his ability and potential to be successful? Not even you could be so shortsighted and asinine! Haven't you seen the 1st year records of the elite coaches in the country? Yes, 3-9 is worse than some, but as I said, there were several contributing factors to such a terrible record. No matter what anyone says, no matter what news comes out of the camps and practice, you will never stop talking about last season -- it seems to have been the crowning moment of your life, with the way you speak of it. Anyone with half a brain, and even an iota of college football knowledge and understanding would reserve judgment until at least the end of this season. Obviously you cannot muster such restraint -- such is the life of one stricken with a pathological inferiority complex.



I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. But, I don't think anyone is "wrong", I think that there are people in here, you being the main one, that aren't acting like an informed college football fan would act. You, et.al., are jumping to conclusions and refusing to let the man do what he does, and see where he can take the team. I don't expect you to be positive, but you come and proclaim that you're the voice of reason, and that you're some super-knowledgeable guy when it comes to football, but then everything that you say is UNREASONABLE. You cannot have it both ways. If you were the real voice of reason, you'd be saying, "RR has a lot to prove, but, his record is pretty good at turning teams around in his second year. If he was able to do it at WVU, with a much smaller recruiting base, one would think that he'd have an easier time at a recruiting powerhouse like Michigan." Which is all I am saying, and all I have ever said. I have stated my position, and then as time has gone on, I have seen repeated news stories and first-hand accounts of information that has corroborated my belief that RR is, in fact, making positive strides.




What, "upper hand" are you talking about? See that is part of the problem -- you think that this is some kind of competition, a one-up-manship game in which whomever zings the other side best wins. You are in the minority in here if you think that is why most people are in here. Mostly, people come here to read information about Michigan Football -- not try to win points in a battle of wits with the like of you, RTB, and Don. Worse still, is this notion that you guys seem to embody that ANYTHING that goes on here is ever going to effect the outcome or decisions concerning RR's position. The bottom line is, that you think that you speak for some group of RR haters, and you don't -- you speak for yourself, and nobody else. So get over yourself, Nut, you're not the voice of reason, and we don't need a "reality check" -- we're entitled to think anything we choose to think.



There you go again! I am aware that was the record last year, thanks, you don't have to keep repeating yourself! You can think that it's bullshit all you want, that is your choice. I don't think it is, but again, you're entitled to your opinion. As has been expressed by many in here before, we're going to have a pretty clear picture of whether it was a load of bullshit or not this season -- that is why intelligent people play the "wait and see" game,and make every effort to be informed before coming to a conclusion. As is obvious by your mindless chanting of, "last year, Toledo, 3-9, lost to Pitt..." etc, you don't fall within that category. In fact, you don't even fall with in the same time zone as what would be considered "intelligent" --for fuck sake, you don't even know the difference between your and you're!

So, like MM said, why don't you test your theory about finding out what this board would be like without you. Go away for the entire season and come back in 2010, and you can then compile the data. You're too much of a coward to put your money where your mouth is though, so I won't hold my breath.

LMAO -Can't believe you typed all that in a response, too big to waist my time reading the details.

[Don Unverferth]

Let's test your theory.

Hate to admit it but I laughed out loud at this one.

[Sten Carlson]

LMAO -Can't believe you typed all that in a response, too big to waist my time reading the details.

Reading more than two lines can be tough, but you can do it Rad -- just sound it out.

I happen to write a lot, and as a result, I can basically think
and type at the same speed so a post like the one above doesn't take as long as it would take most people -- and, I got on a roll and in a flow. Sorry if I hurt your brain.