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GoDeepHammer
12-09-2008, 06:56 PM
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081209/SPORTS0201/812090427/1131

The Detroit News
Former Michigan quarterback Rick Leach, saying he had "no agenda" except that he wanted to show his love and support of the University of Michigan, appeared Tuesday morning on WTKA AM 1050 out of Ann Arbor. Leach discussed a number of Michigan football-related topics, including Rich Rodriguez, Lloyd Carr and the state of the program.

Leach was very visible at Schembechler Hall during the past football season under Rodriguez, and last week at the annual banquet, Rodriguez jokingly referred to Leach as his "agent."

Excerpts from Tuesday's interview on WTKA:

On Rodriguez: "Once Rich Rodriguez became available in this process, I was called out of the blue from my former coach, Don Nehlen, who was my quarterback coach my last two years (at Michigan).

"After I left Michigan, he went to West Virginia and basically built that program from the ground up. Rich Rodriguez was hired on his staff and took over when Don retired.

"Don called me and shared his feelings about (Rodriguez) as a person, as a coach. That's all I needed to hear, believe me, because I know Don Nehlen is one of us. And Don Nehlen told him this opportunity only comes along once in a lifetime and if you don't take this job, you're a damn fool. God bless Don Nehlen for bringing that to us."

On the thought that the cupboard was bare for Rodriguez this season: "Let me give you a few facts. When Bo (Schembechler) came in and took over for Bump Elliott -- make it clear, when he came in, in 1969, he did not recruit any of those guys on that team that he took over. Let's see, on that team he took over, there turned out to be 28 all-Big Ten players, nine All-Americans and, oh yeah, three players that went into to the College Football Hall of Fame. That's No. 1.

"No. 2, when Lloyd Carr took over from Gary Moeller and he inherited that team, let me see, there were 24 all-Big Ten players, nine All-Americans and, oh yes, a Heisman Trophy winner in Charles Woodson.

"Now, correct me if I'm wrong, this year's all-Big Ten team just came out. Michigan had two players on the first and second team, and one of them was a punter. I rest my case."

On former U-M lineman Justin Boren, who transferred to Ohio State and was critical of Rodriguez and his staff: "My own personal feelings -- if you don't like it here, and you don't want to be here, then move on. Because if Rich Rodriguez and his staff are too tough for you, if you don't like the way they raise their voices and, oh yes, maybe even now and then they cuss at you, guess what? Bo Schembechler did, Gary Moeller, and I believe Lloyd Carr might have done that every now and then. If that's your issue, then move on."

On the belief that Carr has been reluctant to support Rodriguez: "As far as I know, there's been no comment, nothing come out publicly to support him, and to me, and I guess since I speak my mind, my feeling is, I guess silence speaks a thousand words. I wish he would, because many people came to his side when he needed help."

More on Carr and Rodriguez: "Let me make this perfectly clear, I feel that from the time I've been here, I supported Bo Schembechler, I supported Gary Moeller and I sure supported Lloyd Carr. I'm proud that he was our coach. I'm proud of what he accomplished. I'm proud that he won the national title in 1997. I'm proud of how he conducted himself and the values he taught all those players over all those years.

"To me, if you take any player that he coached over those years and they didn't feel as strongly about him as I do my coach, Bo Schembechler, I'd be shocked.

"My whole point through this -- Lloyd Carr is not coaching here anymore, Rich Rodriguez is. And he needs the same support and the same guidance, and he needs to know players, former coaches and everybody, because we went through a real tough time (this year). We got kicked in the gut, huge. Give this man the same respect that you gave the others."

On salty language at practice: "I've got to say, because everybody around this town, around this country and in this profession had so much respect for Bo Schembechler. If you think for a minute that he didn't use language behind the scenes or on the sidelines -- we all saw some of the tirades.
"What a joke. It's just another log on the fire that they try to throw at Rich Rodriguez. I've been to practice. They talk about family values? Well, guess what? He allows his wife, the coaches' wives and their children to come to practice, and they coach the way they coach.

"Was I a little shocked and surprised when I first saw it? Absolutely. But if it's that big an issue -- they have their wives and children witness that, so it can't be too big an issue.

"They coach how they coach. Every coach has his own style and his own way of doing things. My whole point is, if you don't want to hear that kind of language and be coached aggressively for a staff that just wants to try to get the best out of your ability, then go to Trinity Baptist College and see how their football program is."

On Rodriguez not knowing initially about the No. 1 jersey tradition and doing away with season-long captains: "The No. 1 jersey was, to me, was a total non-issue. My only thing that I wished was that Braylon (Edwards), instead of immediately going on ESPN, just call (Rodriguez). It could have been done with a simple phone call, it could have been done behind the scenes, because that was just one more log on the fire for Rodriguez.

"As far as the captains, I agree totally (with Rodriguez). I see the value of captains everywhere I've been. But Rich Rodriguez put together a group in the summer called 'the apostles.' He had eight seniors, six juniors, four sophomores. That's 18, I believe. That to me is 18 captains. Those are the leaders he wanted to make decisions, so that's a non-issue.

"Bo made it very clear your whole senior class is your leaders. There may be two appointed guys, but your senior class, that's where it's happening."
On the 3-9 season: "There's no question we all took a kick in the gut. But when I look at it, I just don't look at the wins and losses. I see where we're at, the baseline we need to start with, and the talent and the speed and the athletic ability that he currently is roping up on the recruiting trail.
"I believe in him 100 percent, and I am excited about our future."

More on Rodriguez: "They bring all the former players back once a year. One year it's Ohio State, one year it's Michigan State. I was out there with two of my sons, fired up because the (Spartans) were in town, and I wanted them bad.

"When they came down the tunnel, and I'm standing 10 yards from that tunnel and Rich Rodriguez came down with the seniors, and I took one look in his eye, and I said, 'That's my guy.' I've seen that look before, I've played for him. His name was Bo Schembechler, and I'm damn proud (Rodriguez is) here."

rickyleach
12-09-2008, 07:07 PM
Rick leach is a great representitive of what michigan stands for, i will always remember bob ufer saying this about ricky leach , god bless his maize and blue heart and he was right, and he is right about rich rod too..

amazinblue
12-09-2008, 08:39 PM
I like what Leach is saying... No doubt about it... Go Blue!

blueisbetterthanred
12-09-2008, 11:43 PM
It's good to see people of note publicly supporting RR. I'm glad Carr isn't one of them!

GoBlue21
12-10-2008, 08:26 AM
I remember listening to this interview, Ricky got me fired up!!!

Bring on September...

by the way, GO BLUE!!!

tpilews
12-10-2008, 08:46 AM
It's good to see people of note publicly supporting RR. I'm glad Carr isn't one of them!

Yeah, I feel at this point, any support coming from Carr was only because he was called out.

I do agree with everyone else, I like the public support for RR from a figurehead of UM football. I wish more players/coaches from the past would be as well.

Sten Carlson
12-10-2008, 09:13 AM
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081209/SPORTS0201/812090427/1131

On Rodriguez: "Once Rich Rodriguez became available in this process, I was called out of the blue from my former coach, Don Nehlen, who was my quarterback coach my last two years (at Michigan).

"After I left Michigan, he went to West Virginia and basically built that program from the ground up. Rich Rodriguez was hired on his staff and took over when Don retired.

"Don called me and shared his feelings about (Rodriguez) as a person, as a coach. That's all I needed to hear, believe me, because I know Don Nehlen is one of us. And Don Nehlen told him this opportunity only comes along once in a lifetime and if you don't take this job, you're a damn fool. God bless Don Nehlen for bringing that to us."

So, it turns out that RR does have a Michigan connection after all. I'd be willing to bet that RR sat through many a lecture from Nehlen about how Bo used to do things, or what Bo thought about this, or how Bo would have handled that I also like what Leach had to say about watching the team come down the tunnel, and recognizing the look in RR's eyes as a Bo-like look. That is something that no reporter, no armchair QB can see -- that is something that only a guy that has been there and done that can see. And I LOVE the fact that he sees it!

Nehlen gave RR very sage advice; take this job or you'll regret it the rest of your career! Its Michigan, the winningest college football team of ALL TIME! Go there and you'll be able to put your name in the record books with some of the greatest coaches and players to ever play the game -- bring the program back to where it belongs, where the fans and alumni expect it, and you'll be a legend!

After watching this season unfold, I feel like this season was actually a godsend for Michigan -- it's something that I think we're needed for a long time. It was a wake up call, a stark reminder that no matter who you are, no matter your tradition, you can really suck if you allow a group of inbred and lethargic coaches to run your program. Look at what Alabama went through over the past few seasons. They lost to UF the other day, so what, UF is a great team! Bama wasn't even ranked going into the season, and last year they had their own App. State if I am not mistaken.

Yes, my fellow Michigan Men and Women, last season's adversity is going to talked about for years to come. But, not as a lamentation, but with a nostalgic smile, with a humble nod, and with a heart-felt thanks for the trial, for the test, and for the opportunity to see how the other half live. When we're playing in a BCS Bowl, RR will be able to call his players minds back to a time when eveyone was laughing at them, when people like RTB were calling for him to be fired, and asking Coleman to suspend football operations! He'll be able to point to this past season and tell his players that is what happens to team when their coaches give up, and don't develop their talent. He'll be able to point to this past season when the guys are 100% dead in training camp, and tell them to give him more, to push it harder because they're wearing the MICHIGAN maize and blue, they are Michigan Men, and what ever doesn't kill a Michigan Man, will only make him stronger!

All you nay-sayers out there are in for a shock when you see what RR brings to the field over the next few seasons. You're in for a shock, and many of you are going to owe some serious apologies to RR, Martin, and all your fellow Michigan Men and women for your ignorance, your impatience, and most of all for your traitorous lack of FAITH in the MAIZE and BLUE!

Go Blue!

elno lewis
12-10-2008, 09:36 AM
Yeah, I'm kind of pizzed Carr is hiding. Heck, even Bump Elliot showed up for a pic with Bo etc when Bo came in.

I think Carr is just pizzed that his boy didn't get a shot at the job.

I used to like Carr more than I do today. Sour grapes.

In Rod We Trust!

GoDeepHammer
12-10-2008, 10:16 AM
So, it turns out that RR does have a Michigan connection after all. I'd be willing to bet that RR sat through many a lecture from Nehlen about how Bo used to do things, or what Bo thought about this, or how Bo would have handled that I also like what Leach had to say about watching the team come down the tunnel, and recognizing the look in RR's eyes as a Bo-like look. That is something that no reporter, no armchair QB can see -- that is something that only a guy that has been there and done that can see. And I LOVE the fact that he sees it!

Nehlen gave RR very sage advice; take this job or you'll regret it the rest of your career! Its Michigan, the winningest college football team of ALL TIME! Go there and you'll be able to put your name in the record books with some of the greatest coaches and players to ever play the game -- bring the program back to where it belongs, where the fans and alumni expect it, and you'll be a legend!

After watching this season unfold, I feel like this season was actually a godsend for Michigan -- it's something that I think we're needed for a long time. It was a wake up call, a stark reminder that no matter who you are, no matter your tradition, you can really suck if you allow a group of inbred and lethargic coaches to run your program. Look at what Alabama went through over the past few seasons. They lost to UF the other day, so what, UF is a great team! Bama wasn't even ranked going into the season, and last year they had their own App. State if I am not mistaken.

Yes, my fellow Michigan Men and Women, last season's adversity is going to talked about for years to come. But, not as a lamentation, but with a nostalgic smile, with a humble nod, and with a heart-felt thanks for the trial, for the test, and for the opportunity to see how the other half live. When we're playing in a BCS Bowl, RR will be able to call his players minds back to a time when eveyone was laughing at them, when people like RTB were calling for him to be fired, and asking Coleman to suspend football operations! He'll be able to point to this past season and tell his players that is what happens to team when their coaches give up, and don't develop their talent. He'll be able to point to this past season when the guys are 100% dead in training camp, and tell them to give him more, to push it harder because they're wearing the MICHIGAN maize and blue, they are Michigan Men, and what ever doesn't kill a Michigan Man, will only make him stronger!

All you nay-sayers out there are in for a shock when you see what RR brings to the field over the next few seasons. You're in for a shock, and many of you are going to owe some serious apologies to RR, Martin, and all your fellow Michigan Men and women for your ignorance, your impatience, and most of all for your traitorous lack of FAITH in the MAIZE and BLUE!

Go Blue!


Dam good post, Dam good post.

amazinblue
12-10-2008, 10:24 AM
Dam good post, Dam good post.

I second what Hammer said... Sten, a fine post!

bluefan
12-10-2008, 10:47 AM
I second what Elno and Hammer said.

nc wolverine
12-10-2008, 11:30 AM
great article. From the get go it really didnt seem like RRod had a lot of support because he wasnt a michigan man. That became old. I was really hoping to see michigan family surround rrod. I just wish it hadd happen earlier in the season. I am happy to se leach's support and i think carr will come around

Todd
12-10-2008, 12:01 PM
"I believe in him 100 percent, and I am excited about our future."

My sentiments EXACTLY!!!

Inflames
12-10-2008, 01:47 PM
I agree 100% with the old QB. I am excited about next year and the years to come under RR's control.

Let's Go Blue!

rickyleach
12-10-2008, 03:32 PM
He being ricky leach, as bob ufer used to say, i think it is oka to keep a low profile, and i would like to think this is what lloyd is doing, but where is lloyds open love for the university that has made him the man he is , he flat out needs to show more support and if he has a problem ,then confront it and dont hide from it, you better believe if somthing was upsetting bo he would deal with real quick, go blue, do you think we are overthinking this and it is not a problem with lloyd and rr

tpilews
12-10-2008, 04:07 PM
He being ricky leach, as bob ufer used to say, i think it is oka to keep a low profile, and i would like to think this is what lloyd is doing, but where is lloyds open love for the university that has made him the man he is , he flat out needs to show more support and if he has a problem ,then confront it and dont hide from it, you better believe if somthing was upsetting bo he would deal with real quick, go blue, do you think we are overthinking this and it is not a problem with lloyd and rr

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like the guy too much either. I mean, RR took Lloyd's job. And it's not like they had a previous relationship. It's an awkward situation for both guys. Also, Lloyd didn't retire on his terms, everyone knows he was forced into retirement. Just another reason to be somewhat bitter. With time, I'm sure Carr will come around. The guy obviously loves being around the game and he's been helping other administrations with their problems.

BlueSpread
12-10-2008, 08:57 PM
I tell you why I think this season was a godsend, to reiterate another persons comment. Have you EVER yearned for victory against Northwestern, Purdue, Toledo, or any of these other scrub schools? Watching the games as our team lost I kept feeling this wave of vegeance wafting over me. That "wait till next year" or "wait till RR has got together" attitude. We used to EXPECT victories as Michigan fans, not necessarily EXPECT TO EARN them. For some reason the Purdue game really made me hate that school. I think train fanaticism is for 6 year old boys.

goblue
12-10-2008, 11:35 PM
Good Thread. I don't know what Carr's problem is. And wasn't one of the reasons why we didn't go after Miles more aggressively was because Carr wasn't crazy about him? Sounds like Carr is on a power trip.

amazinblue
12-11-2008, 07:27 AM
... Lloyd didn't retire on his terms, everyone knows he was forced into retirement. Just ...

TPI,

I have to disagree with you here. Lloyd left when he wanted to leave. Do you think it's a coincidence that he renegotiated the contracts for all of his coaches prior to last season? The renegotiation was this - it's a 24 month contract - and they'd get paid whether they were on the staff or let go.

Lloyd knew that 2007 was his last season before the season started - before the App State game and Oregon games.

So, he wasn't forced out, but I'm guessing he knew what was "left" after the 2007 season ended.

GoBlue21
12-11-2008, 08:23 AM
TPI,

I have to disagree with you here. Lloyd left when he wanted to leave. Do you think it's a coincidence that he renegotiated the contracts for all of his coaches prior to last season? The renegotiation was this - it's a 24 month contract - and they'd get paid whether they were on the staff or let go.

Lloyd knew that 2007 was his last season before the season started - before the App State game and Oregon games.

So, he wasn't forced out, but I'm guessing he knew what was "left" after the 2007 season ended.

I agree with amazin, Carr knew last year was his final season. He knew what he had this season and got the hell out of dodge!

How do you think Carr would have handled a losing season?

tpilews
12-11-2008, 08:32 AM
You know what, I remember reading an article recently that said Carr wanted to leave after 2006 season, but the administration convinced him to stay on. So, perhaps you guys are right.

GoBlue21
12-11-2008, 08:50 AM
You know what, I remember reading an article recently that said Carr wanted to leave after 2006 season, but the administration convinced him to stay on. So, perhaps you guys are right.

I believe that would have happen if the season would have ended differently. If Michigan beats tUOS in 2006, I think he would have announced his retirement! He would have ended his career at 13-0 or 12-1 and that's not a bad way to go out. 11-2 isn't bad either but those last 2 games were so frustrating. Considering they had a great core returning in 2007, maybe he was thinking last year was the year since Michigan came up short in 2006.

Then disaster hit in the first 2 games of 2007 and Michigan was behind the 8ball right out of the gates and definitely had an uphill battle the rest of the season. At least he went out with a win over a good opponent!!!