les miles trade

[nc wolverine]

Ok to start this off.... Im not trying to start anything just want to hear some opinions...

My best friend growing up is a senior at LSU.... he is as die hard tiger fan as I am a wolverine. ( i caught a lot of crap when miles stayed at lsu) Supposedly there is a rumor circling Baton rouge, that Miles is an option at michigan when his contract expires in 2 more years. Miles was so dissappointed on how rrod did this year that he wants to come to AA.

rumor or not

would you take him or not? given UM has 2 mediocre years

[amazinblue]

I'm happy with RR. I like his intensity - his approach - and everything going on with the program - S&C, involving former players, an updated offense, etc.

So, Miles had a year without a QB for his system. So did RR. The difference, Miles recruited his talent, and RR inherited his. In four years, if we're not pleased with what RR's done - THEN we can look for another coach. I'm certain we'll all (ok, most of us - since, RTB and few others are going to bitch and moan about everything) be pleased with what RR has done.

[Sten Carlson]

Nope, he had his chance, and we're beginning to see that he was winning before with Saban players. When he has his own in there, they're not nearly as good!

I don't think that has any real validity at all to be honest. Michigan would fire RR, and bring in Miles two years from now? I just don't see it -- it would cost too much, and besides, RR hasn't even show us what he can do with his players yet.

To be honest, I would rather have a situation like RR is in, than one that Miles is in. Meaning, I would rather have our new coach go through what he went through this season due to an obvious lack of talent left by the former regime, than win and win big early, only to find out that the only reason you were winning was due to the talent that the previous regime brought in. Now, we're at the bottom looking up, the holes in the team are clear, and RR is going to rather rapidly have all his players in place. By contrast, Miles is near the top, looking down, wondering how far he's going to fall, and hoping against hope that he can do as good a job of recruiting as Saban did. If he doesn't, I'd be willing the bet the LSU faithful will run him out of town after his two years are up!

Better to have a realistic understanding of which direction you need to go than a false sense of security brought on by the previous coaches excellence.

Besides, I know some pretty powerful LSU boosters that said, "you can have him!" When the rumors of him coming to Michigan were alive and kicking. They think he's a moron, and as I said, if he doesn't start winning and winning big again, they're going to run him out of town!

[nc wolverine]

i agree whole heartedly. Miles had his chance. and i will be honest i was thrilled when i found out (prematurely) that he was coming. But he turned his alma mater down.

I like the idea of what rrod could do. And i think next year we will be in the top 3 of the big ten.. following year..... we will be a top 10 team

[Shane Falco]

I'm happy with RR. I like his intensity - his approach - and everything going on with the program - S&C, involving former players, an updated offense, etc.

So, Miles had a year without a QB for his system. So did RR. The difference, Miles recruited his talent, and RR inherited his. In four years, if we're not pleased with what RR's done - THEN we can look for another coach. I'm certain we'll all (ok, most of us - since, RTB and few others are going to bitch and moan about everything) be pleased with what RR has done.

I agree 100% with amazinblue. If in 3-4 years Michigan is no better than you can start looking for another coach and possibly Miles. But until then I am happy with RR and think he is going to do great things.

[elno lewis]

My team is in the NC game and guess, what, I ain't goin nowheres. Can't blame Miles for that. Those chances don't come around every year now.

The timing just sucked and that is it.

We got RR now and if in two years RR fails miserably and Miles is still doing well and wants to come, ok I guess.

But I think RR will be doing ok. Actually, I kind of feel for the guy. I remember him talking about recruiting and having the big M on his chest and all the difference it would make. He obviously thought UM was a big family and he would be welcomed with open arms. The whole world then went on to basically treat him like shiat. Lloyd showed a total lack of class by not embracing him. Then everyone else piled on because he didn't go undefeated in his first year. Yeah, I know he is getting paid a lot of money and all. But the dude is human and has feelings. Imagine how Rita and his kids felt after all the abuse started pouring out.

He may ignore it, but he'll NEVER forget it. Bo caught some of that crap, too. but there wasn't no intertubes back then so it was a little easier on him.

If I were to run into RR on the street today, I would just extend my hand and say, Thanks Coach! I'm behind you 100%.

[tpilews]

Yeah, I agree with amazinblue here. I will add this though. If RR has another sub .500 year, people will be talking about firing him. If he has two more sub .500 years, then, imo, he's gone. That would open the door for Miles.

With that being said, I don't think any of this is going to happen and I think we will all be pretty darn happy with next years performance. I have no doubt that RR will make UM into a serious contender.

[GoDeepHammer]

I don't see this being an issues, as I think that RR is going to turn the program around. If in 4 year RR doesn't do something, then I am all for looking for a new coach.

[bluefan]

What's with all the Miles love? Let's all just calm down and really look at what's been going on in LSU land. I'm confident RR will have USC wishing they were UM in the next couple years but if it doesn't pan out we sure as hell don't want Les based on what we've seen so far.
He took over one of the most talented teams in the country thanks to Saban. The SEC last year wasn't nearly as awesome as the ESPN fvcks would have one believe so he wins out and goes to the MNC. There he goes up against a joke of a uos team led by a big game choker and joke of a coach in basically a home game. He was gifted that MNC.
Now, Les might just turn out to be more than a competent caretaker of someone else's great recruits. The nice thing is that we'll definitely know for sure what he's about before RR's probationary period is up. If he can land some great recruits and develope them and win with them then fine. But if he continues to struggle with teams that App St would blow out by halftime (Troy and Ole Miss) and call stupid ass plays that he got something more than lucky on (divine intervention?), we might want to search elsewhere instead of just handing him the reins.

[UM4life]

IOts 11:41 am on a wedsenday and Im' too drunk top ost.

[GoBlue21]

My team is in the NC game and guess, what, I ain't goin nowheres. Can't blame Miles for that. Those chances don't come around every year now.

The timing just sucked and that is it.

We got RR now and if in two years RR fails miserably and Miles is still doing well and wants to come, ok I guess.

But I think RR will be doing ok. Actually, I kind of feel for the guy. I remember him talking about recruiting and having the big M on his chest and all the difference it would make. He obviously thought UM was a big family and he would be welcomed with open arms. The whole world then went on to basically treat him like shiat. Lloyd showed a total lack of class by not embracing him. Then everyone else piled on because he didn't go undefeated in his first year. Yeah, I know he is getting paid a lot of money and all. But the dude is human and has feelings. Imagine how Rita and his kids felt after all the abuse started pouring out.

He may ignore it, but he'll NEVER forget it. Bo caught some of that crap, too. but there wasn't no intertubes back then so it was a little easier on him.

If I were to run into RR on the street today, I would just extend my hand and say, Thanks Coach! I'm behind you 100%.

Well said Elno!!!

People sometimes forget that and think they have the right to absolute bash someone because he's losing some football games. Death threats, public bashing; this crap is unnecessary! How would you feel if someone bashed you at work or received death threats for quiting your job or making mistakes on the job? He's only human like everyone, and he has A LOT more on his plate than anyone of us could imagine.

Let the guy do his job, he is still GREEN @ Michigan because he's only been there 11 months. He inherited a team with a lot less talent than a usual Michigan Football team. You read the article from Rick Leach, RichRod broke down what each coach inherited when they took over...


On the thought that the cupboard was bare for Rodriguez this season: "Let me give you a few facts. When Bo (Schembechler) came in and took over for Bump Elliott -- make it clear, when he came in, in 1969, he did not recruit any of those guys on that team that he took over. Let's see, on that team he took over, there turned out to be 28 all-Big Ten players, nine All-Americans and, oh yeah, three players that went into to the College Football Hall of Fame. That's No. 1.

"No. 2, when Lloyd Carr took over from Gary Moeller and he inherited that team, let me see, there were 24 all-Big Ten players, nine All-Americans and, oh yes, a Heisman Trophy winner in Charles Woodson.

"Now, correct me if I'm wrong, this year's all-Big Ten team just came out. Michigan had two players on the first and second team, and one of them was a punter. I rest my case."

Everything is going to be okay, give the guy some time to recruit and apply his system. I don't even want to think about Les Miles right now. RichRod is the head coach for the Michigan Wolverines. If he's still here 4 years from now, he is doing a good job and that's all I want...Hiring a new coach a few years from now will only set Michigan back and I don't want that to happen again :o

[Bleed Blue]

There's no doubt in my mind that in 2 yrs RRod will have us back on track and contending for a BCS bowl game.

If we look at this year there were several games where if 1 or 2 plays changed (or we had a QB that could hit a route) we'd be far better off in the W's vs L's. I won't speculate HOW MUCH but I beleive, Toledo, ND and Northwestern were all games we could have won with a decent QB.

Perhaps that should be viewed more than the coaching job RRod did...I don't find him at fault for this. Our talent level was sub-par at best this season. I beleive that is the only reason for this discussion. In no way do I beleive RRod's coaching should be to blame.

As for Les Miles, they can keep him. He isn't any more of a coach than what we have. RRod in my eyes has done more with less talent than Miles.

[GoBlue21]

There's no doubt in my mind that in 2 yrs RRod will have us back on track and contending for a BCS bowl game.

If we look at this year there were several games where if 1 or 2 plays changed (or we had a QB that could hit a route) we'd be far better off in the W's vs L's. I won't speculate HOW MUCH but I beleive, Toledo, ND and Northwestern were all games we could have won with a decent QB.

Perhaps that should be viewed more than the coaching job RRod did...I don't find him at fault for this. Our talent level was sub-par at best this season. I beleive that is the only reason for this discussion. In no way do I beleive RRod's coaching should be to blame.

As for Les Miles, they can keep him. He isn't any more of a coach than what we have. RRod in my eyes has done more with less talent than Miles.

I agree! Les inherited a VERY TALENTED LSU team and won a NC with a few gutsy 4th down calls and some luck. We will see how good LSU will be in the near future , they went from national champions to 3-5 in the SEC. They SHOULD have lost to Troy but caught a lot of breaks in the second half. Great comeback, but they should NEVER trail Troy 31-3 at any point in any game. I think Russell Shepard MAY be starting next year or at least seeing some serious playing time...Breaking in another QB isn't easy!

Only time will tell but I totally agree with your last statement Bleed Blue!

[tpilews]

I don't think anyone here is really on the Miles bandwagon. But, let's not completely massacre the man. LSU was in a very similar situation, qb wise, that UM was. So, without the right qb, any offense can be sub par.

[GoBlue21]

I don't think anyone here is really on the Miles bandwagon. But, let's not completely massacre the man. LSU was in a very similar situation, qb wise, that UM was. So, without the right qb, any offense can be sub par.

Was it the QB situation OR was it the fact that Miles recruiting was equal to Carr's last few years? I don't know the answers but I'm willing to bet LSU had better skill position players and OL surrounding their QB than Michigan did.

I really don't feel like researching LSU's roster and finding out the experience level of their offense but Michigan HAD to have the most un-experienced offense in the country! 10 new faces, that is hard to beat...

I'm not bashing Les Miles, I sent an email to Bill Martin expressing my feelings about hiring Miles. I wanted him as head coach, but as soon as he went public saying he was staying at LSU, I didn't know who Michigan should go after. When I heard the rumor about getting RichRod, I got excited. I didn't have him on my list because I didn't think he was even an option. Here was my top 5...

1. Les Miles
2. Brian Kelly
3. Jeff Tedford
4. Gary Pinkel
5. Chris Petersen

Apparently Brian Kelly burned too many bridges, so he was never really an option. Then RichRod was announced as the head coach and excitement really set in. Jeff Tedford, Gary Pinkel, and Chris Petersen would have been great hires but they didn't have as much success as RichRod. Obviously RichRod would have been in my top 3 if I would have known he was available.

I'm happy with the hire, I think he will do great things at Michigan. This year was a wake up call for everyone involved, coaches, players, alumni, administration, and fans. Tradition doesn't always bring success, you still have to earn it. The recruiting class is shaping up really nice (assuming everyone signs) and Michigan still has room to add to their #10 class. I wish we could fast forward to September 2009!!!

[rickyleach]

I love michigan, but les who......

[1OSUNUT]

Yeah Les Miles did so good this year. The Buckeyes have had some big game let downs and have lost to some pretty talented teams - but we are consistant winners. While other teams have a bad year here and there while they rebuild the Bucks just keep on winning.

[GoBlue21]

Yeah Les Miles did so good this year. The Buckeyes have had some big game let downs and have lost to some pretty talented teams - but we are consistant winners. While other teams have a bad year here and there while they rebuild the Bucks just keep on winning.

ATTENTION EVERYONE...

tUOS has NEVER had a bad (rebuilding) year in their history according to Mr. Nut(job)!

Hmmm...Let's take a look (I will post from 1987 to save time, I'll mark in BOLD each season with 4 losses or more!)

tUOS
2008 10-2
2007 11-2
2006 12-1
2005 10-2
2004 8-4
2003 11-2
2002 14-0
2001 7-5
2000 8-4
1999 6-6
1998 11-1
1997 10-3
1996 11-1
1995 11-2
1994 9-4
1993 10-1-1
1992 8-3-1
1991 8-4
1990 7-4-1
1989 8-4
1988 4-6-1
1987 6-4-1

Michigan
1987 8-4
1988 9-2-1
1989 10-2
1990 9-3
1991 10-2
1992 9-0-3
1993 8-4
1994 8-4
1995 9-4
1996 8-4
1997 12-0
1998 10-3
1999 10-2
2000 9-3
2001 8-4
2002 10-3
2003 10-3
2004 9-3
2005 7-5
2006 11-2
2007 9-4
2008 3-9

Hmm...tUOS has 10~4 loss seasons or more to Michigan's 9...I guess tUOS NEVER rebuilds and just keeps on winning!!!

Biased statements won't get you anywhere without facts, try it sometime instead of flapping your gums; you might learn a thing or two...

[TNTWolverine]

waiting for another weak counter-argument...

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

he wont respond, he was proved wrong and NEVER responds when that happens (always)...o wait :D know u love those nut.

[1OSUNUT]

I was talking in recent years when compared to LSU. They were National Champs last year and were hammered a few times this year. Where is all the talk about how great Les Miles is this year ? Under Tressel the Buckeyes have become very consistant winners. If RR would be lucky enough to have a run like Tressel you guys would build a statue at the entrance of The Big Hole in his honor.

[GoBlue21]

I was talking in recent years when compared to LSU. They were National Champs last year and were hammered a few times this year. Where is all the talk about how great Les Miles is this year ? Under Tressel the Buckeyes have become very consistant winners. If RR would be lucky enough to have a run like Tressel you guys would build a statue at the entrance of The Big Hole in his honor.

Les Miles took care of your beloved Buckeyes in January on the way to National Championship...

Doesn't it sound familiar that Les Miles took LSU to the National Championship with Saban's recruits and Jim Tressel took tUOS to the National Championship (on a generous call) with John Cooper's recruits?

What has tUOS done since then that is so great? They beat an OVER-RATED Notre Dame team in the Fiesta Bowl. The same Notre Dame team that Michigan DESTROYED @ South Bend the following year 47-21. tUOS has gotten EMBARRASSED on the national stage 3 times in 3 years....Oh, tUOS is beating Michigan just like when Carr OWNED Cooper! Congrats...

The times will change, karma is a b!tch...

[rickyleach]

LSU lost their starting qb be/4 the season and had a few other key injurys ,im sure that didnt help things and as michigan fans we all know what happens to your team when key people are not playing.. 1osunut doesnt ever consider that thats wht he was the first one to cry because beenie was hurt against usc

[tpilews]

I was talking in recent years when compared to LSU. They were National Champs last year and were hammered a few times this year. Where is all the talk about how great Les Miles is this year ? Under Tressel the Buckeyes have become very consistant winners. If RR would be lucky enough to have a run like Tressel you guys would build a statue at the entrance of The Big Hole in his honor.

I sure hope to God we don't suck a*ss in the big games like jimmy "in your mouth" tressel.

[GoDeepHammer]

ATTENTION EVERYONE...

tUOS has NEVER had a bad (rebuilding) year in their history according to Mr. Nut(job)!

Hmmm...Let's take a look (I will post from 1987 to save time, I'll mark in BOLD each season with 4 losses or more!)

tUOS
2008 10-2
2007 11-2
2006 12-1
2005 10-2
2004 8-4
2003 11-2
2002 14-0
2001 7-5
2000 8-4
1999 6-6
1998 11-1
1997 10-3
1996 11-1
1995 11-2
1994 9-4
1993 10-1-1
1992 8-3-1
1991 8-4
1990 7-4-1
1989 8-4
1988 4-6-1
1987 6-4-1

Michigan
1987 8-4
1988 9-2-1
1989 10-2
1990 9-3
1991 10-2
1992 9-0-3
1993 8-4
1994 8-4
1995 9-4
1996 8-4
1997 12-0
1998 10-3
1999 10-2
2000 9-3
2001 8-4
2002 10-3
2003 10-3
2004 9-3
2005 7-5
2006 11-2
2007 9-4
2008 3-9

Hmm...tUOS has 10~4 loss seasons or more to Michigan's 9...I guess tUOS NEVER rebuilds and just keeps on winning!!!

Biased statements won't get you anywhere without facts, try it sometime instead of flapping your gums; you might learn a thing or two...

Awesome research.

[W0lv3r1n3]

How old will Miles be in 2 years? Like 57? That's way to old to be starting over again since most coaches retire in their early 60's.

[1OSUNUT]

LSU lost their starting qb be/4 the season and had a few other key injurys ,im sure that didnt help things and as michigan fans we all know what happens to your team when key people are not playing.. 1osunut doesnt ever consider that thats wht he was the first one to cry because beenie was hurt against usc

For the record I did not even mention Beanie being out against USC. I don't make excuses. If I'm not mistaken it's always Michigan fans putting cause of failure on injuries - not us.

[bluefan]

For the record I did not even mention Beanie being out against USC. I don't make excuses. If I'm not mistaken it's always Michigan fans putting cause of failure on injuries - not us.

Bullsh!t. You blamed the Florida debacle on Ginn's teammate inflicted injury and you blamed the USC fiasco on the fact that Weenie was hurt. You're just claiming this now because there's no way anyone can retrieve your posts from the hacked site. Convenient.

[1OSUNUT]

You have me mixed up with someone else. I said I would of liked to see what the result would be if Beanie and TP played the whole game - and also said I did not think the outcome would of been different. If your going to call me out at least get your story right.

[Todd]

For the record I did not even mention Beanie being out against USC. I don't make excuses.

Ummmm...I think you just did.

I guess that's like me saying...I would never call you a jackass, tool, piece of shlt, good for nothing, ball-sniffing, low-life used car salesman.

Aren't you glad I'd never call you that?

[Motown74]

Les will be back at Michigan as soon as Martin and DIKROD are gone. He did not turn his back on Michigan he was screwed over by Martin.

I am not a fan of DIKROD and I am amused by all of the blind DIK SUKKING by people on here regarding him. The fact is he did not improve this team one bit from the beginning of the season until the end. That my friends is poor coaching. Special teams were a disaster the entire season. I know, I know, Wait until he gets his players in here! He had his players at WVU and was 2-3 in bowl games and played in a Big East that no longer had Virginia Tech, Miami, and Boston College. I am stating the facts here. My opinion is he is the wrong coach for Michigan. Michigan made a mistake in hiring him and they will figure it out sooner or later. I am big enough and man enough to say Michigan screwed up here. It does not mean I don't support the team. I am also man enough to say that if he sticks around and wins a ton of games due to his coaching acumen, that I was wrong. Sometimes people on here act as if you are a disgrace if you don't blindly follow whatever Michigan does. Some of you are like SS officers with that s h i t. It is okay to go against the grain sometimes.

[tpilews]

Sure, it's okay to "go against the grain" and question what a coach or administration has done. But, I think you need to be constructive. Calling the coach of the team you love "DIKROD" pretty much will dismiss any argument you have. What's so hard to call him RR, or Rich? I don't think anyone has every said to follow blindly, but why can't we be excited about the future? A lot of people believe RR will make UM a winner again soon. I'm just surprised that I saw DIKROD in the first sentence from a UM "supporter". After that I was expecting some "Martian's" and "chuck and duck".

You can question what a coach does, as this is what the forum is for, but do it with some class.

[amazinblue]

You can question what a coach does, as this is what the forum is for, but do it with some class.

TPI,

I completely agree. I, for one, welcome a different point of view - even if it's just a "gut feeling" that someone has. There are comments about a variety of things - one comment I've made throughout this season, that others have too, is that we need to stretch the field on offense - since our opposing D's are crowding the box and forcing us to beat them through the air.

Now, I don't know if RR thinks the same thing, or if he believes this perspective is inaccurate - and, unless someone besides Elno (after all, he's awfully tight with Rita) knows for sure, I'd welcome their input.

The challenge we had this year was we had a number of players who were starting because they were our best option, not because they were the type of players who could lead an offense. Our QB's played with a tremendous amount of grit and determination - unfortunately, it doesn't seem that they have the ability to consistently force opposing D's to respect our downfield passing ability.

Nevertheless, as TPILEWS has said - the forum is here for opinions, and different opinions are welcome. If you have problems or concerns with RR or Martin, start a thread and lay out your thoughts and reasons for them. If you have a good argument, you'll be surprised how many people will comment on it. If you're just calling people names, don't be surprised if the replies you receive are as immature as your own.

So, it's up to you - the poster - you can rise above the fray, or fall into the gutter and slither around with vermin. In either case, you'll just be inviting people to join you wherever you are. Personally, I think taking the high road, and showing people respect when communicating with them is the better road to take.

[BBA1994]

Les will be back at Michigan as soon as Martin and DIKROD are gone. He did not turn his back on Michigan he was screwed over by Martin.

I am not a fan of DIKROD and I am amused by all of the blind DIK SUKKING by people on here regarding him. The fact is he did not improve this team one bit from the beginning of the season until the end. That my friends is poor coaching. Special teams were a disaster the entire season. I know, I know, Wait until he gets his players in here! He had his players at WVU and was 2-3 in bowl games and played in a Big East that no longer had Virginia Tech, Miami, and Boston College. I am stating the facts here. My opinion is he is the wrong coach for Michigan. Michigan made a mistake in hiring him and they will figure it out sooner or later. I am big enough and man enough to say Michigan screwed up here. It does not mean I don't support the team. I am also man enough to say that if he sticks around and wins a ton of games due to his coaching acumen, that I was wrong. Sometimes people on here act as if you are a disgrace if you don't blindly follow whatever Michigan does. Some of you are like SS officers with that s h i t. It is okay to go against the grain sometimes.

You're allowed to have your opinion. IMO, you're just a douche.

[amazinblue]

You're allowed to have your opinion. IMO, you're just a douche.

LMAO... well done, BBA.

[The Michigan Man]

Why are people still pining for Les Miles, as if he weren't offered the job and didn't turn it down? Les wanted to stay at LSU. Life goes on.

[Motown74]

Sure, it's okay to "go against the grain" and question what a coach or administration has done. But, I think you need to be constructive. Calling the coach of the team you love "DIKROD" pretty much will dismiss any argument you have. What's so hard to call him RR, or Rich? I don't think anyone has every said to follow blindly, but why can't we be excited about the future? A lot of people believe RR will make UM a winner again soon. I'm just surprised that I saw DIKROD in the first sentence from a UM "supporter". After that I was expecting some "Martian's" and "chuck and duck".

You can question what a coach does, as this is what the forum is for, but do it with some class.

First of all our coach's name is Richard Rodriguez. The last time I checked Dick is a synonmym for Richard. Just like Jim for James and Billy for William. Calling him Dik Rod is no more than that. It is his name and therefore I will call him that. If you have a problem with that I am sorry. Second, my argument stands. No one in the subsequent posts refuted the statistics I provided. He is an average coach who is in over his head. IMO. Enough said. If I am a douche, I guess that "pretty much will dismiss any argument you have" against me right?

[Motown74]

Why are people still pining for Les Miles, as if he weren't offered the job and didn't turn it down? Les wanted to stay at LSU. Life goes on.

He didn't have the job and he didn't turn it down. He was sabotaged and that is a fact. As soon as Martin is gone the wheels will be in motion to bring Les back.

[tpilews]

First of all our coach's name is Richard Rodriguez. The last time I checked Dick is a synonmym for Richard. Just like Jim for James and Billy for William. Calling him Dik Rod is no more than that. It is his name and therefore I will call him that. If you have a problem with that I am sorry. Second, my argument stands. No one in the subsequent posts refuted the statistics I provided. He is an average coach who is in over his head. IMO. Enough said. If I am a douche, I guess that "pretty much will dismiss any argument you have" against me right?

Just Rich, no "ard".

[tpilews]

Aren't his teams 2-0 in BCS Bowls? I understand last year he wasn't the coach during the game, but he was the coach all year long, and that was his team.

[Rockie]

Ok to start this off.... Im not trying to start anything just want to hear some opinions...

My best friend growing up is a senior at LSU.... he is as die hard tiger fan as I am a wolverine. ( i caught a lot of crap when miles stayed at lsu) Supposedly there is a rumor circling Baton rouge, that Miles is an option at michigan when his contract expires in 2 more years. Miles was so dissappointed on how rrod did this year that he wants to come to AA.

rumor or not

would you take him or not? given UM has 2 mediocre years
Les Miles is not coming to Michigan, Michigan will not be looking for another coach for about 15 to 20 years

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

ok, so if we go 7-5 or 6-6 next year and 8-4 the year after that... then what?
will you idiots keep trying to get rodriguez fired?

think about it; we lost 11 games in the last 3 years of Lloyd, and were 11-7 out of conference. i'm sure you can guess who some of those 11 wins were against... EMU, Fake Miami, etc... do you know what that is to me? mediocrity. we consisntently lost to OOC power programs such as Oregon, USC, and Notre Dame. you can't argue that there was need for a fresh face to michigan football that could help us COMPETE with some of these programs.

sometimes change is hard, but bitching about wanting Rodriguez fired is NOT GOING TO HELP THE TEAM at all. so keep your sad, bandwagon, opinions to yourself and show some loyalty and patience.

i sound like a broken record trying to convince you people to at least give rodriguez a chance, but your all the same... going on and on about how bad Rodriguez is, calling him dick rod cos you're so clever, etc... Lloyd was no fucking treasure. U-M has what, the 3rd most players in the NFL? shouldn't we have finished in the top 3 at least ONCE since fucking 1997? oh, and how many FCS teams did we lose to this season? seriously how are you going to compete for a NC when you can't even beat a team from a lower division???

Rodriguez was by far the BEST AVAILABLE hire. end of conversation.

[LAMfan]

ok, so if we go 7-5 or 6-6 next year and 8-4 the year after that... then what?

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I see this as the likely path. 7-5 next year is success, 8-4 to follow is not unreasonable given where we are today. But will this be enough for a large base of M fans, not just those with a penchant for ripping rants? If year three has 4 losses, these losses would likely be against the teams we measure ourselves against, tOSU, PSU, ND and another team having a strong year (MSU/Wisc/Ill).

Will this be seen as success? Will the growth in the program be the focus, or will it be just the bottom line? I am not sure that the path you describe Stevie will silence critics, or make them louder and larger in number. Add a few big wins, especially in Cbus, and then it will be OK.