Tickets to Navy or USC

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

My wife is a hugh tosu fan I was wondering if anyone had tickets for sale to either one of these games for sale.

[Mich97c]

My wife is a hugh tosu fan I was wondering if anyone had tickets for sale to either one of these games for sale.

If she's a huge fan you sure you want to take her to games they're going lose?

[1OSUNUT]

I had two tickets available for the USC game - but I turned them down. The guy wanted $300 per. They were good seats 25/30 yard line area. I can check to see if he still has them. The best deal right now is the Toledo game in Cleveland. You can land seats for $70.00 or so. If we beat the Trojans the place will be a mad house - if we lose it will still be fun, just not as much.

[BBA1994]

I had two tickets available for the USC game - but I turned them down. The guy wanted $300 per. They were good seats 25/30 yard line area. I can check to see if he still has them. The best deal right now is the Toledo game in Cleveland. You can land seats for $70.00 or so. If we beat the Trojans the place will be a mad house - if we lose it will still be fun, just not as much.

Will it be more fun than the oral testicular exam you give tressy every day?

[1OSUNUT]

At least we will beat Toledo - say what ?

[gator]

I had two tickets available for the USC game - but I turned them down. The guy wanted $300 per. They were good seats 25/30 yard line area. I can check to see if he still has them. The best deal right now is the Toledo game in Cleveland. You can land seats for $70.00 or so. If we beat the Trojans the place will be a mad house - if we lose it will still be fun, just not as much.

OSUNUT, I'm just curious. What kind of odds are you giving your Buckeyes in that USC game. I'm thinking 80/20 - USC's favor. Don't take offense, I'm just looking at your last three big games (FL, LSU, USC) that have all been blowouts and the departure of some big names - Wells, Robiski(sp?), Lauranitis(sp?), Jenkins. Most teams can't lose that kind of talent and get better. My reasoning applies to other teams like UGA this year. How do you lose Stafford and Moreno and get better? Of course, UGA fans think they will. To be fair, I almost fear what the future holds for my Gators in 2010. I do think Tebow's replacement (Brantley) will be good (or even great), and all the backups that come back on defense this year will starters next year. Hence, we will probably be a top 15 (or even top 10) team, but I don't fool myself into dreaming about a three-peat. Heck, even with all the talent back this year, I worry about making it to the NC game again.

Maybe that's the difference between the SEC and Big10. I know every week brings an opponent that is capable of bringing us down (with the exception of Kentucky, since we own them). Even MSU is a risky proposition. We haven't won there since '85. Even Vandy regularly puts a scare into UF. Although the nation usually views them as a pushover, they almost (should have) beat us at home a few years back and they gave the '96 NC team (maybe our best NC team) a run for their money. Every team in the league has a defense that can keep them in a ball game.

[1OSUNUT]

I think that Ohio State will be much faster and athletic on both sides of the ball. Plus I like the fact that USC is young in many areas as well. They have a young offensive line and the strength of our team is the defensive line. The Trojans might be starting a true freshman at QB - I like that on the road at night. The match up I really like though is going to be TP against the 4 new linebackers that USC will have. I expect TP to be much more of a force this year with his legs and his arm. He is the wildcard. The QB position is the most important one in college football and TP has to be a difference maker - I think he will be. Buckeyes pull out all the stops and win a close one at home.

[The Michigan Man]

I think that Ohio State will be much faster and athletic on both sides of the ball. Plus I like the fact that USC is young in many areas as well. They have a young offensive line and the strength of our team is the defensive line. The Trojans might be starting a true freshman at QB - I like that on the road at night. The match up I really like though is going to be TP against the 4 new linebackers that USC will have. I expect TP to be much more of a force this year with his legs and his arm. He is the wildcard. The QB position is the most important one in college football and TP has to be a difference maker - I think he will be. Buckeyes pull out all the stops and win a close one at home.

I love the ridiculousness of the "Buckeyes pull out all the stops" - what stops are there that would generally not be pulled out, but since it is USC, will be pulled out? Will the USC decide that they will not pull out their own stops, but will indeed leave the stops in?

Carroll > JT. He is a superior game day coach, and he is able to make adjustments. JT will just ride his gameplan out for the entire game, regardless if it is working or not.

I wouldn't find much hope in the fact that USC is starting a true freshman - I'll take a true freshman with an arm over a true sophomore with a chicken wing any day.

The only hope tUOS had was that some type of weather situation would happen, but it will be a nice warm day in Columbus in September when USC rolls in and tunes you up in convincing fashion, for the 2nd year in a row.

[Silver Bullet]

I love the ridiculousness of the "Buckeyes pull out all the stops" - what stops are there that would generally not be pulled out, but since it is USC, will be pulled out? Will the USC decide that they will not pull out their own stops, but will indeed leave the stops in?

Carroll > JT. He is a superior game day coach, and he is able to make adjustments. JT will just ride his gameplan out for the entire game, regardless if it is working or not.

I wouldn't find much hope in the fact that USC is starting a true freshman - I'll take a true freshman with an arm over a true sophomore with a chicken wing any day.

The only hope tUOS had was that some type of weather situation would happen, but it will be a nice warm day in Columbus in September when USC rolls in and tunes you up in convincing fashion, for the 2nd year in a row.

Carroll is not a superior game coach. He wins because he has 10x's more talent than any team he faces on the field. If he was such a genius he wouldn't have been such a failure in the NFL. The NFL is a level playing field and Carroll demonstrated that he needs better players to win. Even still he manages to lose to teams that he has no business losing to.

The USC game is lining up completely in OSU's favor. Before I gave OSU 50/50 odds but with the injuries to USC's presumed starting QB and their best offensive lineman, I think OSU is up to 70/30. OSU is going to be better defensively this year and they have the potential to be a great offensive team.

I feel obligated to remind the Um contingent on here about how optimistic about your team's chances last year...I believe "Shock the World" was thrown around a few times. If you guys were able to get excited about that abortion of a team, then you guys shouldn't get up in arms about the optimism on the OSU side. Especially since OSU demonstrated that they were able to win last year.

[Don Unverferth]

Amen Brother!

A common mistake is made of assuming that the outcome of one game inevitably indicates that of the next. That's simply wrong. First, as I've mentioned before, Beanie didn't play in the last game- and doubtless it would have been a closer game with him in it (please don't try to argue it wouldn't have been; you'll only embarrass yourself).

Second, these are two very different teams now. Many USC fans will inevitably proclaim "we just reload," but that has yet to be seen on the field for this year - it's been disproven in the past (unless you consider an inability to beat Stanford, UCLA, etc etc as "reloading").

Above and beyond these points, remember that teams can be blown out in one game - and the loser can turn around and simply annihilate the winner the following season (if not earlier). A classic example is Kansas City trouncing Minnesota 23-7 in Super Bowl IV... followed by the Vikings blowing the Chiefs into the stratosphere, 44-24, in the opening game of the following season.

[Mich97c]

Carroll is not a superior game coach. He wins because he has 10x's more talent than any team he faces on the field. If he was such a genius he wouldn't have been such a failure in the NFL. The NFL is a level playing field and Carroll demonstrated that he needs better players to win. Even still he manages to lose to teams that he has no business losing to.

The USC game is lining up completely in OSU's favor. Before I gave OSU 50/50 odds but with the injuries to USC's presumed starting QB and their best offensive lineman, I think OSU is up to 70/30. OSU is going to be better defensively this year and they have the potential to be a great offensive team.

I feel obligated to remind the Um contingent on here about how optimistic about your team's chances last year...I believe "Shock the World" was thrown around a few times. If you guys were able to get excited about that abortion of a team, then you guys shouldn't get up in arms about the optimism on the OSU side. Especially since OSU demonstrated that they were able to win last year.

Win what? You lost every big game you were in last year. Sure, we sucked last year - but we're not on your boards pounding our chests about how great we are. Yet you come here to try and rub it in - Your "obligated to remind us?". Go fuck yourself.

If Penn State can come in to that dump of a stadium and win, then there is no reason USC won't roll over you guys. They're returning 10 starters and offense and their defense is loaded with 5 star talent. I think they'll have something like 11 5 star athletes on the field to your 2. This is going to be ugly.

[Mich97c]

Amen Brother!

A common mistake is made of assuming that the outcome of one game inevitably indicates that of the next. That's simply wrong. .

Another common mistake is to think that a team that constantly loses on the big stage is going to be any different this year. Look at the talent gap, look at the results of the two teams over the years in the big games, look at the one on one match ups, look at the schemes, whatever - everything points to a USC blow out.

[blueisbetterthanred]

70/30 in tuos's favor over USC?....??!? Really??!!

LMFAO.

And Michigan fans are accused of wearing rose colored glasses...

HAHAHahahAHAHahAHahAHAHa

Thanks for the laugh.

[Silver Bullet]

Win what? You lost every big game you were in last year. Sure, we sucked last year - but we're not on your boards pounding our chests about how great we are. Yet you come here to try and rub it in - Your "obligated to remind us?". Go fuck yourself.

If Penn State can come in to that dump of a stadium and win, then there is no reason USC won't roll over you guys. They're returning 10 starters and offense and their defense is loaded with 5 star talent. I think they'll have something like 11 5 star athletes on the field to your 2. This is going to be ugly.

So if Toledo can come into that hole-in-the-ground and beat Um, then you obviously have no shot winning any home game this year correct? Or does this not work both ways? Oh my God...I didn't realize the disparity of recruiting stars that OSU is going to be facing! They are screwed!

[Silver Bullet]

70/30 in tuos's favor over USC?....??!? Really??!!

LMFAO.

And Michigan fans are accused of wearing rose colored glasses...

HAHAHahahAHAHahAHahAHAHa

Thanks for the laugh.

Hopefully it's equal to the laugh that I received last year when you morons were on here last year talking about winning a share of the B10 championship. I understand your strategy though Um fans. You know that you are going to blow this year so you figure that you might as well hedge your bet and predict OSU is going lose as well. You already know that your season is a lost cause so you're going to root for OSU to falter as well. I think you're going to be surprised. By surprised, I mean at how good OSU is going to be. Um is going to suck. No surprise there.

[The Michigan Man]

Carroll is not a superior game coach. He wins because he has 10x's more talent than any team he faces on the field. If he was such a genius he wouldn't have been such a failure in the NFL. The NFL is a level playing field and Carroll demonstrated that he needs better players to win. Even still he manages to lose to teams that he has no business losing to.

The USC game is lining up completely in OSU's favor. Before I gave OSU 50/50 odds but with the injuries to USC's presumed starting QB and their best offensive lineman, I think OSU is up to 70/30. OSU is going to be better defensively this year and they have the potential to be a great offensive team.



Carroll is a superior game day coach. His record against elite teams is proof of that. His lack of success in the NFL is immaterial to this discussion, we are talking about college football, don't get distracted. The fact that he loses a game each year against an inferior opponent does not negate his big game record - tUOS is a big game, and USC will be prepared. You'd probably have a better chance if you were Stanford or Navy, where you could hope that Carroll would look past you. He will not be looking past tUOS.

This matchup is about more than just a singular game of tUOS vs. USC. It is about how JT has performed in big games at tUOS. Losses to Texas, LSU, Florida, etc., show that while JT can plow through the Big 10 season virtually unscathed, he has big time problems with out of conference top 10 teams.

IF you remember, Sanchez also was injured in August of last year. That didn't stop his team from hanging 35 pts on a veteran, senior laden tUOS defense. And sure, Beanie would have made it closer, but not enough to negate a 32 pt loss margin. Beanie was also on the field against Texas and LSU, and couldn't prevent an ass kicking in those games, right?

[Silver Bullet]

Carroll is a superior game day coach. His record against elite teams is proof of that. His lack of success in the NFL is immaterial to this discussion, we are talking about college football, don't get distracted. The fact that he loses a game each year against an inferior opponent does not negate his big game record - tUOS is a big game, and USC will be prepared. You'd probably have a better chance if you were Stanford or Navy, where you could hope that Carroll would look past you. He will not be looking past tUOS.

This matchup is about more than just a singular game of tUOS vs. USC. It is about how JT has performed in big games at tUOS. Losses to Texas, LSU, Florida, etc., show that while JT can plow through the Big 10 season virtually unscathed, he has big time problems with out of conference top 10 teams.

IF you remember, Sanchez also was injured in August of last year. That didn't stop his team from hanging 35 pts on a veteran, senior laden tUOS defense. And sure, Beanie would have made it closer, but not enough to negate a 32 pt loss margin. Beanie was also on the field against Texas and LSU, and couldn't prevent an ass kicking in those games, right?

Senior-ladden doesn't matter when the seniors in question are not very good. The talent that USC lost since last year is far greater than what OSU lost. You're kidding yourself if you think Carroll is anything more than a recruiter and figurehead for USC. I don't believe going back to bowl games 3 years ago has any more relevance to OSU's success this year than does Carroll's past NFL struggles go to his coaching ability. Is Sanchez playing this year? Is Beanie? New year, new players and this year I like the matchups.

[BBA1994]

New year, new players.....

Same ass whooping USC will give tuos.

[NCBLUE]

Agree that Carroll is a much better game day coach. Tressel is a very good coach but not elite. He has failed to get his team ready for big games the past 3-4 seasons. His teams have quite on him in the 2nd half and he has failed to make any in game adjustments.

This game will say a lot about whether oSU will ever be able to take the next step under Tressel to reach the elite status. oSU should have a great chance to win. USC is starting a rookie qb, early in the season and on road if they cannot take advatage of that then they probably never will be able to.

Tressel took Michigan and the Big Ten by storm early on but he has failed to continue to progress and performa on the biggest stages.

If oSU fans were not so annoying I would pull for them as I have grown tired of all the Big Ten sucks and is weak comments but that pails to how bad oSU fans run their mouth.

This game will say a lot about oSU under Tressel and if they will have chance at another National title, if they kept losing these games in the manenr that that have been teh voters will start by passing them.

[Silver Bullet]

Agree that Carroll is a much better game day coach. Tressel is a very good coach but not elite. He has failed to get his team ready for big games the past 3-4 seasons. His teams have quite on him in the 2nd half and he has failed to make any in game adjustments.

This game will say a lot about whether oSU will ever be able to take the next step under Tressel to reach the elite status. oSU should have a great chance to win. USC is starting a rookie qb, early in the season and on road if they cannot take advatage of that then they probably never will be able to.

Tressel took Michigan and the Big Ten by storm early on but he has failed to continue to progress and performa on the biggest stages.

If oSU fans were not so annoying I would pull for them as I have grown tired of all the Big Ten sucks and is weak comments but that pails to how bad oSU fans run their mouth.

This game will say a lot about oSU under Tressel and if they will have chance at another National title, if they kept losing these games in the manenr that that have been teh voters will start by passing them.

Let's not kid ourselves here. Um has a hand in all the Big 10 sucks comments as well. I think Um not losing to schools from bottom-tier conferences and missing bowl games doesn't bode well for the Big 10 either. But that could just be my rose-colored glasses talking.

[NCBLUE]

Yes I would say the biggest reasons we hear the Big ten sucks comments are:
- oSU struggles in every big game
- the decline of Michigan last year
- the failure of another Big Ten team (Iowa, Wisc) or someone to step up
- the Big Ten putting too many teams in bowl games and getting unfavorable matchups (ie our #4 team again another conferences #2 team) we were underdogs in all the bowls games last year so what did everyone expect to happen.

However before Michigan went into the tank last year oSU was struggling on the biggest stage (past 3-4 seasons). With the biggest games come the most scrutiny.

Fair or not oSU performance at home vs USC will not only reflect on their image but the entire conferences as well. Michigan is probably 1-2 years away from helping that so the burden will fall on oSU & PSU (but mostly oSU).

Look Michigan has not looked great on the biggest stage (before last year) but thier record was not nearly as bad as oSU 's was against the SEC in big games. Under Tressel they started off strong but have struggled as of late.

[Mich97c]

Senior-ladden doesn't matter when the seniors in question are not very good.

Those seniors were good enough to beat out your new starters. I have no idea what match ups you're looking at that gives you any confidence.

[Mich97c]

I understand your strategy though Um fans. You know that you are going to blow this year so you figure that you might as well hedge your bet and predict OSU is going lose as well.

So what's your strategy? Can't talk trash to the elite teams so come here and kick us while we're down? You're quite a man.

[Silver Bullet]

So what's your strategy? Can't talk trash to the elite teams so come here and kick us while we're down? You're quite a man.

I was here before Um went totally in the shitter.

[Silver Bullet]

Those seniors were good enough to beat out your new starters. I have no idea what match ups you're looking at that gives you any confidence.

Many of those seniors were locker room distractions and had no heart and weren't very good leaders. Seniors don't get beat out by underclassman under Tressel unless the senior is really horrible and has a much heralded true freshman waiting in the wings. I remember when OSU last lost to Um and Krenzel was playing like garbage and got his bell wrung. Tressel put in McMullen and who played well and was bringing OSU back. However, as soon as Krenzel was cleared he was put back in and went out and stunk it up. It was a horrible call and it has been typical of Tressel during his tenure.

[The Michigan Man]

Senior-ladden doesn't matter when the seniors in question are not very good. The talent that USC lost since last year is far greater than what OSU lost. You're kidding yourself if you think Carroll is anything more than a recruiter and figurehead for USC. I don't believe going back to bowl games 3 years ago has any more relevance to OSU's success this year than does Carroll's past NFL struggles go to his coaching ability. Is Sanchez playing this year? Is Beanie? New year, new players and this year I like the matchups.

I'm not going to invest the time to do it, but I suspect that last August you and tUOSNUT were on this website singing the praises of those seniors in question that weren't very good.

If Carroll is just a figurehead and a recruiter, how do you explain that the USC program was mired in medicority for the 25 years prior to his arrival? Was USC's assent into elite status just a coincidence? Give me a break..

[Silver Bullet]

I'm not going to invest the time to do it, but I suspect that last August you and tUOSNUT were on this website singing the praises of those seniors in question that weren't very good.

If Carroll is just a figurehead and a recruiter, how do you explain that the USC program was mired in medicority for the 25 years prior to his arrival? Was USC's assent into elite status just a coincidence? Give me a break..

I think he's a fantastic recruiter. They aren't losing anybody instate and are able to get top recruits from all over the country. In addition he's able to hire the best and brightest coordinators to design the gameplans. He's the perfect college coach in the perfect situation. Don't mistake all of this for being some sort of schematic genius though. Dismiss it if you want, but his inability to scheme his way out of a paper bag in the pros very telling as to his abilities.

[BBA1994]

I think he's a fantastic recruiter. They aren't losing anybody instate and are able to get top recruits from all over the country. In addition he's able to hire the best and brightest coordinators to design the gameplans. He's the perfect college coach in the perfect situation. Don't mistake all of this for being some sort of schematic genius though. Dismiss it if you want, but his inability to scheme his way out of a paper bag in the pros very telling as to his abilities.

You've got to be the biggest frickin' dillweed on this board and that says a lot. Look at the tuos/USC game last year and compare the first half to the second half of USC defensively. Pryor had a bunch of gains running the ball and Petey said during his halftime interview that they would make some schematic changes and shut Pryor's running down....which they did. You're a complet fukstik SB.

[The Michigan Man]

I think he's a fantastic recruiter. They aren't losing anybody instate and are able to get top recruits from all over the country. In addition he's able to hire the best and brightest coordinators to design the gameplans. He's the perfect college coach in the perfect situation. Don't mistake all of this for being some sort of schematic genius though. Dismiss it if you want, but his inability to scheme his way out of a paper bag in the pros very telling as to his abilities.

How did Carroll become such an amazing recruiter, ie, why are very talented kids choosing USC over a vast amount of alternative programs, given his failings at the pro level?

How does he attract talented coordinators, who could play anywhere?

How come the USC situation didn't become "perfect" until he arrived, what happened there that caused the previous 6-7 coaches across the past 25 years to be average at best, and flat out bad for several seasons?

Carroll built this program himself. He took over a 5-7 USC program that was in disarray, won 2 NCs, 7 conference titles, and 7 bowl games. Are you tellng me this all fell into his lap, and if so, how? Why did it all change when he arrived? Your only attempt at an explanation was "he is a great recruiter". But you attract recruits on the strength of the program and the ability to deliver success - a guy who was merely an NFL washout doesn't have anything to offer these blue chips.

Carroll is a great, elite coach - dwelling on a failure in the NFL is silliness, it is so different that it is nearly a different sport altogether. Other top coaches have crashed and burned, like Spurrier, Saban, Davis, etc., at he pro level, but are still very successful college coaches - it is apples and oranges.

[Wolvrin704]

I think he's a fantastic recruiter. They aren't losing anybody instate and are able to get top recruits from all over the country. In addition he's able to hire the best and brightest coordinators to design the gameplans. He's the perfect college coach in the perfect situation. Don't mistake all of this for being some sort of schematic genius though. Dismiss it if you want, but his inability to scheme his way out of a paper bag in the pros very telling as to his abilities.

And since his failure in the NFL how has his former team, the Jets, done?

He got fired after 1 season for winning 6 games. His successor was given 2 years and won a total of 4 games.
Since Carroll got fired the Jets have had 7 head coaches. This is a franchise that has always had trouble maintaining success.

If Carroll gets no credit for his success then why does JT get all the credit for the Buckeyes D? Why does any HC get any credit for his teams success? Why do college admins spend rediculous money on HC's when they could save money by hiring a guy who can recruit and hire great coordinators?

[rickyleach]

silverpuss you must be high boy , only a ignorant ohio state fan would say what you just posted , you pea brain football fans in c/bus never learn , you have nothing to back anything you just posted, you say your d is better then last season , your offense is better ,and usc has many players they replaced , your correct . those are the same young players who held your hero pryor to 20 plus yards in the second half , usc played the 2nd and third string in the 2nd half of that game, if i were you because the game is a late game , you might think about getting a bottle of jim beam and drown your sorrows cause your gonna get takin to the woodshed again son, and im going to laugh my asss off at you and every other sorry asss buckeye who posts on here.. you guys are unreal ,ha ha ha ha ...

[Silver Bullet]

Wow, I didn't realize how many Carroll groupies there were on this board. Slurp, slurp, slurp fellas. Call me what you want, but you aren't going to convice me that Carroll is anything more than a fabulous recruiter at one of the most inviting colleges in the country. As for the games itself......we shall see. I do enjoy the fact that you guys are talking more shit about the USC game then the Um game. Why could that be? Hmmm....because maybe you know that Um doesn't have a prayer in beating OSU in November maybe? That's fine though. We can get to all that once OSU dispatches the Trojans.

[Mich97c]

I do enjoy the fact that you guys are talking more shit about the USC game then the Um game. Why could that be?

Because that was the topic we were discussing and this game is less than a month out. God damn you're dumb.

[Mich97c]

We can get to all that once OSU dispatches the Trojans.

cocaine is a hell of a drug.

[Silver Bullet]

Because that was the topic we were discussing and this game is less than a month out. God damn you're dumb.

No, it's because an OSU loss to USC would be the highlight of a Um fan's season since Um has no shot of beating OSU or any decent team this year. There's been more discussion on this board about the OSU/USC game than Um's first game against Western/Northern Mich (whichever it is).

[Wolvrin704]

Wow, I didn't realize how many Carroll groupies there were on this board. Slurp, slurp, slurp fellas. Call me what you want, but you aren't going to convice me that Carroll is anything more than a fabulous recruiter at one of the most inviting colleges in the country. As for the games itself......we shall see. I do enjoy the fact that you guys are talking more shit about the USC game then the Um game. Why could that be? Hmmm....because maybe you know that Um doesn't have a prayer in beating OSU in November maybe? That's fine though. We can get to all that once OSU dispatches the Trojans.

I'm beating my brain trying to remember why it is I thought you were one of the all right Buckeye fans. Now I realize that no I was wrong, you were on the troll list.

I replied because your opinions on this subject are about as bright as a dull doorknob. How it is that you can sit there and say Carroll is merely a good recruiter is ludicrous at best. There are certainly better X's and O's guys out there but not many are in the game today.

Again I ask why do you take credit away from Carroll but not Tressell? What makes Jimmy-boy a better coach? He's merely a great recruiter and hires good coordinators as well. He is no offensive or defensive guru either.

At this point UM has a 50% chance of winning the game against OSU. Thats why they play the game after all because you don't do it on paper.

[Silver Bullet]

I'm beating my brain trying to remember why it is I thought you were one of the all right Buckeye fans. Now I realize that no I was wrong, you were on the troll list.

I replied because your opinions on this subject are about as bright as a dull doorknob. How it is that you can sit there and say Carroll is merely a good recruiter is ludicrous at best. There are certainly better X's and O's guys out there but not many are in the game today.

Again I ask why do you take credit away from Carroll but not Tressell? What makes Jimmy-boy a better coach? He's merely a great recruiter and hires good coordinators as well. He is no offensive or defensive guru either.

At this point UM has a 50% chance of winning the game against OSU. Thats why they play the game after all because you don't do it on paper.

I'm on the record as questioning Tressel's playcalling abilities. The difference here is that Tressel designs and calls the plays for his team...Carroll doesn't. So to say he (Carroll) is some offensive genius when he doesn't really have a hand in it confuses me. Tressel deserves the criticism, but Carroll doesn't deserve so much credit.

It doesn't hurt my feelings that I made your Troll list by the way. If having a differing point of view makes you a troll around here then so be it. I think I'll live without your support.

[NCBLUE]

Tresell is a below average play caller. His offenses have very little creativity to them and he makes very few in game adjustments. This and not having his team ready mentally for big games is what keeps him from being an elite coach. I have wathced a fair amount of oSU games and I can only think of a handful of times when I said wow nice call or was suprised by what he did.

Carroll gets the credit because he is the head coach and the buck stops there. Plus Carroll's defensive play calling and schemes are first rate and I am not a USC fan.

The game is being talked about because it is a big match-up that involves a Big Ten team/rival. As I have said it is important to oSU and teh Big Ten that oSU represents well since Michigan may be a season or two away. Fair or not that is where it is.

[Silver Bullet]

Tresell is a below average play caller. His offenses have very little creativity to them and he makes very few in game adjustments. This and not having his team ready mentally for big games is what keeps him from being an elite coach. I have wathced a fair amount of oSU games and I can only think of a handful of times when I said wow nice call or was suprised by what he did.

Carroll gets the credit because he is the head coach and the buck stops there. Plus Carroll's defensive play calling and schemes are first rate and I am not a USC fan.

Being a bad schemer doesn't make Tressel an all-around bad coach though. One thing you touched on there is that Tressel doesn't win the big game. This isn't true throughout his career: Texas, Kansas State (Fiesta), Miami (Fiesta/Championship), Notre Dame (Fiesta), multiple Um games. The thing that seperates Tressel from a lot of coaches is that he doesn't lose the games he shouldn't. I'm talking about the games to that OSU has no business in losing. He doesn't let the team lose those. That's a big deal. How different would Um's perception be if they hadn't lost to App St. or Toledo? How about USC and Stanford?

I am entirely happy with his record there. The big games will come back around. Keeping teams focused on the the little games is an admirable trait.

[NCBLUE]

As I have said on other posts. Tressel is very good coach. He started off strong but has faded in the big games the last 3-4 years (Texas, USC, Florida, LSU). His teams were not mentally ready for Florida & USC. His team quit in the 2nd half and backed up. Against Miami in 02 his team was ready. They faced a superior team and smacked them in the mouth. Against USC they flat out quit in the 2nd half.

oSU's issue have come in the last 3-4 years and has a lot to do with the Big Ten is weak perception.

As long as he has a winning record against Mich and wins a share of Big Ten titles he will be safe. I always wondered if oSU fans would be okay or ever get restless and want more.

[Silver Bullet]

As I have said on other posts. Tressel is very good coach. He started off strong but has faded in the big games the last 3-4 years (Texas, USC, Florida, LSU). His teams were not mentally ready for Florida & USC. His team quit in the 2nd half and backed up. Against Miami in 02 his team was ready. They faced a superior team and smacked them in the mouth. Against USC they flat out quit in the 2nd half.

oSU's issue have come in the last 3-4 years and has a lot to do with the Big Ten is weak perception.

As long as he has a winning record against Mich and wins a share of Big Ten titles he will be safe. I always wondered if oSU fans would be okay or ever get restless and want more.

Tressel is golden as long as he wants to stay at OSU. His record against Um alone has guaranteed that. He can thank Cooper for that. Fans know that OSU will never compete nationally unless they can beat Um. Obviously that is one thing Tressel seems to have a handle on.

His biggest criticism now is his assistant coaches. Many (and I am one) want his offensive and defensive coordinators gone. The O-line has been horrible and the defensive schemes seem stale, especially with the talent OSU has stockpiled on both units. There are going to be shakeups after this year unless OSU challenges for a championship. Again, Tressel's loyalty is shafting the program here. Bollman and Heacock aren't major program coaches. Tressel needs another offensive mind to help scheme with and ideally to call the plays (like Carroll does). I don't think Tressel's staff can survive another disappointing season intact.

[BBA1994]

Tressel is golden as long as he wants to stay at OSU. His record against Um alone has guaranteed that. He can thank Cooper for that. Fans know that OSU will never compete nationally unless they can beat Um. Obviously that is one thing Tressel seems to have a handle on.

His biggest criticism now is his assistant coaches. Many (and I am one) want his offensive and defensive coordinators gone. The O-line has been horrible and the defensive schemes seem stale, especially with the talent OSU has stockpiled on both units. There are going to be shakeups after this year unless OSU challenges for a championship. Again, Tressel's loyalty is shafting the program here. Bollman and Heacock aren't major program coaches. Tressel needs another offensive mind to help scheme with and ideally to call the plays (like Carroll does). I don't think Tressel's staff can survive another disappointing season intact.


I totally agree with your assessment here. Just reminds me of the first 7 or so years under Carr. I would venture that if tressy loses 4 in a row to UM he'd be gone.

[NCBLUE]

Beating your main rival and winning conference titles should keep any coach safe. Unfortunately greedy fans and alumni sometime do not see it that way.

I have wondered what has changed for him from the first 3-4 seasons to the last 3-4 seasons. I was impressed with how well coached his teams were early on and how they had the internal fortitude to stand up on the big stage against teams that were as talented or more than his.

I agree about the line play. The o-line has been exposed by USC, LSU & Florida. Especially their DE.

Fair or not oSU and PSU are carrying mantle for the Big Ten until RR can hopefully have Michigan back at or near the top again.

I also agree the oSU under Tressel has done a pretty good job taking care of the games they should win (the little games as you put it). Michigan was a little of the opposite thay tend to have at least been competive or win the bigger games but some how lose the little ones. (last season aside)

[rickyleach]

silverpuss, so you like it when michigan fans talk about ohio state , i love talkin about them and whats even better is seeing them get their asssess handed to them by just about every quality top knotch program over the last 4 years , nothing is better then sitting over my tressel and then flushing....

[BBA1994]

You rock ricky. ....sitting over my tressel and then flushing...... that's pure poetry.

[Silver Bullet]

You rock ricky. ....sitting over my tressel and then flushing...... that's pure poetry.

That was totally awesome. Do you two take GED classes together or just long walks on the beach?

[BBA1994]

Don't be so defensive SB, that was frickin' funny. In case you didn't get it, sitting on the tressel was referring to sitting on a toilet. Now get back in your rig and find a place to park it away from the trailer park.

[Silver Bullet]

Don't be so defensive SB, that was frickin' funny. In case you didn't get it, sitting on the tressel was referring to sitting on a toilet. Now get back in your rig and find a place to park it away from the trailer park.

In case I didn't get it? You think that the toilet joke was so advanced that it needed explaining? Wow. I'm not defensive, I'm actually just a little sad for you and your parents.

[Mike Furley]

Agree that Carroll is a much better game day coach. Tressel is a very good coach but not elite. He has failed to get his team ready for big games the past 3-4 seasons. His teams have quite on him in the 2nd half and he has failed to make any in game adjustments.

This game will say a lot about whether oSU will ever be able to take the next step under Tressel to reach the elite status. oSU should have a great chance to win. USC is starting a rookie qb, early in the season and on road if they cannot take advatage of that then they probably never will be able to.

Tressel took Michigan and the Big Ten by storm early on but he has failed to continue to progress and performa on the biggest stages.

If oSU fans were not so annoying I would pull for them as I have grown tired of all the Big Ten sucks and is weak comments but that pails to how bad oSU fans run their mouth.

This game will say a lot about oSU under Tressel and if they will have chance at another National title, if they kept losing these games in the manenr that that have been teh voters will start by passing them.


I'm late joining in this thread but I wanted to add my two cents about Tressel.

OSU has what I consider a three tiered schedule. The elite team(s); Michigan; and the rest of the schedule. Tressel rarely if ever loses to the rest of the schedule and you know how he has fared against Michigan. That leaves the elite team(s) - where I would say he is about .500 although we've lost our last four. I think that kind of track record indicates Jim Tressel is an elite game day coach.

By elite, I mean there just aren't that many out there that have that kind of track record. I'm not sure you can say there are even ten guys out there right now coaching out of 100 plus schools in D1 who would fit that description. Is he the best of the elite? Probably not, but he's somewhere in the 4 to 7 range.

In terms of game day coaching, which is evaluated by wins & losses, I think it reflects a head coach's initial game planning, in-game adjustments, personnel decisions, clock management, and risk analysis. Tressel is elite at these components. The best? I wouldn't argue for that. But again, he's among the top seven or eight.

Is he advantaged by coaching at Ohio State? Yes, but no more so than Carrol, Myer, Brown, and Stoops are at their respective schools.

What else makes a good coach elite? I would think recruiting ability, X's & O's strategizing, sending players to the NFL, and to a lesser extent, keeping a program in good repute with academics and citizenship.

Tressel routinely has solid recruiting classes and has landed a number of "big fish" recruits. I would argue his recruiting has been on an elite level in that regard.

As far as X's & O's go, Tressel is certainly not exciting or flashy, but he has put forward his own unique style of playcalling "Tressel Ball". In other years, as the talent has improved, he has modified his offense to suit the skills of the players. I think that is a sign of an elite coach.

OSU routinely sends a lot of kids to the NFL, and many in the first round. Again, compared to the rest of the D1 schools, we are doing it at an elite rate.

The last component, the academics and citizenship part, I would not argue that Tressel is elite. The facts simply don't support a claim to the contrary.

[Silver Bullet]

I'm late joining in this thread but I wanted to add my two cents about Tressel.

OSU has what I consider a three tiered schedule. The elite team(s); Michigan; and the rest of the schedule. Tressel rarely if ever loses to the rest of the schedule and you know how he has fared against Michigan. That leaves the elite team(s) - where I would say he is about .500 although we've lost our last four. I think that kind of track record indicates Jim Tressel is an elite game day coach.

By elite, I mean there just aren't that many out there that have that kind of track record. I'm not sure you can say there are even ten guys out there right now coaching out of 100 plus schools in D1 who would fit that description. Is he the best of the elite? Probably not, but he's somewhere in the 4 to 7 range.

In terms of game day coaching, which is evaluated by wins & losses, I think it reflects a head coach's initial game planning, in-game adjustments, personnel decisions, clock management, and risk analysis. Tressel is elite at these components. The best? I wouldn't argue for that. But again, he's among the top seven or eight.

Is he advantaged by coaching at Ohio State? Yes, but no more so than Carrol, Myer, Brown, and Stoops are at their respective schools.

What else makes a good coach elite? I would think recruiting ability, X's & O's strategizing, sending players to the NFL, and to a lesser extent, keeping a program in good repute with academics and citizenship.

Tressel routinely has solid recruiting classes and has landed a number of "big fish" recruits. I would argue his recruiting has been on an elite level in that regard.

As far as X's & O's go, Tressel is certainly not exciting or flashy, but he has put forward his own unique style of playcalling "Tressel Ball". In other years, as the talent has improved, he has modified his offense to suit the skills of the players. I think that is a sign of an elite coach.

OSU routinely sends a lot of kids to the NFL, and many in the first round. Again, compared to the rest of the D1 schools, we are doing it at an elite rate.

The last component, the academics and citizenship part, I would not argue that Tressel is elite. The facts simply don't support a claim to the contrary.

You seem like you've warmed up to Tressel a bit in regards to your off-the-field opinion of him.

[NCBLUE]

I'm late joining in this thread but I wanted to add my two cents about Tressel.

OSU has what I consider a three tiered schedule. The elite team(s); Michigan; and the rest of the schedule. Tressel rarely if ever loses to the rest of the schedule and you know how he has fared against Michigan. That leaves the elite team(s) - where I would say he is about .500 although we've lost our last four. I think that kind of track record indicates Jim Tressel is an elite game day coach.

By elite, I mean there just aren't that many out there that have that kind of track record. I'm not sure you can say there are even ten guys out there right now coaching out of 100 plus schools in D1 who would fit that description. Is he the best of the elite? Probably not, but he's somewhere in the 4 to 7 range.

In terms of game day coaching, which is evaluated by wins & losses, I think it reflects a head coach's initial game planning, in-game adjustments, personnel decisions, clock management, and risk analysis. Tressel is elite at these components. The best? I wouldn't argue for that. But again, he's among the top seven or eight.

Is he advantaged by coaching at Ohio State? Yes, but no more so than Carrol, Myer, Brown, and Stoops are at their respective schools.

What else makes a good coach elite? I would think recruiting ability, X's & O's strategizing, sending players to the NFL, and to a lesser extent, keeping a program in good repute with academics and citizenship.

Tressel routinely has solid recruiting classes and has landed a number of "big fish" recruits. I would argue his recruiting has been on an elite level in that regard.

As far as X's & O's go, Tressel is certainly not exciting or flashy, but he has put forward his own unique style of playcalling "Tressel Ball". In other years, as the talent has improved, he has modified his offense to suit the skills of the players. I think that is a sign of an elite coach.

OSU routinely sends a lot of kids to the NFL, and many in the first round. Again, compared to the rest of the D1 schools, we are doing it at an elite rate.

The last component, the academics and citizenship part, I would not argue that Tressel is elite. The facts simply don't support a claim to the contrary.


Not a bad assessment. I guess where the subjective definitions come into play are in the word elite. I would probably put Tressel in the top 10-12 but probably not in the top 5 which is where I was thinnking when I used the term elite.

His overall record is still respectable due mainly to a strong start. I was looking at more recent events. I have been puzzled by the 2nd half performance against USC. Not that oSU lost but how they lost and packed it in. You could say that 3-5 coaches who annually have equal or slightly better talent out coach him, and another 4-6 coaches who have lesser talent that out perfrorm him.

Failure to make in game adjustments and character issue are two other black marks against him.

However for the all the good items you mention above means in my mind that he would be put in a very solid good but not great or elite category.

[Bighouse]

No, it's because an OSU loss to USC would be the highlight of a Um fan's season since Um has no shot of beating OSU or any decent team this year. There's been more discussion on this board about the OSU/USC game than Um's first game against Western/Northern Mich (whichever it is).


Michigan lost 7 games within 7 points last year. New coach, young players, no qb, new playbook, you're gay. We will beat some decent teams this year.

[Silver Bullet]

Michigan lost 7 games within 7 points last year. New coach, young players, no qb, new playbook, you're gay. We will beat some decent teams this year.

Care to elaborate on who you're going to beat this year?

[Uncle Rico]

NCBlue, you are my kind of college football/Michigan fan. You love the sport and your team, but you are very sensible and respectful to other fans of other schools. I hope that I am percieved the same way that guys like you and Furley are. Looking forward to another exciting season of College football!:)

[rickyleach]

silverpuss ,care to elaberate on when your boy tressy and his suckeyes are going to beat a team insde the top 10 , sshit boy its been 5 fucckin years and you dare say your program is good , is your boy tressel ready for his daddys pecker , excuse me i mean peters peter, cause the nation all knows tressel cant win anything outsde the big10 ,and has osu ever beat the sec...