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MICHDAD1
08-25-2009, 08:48 AM
http://www.juntosociety.com/patriotism/inytg.html


For those of you who believe that Obamacare is a "Right" it would be wise to read what U.S. Representative from Tennessee Davy Crockett had to say about government welfare.

I especially like these quotes:



One day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose:

"but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living"


"I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it".
"We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. "


"I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."


" 'It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes"

"The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man,"

"So you see, that while you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off than he."


"If you have the right to give to one, you have the right to give to all; and, as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe,"


"You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other."


"Congress has no right to give charity. Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose."

And here's the kicker:

"The congressmen chose to keep their own money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably; and the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them from the necessity of giving by giving what was not yours to give. The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution."

zilla
08-25-2009, 09:21 AM
I love you guys playing constitutional lawyers over the internet. Like you have any clue what your copy and pastes mean.

Wolvrin704
08-25-2009, 10:15 AM
I love you guys playing constitutional lawyers over the internet. Like you have any clue what your copy and pastes mean.

Crickets...

chriswebber
08-25-2009, 10:30 AM
I love you guys playing constitutional lawyers over the internet. Like you have any clue what your copy and pastes mean.

Yes, the constitution was written by a group of super lawyers, at a lawyer convention. Zilla, do you leave the car audio department to go to computers to type this crap?

Medic
08-25-2009, 11:51 AM
I love you guys playing constitutional lawyers over the internet. Like you have any clue what your copy and pastes mean.

haha I know, right!? That would almost be like using a trial lawyer's blog to talk about the economy!

Oh wait....

zilla
08-25-2009, 01:10 PM
Yes, the constitution was written by a group of super lawyers, at a lawyer convention. Zilla, do you leave the car audio department to go to computers to type this crap?

Super lawyers no. Were they smarter than you dopes? Who isn't?

zilla
08-25-2009, 01:12 PM
haha I know, right!? That would almost be like using a trial lawyer's blog to talk about the economy!

Oh wait....

Or better yet I should get my advice from you. The best post ever from you was when you replied in anger to BBA that your posts help people. Please keep those delusional thoughts coming because many people come to hailvictors for investing tips. :D:D

zilla
08-25-2009, 01:14 PM
I found it

"I would like to believe I am providing information that can help people"


Too funny. Saving people money one post at a time medic, keep up the great work. :D:D

Medic
08-25-2009, 01:55 PM
I found it

"I would like to believe I am providing information that can help people"


Too funny. Saving people money one post at a time medic, keep up the great work. :D:D

Considering the poster, and the lack of anything useful or thoughtful coming from you, ever. I'll take your smarmy comments as a compliment.

It's OK zilla, don't be so hurt you have nothing to offer. I didn't slam BBA, I explained the dire tone of most of my posts and then expressed my anger with a system that rewards elitists. I guess that went over your head, but then again, I'm sure that reading comprehension was never your strong suit in school, assuming you finished.

And since you also don't understand what words mean, I've never offered advice on investing or told people what to buy or sell or invest in. We should be coming to you after all, since you're doing so well this year.

Just for you Zilla I will break that trend. Please, invest everything you have in the stock market. It can only go well for you since the economy is about to come roaring back.

chriswebber
08-25-2009, 02:59 PM
Super lawyers no. Were they smarter than you dopes? Who isn't?

Just because you graduate first in your special ed class, doesn't make you smarter then us.:rolleyes:

gator
08-25-2009, 11:48 PM
I love you guys playing constitutional lawyers over the internet. Like you have any clue what your copy and pastes mean.

Actually, as I was reading, I was thinking man that is right on point. He summed up my exact feelings time and again, and I believe him to be right. Zilla, if you could come to understand those quotes, you would truly understand the motivating force behind conservatism. As I have stated before and in a nutshell - For better or worse, we wish to be left to our own powers of preservation to the greatest extent possible. To not blame others when I fail nor expect them to bail me out and, conversely, not be forced to support others from my success but reserve the right to help according to my own desires. In short, I guess that is my equivalent to your comment about wanting to pick where your tax dollars go. Wouldn't it be easier if the government didn't take your tax dollars from the start? Then you could truly put your money whereever you wanted. See, we really want the same things, you just prefer to go through a VERY EXPENSIVE middle man -the government.

Is it truly that hard for you to believe that some of us find the prospect of abject failure far less frightening than the restrictions government must place on success in order to provide their "security blanket" for the masses? I guess I can see where that comment could be taken as callous, but I've always been very high on motivation and self-esteem; hence, I could never really identify with those who worried about failure. Not that I always succeed on the first go-round, but I don't quit until I succeed.