More Big Ten bashing....sort of.

[bigboyBlue]

Anyone else a bit tired of this? There is some sense to the article though, we need a strong defensive, winnable showing in the BCS Bowl games to show that the top of the Conference is competitive.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=weinreb/081211&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1

I think this section sums up my feelings pretty well (emphasis mine).

"In Terrelle Pryor and Daryll Clark, Ohio State and Penn State have two of the more dynamic quarterbacks in conference history. With two strong performances in BCS bowl games over the course of four days, they can not only shatter the stereotype of their conference, but -- by winning against quality opponents by playing both offense and defense -- can also restore balance to a sport that seems caught up in the irrational exuberance of 61-41 final scores. There is little doubt at this point that the spread offense is the future of college football. But it does not have to render the legacy of the Big Ten -- a legacy of linebackers missing front teeth and running backs built like, well, Plymouth Valiants -- entirely obsolete. In football, at least, I'd like to think that a little bit of ugly can still be beautiful."

[1OSUNUT]

Once again USC gets to play a Big Ten team at home and Florida will play for the NC in front of their home fans. If we ever get a playoff season I would love to see neutral sites or games up North in the domed stadiums.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

yea its so unfair how florida plays the bowls in florida if we played them on a neutral field last year we totally would of....o wait nevermind, it was you clowns that lost.

[1OSUNUT]

How fair was the 06 @ss kicking USC gave you in the Rose Bowl ? All I'm saying is that the Big Ten teams really have to play well and have things go their way to overcome the huge home field advantage.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

How fair was the 06 @ss kicking USC gave you in the Rose Bowl ? All I'm saying is that the Big Ten teams really have to play well and have things go their way to overcome the huge home field advantage.

I do agree, I just think its great how one second your saying you will beat texas and the next is an excuse for why u may lose. If your so confident go out and say OSU is the better team we will win. and please dont respond with "well is michigan going a bowl this year" thats irrelevant just like you.

[tpilews]

I agree. Hopefully with the addition of a playoff, we'll see some better non-conference matchups as well. Some home-and-homes with top competition.

[GoGreen23]

I agree. Hopefully with the addition of a playoff, we'll see some better non-conference matchups as well. Some home-and-homes with top competition.

Why would teams want to schedule harder out of conference games? Unless you're talking about matchups in the playoffs.

Wouldn't a playoff system encourage teams to play easier non-conference teams so they could have a healthier team for the start of conference play so they would have a better shot at winning it and getting a bid into the playoff? The only reason they would risk playing harder non-conference teams would be if it helped them in some way get a bid, like with the BCS. Not that I am advocating for the BCS, personally I think it sucks.

[tpilews]

Why would teams want to schedule harder out of conference games? Unless you're talking about matchups in the playoffs.

Wouldn't a playoff system encourage teams to play easier non-conference teams so they could have a healthier team for the start of conference play so they would have a better shot at winning it and getting a bid into the playoff? The only reason they would risk playing harder non-conference teams would be if it helped them in some way get a bid, like with the BCS. Not that I am advocating for the BCS, personally I think it sucks.

In all of these playoff formats, the conference champs get into the playoff. So, by losing a couple non-conference games, there is no penalty unlike the current system. The live or die aspect of every game is a result of a system that favors wins over anything else and this is evident by the bcs mnc game this year.

Essentially, a team like UM could schedule Texas, USC, Notre Dame, and Florida for it's non-conference games, lose all four games by 1 pt. and then win their conference and make it into the playoff. Despite the losses, they are still a great team and could win the title. And, by having a playoff, it is decided on a field.

The current system is the reason why every team schedules cupcakes. Teams are stupid to do otherwise. Your whole season can go down the toilet with one loss.

[1OSUNUT]

The Buckeyes are playing Texas in a pretty neutral site - Arizona. I think USC has stayed in CA the last seven years or something, LSU played the NC in their backyard and most of the SEC teams play down South. That is just the fact. You don't think Penn State, Ohio State. MSU and others would play better if the game was at Ford Field or Lucas Oil Stadium - I do. There is a comfort level that comes along with playing close to home. Nothing changes for you. You sleep in your own bed, the climate is the same, the people around your are no different - it matters big time.

If you play close and have luck on your side your OK. But if you have any blunders or mistakes (like OSU has had) and momentum switches to the home teams side - watch out. That is exactly what the Buckeyes have had happen to them in their last three big games. You guys watch college football - momentum is almost impossible to overcome. A great example is the Michigan / Wisconsin game. Once the Wolverines got on a roll in the second half the better team (Wisconsin) could not answer while Michigan on the other hand was sky high. Now make mistakes like the Buckeyes have against elite teams playing at home - it equals what has happened BLOWOUTS.

[tpilews]

Not only that, but in my hypothetical scenario above, if UM doesn't win their conference, they can still be considered one of the best teams in college football, despite their losses to very good competition. And in that consideration, they could possibly get a bid into the playoff. Maybe in the future, a selection committee would put more weight on SOS and margin of loss, and less on just a "L".

[tpilews]

The Buckeyes are playing Texas in a pretty neutral site - Arizona. I think USC has stayed in CA the last seven years or something, LSU played the NC in their backyard and most of the SEC teams play down South. That is just the fact. You don't think Penn State, Ohio State. MSU and others would play better if the game was at Ford Field or Lucas Oil Stadium - I do. There is a comfort level that comes along with playing close to home. Nothing changes for you. You sleep in your own bed, the climate is the same, the people around your are no different - it matters big time.

If you play close and have luck on your side your OK. But if you have any blunders or mistakes (like OSU has had) and momentum switches to the home teams side - watch out. That is exactly what the Buckeyes have had happen to them in their last three big games. You guys watch college football - momentum is almost impossible to overcome. A great example is the Michigan / Wisconsin game. Once the Wolverines got on a roll in the second half the better team (Wisconsin) could not answer while Michigan on the other hand was sky high. Now make mistakes like the Buckeyes have against elite teams playing at home - it equals what has happened BLOWOUTS.

I agree. I think most everyone here would as well. I think every fan of northern teams would like to see some southern teams come up north and freeze their a$$es off.

[GoGreen23]

In all of these playoff formats, the conference champs get into the playoff. So, by losing a couple non-conference games, there is no penalty unlike the current system. The live or die aspect of every game is a result of a system that favors wins over anything else and this is evident by the bcs mnc game this year.

Essentially, a team like UM could schedule Texas, USC, Notre Dame, and Florida for it's non-conference games, lose all four games by 1 pt. and then win their conference and make it into the playoff. Despite the losses, they are still a great team and could win the title. And, by having a playoff, it is decided on a field.

The current system is the reason why every team schedules cupcakes. Teams are stupid to do otherwise. Your whole season can go down the toilet with one loss.

I agree that the BCS does put an emphasis on W's and L's and that this does lead to the scheduling of cupcake teams. But the real reason that these teams don't play each other in the non-conference season is because there is no incentive (aka money). Teams like Michigan, Texas, USC, etc. make a lot more money in a home game against a cupcake, than they would playing another elite team on the road.

We can only hope that it would change with the addition of a playoff. Because you do make some good points, it would lead a more exciting season!

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

The Buckeyes are playing Texas in a pretty neutral site - Arizona. I think USC has stayed in CA the last seven years or something, LSU played the NC in their backyard and most of the SEC teams play down South. That is just the fact. You don't think Penn State, Ohio State. MSU and others would play better if the game was at Ford Field or Lucas Oil Stadium - I do. There is a comfort level that comes along with playing close to home. Nothing changes for you. You sleep in your own bed, the climate is the same, the people around your are no different - it matters big time.

If you play close and have luck on your side your OK. But if you have any blunders or mistakes (like OSU has had) and momentum switches to the home teams side - watch out. That is exactly what the Buckeyes have had happen to them in their last three big games. You guys watch college football - momentum is almost impossible to overcome. A great example is the Michigan / Wisconsin game. Once the Wolverines got on a roll in the second half the better team (Wisconsin) could not answer while Michigan on the other hand was sky high. Now make mistakes like the Buckeyes have against elite teams playing at home - it equals what has happened BLOWOUTS.

yea thats pretty obvious i dont think you needed two paragraphs for that. I was just talking trash to you cause thats all u do. however i LOVE how all you OSU fans always say "we fell apart" or a "blunder" when you just played better teams than you and lost. thats all there is to it stop making excuses as to why you constantly lose these big games.

[bighousemike84]

Nut listen to me now cause im only gonna say this once. Texas WILL beat UOS. Texas is a team that can score at will. They have a junior quarterback that won the Walter Camp award and very well could win the Heisman. UOS has a superbly talented yet incredibly inexperienced freshmen QB who showed against M in the first half that the scale of a big game can and does rattle his nerves. USC made your defense look like a pincushion and I dont think anyone would argue that Texas has a better offense by far over USC. Face it Nut your going to lose AGAIN and theres nothing you can do about it

[MAIZEandBLUEsuedeshoes]

How many times have you guys heard that.... "so and so" may be playing the best football in the country right now---- that could give those teams a chance, too. They might lose the 2 or 3 close games early in the season, but come on strong in the end and MAY not be penalized for it-----rather than falling short.

I'll be glad when they/we finally figure out exactly how THE "playoff" system will work!!

[MAIZEandBLUEsuedeshoes]

How many times have you guys heard that.... "so and so" may be playing the best football in the country right now---- that could give those teams a chance, too. They might lose the 2 or 3 close games early in the season, but come on strong in the end and MAY not be penalized for it-----rather than falling short.

I'll be glad when they/we finally figure out exactly how THE "playoff" system will work!!

About the "teams possibly playing the best football in the country", at that given moment late in the year---regardless of the record, obviously no more than 2 losses. Maybe 3?? Not too sure.

[rickyleach]

1osunut, the bottom line is if you dont want to be the brunt of every joke in college football then put up or shut up,in which your team can do neither, your image as a football power is pathetic..

[tpilews]

About the "teams possibly playing the best football in the country", at that given moment late in the year---regardless of the record, obviously no more than 2 losses. Maybe 3?? Not too sure.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. You could lose to #1, 3, and 4, still be ranked in the top 10, and if you don't win your conference, you could still make the playoff. How much more money will the university pull in by scheduling a home and home with a top 5 team than with a fcs team? Obviously not more than two home games would, but I bet it would be very close.

[amazinblue]

How fair was the 06 @ss kicking USC gave you in the Rose Bowl ? All I'm saying is that the Big Ten teams really have to play well and have things go their way to overcome the huge home field advantage.


Nut,

I believe that the point differential in OSU's game against USC was more than Michigan's last TWO contests against the Trojans. Certainly, I'm not pleased with the results of the Michigan games, but - to call our games against USC a$$ kickings? Hmmm... if that's what our games with USC were, what word would use to describe OSU's game against them?

[amazinblue]

I agree. I think most everyone here would as well. I think every fan of northern teams would like to see some southern teams come up north and freeze their a$$es off.

TPI,

I don't know if you're aware of the USC - ND agreement, but - USC will never play in South Bend (I believe) later than the 3rd Saturday in October - NEVER.

So, playing in the midwest, with bowls in warmer climates - it' just something we're going to have to deal with for a while, possibly - forever. It is what it is, and the Big 10 needs to win in the post season - it's just that simple. I don't like it, but there's little that can be done to change that.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

TPI,

I don't know if you're aware of the USC - ND agreement, but - USC will never play in South Bend (I believe) later than the 3rd Saturday in October - NEVER.

So, playing in the midwest, with bowls in warmer climates - it' just something we're going to have to deal with for a while, possibly - forever. It is what it is, and the Big 10 needs to win in the post season - it's just that simple. I don't like it, but there's little that can be done to change that.

If thats true thats horse shit, why would ND even agree to that?

[1OSUNUT]

I'm guessing MONEY !!!!!!

[rickyleach]

let me clear things up for 1osunut on the definition of asssss beating is , 41 -14 35- 21 and 35- 3, need i say more , ohio state is going to be adding to this list on january 5 , the score will be texas 41 ohio state 20, pryor will be sacked 6 times and tressel will be seen on the sidelines with his head stuck up his assss