What the hell is going on?

[justinsane]

I was giving RR the benefit of the doubt for a while but this is becoming an abomination. No way at UM should things be this difficult with all the resources we possess.

1.) Sam McGuffie: We lose a future star this guy will finish atleast in the top three for the Heisman at RB before his career is over if not I will come on here and say I was wrong. A lot of you on here have bad mouthed him that he is to small. Well he's bigger than Mike Hart and the two munchkins RR's bringing in this year Smith and Jones. Nobody could consistently run through that crap they called a O-line this year.

2.) Scott Schafer: I'm not going to miss him but this guy got one year so why should RR get more? Where's his responsibility in this he hired him? You can say it was a shotgun hire well who does that? RR should have had a better plan what a fiasco they had differences in philosophy he should have known that beforehand.

3.) New Defensive Coordinator: I have three options that if RR hires I'd be impressed. 1.) Mike Trgovac DC for Carolina Panthers played at UM Kiffin went to UT from NFL why not Mike. RR fails we have new head coach in waiting in place. 2.) Willie Martinez DC at Georgia has Michigan roots coached at Central and Eastern Michigan before UGA. 3.) Bud Foster VT DC.

4.) William Campbell: A lot of talk about what a get for RR to reel him in. Well Lloyd had him in the fold and RR lost him to only possibly get him back big deal. Why be thankful for him fixing something he messed up in the first place?

I'm missing Lloyd right about now 8-4 with a Capital One Bowl appearance sounds damn good right now. We may have been mediocre for a while but were in the toilet right now and I'm not seeing anything to get excited over for the future.

[tpilews]

I was giving RR the benefit of the doubt for a while but this is becoming an abomination. No way at UM should things be this difficult with all the resources we possess.

1.) Sam McGuffie: We lose a future star this guy will finish atleast in the top three for the Heisman at RB before his career is over if not I will come on here and say I was wrong. A lot of you on here have bad mouthed him that he is to small. Well he's bigger than Mike Hart and the two munchkins RR's bringing in this year Smith and Jones. Nobody could consistently run through that crap they called a O-line this year.

2.) Scott Schafer: I'm not going to miss him but this guy got one year so why should RR get more? Where's his responsibility in this he hired him? You can say it was a shotgun hire well who does that? RR should have had a better plan what a fiasco they had differences in philosophy he should have known that beforehand.

3.) New Defensive Coordinator: I have three options that if RR hires I'd be impressed. 1.) Mike Trgovac DC for Carolina Panthers played at UM Kiffin went to UT from NFL why not Mike. RR fails we have new head coach in waiting in place. 2.) Willie Martinez DC at Georgia has Michigan roots coached at Central and Eastern Michigan before UGA. 3.) Bud Foster VT DC.

4.) William Campbell: A lot of talk about what a get for RR to reel him in. Well Lloyd had him in the fold and RR lost him to only possibly get him back big deal. Why be thankful for him fixing something he messed up in the first place?

I'm missing Lloyd right about now 8-4 with a Capital One Bowl appearance sounds damn good right now. We may have been mediocre for a while but were in the toilet right now and I'm not seeing anything to get excited over for the future.

4) You're really blaming RR for WC decommitting? Wow. Pure speculation, and Will has always been considered a commit by many.

3) Bud Foster - No problem with him.

2) What names were available last year??? Nothing. SS had a little success, most notably for his upset of USC. There are many defensive minds available THIS YEAR. RR saw an opportunity to lock up the defensive coach of the future, and will be doing so.

I didn't like the "firing" as well. I thought SS should have been given the proper time just as RR will be given time. But, that is over and done with, let's move on. This replacement will be better for UM in the long haul.

[GoBlue21]

I was giving RR the benefit of the doubt for a while but this is becoming an abomination. No way at UM should things be this difficult with all the resources we possess.

1.) Sam McGuffie: We lose a future star this guy will finish atleast in the top three for the Heisman at RB before his career is over if not I will come on here and say I was wrong. A lot of you on here have bad mouthed him that he is to small. Well he's bigger than Mike Hart and the two munchkins RR's bringing in this year Smith and Jones. Nobody could consistently run through that crap they called a O-line this year.

2.) Scott Schafer: I'm not going to miss him but this guy got one year so why should RR get more? Where's his responsibility in this he hired him? You can say it was a shotgun hire well who does that? RR should have had a better plan what a fiasco they had differences in philosophy he should have known that beforehand.

3.) New Defensive Coordinator: I have three options that if RR hires I'd be impressed. 1.) Mike Trgovac DC for Carolina Panthers played at UM Kiffin went to UT from NFL why not Mike. RR fails we have new head coach in waiting in place. 2.) Willie Martinez DC at Georgia has Michigan roots coached at Central and Eastern Michigan before UGA. 3.) Bud Foster VT DC.

4.) William Campbell: A lot of talk about what a get for RR to reel him in. Well Lloyd had him in the fold and RR lost him to only possibly get him back big deal. Why be thankful for him fixing something he messed up in the first place?

I'm missing Lloyd right about now 8-4 with a Capital One Bowl appearance sounds damn good right now. We may have been mediocre for a while but were in the toilet right now and I'm not seeing anything to get excited over for the future.

1.) Get a rope

2.) Tie it in a noose

3.) Secure rope somewhere high

4.) Stick head in a noose and jump!

On a serious note, RELAX! I'll bet you that McGuffie isn't in the Heisman Race. HE HAD 3 CONCUSSIONS THIS YEAR, he may not be able to play football in the future, let alone run for the Heisman.

Are you seriously comparing Mike Hart and Sam McGuffie? I'm not even going to go there. Let's just say, Sam McGuffie HOPES he is half the player Hart was...

RichRod made a coaching change, it happens. If the coaches are butting heads, someone has to go. If you and your BOSS are butting heads, who goes? Definitely not the BOSS. I'm sure RichRod thought about this long and hard before the decision was made, this is a critical time for recruiting and he knows that.

William Campbell HAS every right to go on additional visits. RichRod didn't lose him, he wanted to go on his visits. Telling him "No, you are a Michigan Commit!" "If you go on visits, we will pull your scholarship" Is that really going to help the situation?

Let Michigan name a DC before you go jumping off a roof. The coaches had different views so they parted ways...Life goes on! Time to move forward and see what happens.

[justinsane]

4) You're really blaming RR for WC decommitting? Wow. Pure speculation, and Will has always been considered a commit by many.

I'm not blaming him entirely. However, WC was a commit for long time dating back to Carr so RR getting him now seems to me he would have came here no matter who's coaching. Is that a sae assumption?

3) Bud Foster - No problem with him.

2) What names were available last year??? Nothing. SS had a little success, most notably for his upset of USC. There are many defensive minds available THIS YEAR. RR saw an opportunity to lock up the defensive coach of the future, and will be doing so.

I didn't like the "firing" as well. I thought SS should have been given the proper time just as RR will be given time. But, that is over and done with, let's move on. This replacement will be better for UM in the long haul.

I don't remember who was available last year but RR was not really available he was under contract so he could have stolen a DC from somewhere better suited for his system.

Why was the firing or resigning done now? The timing is curious the season has been over for a month

[justinsane]

1.) Get a rope

2.) Tie it in a noose

3.) Secure rope somewhere high

4.) Stick head in a noose and jump!

On a serious note, RELAX! I'll bet you that McGuffie isn't in the Heisman Race. HE HAD 3 CONCUSSIONS THIS YEAR, he may not be able to play football in the future, let alone run for the Heisman.

He will play again these Texas teams are drooling at the shot to get him so I think the concussions are an overrated issue.

Are you seriously comparing Mike Hart and Sam McGuffie? I'm not even going to go there. Let's just say, Sam McGuffie HOPES he is half the player Hart was...

I was just comparing size to begin with. But I was hoping Sam or Shaw now is better than Mike Hart. My fond memories of Hart have consisted of a 0-4 record aganist tuos, 1-3 in bowl games, multiple injuries. If you think Hart is the standard to be set for a RB at UM you are either uninformed or 15 years old. Want to see great RB's at UM watch Wheatley, Powers, Biakabatuka, Morris, Hoard, Boles I'll take them all over Hart as best UM RB.

RichRod made a coaching change, it happens. If the coaches are butting heads, someone has to go. If you and your BOSS are butting heads, who goes? Definitely not the BOSS. I'm sure RichRod thought about this long and hard before the decision was made, this is a critical time for recruiting and he knows that.

William Campbell HAS every right to go on additional visits. RichRod didn't lose him, he wanted to go on his visits. Telling him "No, you are a Michigan Commit!" "If you go on visits, we will pull your scholarship" Is that really going to help the situation?

Let Michigan name a DC before you go jumping off a roof. The coaches had different views so they parted ways...Life goes on! Time to move forward and see what happens.

Fair enough I'm not going to miss SS but if he promotes within we have a problem. Tuberville would not be a good choice he will be here a year and than take a HC position we need some stability.

[The Michigan Man]

I was giving RR the benefit of the doubt for a while but this is becoming an abomination. No way at UM should things be this difficult with all the resources we possess.

1.) Sam McGuffie: We lose a future star this guy will finish atleast in the top three for the Heisman at RB before his career is over if not I will come on here and say I was wrong. A lot of you on here have bad mouthed him that he is to small. Well he's bigger than Mike Hart and the two munchkins RR's bringing in this year Smith and Jones. Nobody could consistently run through that crap they called a O-line this year.

2.) Scott Schafer: I'm not going to miss him but this guy got one year so why should RR get more? Where's his responsibility in this he hired him? You can say it was a shotgun hire well who does that? RR should have had a better plan what a fiasco they had differences in philosophy he should have known that beforehand.

3.) New Defensive Coordinator: I have three options that if RR hires I'd be impressed. 1.) Mike Trgovac DC for Carolina Panthers played at UM Kiffin went to UT from NFL why not Mike. RR fails we have new head coach in waiting in place. 2.) Willie Martinez DC at Georgia has Michigan roots coached at Central and Eastern Michigan before UGA. 3.) Bud Foster VT DC.

4.) William Campbell: A lot of talk about what a get for RR to reel him in. Well Lloyd had him in the fold and RR lost him to only possibly get him back big deal. Why be thankful for him fixing something he messed up in the first place?

I'm missing Lloyd right about now 8-4 with a Capital One Bowl appearance sounds damn good right now. We may have been mediocre for a while but were in the toilet right now and I'm not seeing anything to get excited over for the future.

1) If Sam keeps getting his bell rung, he won't be seeing 2-3 more years of football. I liked him a lot and enjoyed watching him, but 3 concussions this early is not a indicator of a long football career at the college level.

2) RR took a chance on Schafer (and his past successes made that gamble a reasonable one, IMO) and it didn't work out. That is called coaching college football, and RR isn't the only one that has hired and fired coordinators, it happens all the time. Carr, the coach that you tearfully pine for, canned Hermann and Malone a few years ago and brought in DeBord and English, remember??? Why was that okay for Carr and not RR? Because you despise RR and have a different set of standards.

3) Interesting list. I'd like for him to wait until after the bowl season to see who is available, but understand that prolonged uncertaintly may make the defensive recruits edgy.

4) Carr lost his share of recruits (Jai Eugene comes to mind. By the way, SI had a great article about how Carr let Sam Bradford slip away a few years ago), so what? Again, welcome to current state of college football. In all likelihood, Campbell will be Blue anyway. By the way, take a look at the Scout / Rivals recruiting ratings and tell me how RR is f'ing this up, going 3-9 and still pulling in a top 10 class.

[Buzz]

4)What names were available last year??? Nothing. SS had a little success, most notably for his upset of USC.

What do you mean there were no DCs other than Schafer who were available last year? There were plenty.

RichRod's replacing Schafer to save face with the program after a very bad year......it's just that simple.

[Buzz]

1)By the way, SI had a great article about how Carr let Sam Bradford slip away a few years ago), so what?


Carr had Mallet, the number rated QB of that class lined up during that time span. It's very tough to get two very high caliber QB recruits signed in consecutive recruiting class.

It's funny how people continue to blame Carr for what's not right with Michigan at this time.

[justinsane]

1) If Sam keeps getting his bell rung, he won't be seeing 2-3 more years of football. I liked him a lot and enjoyed watching him, but 3 concussions this early is not a indicator of a long football career at the college level.

2) RR took a chance on Schafer (and his past successes made that gamble a reasonable one, IMO) and it didn't work out. That is called coaching college football, and RR isn't the only one that has hired and fired coordinators, it happens all the time. Carr, the coach that you tearfully pine for, canned Hermann and Malone a few years ago and brought in DeBord and English, remember??? Why was that okay for Carr and not RR? Because you despise RR and have a different set of standards.

3) Interesting list. I'd like for him to wait until after the bowl season to see who is available, but understand that prolonged uncertaintly may make the defensive recruits edgy.

4) Carr lost his share of recruits (Jai Eugene comes to mind. By the way, SI had a great article about how Carr let Sam Bradford slip away a few years ago), so what? Again, welcome to current state of college football. In all likelihood, Campbell will be Blue anyway. By the way, take a look at the Scout / Rivals recruiting ratings and tell me how RR is f'ing this up, going 3-9 and still pulling in a top 10 class.

2.) Carr did have some turnover of assistants but a few of them got HC positions Hoke, Debord and Carr had success RR has not. At UM anyway.

4.) Carr did lose some recruits, but not the long laundry list of de-commits RR has had this season. Even Weis has not lost recruits like this so why are we having this hard of a time? Sam Bradford that's a joke we had Henne and Mallett. Where would he have played? Nobody was complaining about Bradford last season. OU was expecting Keith Nichol to be their future QB but Bradford wound up being the better one.

[justinsane]

Carr had Mallet, the number rated QB of that class lined up during that time span. It's very tough to get two very high caliber QB recruits signed in the same recruiting class.

It's funny how people continue to blame Carr for what's not right with Michigan at this time.

Right on Buzz. We were thinking the same thing. RR gets a free pass on this board and it's sickening. Let's blame Lloyd for everything. No matter who leaves McGuffie, Mallett, Newsome, McNeal, Schafer people here say no big deal they aren't that good as long as we have RR. RR has a 6 win season or worse and he's gonna be the one out on his ass.

[Sten Carlson]

Right on Buzz. We were thinking the same thing. RR gets a free pass on this board and it's sickening. Let's blame Lloyd for everything. No matter who leaves McGuffie, Mallett, Newsome, McNeal, Schafer people here say no big deal they aren't that good as long as we have RR. RR has a 6 win season or worse and he's gonna be the one out on his ass.

Where do you get the idea that RR is getting a "free pass"? What should we do, jump ship cuz the DC wasn't any good and didn't get along with RR?

I am not giving anyone a free pass, all I've ever said, is let the guy have some time before you crucify him for everything that he does, or doesn't do. You, and others, are so quick to jump on him that you're not looking at what he IS accomplishing -- a very very good recruiting class despite the terrible season. That MUST count for something, as it is in indication of the confidence that top-tier talent has in RR, his system, and his ability to put Michigan back at the top.

Mallet was going to leave anyway, that is pretty obvious -- he wanted to be back near home, and was a primadonna, and frankly, wasn't all that impressive. McGuffie is a different story altogether. He had several concussions, and had family issues and he also wanted to be closer to home.

Last I checked, neither Newsome nor McNeal were Wolverines, so they never left, they decided to go elsewhere.

Now on to Shaffer. I think it's very common for a new coach to go through a few coordinators and position coaches before they find a great fit. Look at Mack Brown down here in Austin. Muschamp is an animal, but he wasn't here from the get go, it took some time to find someone of caliber.

I contend, and this Shaffer business only confirms my contention, that Michigan fans are so spoiled, so complacent, and so used to stability in the program, that any little bump in the road sends many over the edge of despair!

Shaffer coached one of the worst Michigan Defenses in history. Granted, their cause wasn't helped by the inept offense, but someone has to be held accountable for the defense's inability to perform -- the obvious person to be held accountable, in my opinion, is Carr as his players SUCK! All of them! None of them can tackle, nor can they take proper angles. But, unfortunately, RR cannot blame Carr, and given the fact that Shaffer was bucking the system, and insisting upon using a system that RR didn't want, I don't blame RR for letting him go.

I have to imagine this conversation was held at some point:

Shaffer: 4-3
RR: 3-3-5
Shaffer: 4-3
RR: ok, but if the defense sucks, you're gone!

The defense sucked, so Shaffer is gone! Why does that mean that the sky is falling Justin?

I am sick of listening to you cowards whine and complain about everything RR does, every player that leaves, and every recruit that doesn't choose Michigan. There is a great deal of positives that many people in here point out daily, but you and RTB only look for the negative, so that is all you see.

Just be patient, let this DC change play out -- who knows, maybe he's bringing in the guy he wanted last year, and someone that will bring defense back!

Go Blue!

[The Michigan Man]

Right on Buzz. We were thinking the same thing. RR gets a free pass on this board and it's sickening. Let's blame Lloyd for everything. No matter who leaves McGuffie, Mallett, Newsome, McNeal, Schafer people here say no big deal they aren't that good as long as we have RR. RR has a 6 win season or worse and he's gonna be the one out on his ass.

There is a distinction between "giving a free pass" and "giving a fair chance". Chopping off a coach's head after 1 season is lunacy.

Once again, check the recruiting rankings. There are guys in the pipeline just as good as those that are leaving. Calm down and quit beeing so obsessed with instant gratification. Ever heard of "growing pains"? Quit crying through each bit of pain inflicted, suck it up, and understand that it is necessary for the advancement of the program.

I'm not blaming Carr for everything, but if you don't see the decline in this program that culminated with a home loss to App St., you are obviously in denial. If going 1-6 against tUOS and losing nearly every big game played in the 2000's was fine with you, we obviously have a different set of standards for Michigan fooball.

For your information, RR's "fair chance" in my eyes was this year, and the grace period was over after the season ended. If I don't see a significant improvement, I will start to call RR out, just like I did Carr.

Everyone thinks that I'm such a huge RR advocate - in actuallity, I'm an advocate of the University of Michigan first, and it is in the best interest of Michigan to give the new HC a fair chance instead of pouting and crying "the sky is falling" at every single f'ing thing that happens.

[justinsane]

Where do you get the idea that RR is getting a "free pass"? What should we do, jump ship cuz the DC wasn't any good and didn't get along with RR?

I am not giving anyone a free pass, all I've ever said, is let the guy have some time before you crucify him for everything that he does, or doesn't do. You, and others, are so quick to jump on him that you're not looking at what he IS accomplishing -- a very very good recruiting class despite the terrible season. That MUST count for something, as it is in indication of the confidence that top-tier talent has in RR, his system, and his ability to put Michigan back at the top.

Mallet was going to leave anyway, that is pretty obvious -- he wanted to be back near home, and was a primadonna, and frankly, wasn't all that impressive. McGuffie is a different story altogether. He had several concussions, and had family issues and he also wanted to be closer to home.

Last I checked, neither Newsome nor McNeal were Wolverines, so they never left, they decided to go elsewhere.

Now on to Shaffer. I think it's very common for a new coach to go through a few coordinators and position coaches before they find a great fit. Look at Mack Brown down here in Austin. Muschamp is an animal, but he wasn't here from the get go, it took some time to find someone of caliber.

I contend, and this Shaffer business only confirms my contention, that Michigan fans are so spoiled, so complacent, and so used to stability in the program, that any little bump in the road sends many over the edge of despair!

Shaffer coached one of the worst Michigan Defenses in history. Granted, their cause wasn't helped by the inept offense, but someone has to be held accountable for the defense's inability to perform -- the obvious person to be held accountable, in my opinion, is Carr as his players SUCK! All of them! None of them can tackle, nor can they take proper angles. But, unfortunately, RR cannot blame Carr, and given the fact that Shaffer was bucking the system, and insisting upon using a system that RR didn't want, I don't blame RR for letting him go.

I have to imagine this conversation was held at some point:

Shaffer: 4-3
RR: 3-3-5
Shaffer: 4-3
RR: ok, but if the defense sucks, you're gone!

The defense sucked, so Shaffer is gone! Why does that mean that the sky is falling Justin?

I am sick of listening to you cowards whine and complain about everything RR does, every player that leaves, and every recruit that doesn't choose Michigan. There is a great deal of positives that many people in here point out daily, but you and RTB only look for the negative, so that is all you see.

Just be patient, let this DC change play out -- who knows, maybe he's bringing in the guy he wanted last year, and someone that will bring defense back!

Go Blue!

Sten, I do like you and you have educated opinions unlike some others on here so I tend to hear what you and tpi say more than others. Here are my thoughts on your comments though:

1.) I'm not jumping ship but when is this drama going to end? It's one thing after another since he came here. Do I really need to go through the examples? I just want some peaceful recruiting season and spring practice and something to get excited about.

2.) Recruiting class, yes there are some nice pieces but I think Forcier would have came here if Carr was here to. Carr did get Jason Forcier. Campbell also. I'm not liking all the midget WR though we had enough from last year and T-Rob and Roundtree never saw the field this year so basically there in this years class. So why do we need Peace and Jones and Smith? Gallon I do like a lot though.

3.) Mallett and Sam I think your wrong. Ryan left cause of RR dont buy into the RR propoganda. He wanted him out to clear the way for Pryor. Sam and Ryan knew the differences from MI to TX and they came anyway they knew what snow was the closer to home is masking other reasons.

4.) Newsome, McNeal, Fera were not Wolverines but everyone on here was excited when they committed. I don't understand all the commiting de-commiting that is ging on RR needs to get a handle on this.

5.) I'm in agreement with you on Schafer no big loss. RR did hire him so he needs to take responsibility for that. His next hire better be a good one though.

[Sten Carlson]

Sten, I do like you and you have educated opinions unlike some others on here so I tend to hear what you and tpi say more than others. Here are my thoughts on your comments though:

1.) I'm not jumping ship but when is this drama going to end? It's one thing after another since he came here. Do I really need to go through the examples? I just want some peaceful recruiting season and spring practice and something to get excited about.

I know you're not jumping ship, but this drama is what most other schools go through almost every year. Again, this proves my contention about us Michigan fans being spoiled. We've had decades in which there wasn't much to report on, and everything was pretty much on autopilot -- I think that is what you're reacting to. You should have a lot to be excited about. We're tops in Florida behind the FL Big 3 -- has that EVER been the case? Not that I can recall. I liken Michigan Football to a Ferrari that has been sitting in the garage for a while, and taken out to drive, but never really letting her rip! RR is dusting the beast off, and getting all the cylinders firing -- that means that there will be misfires, but those will be worked out in time. You don't scrap the car cuz a few spark plugs and alternators need replacing, do you?

2.) Recruiting class, yes there are some nice pieces but I think Forcier would have came here if Carr was here to. Carr did get Jason Forcier. Campbell also. I'm not liking all the midget WR though we had enough from last year and T-Rob and Roundtree never saw the field this year so basically there in this years class. So why do we need Peace and Jones and Smith? Gallon I do like a lot though.

I don't disagree with you, but, I think that RR knows what he's doing and has a plan in mind in getting all these guys. You and I may not understand it, but I think that simply because we're not used to such a scheme. In watching other programs, like OU,Texas, and TT, it seems to me that you can never have too many skill/speed players in the line up -- anyone of whom can catch a 7 yard pass and turn it into a BIG gain. If you watch OU play, you'll see that slipscreen like 10 times a game. That is the new HB dive, if that makes any sense. There is still a place for a HB dive, but coaches are learning that if you get the ball to a speedy guy in space, at worst he's going to get 4, just like the old battering ram up the gut plays. You have to have a very special RB to break those consistently, but you don't need THAT great of a WR to get a crease and break it for a big gain or TD. Just be patient. I know I say that a lot in here, but RR has a method to his madness. As soon as we get a QB that can actually throw the ball more than 11 yards, we're going to see a whole different animal all together. Then think about a back like Minor or Shaw, after the defense has been burned deep, and with several quick hits to WRs, getting the ball on a draw or sweep. It's a thing of beauty, but it's just the mirror image of what we're used to at Michigan.

3.) Mallett and Sam I think your wrong. Ryan left cause of RR dont buy into the RR propoganda. He wanted him out to clear the way for Pryor. Sam and Ryan knew the differences from MI to TX and they came anyway they knew what snow was the closer to home is masking other reasons.

I think you're fishing on this one Justin. I thought Ryan was a little bitch from the time he set foot on campus. There were lots of people down here in TX, where they KNOW HS football, that said they were glad that he wasn't going to Texas cuz he was a primadonna, and they didn't like his attitude. Yes he was highly recruited and 5 star, but come on, the kid just wasn't all that and thought he was. Can you imagine what Bo would have done when he came of the field and yelled at the coach like he did?!? Sammy, well I am not sure on that one. I think his family issues weighed into the equation far more than anything else. I think you and other can grasp at straws and hold you opinion that RR ran him out of town, but I don't see it. Why would RR start him and give him such a prominent role in his offense, then run him. Maybe Sam was pissed about getting passed over by Minor or Shaw. I don't know. I wish Sam well, especially if he becomes an Aggie (Gig 'Em!), but I don't think we should worry too much about him leaving -- he'll be missed, but replaced in short order.
4.) Newsome, McNeal, Fera were not Wolverines but everyone on here was excited when they committed. I don't understand all the commiting de-commiting that is ging on RR needs to get a handle on this.

5.) I'm in agreement with you on Schafer no big loss. RR did hire him so he needs to take responsibility for that. His next hire better be a good one though.

Or else what? I think its funny how so many people in here make these "or else" statements like their opinion somehow matters. I am not saying that it's not fun and entertaining to comment, question, and debate the issues, but everyone needs to understand that RR is trying his best to do what's best for Michigan Football. He's probably already got someone in mind, and the timing just wasn't right to get him in last year. His hiring was a bit of a rush job, and he had to scramble, remember?

I am betting that Michigan's team isn't going to resemble anything that we saw this season -- not in the least. I think the offense is going to do what spread offenses do best, run up yards and points, and the defense is going to be good, not great, but good. Then, in 2010, I think the defense is going to come into it own, and the top tier recruits that are coming in are going to be matured and in place, and the defense is going to compliment the great offense. That is just my opinion, but I don't see how our defense could be any worse than it was over the past few seasons!

[justinsane]

1.) I'm not jumping ship but when is this drama going to end? It's one thing after another since he came here. Do I really need to go through the examples? I just want some peaceful recruiting season and spring practice and something to get excited about.

I know you're not jumping ship, but this drama is what most other schools go through almost every year. Again, this proves my contention about us Michigan fans being spoiled. We've had decades in which there wasn't much to report on, and everything was pretty much on autopilot -- I think that is what you're reacting to. You should have a lot to be excited about. We're tops in Florida behind the FL Big 3 -- has that EVER been the case? Not that I can recall. I liken Michigan Football to a Ferrari that has been sitting in the garage for a while, and taken out to drive, but never really letting her rip! RR is dusting the beast off, and getting all the cylinders firing -- that means that there will be misfires, but those will be worked out in time. You don't scrap the car cuz a few spark plugs and alternators need replacing, do you?

2.) Recruiting class, yes there are some nice pieces but I think Forcier would have came here if Carr was here to. Carr did get Jason Forcier. Campbell also. I'm not liking all the midget WR though we had enough from last year and T-Rob and Roundtree never saw the field this year so basically there in this years class. So why do we need Peace and Jones and Smith? Gallon I do like a lot though.

I don't disagree with you, but, I think that RR knows what he's doing and has a plan in mind in getting all these guys. You and I may not understand it, but I think that simply because we're not used to such a scheme. In watching other programs, like OU,Texas, and TT, it seems to me that you can never have too many skill/speed players in the line up -- anyone of whom can catch a 7 yard pass and turn it into a BIG gain. If you watch OU play, you'll see that slipscreen like 10 times a game. That is the new HB dive, if that makes any sense. There is still a place for a HB dive, but coaches are learning that if you get the ball to a speedy guy in space, at worst he's going to get 4, just like the old battering ram up the gut plays. You have to have a very special RB to break those consistently, but you don't need THAT great of a WR to get a crease and break it for a big gain or TD. Just be patient. I know I say that a lot in here, but RR has a method to his madness. As soon as we get a QB that can actually throw the ball more than 11 yards, we're going to see a whole different animal all together. Then think about a back like Minor or Shaw, after the defense has been burned deep, and with several quick hits to WRs, getting the ball on a draw or sweep. It's a thing of beauty, but it's just the mirror image of what we're used to at Michigan.

3.) Mallett and Sam I think your wrong. Ryan left cause of RR dont buy into the RR propoganda. He wanted him out to clear the way for Pryor. Sam and Ryan knew the differences from MI to TX and they came anyway they knew what snow was the closer to home is masking other reasons.

I think you're fishing on this one Justin. I thought Ryan was a little bitch from the time he set foot on campus. There were lots of people down here in TX, where they KNOW HS football, that said they were glad that he wasn't going to Texas cuz he was a primadonna, and they didn't like his attitude. Yes he was highly recruited and 5 star, but come on, the kid just wasn't all that and thought he was. Can you imagine what Bo would have done when he came of the field and yelled at the coach like he did?!? Sammy, well I am not sure on that one. I think his family issues weighed into the equation far more than anything else. I think you and other can grasp at straws and hold you opinion that RR ran him out of town, but I don't see it. Why would RR start him and give him such a prominent role in his offense, then run him. Maybe Sam was pissed about getting passed over by Minor or Shaw. I don't know. I wish Sam well, especially if he becomes an Aggie (Gig 'Em!), but I don't think we should worry too much about him leaving -- he'll be missed, but replaced in short order.
4.) Newsome, McNeal, Fera were not Wolverines but everyone on here was excited when they committed. I don't understand all the commiting de-commiting that is ging on RR needs to get a handle on this.

5.) I'm in agreement with you on Schafer no big loss. RR did hire him so he needs to take responsibility for that. His next hire better be a good one though.

Or else what? I think its funny how so many people in here make these "or else" statements like their opinion somehow matters. I am not saying that it's not fun and entertaining to comment, question, and debate the issues, but everyone needs to understand that RR is trying his best to do what's best for Michigan Football. He's probably already got someone in mind, and the timing just wasn't right to get him in last year. His hiring was a bit of a rush job, and he had to scramble, remember?

I am betting that Michigan's team isn't going to resemble anything that we saw this season -- not in the least. I think the offense is going to do what spread offenses do best, run up yards and points, and the defense is going to be good, not great, but good. Then, in 2010, I think the defense is going to come into it own, and the top tier recruits that are coming in are going to be matured and in place, and the defense is going to compliment the great offense. That is just my opinion, but I don't see how our defense could be any worse than it was over the past few seasons!

Good write up. Mallett I'm a tired of talking about he's gone it's over. Minor worries me he and Brown never stepped up all the time Hart was hurt and I don't think that highly of either, and they both have injury issues themselves. Sam on the otherhand was 2-2 starting and I don't what happened after but their line was abysmal he will be missed.

A comment about Forcier I recall on this board people were laughing at him in July and August when he was coming to camps here. They were saying get a clue we have Newsome and Beaver take a hike your not needed. I've seen the films of them and I'd take Tate first he can burn defenses with a great arm and good feet. With that said do you think RR is dissappointed he didn't hang onto Newsome and thats the guy he really wanted? If thats the case it sounds eerily familiar with Sam I think RR liked Shaw because he's his guy he stole him from PSU and Sam was a Carr recruit. I just hope there is no resenment towards Tate that RR really wanted Newsome because if so he could tranfer after next season.

[Sten Carlson]

Good write up. Mallett I'm a tired of talking about he's gone it's over. Minor worries me he and Brown never stepped up all the time Hart was hurt and I don't think that highly of either, and they both have injury issues themselves. Sam on the otherhand was 2-2 starting and I don't what happened after but their line was abysmal he will be missed.

A comment about Forcier I recall on this board people were laughing at him in July and August when he was coming to camps here. They were saying get a clue we have Newsome and Beaver take a hike your not needed. I've seen the films of them and I'd take Tate first he can burn defenses with a great arm and good feet. With that said do you think RR is dissappointed he didn't hang onto Newsome and thats the guy he really wanted? If thats the case it sounds eerily familiar with Sam I think RR liked Shaw because he's his guy he stole him from PSU and Sam was a Carr recruit. I just hope there is no resenment towards Tate that RR really wanted Newsome because if so he could tranfer after next season.

I think we just have to chalk Sam leaving up to circumstances that are beyond a coach's control. He was not the kind of back, IMO, that you could feed the ball to 25-30 times a game and expect him to thrive, especially not with the state that the offensive line was in.

I think Tate and Beaver are going to be a monsters! It's going to be great to see those two play off each other and vie for the starting job, rather than the opposite scenario we had this year in which RR was forced to choose between the lesser of the inept. Nothing against either guy, but it sure was difficult to watch!

I don't see RR taking his disappointment about Newsome out on either Tate or Beaver -- why would he do that? Do you think RR is childish? Cuz I think that discriminating against a guy cuz he isn't Newsome would be a pretty childish thing to do. I just don't see RR acting that way. I think just the opposite is going to be the case -- I think he's going to ride his two incoming freshmen QBs for all their worth, and give them all the tools they need to be successful as I am sure that he never wants a repeat of last season. I think they're both coming in early (at least I know Tate is) and I think that fact is going to make a HUGE difference in their development.

[justinsane]

I think we just have to chalk Sam leaving up to circumstances that are beyond a coach's control. He was not the kind of back, IMO, that you could feed the ball to 25-30 times a game and expect him to thrive, especially not with the state that the offensive line was in.

I think Tate and Beaver are going to be a monsters! It's going to be great to see those two play off each other and vie for the starting job, rather than the opposite scenario we had this year in which RR was forced to choose between the lesser of the inept. Nothing against either guy, but it sure was difficult to watch!

I don't see RR taking his disappointment about Newsome out on either Tate or Beaver -- why would he do that? Do you think RR is childish? Cuz I think that discriminating against a guy cuz he isn't Newsome would be a pretty childish thing to do. I just don't see RR acting that way. I think just the opposite is going to be the case -- I think he's going to ride his two incoming freshmen QBs for all their worth, and give them all the tools they need to be successful as I am sure that he never wants a repeat of last season. I think they're both coming in early (at least I know Tate is) and I think that fact is going to make a HUGE difference in their development.

I don't think he's childish I just hope he's happy with what he has now compared to what could have been.

I don't know if anyone has seen on Scout but some midget WR from Texas is choosing between Baylor and UM. I guess RR was at his house. I hope he goes to Baylor I understand we need these small guys but we have enough for right now. We need CB's desperately Branden Smith, Dre Kirkpatrick are available and how about making a run at Josh Robinson I heard he's not completely set with UCF.

[Run The Ball]

I am sick of listening to you cowards whine and complain about everything RR does, every player that leaves, and every recruit that doesn't choose Michigan. There is a great deal of positives that many people in here point out daily, but you and RTB only look for the negative, so that is all you see.

Just be patient, let this DC change play out -- who knows, maybe he's bringing in the guy he wanted last year, and someone that will bring defense back!

Go Blue!


Right. Everyone needs to get on board with Sten here, IMO. The best thing to do now, and the only way you can be a TRUE Michigan fan (according to some), is to support this program no matter what they do, let Bill Martian do whatever he wants whenever he wants, let Dikk, er, RichRod run the fukking program into the ground, don't have any accountability for anyone whatsoever, and just go with the flow. Remember, if you don't have "change", then you don't really have anything at all, right Sten?

Damn, I never realized so many Michigan fans would turn into a bunch of blind fukking sheep, oblivious to all reality. Hell, until Martian destroyed our program, and until all these DikkRod-does-no-wrong motherfukkers came out in full force, I always thought Michigan had one of the best core groups of fans in the world. I was wrong. Some of these yo-yo's around here are making Michigan fans look bad, too. It's as if Michigan football is now some kind of teen pom-pom palace.

It's to the point, truly, that some of these sheep around here could arrive home one day, have DikkRod poking their old lady in the butthole, and guys like this Sten homer would say something like,

"Uh, that's OK Rich, please continue. We're going to get to that 2012 Motor City Bowl, dude. Do what you gotta do...I love you, man!!!!"

[Sten Carlson]

Right. Everyone needs to get on board with Sten here, IMO. The best thing to do now, and the only way you can be a TRUE Michigan fan (according to some), is to support this program no matter what they do, let Bill Martian do whatever he wants whenever he wants, let Dikk, er, RichRod run the fukking program into the ground, don't have any accountability for anyone whatsoever, and just go with the flow. Remember, if you don't have "change", then you don't really have anything at all, right Sten?

Damn, I never realized so many Michigan fans would turn into a bunch of blind fukking sheep, oblivious to all reality. Hell, until Martian destroyed our program, and until all these DikkRod-does-no-wrong motherfukkers came out in full force, I always thought Michigan had one of the best core groups of fans in the world. I was wrong. Some of these yo-yo's around here are making Michigan fans look bad, too. It's as if Michigan football is now some kind of teen pom-pom palace.

It's to the point, truly, that some of these sheep around here could arrive home one day, have DikkRod poking their old lady in the butthole, and guys like this Sten homer would say something like,

"Uh, that's OK Rich, please continue. We're going to get to that 2012 Motor City Bowl, dude. Do what you gotta do...I love you, man!!!!"

You're an idiot! I cannot even respond to your insane rants any longer. You're insisting upon being irrational, and irrational people cannot be dealt with rationally!

[GoDeepHammer]

Right. Everyone needs to get on board with Sten here, IMO. The best thing to do now, and the only way you can be a TRUE Michigan fan (according to some), is to support this program no matter what they do, let Bill Martian do whatever he wants whenever he wants, let Dikk, er, RichRod run the fukking program into the ground, don't have any accountability for anyone whatsoever, and just go with the flow. Remember, if you don't have "change", then you don't really have anything at all, right Sten?

Damn, I never realized so many Michigan fans would turn into a bunch of blind fukking sheep, oblivious to all reality. Hell, until Martian destroyed our program, and until all these DikkRod-does-no-wrong motherfukkers came out in full force, I always thought Michigan had one of the best core groups of fans in the world. I was wrong. Some of these yo-yo's around here are making Michigan fans look bad, too. It's as if Michigan football is now some kind of teen pom-pom palace.

It's to the point, truly, that some of these sheep around here could arrive home one day, have DikkRod poking their old lady in the butthole, and guys like this Sten homer would say something like,

"Uh, that's OK Rich, please continue. We're going to get to that 2012 Motor City Bowl, dude. Do what you gotta do...I love you, man!!!!"

I guess there are only two types of Michigan fans. The ones that you talk about, the pro-RR and the ones like you that have nothing more to add then to bitch about anything and everything.

I guess that I totally understand you and your point. The chicken little mentality, the entire Michigan football program is never going to be good again. Boo Hoo, poor me. Get over yourself and know that this is more then about you, it's more then about any fan, it's about the team. We are all just fans, nothing more, nothing less.

Michigan football had a down year, it happens, dry your tears and clean out your diaper. Give this coach a chance, give these kids a chance and actually give it the time that it deserves. If you are such a fan, you will see that a major change to the football program would put us down and out.

[GoDeepHammer]

You're an idiot! I cannot even respond to your insane rants any longer. You're insisting upon being irrational, and irrational people cannot be dealt with rationally!

It's fun to throw logic out the widow and talk to rtb like the slow neighbor that shits in your yard. It's kind of fun.

[bluefan]

Does Rubs His Balls still think we believe he's a UM fan?

[GoBlue21]

Does Rubs His Balls still think we believe he's a UM fan?

Homosexuality is all I can guess, definitely not a UM Fan!