We are not a two qb system or team

[MICHIGAN58]

Why is Denard in the first drive of the fourth quarter. I don't understand, this is the Big ten you cannot have a QB that is no threat to throw the ball. I think the other QB (Whats his name) has done enough to be QB1.No question the games are his unless he is hurt. PLEASE stop the lets put Denard in for two plays to kill this drive Bullshit SSSSHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

[RichRodriguez]

trying to spark the offense. problem is he cant throw so defenses know he is gonna run

[Wolvrin704]

Its like the announcer said, MSU said that when DR is in they run 80% of the time so teams are going to play tendencies like that. This year they're kind of limited in what they can do with him based on QB depth and needing to get him some experience. But I'd like to ee him in there some with ate just to throw the defense off.

[Don Unverferth]

Its like the announcer said, MSU said that when DR is in they run 80% of the time so teams are going to play tendencies like that. This year they're kind of limited in what they can do with him based on QB depth and needing to get him some experience. But I'd like to ee him in there some with ate just to throw the defense off.

Do you think DR is used out of necessity as well? I mean Tate was looking very gassed in the 4th quarter against MSU, maybe it was a combo of gassed and shoulder problems. Tate badly needs a year of strength and conditioning. His body is in bad shape and there is a lot of season left, he probably won't last much longer.

[amazinblue]

Do you think DR is used out of necessity as well? I mean Tate was looking very gassed in the 4th quarter against MSU, maybe it was a combo of gassed and shoulder problems. Tate badly needs a year of strength and conditioning. His body is in bad shape and there is a lot of season left, he probably won't last much longer.

Don,

After RR read your post, I heard that RR is going to petition the NCAA to see if he can have Tate be a "retro" redshirt.

Come on guys - get real. Tate's tough. Yes, he has taken, and will continue to get hit. I think the last drive of the game - only 92 yards where he carried or threw on every play would have had any player looking for some air. Well, probably every player except TP and Boren.

Another year of S&C will help TF. But, it seems like Buckeyes are expecting that TF is going to go down for an extended period of time prior to Nov 21st, and I don't know if that's a realistic expectation.

[BBA1994]

it seems like Buckeyes are expecting that TF is going to go down for an extended period of time prior to Nov 21st, and I don't know if that's a realistic expectation.

Not a real mature expectation either, and yet very typical for a buckturd fan.

[1OSUNUT]

Robinson found out real quick that not every team sucks like Western. When he goes into the game - teams run blitz. Nobody is afraid of him throwing and he is to small to run up the middle. hHe looked real comfortable against MSU.

By the way BBA

Michigan is 4-1 - and unranked. :)

[BBA1994]

Robinson found out real quick that not every team sucks like Western. When he goes into the game - teams run blitz. Nobody is afraid of him throwing and he is to small to run up the middle. hHe looked real comfortable against MSU.

By the way BBA

Michigan is 4-1 - and unranked. :)

tuos is also 4-1 and lost to a team that lost to Washington that lost to ND that UM beat. What's your point? Swallowing too much tressy juice has clearly affected your brain function.

[Don Unverferth]

Don,

Come on guys - get real. Tate's tough. Yes, he has taken, and will continue to get hit. I think the last drive of the game - only 92 yards where he carried or threw on every play would have had any player looking for some air. Well, probably every player except TP and Boren.

Another year of S&C will help TF. But, it seems like Buckeyes are expecting that TF is going to go down for an extended period of time prior to Nov 21st, and I don't know if that's a realistic expectation.

But aren't there 10 other players in the offense going 92 yards as well? I didn't see any other drama queens on the field. It's kind of embarrassing to watch him put his hands on his knees and act like he's more tired than anyone on the field. We've seen the drama three weeks in a row now. That speaks volumes about his character. Just play the game and stop being a baby.

[amazinblue]

But aren't there 10 other players in the offense going 92 yards as well? I didn't see any other drama queens on the field. It's kind of embarrassing to watch him put his hands on his knees and act like he's more tired than anyone on the field. We've seen the drama three weeks in a row now. That speaks volumes about his character. Just play the game and stop being a baby.

Don,

Come on now - wsa your post intended to be humorous? Drama Queen? Being a baby? Calling him out on his character? Where do you get this garbage?

I think anyone with any sense of football would be able to recognize solid play by an individual - regardless of whose uniform they wear. Perhaps this is beyond you. I do think that Tate's demonstrated a great deal of poise and leadership in his short term thus far as Michigan's QB. He's not the "end all, be all" - but, he is very solid and demonstrated that he can perform under pressure - and perform well.

Please continue your assaults on this young man... it really demonstrates how much (or little) you know about the game.

P.S. I might have missed it - was Tate crying after the game?

[The Michigan Man]

Don,

Come on now - wsa your post intended to be humorous? Drama Queen? Being a baby? Calling him out on his character? Where do you get this garbage?

I think anyone with any sense of football would be able to recognize solid play by an individual - regardless of whose uniform they wear. Perhaps this is beyond you. I do think that Tate's demonstrated a great deal of poise and leadership in his short term thus far as Michigan's QB. He's not the "end all, be all" - but, he is very solid and demonstrated that he can perform under pressure - and perform well.

Please continue your assaults on this young man... it really demonstrates how much (or little) you know about the game.

P.S. I might have missed it - was Tate crying after the game?

It is painful to tUOS nation that everyone is talking about Tate and no one is talking about Pryor. Jealousy is an ugly thing.

[Don Unverferth]

Don,

Come on now - wsa your post intended to be humorous? Drama Queen? Being a baby? Calling him out on his character? Where do you get this garbage?

I think anyone with any sense of football would be able to recognize solid play by an individual - regardless of whose uniform they wear. Perhaps this is beyond you. I do think that Tate's demonstrated a great deal of poise and leadership in his short term thus far as Michigan's QB. He's not the "end all, be all" - but, he is very solid and demonstrated that he can perform under pressure - and perform well.

Please continue your assaults on this young man... it really demonstrates how much (or little) you know about the game.

P.S. I might have missed it - was Tate crying after the game?

Quite the double standard here. You can call Pryor a crybaby but Tate is exempt from criticism? We'll see what happens after Tate loses to a good team.

Look at the competion the kid has faced. The Tot has played Eastern/Central Michigan, IU, and a 1-3 MSU team. Wow. What a resume.

And his stats have been awful. Michigan had 11 total yards in the entire 3rd quarter against IU. He had 67 yards against Eastern Michigan!

If he does his " last quarter heroics" against a BCS team then I will be impressed. The kid is one love slap away from being sidelined for a year.

Yes, I recognize solid play when I see it. It just isn't coming from UM.

[The Michigan Man]

And his stats have been awful.

But did he ever get shut out without a single passing yard for an entire half? That is awful.

[amazinblue]

Quite the double standard here. You can call Pryor a crybaby but Tate is exempt from criticism? We'll see what happens after Tate loses to a good team.

Yes, I recognize solid play when I see it. It just isn't coming from UM.

Don,

I'm not calling Pryor a crybaby - and, I agree that Tate is not exempt from criticism. And, he called himself out after the game against MSU - that he made a "freshman mistake" in OT - on the play that resulted in the interception.

I guess, according to you, we'll have to wait until Michigan plays PSU to see "how good" Tate is - unless, of course, you think there are other "BCS" teams on Michigan's schedule.

[Swoosh]

Don,

I'm not calling Pryor a crybaby - and, I agree that Tate is not exempt from criticism. And, he called himself out after the game against MSU - that he made a "freshman mistake" in OT - on the play that resulted in the interception.

I guess, according to you, we'll have to wait until Michigan plays PSU to see "how good" Tate is - unless, of course, you think there are other "BCS" teams on Michigan's schedule.

Blue the Tate bashing is about one thing and one thing only, FEAR of having to face this guy the next three years:D

The reason Pryor never looks like that is because on his game ending drives he throws an INT half way there;)

[BBA1994]

Blue the Tate bashing is about one thing and one thing only, FEAR of having to face this guy the next three years:D

The reason Pryor never looks like that is because on his game ending drives he throws an INT half way there;)

Completely agree swoosh. Tate makes his share of freshman mistakes, but he has balls of iron, no fear, and makes the plays when it counts. How many QB's out there have taken their teams down field 3 times in five games and hit game winning or tying touchdown passes in the last couple of minutes. Very few (not to mention freshman QBs) have done this. Gonna be an amazing 4 years with Tate at the helm.

[Wolvrin704]

Quite the double standard here. You can call Pryor a crybaby but Tate is exempt from criticism? We'll see what happens after Tate loses to a good team.

Look at the competion the kid has faced. The Tot has played Eastern/Central Michigan, IU, and a 1-3 MSU team. Wow. What a resume.

And his stats have been awful. Michigan had 11 total yards in the entire 3rd quarter against IU. He had 67 yards against Eastern Michigan!

If he does his " last quarter heroics" against a BCS team then I will be impressed. The kid is one love slap away from being sidelined for a year.

Yes, I recognize solid play when I see it. It just isn't coming from UM.

As usual the trolls leave out anything that makes UM or player look good like Don leaving out ND in the list of teams Tate has played.

[cartyboi]

Please point to the time(s) that TP has led a team down the field in the final minute(s) to get a game winning or tying touchdown.

Please point to the number of times that Tate has done this year in his first 5 games.

All good quarterbacks lead their team down the field when they need it most.

Tim Tebow has done it, Colt McCoy has done it, Graham Harrell has done it, Sam Bradford had done it.. Hell, JIMMY FUCKING CLAUSEN has done it.

Where is TP?

[Swoosh]

Where is TP?

Crying in Tressels arms:)

[Don Unverferth]

Please point to the time(s) that TP has led a team down the field in the final minute(s) to get a game winning or tying touchdown.

Please point to the number of times that Tate has done this year in his first 5 games.

All good quarterbacks lead their team down the field when they need it most.

Tim Tebow has done it, Colt McCoy has done it, Graham Harrell has done it, Sam Bradford had done it.. Hell, JIMMY FUCKING CLAUSEN has done it.

Where is TP?

Just off the top of my head, rewind to Wisconsin last year. We've been in very few situations where the outcome of a game hinges on last minute heroics by the QB.

[cartyboi]

one..... two?

[The Michigan Man]

Please point to the number of times that Tate has done this year in his first 5 games.


TP had his opportunity against USC. 4th quarter, with 1:05 left on the clock and 65 yds to go, behind by only 3pts, TP only needed to move the ball about 30 yds to get a reasonable FG attempt. 1st play, sacked for an 18yd loss, with intentional grounding. He moved the ball 18 yds on the next 2 plays.

Then, on 4th and 10 - incomplete pass, game over. With everything on the line, he had nothing. No one will ever mistake him for Tate Forcier.

[Don Unverferth]

TP had his opportunity against USC. 4th quarter, with 1:05 left on the clock and 65 yds to go, behind by only 3pts, TP only needed to move the ball about 30 yds to get a reasonable FG attempt. 1st play, sacked for an 18yd loss, with intentional grounding. He moved the ball 18 yds on the next 2 plays.

Then, on 4th and 10 - incomplete pass, game over. With everything on the line, he had nothing. No one will ever mistake him for Tate Forcier.

And with everything on the line Tot throws the pick in the end zone while seemingly unable to catch his breath. When Tot can engineer a drive in the last minute of the game against a quality team the caliber of USC then brag. Until then you are only appearing foolish. And you're right, you won't mistake a small frail Tate for a weight trained well conditioned Pryor who's athletic ability is off the charts.

[1OSUNUT]

What you guys fail to realize is that while you guys attempt to get better - so will Ohio State. We lost a ton of talent this year and many of you thought we would be bad - that just is not true. The outstanding classes that Ohio State has been able to string together are starting to pay dividens. We will return almost the whole team next year and many of them the following year. I really don't see Michigan having a chance at beating Ohio State with or without Tate for the next 3 years.

[Don Unverferth]

What you guys fail to realize is that while you guys attempt to get better - so will Ohio State. We lost a ton of talent this year and many of you thought we would be bad - that just is not true. The outstanding classes that Ohio State has been able to string together are starting to pay dividens. We will return almost the whole team next year and many of them the following year. I really don't see Michigan having a chance at beating Ohio State with or without Tate for the next 3 years.

True freshmen that played against IU.

Johnathan Newsome
Storm Klein
John Simon
Marcus Hall
Jordan Hall
Duron Carter

[The Michigan Man]

And with everything on the line Tot throws the pick in the end zone while seemingly unable to catch his breath. When Tot can engineer a drive in the last minute of the game against a quality team the caliber of USC then brag. Until then you are only appearing foolish. And you're right, you won't mistake a small frail Tate for a weight trained well conditioned Pryor who's athletic ability is off the charts.

Yeah, its convenient to forget that Tate scored 2 clutch TDs to force OT - hahaha, you must have missed that, maybe your DVR isn't working properly?

The little guy has more heart in his little finger than the big blank-staring slack-jawed TP, who is more concerned about honoring Michael Vick with his face paint than improving his throwing mechanics. Maybe he can come up to AA in the offseason and lil' Tate can tutor him...

And little Tate doesn't cry like a little baby when he loses.

[Don Unverferth]

one..... two?

Your argument is baseless. Certainly it would not be necessary for Pryor to pull out miracle last minute drives against inferior teams like EMU, ND, WMU or MSU, and oh shoot, Indiana didn't give him a chance for heroics either.

[BBA1994]

Here's what I'd like to know from the trolls: Would tuos be a better team today with Tate Forcier as their QB?

[amazinblue]

And with everything on the line Tot throws the pick in the end zone while seemingly unable to catch his breath. When Tot can engineer a drive in the last minute of the game against a quality team the caliber of USC then brag. Until then you are only appearing foolish. And you're right, you won't mistake a small frail Tate for a weight trained well conditioned Pryor who's athletic ability is off the charts.

Don,

A couple of quick questions. One, if ND happens to defeat USC in a couple of weeks - will you believe that Michigan has beaten a "good" or BCS worthy team? And two, do you judge a player on their ability or on their results?

Without doubt, TP has tremendous athleticism - and his natural speed is quite impressive. If I were a Buckeye fan, the concerns I would have focus on one, the offensive play calling; two, TP's decision making ability; and three, his in-game execution. OSU rolls over the cupcakes and struggles against stronger teams.

We'll see what happens in Ann Arbor over the next seven weeks. Regardless of the outcome - it will be exciting. And, as I've said before - I think that this Michigan team can win any game on their schedule - and, they could also lose any game on their schedule. Your analysis of Tate Forcier "seemingly unable to catch his breath" is infantile. I expect more from someone with a nic from one of OSU's greatest signal callers of all-time.

[The Michigan Man]

Certainly it would not be necessary for Pryor to pull out miracle last minute drives against inferior teams like EMU, ND, WMU or MSU, and oh shoot, Indiana didn't give him a chance for heroics either.

What about USC? He couldn't move the ball 30 yds with the game on the line to attempt a FG - nice choke.

[Don Unverferth]

Yeah, its convenient to forget that Tate scored 2 clutch TDs to force OT - hahaha, you must have missed that, maybe your DVR isn't working properly?

The little guy has more heart in his little finger than the big blank-staring slack-jawed TP, who is more concerned about honoring Michael Vick with his face paint than improving his throwing mechanics. Maybe he can come up to AA in the offseason and lil' Tate can tutor him...

And little Tate doesn't cry like a little baby when he loses.

Whew! I sense a bit of frustration here. Tot engineers a couple touchdown drives during the game. So what? Isn't a QB supposed to do that? Pryor has numerous touchdown drives under his belt and against much better competition. Ask CMU how difficult it was to match up with MSU. Tot has led game winning drives yes but, they have come against some super soft defenses! I will take TP any day of the week over TF who has been over hyped by the loving media.

This goldbrickin' after-school special performance Tate puts on at the end of every game is getting stale. Two weeks ago, he couldn't lift his shoulder. Last Saturday, I wondered if he might die on the field, he was huffing and puffing and wincing so bad on that last drive.

This weekends game against Iowa will be interesting to watch. We'll see how TF does with a stronger defensive front to deal with.

[1OSUNUT]

As well as you guys think Tate is - RR would kick him to the curb so fast for TP your head would spin. He cannot run his offense like he wants because Tate is fragile. TP is 6'6 240 and can take a shot, stiff arm defenders and break tackles - Tate cannot do any of that. He is a good enough passer to run the RR system.

[The Michigan Man]

This goldbrickin' after-school special performance Tate puts on at the end of every game is getting stale. Two weeks ago, he couldn't lift his shoulder. Last Saturday, I wondered if he might die on the field, he was huffing and puffing and wincing so bad on that last drive.

Playing big in big games gasses you - did TP even have to wash his jersey after the USC game? He was probably fresh as a daisy after his lack of effort to move his team to within FG distance - damn, he didn't heven have to find the end zone, just get them a few yards into USC territory. What a hero.

[BBA1994]

Playing big in big games gasses you - did TP even have to wash his jersey after the USC game? He was probably fresh as a daisy after his lack of effort to move his team to within FG distance - damn, he didn't heven have to find the end zone, just get them a few yards into USC territory. What a hero.

That's what cracks me up about these buckturds. TP has all the talent in the world to be the best damn WR in the country but he has no heart. He can't take a hit, and even worse he refuses to take a hit. Leading a team on a game winning drive is about heart more than talent. Clearly TP tin man has no heart whereas Tate the Great has more than he knows what to do with.

[RADRACING]

RR's still tinkering with the team and Offense, trying to figure what will work best. It may take another year or two, maybe even three,till he has all the pieces figured out and people he wants worked into the system depth wise.

[cartyboi]

Ha! Bench Tate for TP.. What a joke.

How about the late game heroics against Penn State last year? Pryor needs half a yard for a first down and instead of using his huge body to push the pile, he tries to run around the end and gets the ball knocked out of his hand where PSU recovers and scores. What happened there? Godlike athletic ability? At least he was the number one QB recruited in his class.. that's something to brag about.

[1OSUNUT]

He won a Big Ten Championship as a freshman - will Tate ?

You measure greatness with championships not heroics against subpar teams.

[FLex500]

He won a Big Ten Championship as a freshman - will Tate ?

You measure greatness with championships not heroics against subpar teams.
you know football better than that Nut...

OSU won the big ten title in SPITE of TP not because of him. there is a HUGE...HUGE....difference between the two

[cartyboi]

He won a Big Ten Championship as a freshman - will Tate ?

You measure greatness with championships not heroics against subpar teams.

He shared a Big Ten title. And Penn State beat OSU in columbus.. And lost your bowl game. Way to go though... I guess you're going to turn Pryor into this generation's Dan Marino.

[Gobluerebirth]

But aren't there 10 other players in the offense going 92 yards as well? I didn't see any other drama queens on the field. It's kind of embarrassing to watch him put his hands on his knees and act like he's more tired than anyone on the field. We've seen the drama three weeks in a row now. That speaks volumes about his character. Just play the game and stop being a baby.

I couldn't read the rest had to respond. He's 19. Fresh out of High School, how would you feel if you led a drive with NO timeouts with UNDER 2 minutes left ALL THE WAY DOWN THE FIELD. You're fucking ignorant.

[Gobluerebirth]

Nut has said that point like 3 times in 1 million different threads. It still doesn't work nutjob. Beanie won you the Big 10. Even though he played half the season. And the D, but I guess it was ALL Pryor. Do you know how to think?

[Don Unverferth]

I couldn't read the rest had to respond. He's 19. Fresh out of High School, how would you feel if you led a drive with NO timeouts with UNDER 2 minutes left ALL THE WAY DOWN THE FIELD. You're fucking ignorant.

Yet Pryor has been trashed here continually, this year and last. But that's OK with everyone? Last I checked Pryor is still a teenager as well. Pryor leads his team every week to victories. Just because he's not forced into last minute heroics somehow makes the playing field different? The double standard here is amazing.

[BBA1994]

Yet Pryor has been trashed here continually, this year and last. But that's OK with everyone? Last I checked Pryor is still a teenager as well. Pryor leads his team every week to victories. Just because he's not forced into last minute heroics somehow makes the playing field different? The double standard here is amazing.

TP has had his opportunities to lead the nutz downfield for a win/tie at the end of a game and he hasn't been able to do it, not even close.

Tate Forcier has done it every single time he's had to. That's a great leader.

[Don Unverferth]

Don,

A couple of quick questions. One, if ND happens to defeat USC in a couple of weeks - will you believe that Michigan has beaten a "good" or BCS worthy team? And two, do you judge a player on their ability or on their results?


Care to make a wager on the ND/ USC game? USC owns ND. ND is arguably the worst 4-1 team in he country. The Irish beat Michigan State only after Cousins overthrew a wide-open receiver in the end zone one play before he threw a game-clinching interception. They beat Purdue on a scintillating final drive made easier thanks to an inexplicable timeout by rookie head coach Danny Hope. Against Washington, they were about six inches and a questionable decision by Sarkisian away from losing.

Notre Dame is more lucky than good.

You should judge a player on ability and results. Only at Ohio State do you see a QB throw for 3 touchdown passes in the first half, and run for one in the second....and still you have people questioning his ability.

Also, just wanted to point out that MSU has the worst pass defense and pass efficiency defense in the B10.



We'll see what happens in Ann Arbor over the next seven weeks. Regardless of the outcome - it will be exciting. And, as I've said before - I think that this Michigan team can win any game on their schedule - and, they could also lose any game on their schedule. Your analysis of Tate Forcier "seemingly unable to catch his breath" is infantile. I expect more from someone with a nic from one of OSU's greatest signal callers of all-time.

Was I the only one watching the game? Wasn't Tate Gassed? Give me a break, how can it be infantile when stating the facts??

[Swoosh]

Yet Pryor has been trashed here continually, this year and last. But that's OK with everyone? Last I checked Pryor is still a teenager as well. Pryor leads his team every week to victories. Just because he's not forced into last minute heroics somehow makes the playing field different? The double standard here is amazing.

It's a MI site door knob:eek:

Go to an Ohio site if you want TP to get some love.

[1OSUNUT]

Barwis needs to work on Tate's conditioning - he was gassed at the end of the game. I'm not sure I would be bragging that Tate has led his team downfield or had to rally to win against the teams you have played so far. Plus he has not done it every week. This week against the first sample of defense he has seen all year - he threw a pick that ended any chance Michigan had at winning. He also threw what might have been the worst throw I have ever seen on second down. The only reason why that ill advised pass was not picked off was because both teams were in shock that Tate would throw a ball that was that lame.

I want to see how much your bragging about Tate after he plays Iowa and PSU. I have noticed how many of you have cooled off about Robinson. I thought you guys had a double headed QB attack ? Looks like D-Rob has found out that you need a bit more then speed to play this game and not everybody will stand back and watch you run like Western did. That guy needs to be converted to WR or RB now. He cannot throw and he cannot get away from the run blitz when he comes in. People were worried he would run out of his shoes - saturday he was sacked out of his shoe. I cannot wait untill Gardner de-commits and your stuck with fragile Tate and D-Rod.

[BBA1994]

I don't understand why nutsack is so concerned about UM. I detect a little green-eyed monster. UM on the way up with an incredible set of freshmen QBs already better than pryor. Fear is the only reason nutsack is here poppin' off. Got to get his jabs in before 11/21 because he knows it's all over then. Enjoy your tressicle nutsack because it's all downhill for you.

[The Michigan Man]

He also threw what might have been the worst throw I have ever seen on second down. The only reason why that ill advised pass was not picked off was because both teams were in shock that Tate would throw a ball that was that lame.

Actually the pass that Pryor threw (intentional grounding) in the final moments of the USC game was much worse - and he isn't a freshman anymore (or small), what is his problem?

[cartyboi]

What nut fails to acknowledge is the fact that Tate led his team to TWO touchdowns in the last five minutes to force overtime. If they big bad buckeyes are in the same situation, they roll over and start making excuses. Every quarterback throws interceptions. TP does too. Just ask USC. TP is USC's best player

[Wolvrin704]

Actually the pass that Pryor threw (intentional grounding) in the final moments of the USC game was much worse - and he isn't a freshman anymore (or small), what is his problem?

That pass by TP was horrible. Threw it inside while his WR was going outside, another bad pass under pressure. Against a top D there would have been more of those as TP made many bad passes that should have been up for grabs.

[Swoosh]

Barwis needs to work on Tate's conditioning - he was gassed at the end of the game. I'm not sure I would be bragging that Tate has led his team downfield or had to rally to win against the teams you have played so far. Plus he has not done it every week. This week against the first sample of defense he has seen all year - he threw a pick that ended any chance Michigan had at winning. He also threw what might have been the worst throw I have ever seen on second down. The only reason why that ill advised pass was not picked off was because both teams were in shock that Tate would throw a ball that was that lame.

I want to see how much your bragging about Tate after he plays Iowa and PSU. I have noticed how many of you have cooled off about Robinson. I thought you guys had a double headed QB attack ? Looks like D-Rob has found out that you need a bit more then speed to play this game and not everybody will stand back and watch you run like Western did. That guy needs to be converted to WR or RB now. He cannot throw and he cannot get away from the run blitz when he comes in. People were worried he would run out of his shoes - saturday he was sacked out of his shoe. I cannot wait untill Gardner de-commits and your stuck with fragile Tate and D-Rod.

Go watch his highlight real, he can throw better than noodle arm:D If you had a brain you would know Pyror was pretty much handled like D-Rob the first few games.

I am not worried at all about D-Rob;) I will agree he needs the ball more in open space.

[1OSUNUT]

I highly doubt Tate has a stronger arm then TP. He threw some lazers on Saturday - arm strength is not an issue.

BBA -

An incredible set of freshman QB's - your on drugs. On can only run (when he plays poor teams) and one is starting to struggle against stiffer competition. Where was Tate for the first 3 and half quarters ? getting his ass kicked - that's where. TP is playing with a lead so he does not need to have late game heroics week in and week out. This week the Wolverines luck ran out - like it will many more times this year. Michigan is overall a mediocre team who had to schedule a bunch od cupcakes so they would not dulicate their 3-9 record from a year ago. A loss to MSU, Iowa and PSU will be off set by a victory over Delaware State in the next few weeks - pathetic for the once mighty Wolverines.

[BBA1994]

Nut is getting even more paranoid and defensive than usual. Nut is a typical buckturd that is terrified of the progress UM is making under one of the best offensive minds in the game. Challenge for the B10 title next year and an NC in 2011 while the buckturds watch their slow demise. Reminds me of 4 years ago watching UM's slow demise under Carr. Plus all these buckturds hanging their hopes on their non-QB pryor with nothing, absolutely nothing coming in behind him. When will they even get another decent QB recruit? Cuz this one sure isn't working out.

[The Michigan Man]

I highly doubt Tate has a stronger arm then TP. He threw some lazers on Saturday - arm strength is not an issue.

BBA -

An incredible set of freshman QB's - your on drugs. On can only run (when he plays poor teams) and one is starting to struggle against stiffer competition. Where was Tate for the first 3 and half quarters ? getting his ass kicked - that's where. TP is playing with a lead so he does not need to have late game heroics week in and week out. This week the Wolverines luck ran out - like it will many more times this year. Michigan is overall a mediocre team who had to schedule a bunch od cupcakes so they would not dulicate their 3-9 record from a year ago. A loss to MSU, Iowa and PSU will be off set by a victory over Delaware State in the next few weeks - pathetic for the once mighty Wolverines.

Cupcakes? tUOS played Toledo, blew them out, and DROPPED in the ratings. Navy is a team of players that will be serving in uniform on boats and subs in a few years, not playing in the NFL.

I know you tUOS fans, who inexplicably have only managed 1 rivalry in its 100+ year history, don't understand that ND and MSU are very tough rivalry games. The only rival you have is Michigan, the rest of your schedule is emotionless, business-like, pedestrian games.

And if you played ND, you would consider it a huge game, just like you did when you played them in a bowl game a few years ago. You're just trying to take shots at ND because they are on Michigan's schedule, Trolling 101.

[amazinblue]

I highly doubt Tate has a stronger arm then TP. He threw some lazers on Saturday - arm strength is not an issue.

Nut,

You are correct again - arm strength should not be an issue for QB's - but, a balance of velocity, accuracy, decision making, release, and timing.

I may concede that TP has a "stronger arm" than Tate - which really means he can throw the ball harder or faster that TF. However, I do belive that Tate excels in the other areas - which you may consider "minor" for a QB - accuracy, decision making, a quicker release, and better timing.

Here's to TP - I hope he breaks the sound barrier (or maybe even the speed of light) throwing those lasers at your sure-handed receivers.

As I re-read what you wrote - perhaps lazer (as in a lazy, moon ball type throw) instead of laser would be the better way to describe the way TP throws the ball. Once again, you've enlightened me. Thanks Nut - now, why don't you go and hook up with Rad...

[1OSUNUT]

Nut is getting even more paranoid and defensive than usual. Nut is a typical buckturd that is terrified of the progress UM is making under one of the best offensive minds in the game. Challenge for the B10 title next year and an NC in 2011 while the buckturds watch their slow demise. Reminds me of 4 years ago watching UM's slow demise under Carr. Plus all these buckturds hanging their hopes on their non-QB pryor with nothing, absolutely nothing coming in behind him. When will they even get another decent QB recruit? Cuz this one sure isn't working out.

BBA -

All I keep hearing about is this great offensive mind. I don't see anything so great coming from him ? Did Michigan fool Indiana or MSU with anything ? NO

Please tell me how your going to contend for anything with that defense. Please try to give me an honest answer - because I don't think you can. Michigan has serious problems on defense that have been wxposed against Indiana and MSU - not exactly Texas or Florida. How would you possibly beat a team of that caliber ? Those teams have defenses that would abuse the undersized linemen you have and shut down that offense that only managed 27 yards rushing against MSU. Untill RR addresses the defense (which will take years) you will not win a thing - period.

[BBA1994]

I have never said UM would win or even contend for a B10 title this year, the reason being said defense. I do know that UM is 4-1 along with your mighty bucknutz and even beat a team that beat UW that beat USC which beat your might bucknutz. In fact, I believe RR will never develop a tops-in-the-nation defense. In fact I suspect that once RR gets things rolling on the defensive side he will always have a defense that finishes 3rd or 4th in the B10. But I also believe with RR's offense he can win B10 titles and national titles with only a decent defense. Face it nut, UM had their worst offensive game of the season on the road against their in-state rival and still took it to OT. The fear in you is just overflowing. You used to just come on here to gloat, now it's evident that you're just a buckturd trying to hang on to old school B10 football at the shoehorn. Enjoy your ride to mediocrity whilst UM passes you by.

[amazinblue]

... not exactly Texas or Florida. How would you possibly beat a team of that caliber ?

Nut,

Another great post - this one reminded me of a Seinfeld episode when George decides to answer every question the "opposite" of the way he thought he should. Looking at this scenario - we should just ask Tressel - how he prepared for Florida and Texas - since, if we do the exact opposite of what JT was doing - we'd win... (Obviously, neither JT nor OSU has any clue about how to defeat a team like Texas or Florida, and we could probably add USC to that list as well.)

Oh, I know there's a line you must use often from that episode - I think it goes like this..."Hi, My name's Nut - I'm unemployed and live with my parents."

[cartyboi]

I highly doubt Tate has a stronger arm then TP. He threw some lazers on Saturday - arm strength is not an issue.

You're right. Having a strong arm is extremely important.

Just ask Jamarcus Russell.