My concern? Beaver GONE

[AlwaysBlue]

Beaver commits to Tulsa. TULSA. So, this offseason, people have chosen Central Florida, Tulsa and plenty others over UM.

Not sure that RR is a scumbag like some say, but somethings going on. The fact is, ND had a horrible year 2 years ago and didn't have this kind of attrition... Bama sucked and we saw what they just did.

Things just keep going wrong. Coming in with just ONE dual threat is a big deal. Not sure if its cus beaver thought he couldn't compete, or if (hopefully) its cus MIchigan found another guy to replace him (the guy from auburn etc..) and told him he's more of an athlete and not a QB.

Either way... wtf.

[Inflames]

This one is a shock, I thought we had him locked. He was going to enroll early too. Not sure what could have happened. If he did go elsewhere due to competition coming in then he wasn't the best fit for Michigan anyway. We need kids that want to come in and earn their way onto the field through competition.

Remember.....Those that stay will be Champions.

[MAIZEandBLUEsuedeshoes]

I'm not sure if I like this "competition" thing as much as everyone else. Yes, it does bring out the best, but when 2 or 3 guys are playing running back or a certain position--- in my opinion, not 100% sure though, it gets in the way of rythym.....
Maybe these guys want to play the whole game or most of it.... superstar??

[AlwaysBlue]

This one is a shock, I thought we had him locked. He was going to enroll early too. Not sure what could have happened. If he did go elsewhere due to competition coming in then he wasn't the best fit for Michigan anyway. We need kids that want to come in and earn their way onto the field through competition.

Remember.....Those that stay will be Champions.

I agree.. but at some point.. its gotta be something else. Yes, those that stay, will be champions. But you'd think that a guy that many people didn't project to play QB at all (more of a project) at least for a while who was given the chance to come to Michigan and START would want nothing more. But he did.. he wanted.. Tulsa.

Apparently it was so his mom could watch his games. Thats a farce. She could have seen him on tv every F*KING week.

It concerns me that on the list of guys who should want to come and step in right away and play (dual threat QBs), the only one who is really high on us at this point is forcier... the #8 (or 6) on rivals.

Its looking more and more like we're heading towards threet/sheridan next year. Wonder if feagin got better? I know everyone says forcier can come right in, but... if he gets thrown around, its often tough for QBs to get past that. He shouldnt be thrown to the wolves if the rest can support. And thats another reason why we want 2 guys.. so that in 2 years, we have a growing crop of options.. not just one option that we pray is great and pray never gets hurt

[elno lewis]

Ain't no thang. Tate the great will be here in a few weeks.

[Inflames]

I agree.. but at some point.. its gotta be something else. Yes, those that stay, will be champions. But you'd think that a guy that many people didn't project to play QB at all (more of a project) at least for a while who was given the chance to come to Michigan and START would want nothing more. But he did.. he wanted.. Tulsa.

Apparently it was so his mom could watch his games. Thats a farce. She could have seen him on tv every F*KING week.

It concerns me that on the list of guys who should want to come and step in right away and play (dual threat QBs), the only one who is really high on us at this point is forcier... the #8 (or 6) on rivals.

Its looking more and more like we're heading towards threet/sheridan next year. Wonder if feagin got better? I know everyone says forcier can come right in, but... if he gets thrown around, its often tough for QBs to get past that. He shouldnt be thrown to the wolves if the rest can support. And thats another reason why we want 2 guys.. so that in 2 years, we have a growing crop of options.. not just one option that we pray is great and pray never gets hurt

Good post and I agree. I just cant jump on this kid for making a choice that he feels is best for him and his family. Dont get me wrong its a let down for sure.

I am just afraid that in the short time that RR has been here and everything with the WV lawsuit, Boren (family values), and the 3-9 season people are going to start thinking there is a rat in the Big House and blame the new coach and his staff. This maybe just as simple as he actually did want his mom there to see him. Who knows?

I see your point about having more than one option and you could not be more correct with that. I remember watching Feagin take some in game snaps and thought he did good. Lets hope he got better and with Tate coming in we will have the begining of a growing crop.

[GoDeepHammer]

I have no issue with kids change from commitment to decommit, but give me a break. Let's wait until the week before and then decommit, that is ridicules. I don’t understand why kids do this, it makes no sense.

[goblue]

This does concern me that as of now we only got one dual threat qb coming in. And if he gets hurt or takes another year or two before he's ready then what?

I don't know if I can handle watching Michigan with Threet or Sheridan starting again. Too painful to watch.

[bigboyBlue]

What the hell happened? Say what you want about them being kids and all, but just a day or two ago Beaver had an interview with Rivals emphatically talking about coming down. Just refuse to fucking talk man, that'll give us a hint.

But seriously, freakin Tulsa? What gives? Even Texas Tech or TCU would have been a better deal. Did they gaurantee him the starting job or something?

I think we are seeing the high number of decommits we are seeing are more a result of excessive southern recruiting by this coaching staff than any indication of rats in the Big House. Kids don't want to go too far.

Sigh, so, who's next? Is Boyd still available? Or can Newsome switch AGAIN?

[primetime101]

1st off-threet nor sheridan will ever step on the field for the university of michigan again barring injuries
2nd off-we wil prolly put the full court press on denard robinson the QB/DB from FL

[AlwaysBlue]

1st off-threet nor sheridan will ever step on the field for the university of michigan again barring injuries
2nd off-we wil prolly put the full court press on denard robinson the QB/DB from FL

Putting the press on Denard robinson doesn't mean he's going to come here... any more than any of the other non-tate forcier QBs.

im not saying that tate wont be a great UM QB. i hope he is, but im talking about depth here.

threet or sheridan may very well be QB next year.. i think we'd all agree that pryor being unable to unseat krenzel part 2 .. would show how hard it is to come in day 1.

id rather sacrifice a couple games next year with threet/sherdian to make SURE that forcier is ready .. than throw him out there.. mcguffie style.. and have him get the sh* beat out of him... cus rest assured.. the big 10 will make him suffer if he's not physically ready.

but my concern is the sudden change.. and the lack of depth.. shouldnt dual threat QBs be JUMPING to come to play for RR at UM? why arent they?

[Inflames]

This is an honest question, not a sacastic one. What has it been like in the past with decommits? Is this a new pattern emerging with last minute changes of heart, or have we had this in the past and its just more exposed now?

[AlwaysBlue]

This is an honest question, not a sacastic one. What has it been like in the past with decommits? Is this a new pattern emerging with last minute changes of heart, or have we had this in the past and its just more exposed now?

check out mgoblog.com. someone on there addresses that exact question. i forget which article on the right side.. probably the "Decommits" one.

I think that its more of note this year for us... because...

1. it has been more than before
2. we have so many holes on this team that every loss feels like a bigger deal.
3. we had the worst season in history and every little thing that goes wrong seems like its piling on.

[tpilews]

Putting the press on Denard robinson doesn't mean he's going to come here... any more than any of the other non-tate forcier QBs.

im not saying that tate wont be a great UM QB. i hope he is, but im talking about depth here.

threet or sheridan may very well be QB next year.. i think we'd all agree that pryor being unable to unseat krenzel part 2 .. would show how hard it is to come in day 1.

id rather sacrifice a couple games next year with threet/sherdian to make SURE that forcier is ready .. than throw him out there.. mcguffie style.. and have him get the sh* beat out of him... cus rest assured.. the big 10 will make him suffer if he's not physically ready.

but my concern is the sudden change.. and the lack of depth.. shouldnt dual threat QBs be JUMPING to come to play for RR at UM? why arent they?

There are other options out there. Also, your comparison to Pryor might be valid had Pryor enrolled early and had an extra 6 months of practice/lifting/coaching to prepare for the season.

No way is Threet/Sheridan going to see the field next year unless Tate and whoever go down.

Stallworth is still an option. Don't know how good of a qb he could be. As others have said there are still other recruits available. Boyd, Rollison, Robinson.

[MAIZEandBLUEsuedeshoes]

As of right now---we have Threet, Sheridan, Feagin, and Forcier battling for QB.........I think that is all we have. I wish Tate Forcier and everyone else on the team the best of health.

[ScriptOhio]

How many decommits has Michigan had? How funny would it be if Forcier transfers?

[AlwaysBlue]

How many decommits has Michigan had? How funny would it be if Forcier transfers?

it might be funny. but id still rather have my degree than the pizza-cutting degree from OSU. ass.

[Rockie]

The Ice storm hit Ohio and I wasn't able to get on the internet till about Midnight. First off, I wonder if there is negitive recruiting going aginst Michigan from say like Mallet and Mcguffie? Second, I know how much you guys are upset with this, but how much was Beaver going to play in 09? I mean, there were reports from Sam on WTKA that Beaver because of his shoulder injury, may even redshirt this year. This probably puts us in better shape for Denard Robinson and the Boyd kid that committed to West Virginia and to Tennessee this year and Devin Gardner next year. There is a good shot that we could land both and than we would all be saying, remember that Beaver kid? Also, Robinson can probably help us this year and you know Boyd could also. Beaver couldn't this spring because of the injury and there reports that he was going to be switched to wr.. I guess by saying time will tell, but really is the glass half empty or half full? I beleive the glass is half full because I would rather Beaver leave now than say May or December and we lose out on Robinson or Boyd. I wish Beaver well, I will never fault a kid for choosing where to spend the next four-five years of his life to better himself. In the end, it was probably a combination of negitive recruiting, girlfriend, Mom and wanting to be a big fish in a small pond.

[jinfant3]

Why not? De-commited from two schools, first one being WVU, so you have to think Rodriguez was involved in his recruitment when he was at WVU being that kids are usually being recruited a couple years in advance of their senior year. Rodriguez has a better product to sell this time.

[bigboyBlue]

Call me a whiner, but I still cannot get over this Tulsa business. And WTF is the deal with his MOM calling the UM coaches to inform them? Grow a pair kid.

[Inflames]

check out mgoblog.com. someone on there addresses that exact question. i forget which article on the right side.. probably the "Decommits" one.

I think that its more of note this year for us... because...

1. it has been more than before
2. we have so many holes on this team that every loss feels like a bigger deal.
3. we had the worst season in history and every little thing that goes wrong seems like its piling on.

I will check that out....thanks.

[Bossgobbler23]

There are other options out there. Also, your comparison to Pryor might be valid had Pryor enrolled early and had an extra 6 months of practice/lifting/coaching to prepare for the season.

No way is Threet/Sheridan going to see the field next year unless Tate and whoever go down.

Stallworth is still an option. Don't know how good of a qb he could be. As others have said there are still other recruits available. Boyd, Rollison, Robinson.

I think we go after Boyd hard! He is running out of options. Does he really want to sit behind Pryor for 3 years? Boyd has GREAT up side. I think Eugene Smith committed to WV. I guess the bright side is that this will help with the recruiting of the other multi-postion athletes like Robinson as well but I'd like to see two good dedicated QB's in this class.
Again, this is why we need an early signing period. This is getting rediculous. I think the vultures out there smell blood and they are targeting U-M.

[RealSchool]

I think we should quit going after momma boy thumb suckers like Mallet, Sam and Beaver.

[Rockie]

I think we should quit going after momma boy thumb suckers like Mallet, Sam and Beaver.

sam's situation is different, but that is just my opinion. When you have a death in the family, that changes the dynamics of the whole situation. Wasn't it at signing day he said "he hated being here?" Some kids get home sick for Mom, friends and the family dog.

[AlwaysBlue]

The Ice storm hit Ohio and I wasn't able to get on the internet till about Midnight. First off, I wonder if there is negitive recruiting going aginst Michigan from say like Mallet and Mcguffie? Second, I know how much you guys are upset with this, but how much was Beaver going to play in 09? I mean, there were reports from Sam on WTKA that Beaver because of his shoulder injury, may even redshirt this year. This probably puts us in better shape for Denard Robinson and the Boyd kid that committed to West Virginia and to Tennessee this year and Devin Gardner next year. There is a good shot that we could land both and than we would all be saying, remember that Beaver kid? Also, Robinson can probably help us this year and you know Boyd could also. Beaver couldn't this spring because of the injury and there reports that he was going to be switched to wr.. I guess by saying time will tell, but really is the glass half empty or half full? I beleive the glass is half full because I would rather Beaver leave now than say May or December and we lose out on Robinson or Boyd. I wish Beaver well, I will never fault a kid for choosing where to spend the next four-five years of his life to better himself. In the end, it was probably a combination of negitive recruiting, girlfriend, Mom and wanting to be a big fish in a small pond.

I understand that having extra QBs isnt that useful if the top 1-2 are great and healthy. But, when we have beaver and forcier, everyone was excited and content with the class. To lose one is a big deal if for no other reason than depth. When we had both, nobody said.. why are we getting beaver.. his injury is gona hurt etc... and he wont be ready to play. So, now that we lose him, i dont think we can pull the typical "oh he sucked anyway" crap out.

And, yes, its not a big deal if we fill his spot.. but this is really looking bad for UM. Guys are decommitting on a daily basis.

and when the F* are we getting a DC?

[Run The Ball]

Beaver commits to Tulsa. TULSA. So, this offseason, people have chosen Central Florida, Tulsa and plenty others over UM.

Not sure that RR is a scumbag like some say, but somethings going on. The fact is, ND had a horrible year 2 years ago and didn't have this kind of attrition... Bama sucked and we saw what they just did.

Things just keep going wrong. Coming in with just ONE dual threat is a big deal. Not sure if its cus beaver thought he couldn't compete, or if (hopefully) its cus MIchigan found another guy to replace him (the guy from auburn etc..) and told him he's more of an athlete and not a QB.

Either way... wtf.


Relax, don't worry. Remember, this is Michigan, and we don't fire coaches, we just support them. Give DikRod another 8-10 years to get his name out there and it's all good, IMO. We did get three wins last year, and four or five more years we can be looking down the barrel of a Motor City Bowl invitation, which is just like another home game. Besides, since MAC schools are now going to be scheduling us for their homecoming games, we will have quality film to prepare for the clash in Detroit.

In the meantime, just remind yourself that in the end, WE"RE ALL WINNERS!!!!

[Sten Carlson]

YOU'RE A DOUCHE BAG, RTB...and I have a picture of you to prove it!

RTB on his way out on Friday evening!

[Run The Ball]

YOU'RE A DOUCHE BAG, RTB...and I have a picture of you to prove it!

RTB on his way out on Friday evening!


"Hi! I'm Sten, will you be my Michigan friend?"
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[1OSUNUT]

Nobody on this site is on the RR tip more then Sten. He always makes it sound like everything RR is doing is perfect. Rr is building this super unstoppable football machine that will run rough shot over college football. He makes it sound like RR is the only guy recruiting or getting studs to come to his program. Well I hate to burst your bubble but teams all over the country are getting great players - some (a lot) are even getting players better then Michigan. Michigan won't even have the best recruiting class in it's own conference.

After watching the product RR put on the field this year and their lack of improvement thoughout the season, Michigan fans should be concerned. If you think the world will be perfect and things will just click with the addition of a freshman QB - your wrong. As Buckeye fans can tell you first hand freshmen QB's need to be handled with kids gloves. You are limited to what you can have them do. They are fragile and need to be put in a position to suceed other wise it can effect them for years. TP is a perfect example. He was not given the full playbook because a player has to grow in confidence and ability before he can run the offense wide open - and he is a special player. To think RR will plug in a freshman QB and Michigan will just take off and win is on the verge of insane.

People who watched Michigan play this year (me included) wonder what RR is teaching the kids. The defense was horrible all year and there never seemed to be any adjustments on either side of the ball to stop the bleeding. I would not be surprised in the least if Michigan has a repeat performance next year. Then what will be the excuse Sten ? We had a freshman QB this year, just give RR time. I agree that he needs time but don't just keep brushing event after event under the rug without giving them any thought. De-commits, kids leaving, coaches resigning after a year, etc are all signs of problems. If a kid leaves or de-commits he all of a sudden sucks and you did not need him. Last year it was McGuffie this McGuffie that - now you guys will be just fine without him. TP sucked after he spurned RR. Boren was a loser for leaving the program - God knows you needed him this year - and so on.

Maybe you need to get your head out of RR's ass long enough to breath some fresh air and then maybe you will realize that things are not peachy in AA. Michigan is a long way away from being a good team. In fact they are a lot closer to becoming another Nebraska then they are to becoming Ohio State.

[GoDeepHammer]

Nobody on this site is on the RR tip more then Sten. He always makes it sound like everything RR is doing is perfect. Rr is building this super unstoppable football machine that will run rough shot over college football. He makes it sound like RR is the only guy recruiting or getting studs to come to his program. Well I hate to burst your bubble but teams all over the country are getting great players - some (a lot) are even getting players better then Michigan. Michigan won't even have the best recruiting class in it's own conference.

After watching the product RR put on the field this year and their lack of improvement thoughout the season, Michigan fans should be concerned. If you think the world will be perfect and things will just click with the addition of a freshman QB - your wrong. As Buckeye fans can tell you first hand freshmen QB's need to be handled with kids gloves. You are limited to what you can have them do. They are fragile and need to be put in a position to suceed other wise it can effect them for years. TP is a perfect example. He was not given the full playbook because a player has to grow in confidence and ability before he can run the offense wide open - and he is a special player. To think RR will plug in a freshman QB and Michigan will just take off and win is on the verge of insane.

People who watched Michigan play this year (me included) wonder what RR is teaching the kids. The defense was horrible all year and there never seemed to be any adjustments on either side of the ball to stop the bleeding. I would not be surprised in the least if Michigan has a repeat performance next year. Then what will be the excuse Sten ? We had a freshman QB this year, just give RR time. I agree that he needs time but don't just keep brushing event after event under the rug without giving them any thought. De-commits, kids leaving, coaches resigning after a year, etc are all signs of problems. If a kid leaves or de-commits he all of a sudden sucks and you did not need him. Last year it was McGuffie this McGuffie that - now you guys will be just fine without him. TP sucked after he spurned RR. Boren was a loser for leaving the program - God knows you needed him this year - and so on.

Maybe you need to get your head out of RR's ass long enough to breath some fresh air and then maybe you will realize that things are not peachy in AA. Michigan is a long way away from being a good team. In fact they are a lot closer to becoming another Nebraska then they are to becoming Ohio State.


Why do you care what happens at Michigan? You are back to being the dick that you have always been. Maybe you just need to go back to the osu section and leave the Michigan post to us.

[GoDeepHammer]

Relax, don't worry. Remember, this is Michigan, and we don't fire coaches, we just support them. Give DikRod another 8-10 years to get his name out there and it's all good, IMO. We did get three wins last year, and four or five more years we can be looking down the barrel of a Motor City Bowl invitation, which is just like another home game. Besides, since MAC schools are now going to be scheduling us for their homecoming games, we will have quality film to prepare for the clash in Detroit.

In the meantime, just remind yourself that in the end, WE"RE ALL WINNERS!!!!

You’re an asshole, who on this site has said anything about 8-10 years? I think that everyone here has said that he should have the opportunity to field his team.

Why don't you go support another team, as you don't like what is going on at Michigan. The athletic staff as the rest of us, could give two shits what you think of the state of the program.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

Relax, don't worry. Remember, this is Michigan, and we don't fire coaches, we just support them. Give DikRod another 8-10 years to get his name out there and it's all good, IMO. We did get three wins last year, and four or five more years we can be looking down the barrel of a Motor City Bowl invitation, which is just like another home game. Besides, since MAC schools are now going to be scheduling us for their homecoming games, we will have quality film to prepare for the clash in Detroit.

In the meantime, just remind yourself that in the end, WE"RE ALL WINNERS!!!!

why do you waste your time here if you're not a michigan fan? you think you are stirring the pot or whatever but you're really just an idiot who looks for the negative in EVERYTHING U-M does. get a job you worthless pile of shit.

that goes for osunut too. osunut, you're not an expert, your just some dude with too much time on his hands.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

In fact they are a lot closer to becoming another Nebraska then they are to becoming Ohio State.

thank god.
the last thing i want is for michigan to become Ohio State. Feared by the Northwestern's of the World and laughed at by the big time programs. yea, i'm thinking thats what all U-M fans want.

you're such a retard. yea, we don't want to be Florida, USC, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma or Alabama, we'd like to be more like an OSU team that couldn't even stay on the same field as those teams.

oh and furthermore, i could definitely see Nebraska beating Ohio State THIS YEAR, so get off your fucking high horse as the best in a shitty conference.

[Sten Carlson]

Nobody on this site is on the RR tip more then Sten. He always makes it sound like everything RR is doing is perfect. Rr is building this super unstoppable football machine that will run rough shot over college football. He makes it sound like RR is the only guy recruiting or getting studs to come to his program. Well I hate to burst your bubble but teams all over the country are getting great players - some (a lot) are even getting players better then Michigan. Michigan won't even have the best recruiting class in it's own conference.

After watching the product RR put on the field this year and their lack of improvement thoughout the season, Michigan fans should be concerned. If you think the world will be perfect and things will just click with the addition of a freshman QB - your wrong. As Buckeye fans can tell you first hand freshmen QB's need to be handled with kids gloves. You are limited to what you can have them do. They are fragile and need to be put in a position to suceed other wise it can effect them for years. TP is a perfect example. He was not given the full playbook because a player has to grow in confidence and ability before he can run the offense wide open - and he is a special player. To think RR will plug in a freshman QB and Michigan will just take off and win is on the verge of insane.

People who watched Michigan play this year (me included) wonder what RR is teaching the kids. The defense was horrible all year and there never seemed to be any adjustments on either side of the ball to stop the bleeding. I would not be surprised in the least if Michigan has a repeat performance next year. Then what will be the excuse Sten ? We had a freshman QB this year, just give RR time. I agree that he needs time but don't just keep brushing event after event under the rug without giving them any thought. De-commits, kids leaving, coaches resigning after a year, etc are all signs of problems. If a kid leaves or de-commits he all of a suden sucks and you did not need him. Last year it was McGuffie this McGuffie that - now you guys will be just fine without him. TP sucked after he spurned RR. Boren was a loser for leaving the program - God knows you needed him this year - and so on.

Maybe you need to get your head out of RR's ass long enough to breath some fresh air and then maybe you will realize that things are not peachy in AA. Michigan is a long way away from being a good team. In fact they are a lot closer to becoming another Nebraska then they are to becoming Ohio State.

First of all, don't flatter yourself, OSU sucks and has been an annoying "luck-in" and then "not show up team" for the past several seasons -- they're nothing special. Everyone knows it, and the nation is breathing a sigh of relief that they're not in the NC game AGAIN. Wait and see what a real football team does to your SUCKEYES in the Fiesta Bowl -- Texas is going to SMOKE your lame-ass team and then you won't show up in here for a while, and when you do, you have some reason why they didn't play well that will have nothing to do with the facts of the matter -- they're overrated and over-hyped and all their players and fans are MORONS!

There is no bubble to burst, Nut. Michigan will have the best recruiting class that it has had in many years this season, and their are more to come. But more importantly, its a very different sort of class than we've ever had before.

You're right, I am a BIG supporter of RR. I base much of my opinion on the thoughts and feelings expressed by true insiders and Michigan Men, like Rick Leach, et. al. Can there be anyone that is more knowledgeable about what Michigan needs, and what RR is bringing to the table? I don't think there is. He has been big part of Michigan Football since he was 18 years old, and I trust his opinion a lot more than idiotic opinions like the ones you and RTB express, that is for sure.

I've not said a word about Beaver de-committing, nor any other player leaving. Beaver wanted to be closer to home, that is for sure -- and probably didn't want to have to compete with a guy like Forcier for a starting spot. Too bad! I disagree 100% with the people that say that competing for your spot is a bad thing -- how has it worked out for USC? If you're the best, and you can prove it, you start. Boren is a traitorous loser, and Sammy had a great 1st year for us, and MAY be missed, but there are more guys just like him coming in this year, and there will be more coming next year, and the year after that! TP didn't spurn Michigan, he led RR on a bit, and then showed his attention WHORE ass and milked it for all it was worth, nothing more. I think it's a shame that Beaver wants to play for Tulsa and not Michigan, but if he doesn't want to be a Wolverine, then I am not concerned with his decision -- no recruits decision one way or another is going to change my opinion of RR, or the job that he is doing.

You're right about one thing, TP certainly needed to be handled with kid gloves, and is fragile. He cannot throw, and he lost the PSU game for his team and went to sidelines and cried! Tate Forcier will be a true freshmen, that is correct, but he is certainly NOT your typical 18 year old star athlete. While TP was playing basketball, starting fights, sniffing cheerleader's butts, and basking in the media hype surrounding his recruitment, Forcier was 100% committed to Michigan, was studying FOOTBALL, and taking private QB lessons -- which he's been doing for nearly 15 years. You always throw the word "special" around with regards to TP, but I didn't see anything all that special about him expect his running ability. Tate's arm is better TODAY than TP's will be in 2012, I can promise you that!

I've never said that I think RR is perfect, but I have watching this program very closely over the years, and to be honest, I see a lot more that he is doing right, than he is doing wrong -- where he is filling glaring holes that the previous regime left open while the rest of the teams left them in the dust. In fact, I really can't point to anything that I think he did wrong. I think there were some bad results, but I don't think that is always an indication of an ill-conceived plan -- more often than not, it an indication of poor execution. There is no doubt that the execution of this past season was horrible. But, I think it has a lot more to do with the higher standard that RR is setting for his players, and the demands of his schemes. When you're changing something, you're not always going to hit the mark in your first try, especially when you're striving for greater and greater results. RR will find the guys that are willing and able to achieve that higher standard, and if they cannot, they can go transfer or whatever they want to do, I don't care.

Yes, of course other schools are getting talent, but you seem to to be stuck in delusional notion that if I say Michigan is bringing in an great crop of new talent that that means that NOBODY else is. Where did I ever say that? Michigan is bringing in a group of players that we've only seen in one's and two in the past -- players with amazing speed, quickness, and skill. Like I said, RR is like a kid in a candy store right now because of the recruiting power that Michigan has as compared to WVU. He's revving up the Ferrari, and all you Nay-Sayers and OSU morons better get your house in order, cuz he's gonna drive it right the fuck over you at 150mph!

[bleed maize & blue]

Can I get an amen!!!

[Run The Ball]

Nobody on this site is on the RR tip more then Sten. He always makes it sound like everything RR is doing is perfect. Rr is building this super unstoppable football machine that will run rough shot over college football. He makes it sound like RR is the only guy recruiting or getting studs to come to his program. Well I hate to burst your bubble but teams all over the country are getting great players - some (a lot) are even getting players better then Michigan. Michigan won't even have the best recruiting class in it's own conference.

After watching the product RR put on the field this year and their lack of improvement thoughout the season, Michigan fans should be concerned. If you think the world will be perfect and things will just click with the addition of a freshman QB - your wrong. As Buckeye fans can tell you first hand freshmen QB's need to be handled with kids gloves. You are limited to what you can have them do. They are fragile and need to be put in a position to suceed other wise it can effect them for years. TP is a perfect example. He was not given the full playbook because a player has to grow in confidence and ability before he can run the offense wide open - and he is a special player. To think RR will plug in a freshman QB and Michigan will just take off and win is on the verge of insane.

People who watched Michigan play this year (me included) wonder what RR is teaching the kids. The defense was horrible all year and there never seemed to be any adjustments on either side of the ball to stop the bleeding. I would not be surprised in the least if Michigan has a repeat performance next year. Then what will be the excuse Sten ? We had a freshman QB this year, just give RR time. I agree that he needs time but don't just keep brushing event after event under the rug without giving them any thought. De-commits, kids leaving, coaches resigning after a year, etc are all signs of problems. If a kid leaves or de-commits he all of a sudden sucks and you did not need him. Last year it was McGuffie this McGuffie that - now you guys will be just fine without him. TP sucked after he spurned RR. Boren was a loser for leaving the program - God knows you needed him this year - and so on.

Maybe you need to get your head out of RR's ass long enough to breath some fresh air and then maybe you will realize that things are not peachy in AA. Michigan is a long way away from being a good team. In fact they are a lot closer to becoming another Nebraska then they are to becoming Ohio State.


Sten is nothing more than a rah-rah sheep. We could have hired Satan as our coach (some argue will already did) and Sten would suck his cokk. It's called blind loyalty, and that's fine if you're winning football games, but we're not. We're not even a fukking D-I college team right now. DikRod has disgraced our team, our fans, and everyone who has put on our uniform in the past, but Sten will overlook that and keep telling himself everything is all right.

The worst part, IMO, was watching DikRod fukk up everything for our seniors. They signed on to play football at Michigan, not some gimmicky piece of sh!t Big East program. Now, as for those Michigan fans who feel "sorry" for DikRod and his family, fukk them. It's all about the bottom line.....he gets paid to win football games, and he isn't doing it. We should have never hired him in the first place. Things are bad in Ann Arbor, and Martin and DikRod need to step down immediately.

How bad is it? Dan Dierdorf was doing the Miami/New England game a few weeks ago, and he gave us this gem of a quote heard around the Michigan football program, which I wrote down.....

"....yeh, Bill Parcells is already comparing Jake Long to his former great player Jumbo Elliott. Michigan always seems to have great lineman like these guys, of course that was when they still played football in Ann Arbor."


Classic. Nail, meet hammer. See, people like Dan understand what made Michigan what it is, and it's also what guys like Bo, Mo, and Lloyd all had.....accountability. Sten and his group of sheep just don't get it, nor will they ever. They just want "change" at all cost. They aren't really fans of Michigan, they are just followers. Michigan is for LEADERS, which is why guys like Bill Martian and DikRod don't belong here.

It's also why this "Sten" dude and his blind fukking sheep don't belong being UM fans, either.

[GoDeepHammer]

Sten is nothing more than a rah-rah sheep. We could have hired Satan as our coach (some argue will already did) and Sten would suck his cokk. It's called blind loyalty, and that's fine if you're winning football games, but we're not. We're not even a fukking D-I college team right now. DikRod has disgraced our team, our fans, and everyone who has put on our uniform in the past, but Sten will overlook that and keep telling himself everything is all right.

The worst part, IMO, was watching DikRod fukk up everything for our seniors. They signed on to play football at Michigan, not some gimmicky piece of sh!t Big East program. Now, as for those Michigan fans who feel "sorry" for DikRod and his family, fukk them. It's all about the bottom line.....he gets paid to win football games, and he isn't doing it. We should have never hired him in the first place. Things are bad in Ann Arbor, and Martin and DikRod need to step down immediately.

How bad is it? Dan Dierdorf was doing the Miami/New England game a few weeks ago, and he gave us this gem of a quote heard around the Michigan football program, which I wrote down.....

"....yeh, Bill Parcells is already comparing Jake Long to his former great player Jumbo Elliott. Michigan always seems to have great lineman like these guys, of course that was when they still played football in Ann Arbor."


Classic. Nail, meet hammer. See, people like Dan understand what made Michigan what it is, and it's also what guys like Bo, Mo, and Lloyd all had.....accountability. Sten and his group of sheep just don't get it, nor will they ever. They just want "change" at all cost. They aren't really fans of Michigan, they are just followers. Michigan is for LEADERS, which is why guys like Bill Martian and DikRod don't belong here.

It's also why this "Sten" dude and his blind fukking sheep don't belong being UM fans, either.

As a so called blind sheep, let me say this. How are you helping the program? There are enough osu fans on here bringing down the program. How as RR to win last year with the QB talent that he had? As bad as what they played last year, they were 3-4 plays away from a 6-6 year, this with a completely new OL, QB and most every other skill position. I know your stupid rant about Lloyd could have won with these guys, but get real. There is a reason that he left when he did.

I support Michigan and what they are. At this time RR is the coach and I say that he needs more then a year to get this new system going. I know that you probably know more about football, as you have plenty of time to do your work and study up on all that is college football. I would say that there is a reason that the vast majority of people in the know about college football have talked about what a great coach RR is. They have also talked about how it isn't going to be long before Michigan is going to be an elite team again under RR. I choose to listen to them, rather then listening to your stupid cry baby shit.

If you don't like the direction of the Michigan program, I have an idea, be an osu fan. Stop your crying, as nobody that is in the position to make a difference with the Michigan program gives to shits what you think. Keep your money, stay home and cry in your beer. Let those of us that actually support Michigan football, during the good and bad, post here.

[Sten Carlson]

Michigan is for LEADERS, which is why guys like Bill Martian and DikRod don't belong here.

It's also why this "Sten" dude and his blind fukking sheep don't belong being UM fans, either.

What do you lead? Did you even go to Michigan? Oh I forgot, you went to a J.C. in OHIO! You may lead the nation in nuts rubbed out in your mama's basement to a Victoria's Secret catalog, but I'd be willing to be that you've never strove for greatness, nor led from the front, nor tried to be an inspiration to anyone -- except of course to OSU troll like your butt-buddy Nut!

You sit there and say, "our" team, "our" fans, our this, and our that! But you're not one of us! Michigan Men understand that greatness takes time, and that to truly understand something you have to observe it in action, for more than one season!

I am not being blindly loyal, I am being rationally patient and positive. You, on the other hand, are being irrational and negative -- two things that if you profess to love Michigan football as much as you do, you should NEVER be.

You call me a sheep, but you have no idea who I am nor what I know or believe. You think Martin and RR have ruined the programs based on one season, yet you NEVER respond to post I, and others, have made pointing out the statistical reality that the program wasn't all that before he got here, and was in steep decline for several seasons.

Everything is not alright, Carr was a man that was too stubborn to change his antiquated ways. RR is an innovator, brought in expressly to undo the harm that 13 years of outdated, inbred and apathetic coaching brought upon the program. In '07 Carr lost to App.St, Oregon, and OSU -- the first two were the lowest point Michigan football history, IMO. This season past seasons was the fever that accompanies the healing process. People are going to leave, games are going to be lost, and seniors, unfortunately, are going to be spurred. Sucks, but that is life!

If I am blindly loyal, then you are blindly traitorous! You won't give the guy a chance, you won't wait and see, and you are intent upon causing a riot by screaming at the top of your lungs, "THE SHIP IS SINKING!" when in fact we're just coming up from the bottom of the trough! What would you rather be remembered as, someone that stuck it out and had faith in our coach and program, or someone, at the first sign of adversity, ran headlong off the end of the cliff like a lemming? I for one, would rather remain positive, that is just the type of person that I am.

You always comment on my status as a fan, yet you've never spoken publicly about why you're so special, why you should be listened to above all the other rational voices on this site. I have given you and everyone my "Michigan Fanhood Resume", so to speak, but you have been content to hide in the shadows and strike out with inane irrational rants, and then have the nerve to question me and others as impostors -- pretty immature if you ask me.

Again, I am going to remain loyal to RR, as I did with Carr, until such time as I see something, or the lack there of, that deserves my contempt. As I've told you repeatedly, I was one of the few in here that supported Carr in the SackCarr days -- until, that is, the App. St. and Oregon fiascoes. Had you been posting here then, you'd have seen that. Yes, RR's job is to win football games, and I believe that he will be very proficient at that job in the near future. But, I also believe in giving a person a chance to perform, and not throwing them under the executioners ax before they've been given that chance.

So please RTB, don't every use the words "we" or "our" when referring to Michigan. You are NOT a MICHIGAN MAN, never have been, and you never will be. You are a pessimistic, irrational guy that happens to have an obsession with Michigan Football, and an insane hatred of Coach RR! As I have told you before, every time you post something in here, you bring the entire Michigan Famliy of MICHIGAN MEN and WOMEN down to the level of OSU morons and D-BAGs. If you really do love the team so much, try being silent for a while, try having a "glass half-full" out look, and try, for the love of Christ, to not insult people for having a rational understanding of reality! By not doing those things, you just make yourself look more and more like a moron.

If calling me "blindly loyal" is the worst thing that you can say about my relationship to Michigan football, so be it, I'll accept that. Better that than all the things that people have posted about your relationship over the past few months, huh?

[1OSUNUT]

That is because RR has proven he can win - what ? He played in a watered down Big East that lost Miami and Va.Tech - and he still could not get to the NC game. When Miami and Va.Tech was in the Big East they beat RR damn near every year. So don't start thinking RR is the second coming, after all he was your 3rd or 4th choice anyway. If you think RR was doing good and that Michigan is heading in the right direction - your in the minority. Any positive spin you can put on a program that lost to F'in Toledo at home would amaze me.

As for Pryor not being special - I beg to differ. Your just salty because Michigan did not get him. Now all of a sudden he is trash and his arm sucks. You guys were not saying that when RR and is whole staff was packed into a gym in PA drooling over him. He caused so much trouble this year at Ohio State. The kid worked his ass off, went to class, studied film and has become a leader on the team - real trouble maker. Let me know if your freshman QB (if you get him) leads you to a BCS bowl next year. I doubt he will.

Maybe you guys don't want to be like Ohio State but to be like the teams you mentioned you have to first catch Ohio State. Easier said then done with the talent walking around in Columbus right now and for years to come. Next year will be the first year you start seeing a lot of kids from the last two classes actually on the field - they are good. TP I'm pretty sure finished the year having the best completion % on any QB in the Big Ten. Not bad for a kid who cannot throw. He threw pretty good when he had to against that sorry team from up North.

Tate Forcier is not even the best QB coming out of high school this year. We will see how he does when he is being chased around the field and under pressure on every play. I'm guessing the season that TP just had will look pretty damn good in comparison. You guys will see first hand next year. Then spin it Sten. I think Todd Marinovich was groomed to be a QB and took private lesson for many years as well. How did he turn out at USC ? RR might be able to get better overall talent at Michigan - but he will be playing against better talent as well. You will find out real soon that RR is not that special. He has not proven at any job that he cannot win without special talent. Could RR win with a QB like Krenzel - NO. He lucked into Pat White, he did not develope him. Pat White was a 2 or 3 star that ended up being very good. He was good with and without RR. Even with White and Slayton RR could not get to the big one. So don't make it sound like the guy is some kind of a guru and a proven winner. He was a Big East coach whos team beat Georgia and Oklahoma in bowl games - thats all.

Great coaches are the ones who consistantly win year in and year out - reguardless of talent. They may not compete for a NC every year but they always have very good teams on the field. RR has a long way to go before he can be mentioned as a great coach. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Jim Tressel, Pete Carroll, Mack Brown, Bob Stoops and coaches like then are great coaches. WVU had a very RR like season this year without RR. He is not that special.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

why do you guys waste your time responding to these guys, i know one thing i would rather michigan be mediocre for the rest of my life then to have MY life become as pathetic as osunuts is. luckily that wont happen, but seriously they are such losers and they prove it more and more everyday let them be. atleast dont bother with them til after the texas chain saw massacre.

[LAMfan]

Beaver commits to Tulsa. TULSA. So, this offseason, people have chosen Central Florida, Tulsa and plenty others over UM.

Not sure that RR is a scumbag like some say, but somethings going on. The fact is, ND had a horrible year 2 years ago and didn't have this kind of attrition... Bama sucked and we saw what they just did.

Things just keep going wrong. Coming in with just ONE dual threat is a big deal. Not sure if its cus beaver thought he couldn't compete, or if (hopefully) its cus MIchigan found another guy to replace him (the guy from auburn etc..) and told him he's more of an athlete and not a QB.

Either way... wtf.

IMO, this is the state of CFB. Players see places like Tulsa and C.Fla as viable, since they will play and can develop and will get the exposure they need to have an opportunity to get to the next level. Also, RR's offense is a less unique opportunity than it was 5 years ago, in that many other programs now give the dual threat QBs a chance to play.

I don't think the decommit necessarily says anything about RR or M football, except that it is going to be tougher and take longer to rebuild than most think. All of us die-hard fans love the M "brand", but a lot of kids these days are "branding" themselves. Selling the history of a program is not totally insignificant, but the fate of Neb and ND should be an indication of how far a historic program can fall in today's all-access sports world.

[Bossgobbler23]

IMO, this is the state of CFB. Players see places like Tulsa and C.Fla as viable, since they will play and can develop and will get the exposure they need to have an opportunity to get to the next level. Also, RR's offense is a less unique opportunity than it was 5 years ago, in that many other programs now give the dual threat QBs a chance to play.

I don't think the decommit necessarily says anything about RR or M football, except that it is going to be tougher and take longer to rebuild than most think. All of us die-hard fans love the M "brand", but a lot of kids these days are "branding" themselves. Selling the history of a program is not totally insignificant, but the fate of Neb and ND should be an indication of how far a historic program can fall in today's all-access sports world.

I think what you say has a lot of fact to it. If the S. Floridas, Rutgers, Texas Tech's, etc... of the world can build programs with less talent than we are recruiting, given a couple years we will too and then some!

[AlwaysBlue]

hahaha... becoming OSU?

When on EARTH would Michigan want to be anything like OSU? The football team, the underachieving basketball team.. the weak academics. Seriously. hilarious.

Ohio State of Underachievers. I hope that the Big 12 doesn't own you the way the SEC does.. then again, they beat you down last year and they're better this year.

[1OSUNUT]

hahaha... becoming OSU?

When on EARTH would Michigan want to be anything like OSU? The football team, the underachieving basketball team.. the weak academics. Seriously. hilarious.

Ohio State of Underachievers. I hope that the Big 12 doesn't own you the way the SEC does.. then again, they beat you down last year and they're better this year.

We did not even play them last year - moron. You may not like to face the facts but Ohio State is the measuring stick in the Big Ten. So if you have hopes and dreams of being elite once again you need to beat Ohio State. Based on this years game 42-7 - your a far way from doing that.

[AlwaysBlue]

we beat you at basketball already last year. step 1 is done. football is next. and i could give a fuck less about you and your losing outside the big 10. its always someone new. this year, USC piled on...

go fuck yourself. and then pryor.. that limpwristed QB you guys call the savior.

[AlwaysBlue]

oh yeah. and nice job beating Iona today.

[Sten Carlson]

We did not even play them last year - moron. You may not like to face the facts but Ohio State is the measuring stick in the Big Ten. So if you have hopes and dreams of being elite once again you need to beat Ohio State. Based on this years game 42-7 - your a far way from doing that.

Desire to beat OSU, and desire to BE OSU are not synonymous, NUT!

Michigan Football is the winningest college football team of all time, and our historical record against OSU is in our favor -- Res Ispa Loquitur!

There has never been, nor will there ever be, a Michigan Man or Woman that has any desire to be an OSU Buckeye. Why would we want to be part of a student body full of morons that were granted admission into their school based on two criteria: 1). graduation from H.S., and 2). having the unfortunate circumstance of being a resident of the State of Ohio. Nary a one of OSU's academic programs ranks highly nationally, and although their football team is considered a historical powerhouse, it is equally renowned for its players' criminality, the disgraceful abusive conduct of its revered legendary coach, and for the low-brow barbarism of its habitually intoxicated fans! To add to this great tradition, of late, OSU has become known as the team that gets the "luck-in" berth in the NC (only to be blown out twice, I might add), and the team that won one NC only due to a phantom call that was admitted to be a gross error after the game ended.

Elite you say? Well, last I checked Michigan had a winning record against the SEC, now considered THE elite conference in the nation. How has OSU fared against those schools from the SEC?

Yes, OSU is now considered the measuring-stick for the Big 10, but according the national media, that is not a very big accomplishment.

Interestingly, you always seem to assume that past results have any bearing on future results -- as is evidenced by your statement, "Based on this years game 42-7 - your a far way from doing that." Next years team is just that, next years team, and the performance of the 2008 season will have no bearing on how near or far Michigan is from beating OSU in 2009. Although your statement is erudite, and finely crafted, it fails logically. If that were the case, JT would never have been able to get the upper-hand on a Michigan team that repeatedly made Cooper their whipping post.

Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance -- and arrogant fools always make me laugh. You think that you're being superior, that your statements cut to the quick and are insightful; further, you think that OSU has surmounted the pinnacle of college football success, but your hubris ensures that you are doomed to fall. I, for one, would rather be an optimistic Michigan Man looking to a bright future with a new coach, philosophy and energy infused into the program, rather and an overconfident, delusional, OSU malcontent that spends much of his time trolling his rivals message boards in an effort to boost his pathologically low self-esteem.

ps -- please for the love of all that is holy in this world, learn the difference between "you're" and "your" -- you do yourself no favors in trying to persuade others of your intelligence and credit worthiness when you cannot distinguish between the two.