MIA or AWOL?

[NorCal Buckeye]

Has anybody seen proof of the team's OC, OL coach, or the QB coach? Where are they these days? What happened to them? Is there a HC somewhere here too, or is also the jack of all trades, master of none head of recruiting too?

I can not remember a more inept display of OSU offense than this year's team. Where's the coaches?

[Wolvrin704]

They all reside in one man, JT. Well ok maybe not the OL coach. By the way what happened to all the rosy forecasts about your great OL coach taking on some of the OC responsibilities and really opening up the offense?

Why in one thread do you claim JT is a great coach who will continue to own UM and then in another ask if he's MIA? Keep playing like they have been the last few weeks and UM will destroy them. Starting to wonder if perhaps its OSU who is a pretender this year.

[NorCal Buckeye]

They all reside in one man, JT. Well ok maybe not the OL coach. By the way what happened to all the rosy forecasts about your great OL coach taking on some of the OC responsibilities and really opening up the offense?

Why in one thread do you claim JT is a great coach who will continue to own UM and then in another ask if he's MIA? Keep playing like they have been the last few weeks and UM will destroy them. Starting to wonder if perhaps its OSU who is a pretender this year.

You and your camp read carefully, not. Find one post where I have ever said he is a great coach. All of my posts have been to the contrary, placing suspicion upon his current fitness to coach given what I perceive as burnout.

The only posts you could call complimentary have been simply restatement of facts, he has won championships, and owned Michigan. These are indisputable facts.

[zilla]

You and your camp read carefully, not. Find one post where I have ever said he is a great coach. All of my posts have been to the contrary, placing suspicion upon his current fitness to coach given what I perceive as burnout.

The only posts you could call complimentary have been simply restatement of facts, he has won championships, and owned Michigan. These are indisputable facts.

The point is dumbo one week you are crying and then the next week when they beat Toledo we have to endure your fair weather posts again about the "restatement of facts, he has won championships, and owned Michigan."

You love to trash him on one post but prasie him for championships on others. Kinda weird huh? Go away pervert.

[Wolvrin704]

You and your camp read carefully, not. Find one post where I have ever said he is a great coach. All of my posts have been to the contrary, placing suspicion upon his current fitness to coach given what I perceive as burnout.

The only posts you could call complimentary have been simply restatement of facts, he has won championships, and owned Michigan. These are indisputable facts.

Well since you post indisputable facts, does the team win despite him because of their talent? Or is it because they feast on less talented teams and B10 teams they are built to beat? The philosophy of being strong up the middle shows cracks against teams that use speed on the outside as well.

[cartyboi]

All I'm going to say is Nut has repeatedly talked about all of the 5 star offensive lineman that OSU recruits that would protect Pryor. Is this another case of all of your 5 stars being busts or is this a case of underdevelopment as always from the OSU coaching staff?

Look at the facts, you out-recruit us, stars this, stars that, Michigan only had 600 3 stars so we suck. OSU doesn't recruit a player that doesn't have 5 stars.. blah blah blah.

All of the talking has come back to bite you. Now it's time to hear your fair share.

[NorCal Buckeye]

The point is dumbo one week you are crying and then the next week when they beat Toledo we have to endure your fair weather posts again about the "restatement of facts, he has won championships, and owned Michigan."

You love to trash him on one post but prasie him for championships on others. Kinda weird huh? Go away pervert.

I would be willing to enlighten you, but my intuition tells me trying to find intelligence in discourse with you will be an effort in futility. So therefore I am going to ignore you until you can address me in an intelligent manner. Sorry.:(

[NorCal Buckeye]

Well since you post indisputable facts, does the team win despite him because of their talent? Or is it because they feast on less talented teams and B10 teams they are built to beat? The philosophy of being strong up the middle shows cracks against teams that use speed on the outside as well.

Agreed, they feast on less talented and B10 teams they are built to beat. I have more than one post on record where I have pointed out that Tressel's high winning percentage as HC at OSU is more a function of feasting on cupcakes, playing in a soft conference, and having top talent at his disposal, than it is to any special wizardry as a coach.

However you blue guys need to read carefully what I actually write, and not jump to conclusions with you own preconceived notions. Tressel has won championships. Fact. He has owned Michigan. Fact. Where speculation and opinion come into play is the program's lack of success against top tier competition. IMHO I think he is suffering from professional burnout. And trying to do too much himself. I have seen where some professional analysts say the game may have passed him by, i.e. he is not staying current in winning strategy and tactics. They could be right too.

You seem to be an astute observer of the game. What say you? What is the problem at OSU? Ironhide has made some good posts about what is wrong with Tressel, and I totally agree with him. That is why as an OSU fan I'm pissed. Since we recruit top level talent there is no excuse for less than top results, if we are getting the top coaching the program is paying for. I don't think are getting the top coaching talent we are paying for. The ongoing mess with the team offense this year makes my point.:cool:

[NorCal Buckeye]

All I'm going to say is Nut has repeatedly talked about all of the 5 star offensive lineman that OSU recruits that would protect Pryor. Is this another case of all of your 5 stars being busts or is this a case of underdevelopment as always from the OSU coaching staff?

Look at the facts, you out-recruit us, stars this, stars that, Michigan only had 600 3 stars so we suck. OSU doesn't recruit a player that doesn't have 5 stars.. blah blah blah.

All of the talking has come back to bite you. Now it's time to hear your fair share.

Agreed. Let us here it. I started a thread...Official OSU sux thread. Dump it all in there so we can find it all in one place. I'm serious too; both the dumb shit, and the smart shit. I want to here it.;)

[Wolvrin704]

Agreed, they feast on less talented and B10 teams they are built to beat. I have more than one post on record where I have pointed out that Tressel's high winning percentage as HC at OSU is more a function of feasting on cupcakes, playing in a soft conference, and having top talent at his disposal, than it is to any special wizardry as a coach.

However you blue guys need to read carefully what I actually write, and not jump to conclusions with you own preconceived notions. Tressel has won championships. Fact. He has owned Michigan. Fact. Where speculation and opinion come into play is the program's lack of success against top tier competition. IMHO I think he is suffering from professional burnout. And trying to do too much himself. I have seen where some professional analysts say the game may have passed him by, i.e. he is not staying current in winning strategy and tactics. They could be right too.

You seem to be an astute observer of the game. What say you? What is the problem at OSU? Ironhide has made some good posts about what is wrong with Tressel, and I totally agree with him. That is why as an OSU fan I'm pissed. Since we recruit top level talent there is no excuse for less than top results, if we are getting the top coaching the program is paying for. I don't think are getting the top coaching talent we are paying for. The ongoing mess with the team offense this year makes my point.:cool:

I don't think its a matter of training, practice or preparation. JT seems to do a good job of that as well as his staff. You generally see the guys doing the fundamentals correctly, but when they lose they tend to look sloppy.

Like I've said the D is built like a baseball team, strong up the middle but the outside is just not quick enough. You guys can laugh about UM going to smaller and quicker D line but that along with all out fast OLB's are what is needed to contain getting the ball outside. A great safety wouldn't hurt either.

On offense JT is his own worst enemy. It looks like he can coach up less than desirable QB's like Smith but guys like Zwick and TP who are 5 star can't miss guys just don't do well in his system.
Next JT needs to decide what he wants to do with TP as far as keep him in the pocket, roll him out, line him up in the pistol, shotgun or under center. It depends on what he wants to do, is JT there to develop TP or is he there to make OSU a winner? If he doesn't really develop TP he loses credibility with future recruits, takes the chance of making TP unhappy but would greatly enhance the chances of winning by using TP as he should.

So my view is that JT is taking the gamble of developing TP as a pocket passer and giving him a chance to succeed in the NFL. If it works TP will truly be dangerous but so far does not show the inclination to get better or smarts to learn. That being the case JT needs to evaluate TP in the off season.

If I were the coach I'd either go with the shotgun or pistol exclusively as TP does not do well under center. Next I'd start using him on draws, get him out of the pocket some. In other words use him like he used Troy Smith.

Next OSU has become ordinary in running the ball, in part because of little danger of an effective passing game. If OSU can't run the ball well they can be stopped and have to rely to greatly on their D. This may work against some teams but teams that can rack up points and do it quickly will have success because OSU is not the kind of team that plays well when behind. Thats why I think UM has a chance, they have the ability to score and do so quickly, they have some success against the run and getting to the QB and lastly they can come back quickly if they get behind.

Lastly for the long run I'd fire the O line coach/O coordinator. The O line has been severly disappointing the last few years despite their huge amount of talent and experience. I'd hire an O line coach, a QB coach and O coordinator.

Special teams are ok and the D just need tweaked mostly in schemes and philosophy.

[NorCal Buckeye]

I don't think its a matter of training, practice or preparation. JT seems to do a good job of that as well as his staff. You generally see the guys doing the fundamentals correctly, but when they lose they tend to look sloppy.

Like I've said the D is built like a baseball team, strong up the middle but the outside is just not quick enough. You guys can laugh about UM going to smaller and quicker D line but that along with all out fast OLB's are what is needed to contain getting the ball outside. A great safety wouldn't hurt either.

On offense JT is his own worst enemy. It looks like he can coach up less than desirable QB's like Smith but guys like Zwick and TP who are 5 star can't miss guys just don't do well in his system.
Next JT needs to decide what he wants to do with TP as far as keep him in the pocket, roll him out, line him up in the pistol, shotgun or under center. It depends on what he wants to do, is JT there to develop TP or is he there to make OSU a winner? If he doesn't really develop TP he loses credibility with future recruits, takes the chance of making TP unhappy but would greatly enhance the chances of winning by using TP as he should.

So my view is that JT is taking the gamble of developing TP as a pocket passer and giving him a chance to succeed in the NFL. If it works TP will truly be dangerous but so far does not show the inclination to get better or smarts to learn. That being the case JT needs to evaluate TP in the off season.

If I were the coach I'd either go with the shotgun or pistol exclusively as TP does not do well under center. Next I'd start using him on draws, get him out of the pocket some. In other words use him like he used Troy Smith.

Next OSU has become ordinary in running the ball, in part because of little danger of an effective passing game. If OSU can't run the ball well they can be stopped and have to rely to greatly on their D. This may work against some teams but teams that can rack up points and do it quickly will have success because OSU is not the kind of team that plays well when behind. Thats why I think UM has a chance, they have the ability to score and do so quickly, they have some success against the run and getting to the QB and lastly they can come back quickly if they get behind.

Lastly for the long run I'd fire the O line coach/O coordinator. The O line has been severly disappointing the last few years despite their huge amount of talent and experience. I'd hire an O line coach, a QB coach and O coordinator.

Special teams are ok and the D just need tweaked mostly in schemes and philosophy.

Great analysis, sounds like you know your football and have been studying OSU game film. With that being said, do you REALLY (no homerism) think Michigan can hang with OSU this year?:cool:

[Wolvrin704]

Great analysis, sounds like you know your football and have been studying OSU game film. With that being said, do you REALLY (no homerism) think Michigan can hang with OSU this year?:cool:

Yes I do.

UM can get the ball out to the edges where OSU has the most trouble. Not to mention mobile QB's which have caused OSU fits in the past. If we can get the OSU D on their heels then we can win, and our offense has shown that getting behind doesn't rattle them at all.

On the D side, our best part lately has been the line which OSU lately has trouble stopping. So if we can control the line of scrimmage, take away the run and frustrate TP we can bottle up the anemic OSU offense.

That being said this game is entirely a toss up. I have to give the edge to OSU because of experience and JT's record against UM.