No big deal !!!

[Frank Rizzo]

No big deal.We were 3-9 last year,I was one of the people that said from the beginning,"if we go 8-4 I will be extremely happy".We have had a Great seaon so far,and have nothing to be ashamed about.I still think we can go 8-4.I picked us to lose Iowa,M state,Penn st,and Ohio st.I hate to say it,but we were do to get knocked off.We are only in our 2nd season under Rich's regime,so RELAX!!!!! ITS NO BIG DEAL. Besides, Tressel has been at it for 8 years,and he got DESTROYED by Purdue.Now that would piss me off.

[Vested_Interest]

...We are only in our 2nd season under Rich's regime[...]

Since you mentioned Tressel, didn't Ohio State's most recent NC come in his 2nd season?

I know, I know: Cooper's players, right? ;)

[Bighouse]

Since you mentioned Tressel, didn't Ohio State's most recent NC come in his 2nd season?

I know, I know: Cooper's players, right? ;)
That correct dork. Same boring offense. Nothing new to teach.

[Frank Rizzo]

yes faggott,Tressel did win, with coopers ragime.Since then jimmy hasnt won a big game outside the conference .Like I said, no big deal,move on to next game.7-5 or 8-4 , it dont matter to me,we are on the road to destroy you very soon .

[tpilews]

yeah, UM is pretty much where I thought they'd be. I thought they'd get the win over sparty though. Anyway, what's most disappointing is how they lost against PSU, not that they did lose. By far the worst game of the season, but probably the best, or second best, team UM will face all year. Let's move on and win 3 out of the last 4. This season can still be a huge success. One game at a time, one play at a time.

[nc wolverine]

it wasnt the fact that we lost that made me upset, but the style we did it in. I wasnt expecting a victory... but i thought we had a chance. ( we werent suppose to have a chance against wiscy last season)

it just seems that we have gotten worse week to week. I thought we looked like crap until the 4th quarter against sparty ( a stronger 1st half and we could have won easy) and the game against Iowa we could have and maybe should have won. But, we just seem to be playing worse and worse as the season goes.

Im wondering if the heartbreaking losses really did damage to the UM psyche than we all thought. They are young kids and may be lookin back to those games and wallowing on what if instead of looking toward the next game..

They are kids, and its college football anything can happen in the upcoming weeks

GO BLUE

[Mike Furley]

in light of the Free Press article, I wonder as to what impact the NCAA poking the noses around for the last month has influenced the mental preparation and attending to details with UM's record. yes the schedule has been tougher, but there seems to have been a number of self ddefeating errors made by the players in that same span.

[amazinblue]

there seems to have been a number of self defeating errors made by the players in that same span.

Furley,

No doubt, the team has not executed in the last three conference games the way they demonstrated they could in the opening four games. I do believe it's a combination of things - execution is one of those things. I thought the team last year was "too tight" and highly strung - and, this season - the injuries are having an impact - and, I believe that includes Molk and TF.

We require some patience here - and, though 8-4 is not out of reach, it will be aiming for the stars. And, I believe in aiming high.

Execution - one play, one series, one quarter, and one game at time. It starts again on Saturday afternoon.

[Frank Rizzo]

I know we will all sleep much better when Gardner gets here.We need a backup QB soooooo bad.He will be very helpfull,taking alot of pressure on Tate.Robison should be moved to tailback right fucking now!!!It only takes a small hole ,and he is gone.......

[shirc]

yes faggott,Tressel did win, with coopers ragime.Since then jimmy hasnt won a big game outside the conference .Like I said, no big deal,move on to next game.7-5 or 8-4 , it dont matter to me,we are on the road to destroy you very soon .

Can someone tell me what in the blue hell a "ragime" is?

[Run The Ball]

No big deal.We were 3-9 last year,I was one of the people that said from the beginning,"if we go 8-4 I will be extremely happy".We have had a Great seaon so far,and have nothing to be ashamed about.I still think we can go 8-4.I picked us to lose Iowa,M state,Penn st,and Ohio st.I hate to say it,but we were do to get knocked off.We are only in our 2nd season under Rich's regime,so RELAX!!!!! ITS NO BIG DEAL. Besides, Tressel has been at it for 8 years,and he got DESTROYED by Purdue.Now that would piss me off.


No big deal? That is the exact fucking attitude that is DESTROYING Michigan, that and the "in the end, we're all winners" bullshit that so many of you have. I tell ya, this Dikkrod excuse machine is cranking them out left and right. You and some of these other half-wit flower children are sucking the dick of a coach who has only averaged 6 wins a season and who has a meager 2 bowl victories.

Damn, how in the fuck did we go from having one of the best fan bases in the country to having one of the worst? What most fail to realize is that it took thousands and thousands of great men to build our program, yet it only took one man to destroy it. Maybe when some of these kids like this Frank Rizzo grow up they will stop and smell what The Dikkster is shoveling.

[GoDeepHammer]

No big deal? That is the exact fucking attitude that is DESTROYING Michigan, that and the "in the end, we're all winners" bullshit that so many of you have. I tell ya, this Dikkrod excuse machine is cranking them out left and right. You and some of these other half-wit flower children are sucking the dick of a coach who has only averaged 6 wins a season and who has a meager 2 bowl victories.

Damn, how in the fuck did we go from having one of the best fan bases in the country to having one of the worst? What most fail to realize is that it took thousands and thousands of great men to build our program, yet it only took one man to destroy it. Maybe when some of these kids like this Frank Rizzo grow up they will stop and smell what The Dikkster is shoveling.

I think that people actually get stupider when they read your posts.

Michigan was sick of 8-4 seasons and what could have been. Now they bring in RR it is going to take a little bit, but we will be a contender soon. Sorry, but I expect more then mediocre football at Michigan. But, I can't expect RR to change to a completely new offensive and defensive scheme and be 12-0 in two years.

[Wolvrin704]

No big deal? That is the exact fucking attitude that is DESTROYING Michigan, that and the "in the end, we're all winners" bullshit that so many of you have. I tell ya, this Dikkrod excuse machine is cranking them out left and right. You and some of these other half-wit flower children are sucking the dick of a coach who has only averaged 6 wins a season and who has a meager 2 bowl victories.

Damn, how in the fuck did we go from having one of the best fan bases in the country to having one of the worst? What most fail to realize is that it took thousands and thousands of great men to build our program, yet it only took one man to destroy it. Maybe when some of these kids like this Frank Rizzo grow up they will stop and smell what The Dikkster is shoveling.


6 wins? What calculator did you use? Knowing how trollish you are I checked your math and RR has averaged 7 wins a season. Take away his first year in all 3 schools and it goes up to 8 wins.

[Sten Carlson]

..."in the end, we're all winners" bullshit that so many of you have.

RTB,

Nobody is getting all touchy feely and saying things that you accuse us of say. Let me state this very plainly so that you can understand: EVERY MICHIGAN MAN AND WOMAN WANTS TO WIN EVERY GAME!!! There is a significant difference between fans being willing to give the man a chance to do what he was hired to do (which is overhaul a apathetic and mediocre football program), and what you're claiming RR supporters are expressing.

Further, there is a significant difference between being circumspect yet patient, and being a pathological lunatic like yourself. There are lots and lots of people out there that aren't too keen on RR so far, yet you seem to be the only one that, from the very outset of his tenure at Michigan, have literally HATED the man, called him abusive names, and never given him a chance -- oh yeah, and I almost forgot to mention that you hated him so much that you NEVER once posted your garbage while Michigan and RR were undefeated earlier in the season. You waiting to kick them when they were down a bit -- typical coward. Everyone around the nation is saying to Michigan Men and Women, "be patient, the guy is a winner, give him time to get all the pieces in place..." Those are coming from fans, media pundits, and I have heard it personally from luminaries like Coach Mack Brown -- ever heard of hiim?


You and some of these other half-wit flower children are sucking the dick of a coach who has only averaged 6 wins a season and who has a meager 2 bowl victories.

See Wolverine704's -- you're either a liar or an incompetent, which is it?

You sir, swallow the seed of a man who lost to App. St. at home, was virtually incapable of beating OSU once JT got there, had a PATHETIC bowl record, and who "mailed it in" for the last three seasons that he was coach -- and is the DIRECT result of what we are witnessing now with the overall lack of developed experienced talent and depth.

You do realize that college football goes in 4-5 cycles right? As I mentioned somewhere else in here, it's not like pro-sports where you can trade for experienced and developed talent, nor can you get a mid-season acquisition that pushes your team to new heights. In college football you live and die with your RECRUITING and DEVELOPMENT PIPELINES. There was a great article on one of the other sites which detailed how going back to 2005 the recruiting (especially on defense) began to fall off with a myriad of 4-5* recruits either busting, transferring, or never even arriving on campus. I know you're a bit slow RTB, but you do understand that this drop off will not really have it's full effect until YEARS down the road -- years later as in 2007-2009, coincidentally, right when RR arrived.

Michigan has fewer quality seniors than at any other time in its recent history. Underclassmen, for the most part, don't lead teams -- they don't win consistently, and they generally have a hard time beating other teams that are senior laden (like PSU). Again, unlike the pros in which a team can be bought, college coaches MUST take time to rebuild the pipeline, and as should be obvious, it takes YEARS to rebuild a program so that it is also laden with quality developed seniors. Players have 4-5 year "life-cycles" in college football, and the cycle CANNOT be accelerated. When RR got to Michigan, the pipeline was a trickle, and he's working on opening back up the valve to get it flowing again, but as should be obvious, that will take at least 2-3 years, and more than likely 4 years. He's off to a good start with this freshman class, and next season will be even better -- we're all just going to have to be patient.

Unfortunately, your blind rage and hatred for RR has made it seemingly impossible for you to grasp such basic college football concepts.


Damn, how in the fuck did we go from having one of the best fan bases in the country to having one of the worst?

How have, as you claim, we become the one of the worst? I see nothing wrong with taking two steps backwards to take three steps forward -- patient and mature people can see it for what it is, and see that many other top programs have gone through such trials and tribulations (see OU, UF, USC, UT, etc). Why is it so hard for you, and others, to accept it for what it is -- a TRANSITION!



What most fail to realize is that it took thousands and thousands of great men to build our program, yet it only took one man to destroy it.

First of all, you have a lot of nerve talking about what others have "failed to realize" considering (see supra) you're basically the king of failed realizations when it comes to the way college football works. You're a laughable buffoon whose pathological obsession for RR has made his own life miserable, and it's all over a school that you're not even affiliated with -- you're just an on-looker, a wannabe!

Secondly, RR has not "destroyed" Michigan football, if anyone put us into a tailspin and then took his golden parachute ($300K+ salary) and jumped out, it was Carr. RR is desperately try to pull us out of the downward spiral of mediocrity, and fly us to new heights, but it's going to take some time to pull up.

Lastly, as I have said in other posts, the MICHIGAN MYTH that you so desperately cling to is just that, a MYTH. Although I hate to agree with Nut, he's pointed out many times that Michigan, although the leader in all time wins and winning %, won a great many of those games when the forward pass was either illegal or a new newfangled "gimmick" offense. Further, this MYTHIC Michigan program that you revere so much only won (shared) 1 NC in 60+ years, and was known (at least when Carr was there) as being an underachieving team that would play down to it's lesser tier opponents, to be virtually incapable of beating USC, OSU, or any other top tier teams, and all this despite a steady stream of top 10 recruiting classes.

Carr was a good steward of the program -- good, but not great. He basically kept everything that he inherited the same. But, it was time for a change, he knew it (which is why he retired -- the game had "passed him by"), Martin knew it, and the alumni knew it. Bill Martin had a decision to make -- keep going with the same highly competent yet somewhat mediocre program, or bring in someone that is going to take it down to it's core, in order to build it back up into something that hasn't been seen in Ann Arbor since 1969. He chose the latter, and he chose RR as the man to do it. Will he succeed? I don't know. You think he's going to fail, and that is your prerogative. However, I don't believe that you're giving the man a chance. I think you, et. al., are blaming him for deficiencies that he was expressly hired to fix.

It's like a home remodeling job (or to put it in terms you can understand, a trailer overhaul) on a functional yet somewhat out-dated house. The contractor rips it down to the studs, and it looks like crap for a while. Then, he puts up new dry wall, and new counter-tops, new fixtures, new appliances, maybe a pool or a hot tub, new HVAC, etc., and finally puts on all the finishing touches to make everything look pretty. If one were to walk into the house in the middle of the process and be unaware of what the contractor was hired to do and what it takes to do it (like you are obviously unaware of the mandate that RR was given and how the cycles of college football work), they'd scream, "Oh my god! You've destroying this fully functional house! Somebody stop him!" Sound familiar?

Rational people, patient people, and informed people COMPREHEND that Michigan was indeed functional, but the program is going through an UPGRADE, and when it's done, it will be UNSTOPPABLE, not just functional!

Go Blue!