Why RROD is wrong for Michigan

[Motown74]

Guys,

The major thing that bothers me and what I keep hearing is "when he gets his guys in place." The spread is a great offensive scheme. I have been coaching it for 6 years at the varsity level. The problem with RRODs spread is that he forsakes all for small and speed. That does NOT work in the Big Ten. I don't care who your S&C guy is, 4 quarters of Big Ten football will fuck you up.

Here are a few things I have said over the past two years:

Look at Joe Pa. SI had a great article on what they call the Spread HD. It is the perfect mix of Big Ten size, speed, and tenacity. Did Joe Pa put it in in one year? No. He slowly evolved his idea to fit the players he needs in order to be successful in the Big Ten. If RROD would have done this last year we would have been 6-6 and not the laughing stocks we were.

His players are small and fast. Big Ten players are medium fast and hard hitting. Medium fast and hard hitting trumps small and fast.

RROD, is going to do to Michigan what Callahan did to Nebraska. It didn't work in Nebraska and it sure won't work here.

Finally, I know we all want the same thing for Michigan and that is success. I appreciate and acknowledge everyone's passion for that. I just hope you all understand that you can't still be Michigan when you throw out all that Michigan stood for. Hiring this guy was wrong. Watching him yell at Fred Jackson is what truly ended it for me. My dad said something to me the other day (he was in Champaign today) that when he watches RROD on the sideline he only sees one thing -- anger. That is not good for players or for him. I don't see RROD being supportive or uplifting on the sideline at all and that bothers me because his FRESHMAN are going to need that when they make these mistakes.

I hope we can finish 6-6 but the only game I see us having a chance in is Purdue and they are very similar to Illinois in size and speed. The fact is, the ship is tilting and someone needs to right it and soon.

[Bighouse]

Great post MoTown. I commented on the vary same thing in another post. If we had the same type of players like in 07, running the spread, it would work. The smaller guys, we shall see. I hope we're wrong.

[Don Unverferth]

Guys,

The major thing that bothers me and what I keep hearing is "when he gets his guys in place." The spread is a great offensive scheme. I have been coaching it for 6 years at the varsity level. The problem with RRODs spread is that he forsakes all for small and speed. That does NOT work in the Big Ten. I don't care who your S&C guy is, 4 quarters of Big Ten football will fuck you up.

Here are a few things I have said over the past two years:

Look at Joe Pa. SI had a great article on what they call the Spread HD. It is the perfect mix of Big Ten size, speed, and tenacity. Did Joe Pa put it in in one year? No. He slowly evolved his idea to fit the players he needs in order to be successful in the Big Ten. If RROD would have done this last year we would have been 6-6 and not the laughing stocks we were.

His players are small and fast. Big Ten players are medium fast and hard hitting. Medium fast and hard hitting trumps small and fast.

RROD, is going to do to Michigan what Callahan did to Nebraska. It didn't work in Nebraska and it sure won't work here.

Finally, I know we all want the same thing for Michigan and that is success. I appreciate and acknowledge everyone's passion for that. I just hope you all understand that you can't still be Michigan when you throw out all that Michigan stood for. Hiring this guy was wrong. Watching him yell at Fred Jackson is what truly ended it for me. My dad said something to me the other day (he was in Champaign today) that when he watches RROD on the sideline he only sees one thing -- anger. That is not good for players or for him. I don't see RROD being supportive or uplifting on the sideline at all and that bothers me because his FRESHMAN are going to need that when they make these mistakes.

I hope we can finish 6-6 but the only game I see us having a chance in is Purdue and they are very similar to Illinois in size and speed. The fact is, the ship is tilting and someone needs to right it and soon.

The old alumni have Miles as "coach in waiting". :D:D:D

[RADRACING]

I have been saying the same thing for 2 years now, but I get chastised when I bring up the size of the players in the program RR is bringing in.

[Mike Furley]

I didn't want to post tonight and agitate the board, but Motown raises an interesting point that I wanted to expound upon; and that is the players RR is bringing in to Michigan to run his offense, and whether the ideal Rodriguez player is ideal for Big Ten play.

In that same breath, I want to throw this out there. How was Lloyd Carr, in a span of five weeks, able to take all of his players and effectively run a spread style offense against one of the top five teams in college football the past five years, Florida, and put up lots of yards and points in victory....and two recruiting classes in at Michigan, RR struggles with a lot of his own players to effectively move the ball against Big Ten competition?

Is it all the quarterback? If Forcier is truly regressing as some UM fans on this board have suggested, does this indicate RR will be going with another first year quarterback next year if and when Gardner arrives? Does having Gardner under center entitle RR to another season of excuses for defeats and bad play?

I'm curious what the RR backers think of this?

[rickyleach]

There is no more excuses , this falls on rr , michigan is getting worse and wait until next year is getting old , i have supported rr thru his short time with michigan ,but from what i have seen overthe last few weeks is a joke , the look on his face on the sidelines was , almost like he was saying god we suck and im not sure how to fix it, our team is not getting better and this should bother all michigan fans.

[Motown74]

I didn't want to post tonight and agitate the board, but Motown raises an interesting point that I wanted to expound upon; and that is the players RR is bringing in to Michigan to run his offense, and whether the ideal Rodriguez player is ideal for Big Ten play.

In that same breath, I want to throw this out there. How was Lloyd Carr, in a span of five weeks, able to take all of his players and effectively run a spread style offense against one of the top five teams in college football the past five years, Florida, and put up lots of yards and points in victory....and two recruiting classes in at Michigan, RR struggles with a lot of his own players to effectively move the ball against Big Ten competition?

Is it all the quarterback? If Forcier is truly regressing as some UM fans on this board have suggested, does this indicate RR will be going with another first year quarterback next year if and when Gardner arrives? Does having Gardner under center entitle RR to another season of excuses for defeats and bad play?

I'm curious what the RR backers think of this?

Mike,

RR backers will continue to back him. I wish they would at least acknowledge that those Big East player types will not excel in the Big Ten. Look at the size of Juice. Look at the size of Daryll Clark at PSU. And what do we have: Tate Forcier and Denard Robinson. Doesn't add up.

[zilla]

There is no more excuses , this falls on rr , michigan is getting worse and wait until next year is getting old , i have supported rr thru his short time with michigan ,but from what i have seen overthe last few weeks is a joke , the look on his face on the sidelines was , almost like he was saying god we suck and im not sure how to fix it, our team is not getting better and this should bother all michigan fans.


ricky, I always value your opinion and your hatred for OSU is classic. For you to question RR says volumes, because yes you did give him a shot.

[wolverine]

There is no more excuses , this falls on rr , michigan is getting worse and wait until next year is getting old , i have supported rr thru his short time with michigan ,but from what i have seen overthe last few weeks is a joke , the look on his face on the sidelines was , almost like he was saying god we suck and im not sure how to fix it, our team is not getting better and this should bother all michigan fans.

well ricky welcome to the dark side your just now coming to understand what I have been saying all season long.

[Bighouse]

Look at the Oregon vs USC game. Little Oregon runs the spead and they are manhandling USC.:confused: 40 points so far!!!

[1OSUNUT]

RR is going to keep on doing only what he knows. The formula he used at West Virgina - will not work in the Big Ten unless it's tweaked. When people were bragging about what RR was going to do in this conference - I brought up a few things. I brought up the fact that RR has not won anything and that he only cares about offense. I also said that Big Ten teams will figure out his offense. When I said these things I was grilled for it. I was told the combination of RR and Barwis will make Michigan smaller, quicker and stronger - I said that I doubted it will work.

Now here we are 3/4 of the way through the season. The smaller lineman idea is not working, the Barwis training does not seem to make any difference, the spread is no big deal and RR still does not care about defense. This is the Big Ten not the Big East. This conference plays defense. I have never seen a guy get more positive press for a bowl victory then RR. He had several weeks to get ready for Georgia and he beat them - that is great. He does not have weeks to get ready for the Big Ten teams. I told you that teams will watch film and figure RR's offense out - and they have. The smaller offensive line is getting crushed as is the defensive line.

Now I look at the players RR is bringing in so far. The kids are 3 star players that are small and fast. I do not see a lot of attention being paid to the defensive side of the ball so far. Unless RR has a huge change of heart - this is what your going to get with him. Your going to get an undersized offense that is not fooling anybody and a defense with more holes in it then a slice of swiss cheese. To me a great coach (which is what many of you think RR is) makes his team better every week. A great coach is a father figure who teaches kids to be better football players - are you seeing that. I see a guy who is losing his temper and showing the pressure that is building up around him. He looked a lot more relaxed early in the season - where is that RR. RR is losing control on the sidelines and his players are losing control on the field. The kids do not seem to like playing for him right now - they have seemed to quit on him a bit today.

[Bighouse]

RR is going to keep on doing only what he knows. The formula he used at West Virgina - will not work in the Big Ten unless it's tweaked. When people were bragging about what RR was going to do in this conference - I brought up a few things. I brought up the fact that RR has not won anything and that he only cares about offense. I also said that Big Ten teams will figure out his offense. When I said these things I was grilled for it. I was told the combination of RR and Barwis will make Michigan smaller, quicker and stronger - I said that I doubted it will work.

Now here we are 3/4 of the way through the season. The smaller lineman idea is not working, the Barwis training does not seem to make any difference, the spread is no big deal and RR still does not care about defense. This is the Big Ten not the Big East. This conference plays defense. I have never seen a guy get more positive press for a bowl victory then RR. He had several weeks to get ready for Georgia and he beat them - that is great. He does not have weeks to get ready for the Big Ten teams. I told you that teams will watch film and figure RR's offense out - and they have. The smaller offensive line is getting crushed as is the defensive line.

Now I look at the players RR is bringing in so far. The kids are 3 star players that are small and fast. I do not see a lot of attention being paid to the defensive side of the ball so far. Unless RR has a huge change of heart - this is what your going to get with him. Your going to get an undersized offense that is not fooling anybody and a defense with more holes in it then a slice of swiss cheese. To me a great coach (which is what many of you think RR is) makes his team better every week. A great coach is a father figure who teaches kids to be better football players - are you seeing that. I see a guy who is losing his temper and showing the pressure that is building up around him. He looked a lot more relaxed early in the season - where is that RR. RR is losing control on the sidelines and his players are losing control on the field. The kids do not seem to like playing for him right now - they have seemed to quit on him a bit today.
I didn't read this shit but thanks for postin.

[ButlerWolverine]

Spooky. I just posted something about UM turning into Nebraska post Osborn.

I've had my fair share of battles with the RR bandwagon folks last season, but honestly I'm neutral. I want him to be successful, I want UM football to change for the better, and I want to see the Big Ten rise again.

That being said, there is no reason for us to suck this bad. I'm still very angry about last season, and especially losing to Toledo. (I know..let it go..but I won't) Like I said last year, you don't cram an offense down your team's throat that they aren't ready for. Work with what you have, and evolve the program gradually. It doesn't make sense to have your team suck as bad as they did last year when we could have at minimum doubled our wins.

Whatever.

The bottom line is that like it or not, RR is ON the hot seat. The remaining games are going to mean alot as to whether he returns next year. We may lose them, but at least lose them close. If they get blown out, he's done. And he should be. Once again, he's our coach so of course I'm pulling for him to get it done.

This is not Purdue or Indiana where a total rebuild was necessary. This is Michigan. The expectations are higher, and Saturday embarrassments will not be tolerated by the fan base or the boosters.

There is no explanation for what is going on: freshmen, poor play, etc. This is his job, and those excuses just don't fly. Call me a troll, or a whiner....fine. But the time for excuses is over. I argue that those making excuses for RR are the ones hurting the program.

7 wins is acceptable. Get it done.

[AlwaysBlue]

they should forfeit the Wisky game and win OSU. honestly.. nothing good will come out of that road game. injuries, bumps, bruises, and hurt egos.

I know its ridiculous, but he needs to beat OSU. if he's 7-5 and loses to OSU, he'll buy himself more time.. but 6-6 with a win over OSU will do a lot more in my opinion.

[Medic]

You guys must be the largest collective of ignorant, vapid, whiny, bitches on the planet. The offense works fine, when the players execute the way they are supposed to in blocking, timing, running, etc that offense is fucking awesome. You've all seen it and we even witnessed it today in part. The spread works fine half the teams in the conference use some variation of it right now. To make some cock-assed assertion that the spread won't work in the Big10 is just dumb as hell. I'm sure OSU fans would tell you the spread works fine too after Florida kicked their teeth in or when they met Purdon't this year.

The problems occur when players stop executing...or when Tate and others act like the ball has fucking grease on it. Through our first 5 games we had a +2 turnover margin. Our last 3 games (excluding Del St)? Negative Eleven. And honestly with some of the balls Tate has thrown (or fumbled away *almost*) that number could easily be -16 through 3 games. We obviously stole one from Notre Dame and laid a lot of false hopes at the feet of a 4-1 start. Today was a huge disappointment, no doubt...but you idiot assclowns barking "See LOL I told you so!" are just intolerable. You weren't saying jack shit when we were 5-2. Now 2 games later it's the apocalypse right? We lost to Iowa by 2 at Kinnick and MSU in OT because our guys are too small right? Fuck some of you people are stupid....

Am I frustrated? I will tell you many times today I was ready to break my remote, but it sure as hell wasn't because Rich Rod was calling a shitty game. GR did an excellent job calling defenses today, time and time again he had the players in positions to make plays. Offense same thing, great play calling with the exception of the goal line stuff. The kids have to fucking execute, bottom line. And before Roundtree managed to get caught from behind by a freshman We were about to go up 20-7. Absolutely the play of the game and probably the season for Illinois.

Have I lost faith in RR to run this team? Not yet, today was definitely a step backward from where I felt the team *used* to be. I will still be happy with 7-5 in whatever form that happens to take and it's still possible if we hang on to the fucking ball.

[RADRACING]

Look at the Oregon vs USC game. Little Oregon runs the spead and they are manhandling USC.:confused: 40 points so far!!!

I really think USC and OSU are just as young teams as UM, they will both have a few losses, but total melt down like UM won't happen, at some point the young team excuse will have to disappear.
Young teams that are not any good become old teams that are not any good, experience does not necessary make players any better, teams need new better players to improve.

[Motown74]

You guys must be the largest collective of ignorant, vapid, whiny, bitches on the planet. The offense works fine, when the players execute the way they are supposed to in blocking, timing, running, etc that offense is fucking awesome. You've all seen it and we even witnessed it today in part. The spread works fine half the teams in the conference use some variation of it right now. To make some cock-assed assertion that the spread won't work in the Big10 is just dumb as hell. I'm sure OSU fans would tell you the spread works fine too after Florida kicked their teeth in or when they met Purdon't this year.

The problems occur when players stop executing...or when Tate and others act like the ball has fucking grease on it. Through our first 5 games we had a +2 turnover margin. Our last 3 games (excluding Del St)? Negative Eleven. And honestly with some of the balls Tate has thrown (or fumbled away *almost*) that number could easily be -16 through 3 games. We obviously stole one from Notre Dame and laid a lot of false hopes at the feet of a 4-1 start. Today was a huge disappointment, no doubt...but you idiot assclowns barking "See LOL I told you so!" are just intolerable. You weren't saying jack shit when we were 5-2. Now 2 games later it's the apocalypse right? We lost to Iowa by 2 at Kinnick and MSU in OT because our guys are too small right? Fuck some of you people are stupid....

Am I frustrated? I will tell you many times today I was ready to break my remote, but it sure as hell wasn't because Rich Rod was calling a shitty game. GR did an excellent job calling defenses today, time and time again he had the players in positions to make plays. Offense same thing, great play calling with the exception of the goal line stuff. The kids have to fucking execute, bottom line. And before Roundtree managed to get caught from behind by a freshman We were about to go up 20-7. Absolutely the play of the game and probably the season for Illinois.

Have I lost faith in RR to run this team? Not yet, today was definitely a step backward from where I felt the team *used* to be. I will still be happy with 7-5 in whatever form that happens to take and it's still possible if we hang on to the fucking ball.

Medic,

This post is ridiculous. Read my first post. The spread is not the issue. The little fucking munchkins that RROD recruits to run the spread is the issue. Learn to read. As for playcalling, have you even been watching the games this season? What second half adjustments has he made the past two weeks?......I'm waiting.......NONE. His playcalling against PSU was a travesty and against Illinois was downright communist! :D I agree that players have to execute but damn, for all the extra practice, what the hell is going on?

[1OSUNUT]

Motown74 -

No matter what form of football you play pee wee, middle school, high school and college - it all starts with the lines. The spread offense is no different. Sure the idea is to get smaller faster guys into space so they can expose match ups. That is what smaller schools that could not match up guy for guy with the big teams came up with to compete.

If you cannot block it does not matter what kind of offense you run. The defensive lines of the Big Ten are big and fast. Big and fast will win out over small and quick every time. I called that two years ago - but I was told Barwis would be the difference. You cannot change physics - not even Barwis. Many of the problems that Ohio State has on offense are a direct result of the poor offensive line play as well.

The other side of the ball is no different. Because the Wolverine defensive line cannot get pressure or stop the run on it's own - the linebackers must help out way to much. That leaves the secondary exposed - you have seen the results. The Buckeyes are able to get pressure on the QB and stop the run with the defensive line - so the linebackers help out the secondary and cover. It's not rocket science. It just seems that RR is so concerned with scemes and plays that he forgets about things like defense and size. Look at the size of the kids he is recruiting - they are all small. That is not going to work in the Big Ten - maybe in the video game Big East it does. The Big Ten might not be the best conference in the nation - but it does play physical football, they play in cold weather and EVERYBODY plays defense. RR needs to understand that - he is finding out the hard way.

[Motown74]

Motown74 -

No matter what form of football you play pee wee, middle school, high school and college - it all starts with the lines. The spread offense is no different. Sure the idea is to get smaller faster guys into space so they can expose match ups. That is what smaller schools that could not match up guy for guy with the big teams came up with to compete.

If you cannot block it does not matter what kind of offense you run. The defensive lines of the Big Ten are big and fast. Big and fast will win out over small and quick every time. I called that two years ago - but I was told Barwis would be the difference. You cannot change physics - not even Barwis. Many of the problems that Ohio State has on offense are a direct result of the poor offensive line play as well.

The other side of the ball is no different. Because the Wolverine defensive line cannot get pressure or stop the run on it's own - the linebackers must help out way to much. That leaves the secondary exposed - you have seen the results. The Buckeyes are able to get pressure on the QB and stop the run with the defensive line - so the linebackers help out the secondary and cover. It's not rocket science. It just seems that RR is so concerned with scemes and plays that he forgets about things like defense and size. Look at the size of the kids he is recruiting - they are all small. That is not going to work in the Big Ten - maybe in the video game Big East it does. The Big Ten might not be the best conference in the nation - but it does play physical football, they play in cold weather and EVERYBODY plays defense. RR needs to understand that - he is finding out the hard way.


Nut,

I have been coaching offensive line for ten years. Lou Holtz in a book talks about his first or second NC team, the one that surprised everyone because they were predicted to be terrible that year. Defensively they were great because he did the following:

I took my slowest DL and made them OL.
I took my slowest LB and made them DL.
I took my slowest CBs and made them LB.
I took my fast WR who couldn't catch and made them CBs.

It sounds simple but it won him a NC. The OL in the SEC are ex DL who, as I say, "HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT":)

I want to reiterate: The spread is a great scheme but you don't have to run it with small guys for it to be great.

[1OSUNUT]

Florida runs the spread - their O line is huge. Urban Meyer uses a undersized defensive line because he wants his defense to swarm and fly. They have trouble with big powerful running teams - but overall it works for him.

[NCBLUE]

No doubt it was a roll of the dice. If RR's offense works then it will change the way football is played in the Big Ten and down to the HS level in the midwest. However it has not worked that great so far.

Is it the scheme itself, the smaller players, not enough of his players to fit in the system, teaching the players to execute, motivating the players or all of the above ?

I will be anxious to see how the team finishes the season. I do agree good coaches produce teams that progress as the season goes on this is two years in a row that I thought we looked worse at the end of the season than we did at the begining. Time will tell..

[The Michigan Man]

No doubt it was a roll of the dice. If RR's offense works then it will change the way football is played in the Big Ten and down to the HS level in the midwest. However it has not worked that great so far.

Is it the scheme itself, the smaller players, not enough of his players to fit in the system, teaching the players to execute, motivating the players or all of the above ?

I will be anxious to see how the team finishes the season. I do agree good coaches produce teams that progress as the season goes on this is two years in a row that I thought we looked worse at the end of the season than we did at the begining. Time will tell..

How many teams lead by 19 year old QBs have achieved glory? What was that USC vs Oregon score last night?

Next year it is an experienced Tate and Denard as well as Devon. And there will be less of Carr's boys on defense and more experience with Robinson's defense. Let's not underestimate how much of a setback it was to have to bring in a new DC this year.

[1OSUNUT]

Then look at what you lose at key positions again and the tough road schedule ? Who is going to replace Graham, Minor and Brown ?

This was the year that things were going to fall into place because many of your big games were at home. Next year @ND, @PSU, @OSU,etc - not exactly something to look forward to. Those teams are all going to be very good next year.

[Motown74]

How many teams lead by 19 year old QBs have achieved glory? What was that USC vs Oregon score last night?

Next year it is an experienced Tate and Denard as well as Devon. And there will be less of Carr's boys on defense and more experience with Robinson's defense. Let's not underestimate how much of a setback it was to have to bring in a new DC this year.

MM, have you looked at your signature lately? You might want to change that. I hope you are right and that Tate and Denard are sticking around but I can see them both leaving and here is why: Denard is riding the pine and that is not sitting well with him. Tate is injured. If he is not happy about being pushed to play through this injury or feels that his well-being is not being looked after he may walk. He comes from a family of walkers so I would not be surprised to see him go. That leaves us with Gardner. Is there enough writing on the wall for him to be second guessing himself? Only time will tell.

[NCBLUE]

MM - I agree Micgigan is young but reguardless don't you think teams should progress. Isn't that all we are asking ? Michigan was horrible last season, this season we expected 6-6, 7-5 for the young team to show progress, some promise of what they will look like in seasons to come. They showed that with a fast start but in Oct they have regressed.

I was not expecting Michigan to be a BCS team this season but RR needs to show progress each season. I still say by year 4 he needs to be competing for the Big Ten title.

[1OSUNUT]

I was at the Iggy game a few weeks ago when they played Gardner and Inkster. There was a guy sitting next to my son and I that seemed to be working. Who he worked for - I don't know, but he seemed very smart. He had sheets he was filling out and was writing notes constantly. We talked a bit at half time and I asked him how will Gardner fit in at Michigan with Tate and Robinson - then I asked if he will redshirt. The guy calmly without thinking twice said "It won't be an issue because Tate is going to transfer out".

I thought to myself that this guy is nuts - Tate is the future of the program. Now I'm not so sure. I don't think Tate or DR is happy in AA. It would really surprise me if Tate was to leave - Robinson would not shock me.

If I was a Michigan fan I would keep on Gardner. I'm sure many schools are going to come after him hard based on the failure of the Michigan program. He will be promised the world by people - you guys have better keep your fingers crossed.

[RADRACING]

Nut,

I have been coaching offensive line for ten years. Lou Holtz in a book talks about his first or second NC team, the one that surprised everyone because they were predicted to be terrible that year. Defensively they were great because he did the following:

I took my slowest DL and made them OL.
I took my slowest LB and made them DL.
I took my slowest CBs and made them LB.
I took my fast WR who couldn't catch and made them CBs.

It sounds simple but it won him a NC. The OL in the SEC are ex DL who, as I say, "HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT":)

I want to reiterate: The spread is a great scheme but you don't have to run it with small guys for it to be great.

RR keeps looking for little gems out of the small guys, when he should be looking for big diamonds, He needs to recruit big fast players for the spread like Texas and Florida, if he is ever going to be sucessful. He has the mentality like he is still at podunk U out in the hillbilly hills. He is not getting the right players to make his system work, he needs to take a step back and reevaluate.

[1OSUNUT]

But once those kids are brought in it takes 4 or 5 years for them to go away. You might be dealing with this for years - with more midgets on the way.

[number2]

Watching him yell at Fred Jackson is what truly ended it for me. My dad said something to me the other day (he was in Champaign today) that when he watches RROD on the sideline he only sees one thing -- anger. That is not good for players or for him. I don't see RROD being supportive or uplifting on the sideline at all and that bothers me because his FRESHMAN are going to need that when they make these mistakes.


Exactly what I touched on last week...I completely agree
At one point he was just pounding Minor verbally for missing a block...then he saw the replay and noticed Minor had the best block of that particular play and seemed to apologize afterward smiling and patting him on the helmet

[Motown74]

I was coached by a yeller all through high school. I think you tend to mimic the ones who coached you. Early in my coaching career I called and spoke with him about why he yelled at us and when to yell and when not to yell. He told me that, "you yell at a team when they are good because they will take it as only criticism and keep working hard. You never yell when a team is bad because they will take the criticism to heart instead of using it as motivation. That doesn't mean, never yell, but it means that you need to do more coaching. Remember this, a good team makes a coach look great, and it is easy not to coach a great team because of this. A bad team is when a coach earns his money because he has to coach through adversity and bring along players. All the yelling in the world will not bring a team along during times like these." I don't think RROD understands this concept. Therefore, a lot of blame has to fall on him.

[rickyleach]

motown , i agree i had a high school coach that was the same way , rr dosent seem to be getting thru to his players, and yelling at his coaches all the time isnt helping , I THINK HE IS LOSING CONTROL OF HIMSELF AND TEAM. THE PRESSURE IS TO GREAT FOR HIM.

[AbRKnight]

I was coached by a yeller all through high school. I think you tend to mimic the ones who coached you. Early in my coaching career I called and spoke with him about why he yelled at us and when to yell and when not to yell. He told me that, "you yell at a team when they are good because they will take it as only criticism and keep working hard. You never yell when a team is bad because they will take the criticism to heart instead of using it as motivation. That doesn't mean, never yell, but it means that you need to do more coaching. Remember this, a good team makes a coach look great, and it is easy not to coach a great team because of this. A bad team is when a coach earns his money because he has to coach through adversity and bring along players. All the yelling in the world will not bring a team along during times like these." I don't think RROD understands this concept. Therefore, a lot of blame has to fall on him.

Well maybe we can arrange a sit down between your high school coach and Rich Rodriguez and Rich can become his protege. Hopefully Rich won't dwell on his success after 2 years with almost every team he has ever coached. Hopefully he won't bring up the fact that your high school coach, in comparison, has relatively zero coaching experience at his level.

But it's worth a try right. Rich is intense and holy shit do we need that after Lloyd Carr. These are not high school kids. Many are getting a full ride to one of the most prestigious schools and football program in the country to...oh yeah, perform on the football field!

and besides that, most of his yelling is directed at coaches. I wish I could be the same as all you crybabies and complain about the poor tackling and special teams, but when Rich does the same and says WTF! to one of his coaches, then you criticize him...because ..."why does he have to be angry on the sideline?"

"can't he be more patient..?"

but I can't be the same as you because I tend to use my brain, even when thinking about this program which I love.

We finally have a coach that matches the intensity that we all have for the program and you people want to throw him under the bus for being angry at our performance Saturday?

Which way do you want it? I for one would take his reactions over mr. mellow Carr, not even grimacing as our program slides into ruin.

My God people show some stones, you react like women.

Go Blue

[Motown74]

Well maybe we can arrange a sit down between your high school coach and Rich Rodriguez and Rich can become his protege. Hopefully Rich won't dwell on his success after 2 years with almost every team he has ever coached. Hopefully he won't bring up the fact that your high school coach, in comparison, has relatively zero coaching experience at his level.

But it's worth a try right. Rich is intense and holy shit do we need that after Lloyd Carr. These are not high school kids. Many are getting a full ride to one of the most prestigious schools and football program in the country to...oh yeah, perform on the football field!

and besides that, most of his yelling is directed at coaches. I wish I could be the same as all you crybabies and complain about the poor tackling and special teams, but when Rich does the same and says WTF! to one of his coaches, then you criticize him...because ..."why does he have to be angry on the sideline?"

"can't he be more patient..?"

but I can't be the same as you because I tend to use my brain, even when thinking about this program which I love.

We finally have a coach that matches the intensity that we all have for the program and you people want to throw him under the bus for being angry at our performance Saturday?

Which way do you want it? I for one would take his reactions over mr. mellow Carr, not even grimacing as our program slides into ruin.

My God people show some stones, you react like women.

Go Blue

What brain is that? Your posts indicate that you don't know the first thing about coaching football. That is okay. As for my coach, when Rich Rod is inducted into three different Hall of Fames, then come and talk to me about success. :rolleyes:

[AbRKnight]

What brain is that? Your posts indicate that you don't know the first thing about coaching football. That is okay. As for my coach, when Rich Rod is inducted into three different Hall of Fames, then come and talk to me about success. :rolleyes:

This posts has about as much merit as your previous...blanket statement...

"Your posts indicate that you don't know the first thing about coaching football."

for which you provide no evidence and that is really off topic anyway since no one was discussing my ability to coach football. Pretty sure I was discussing your criticism of our current coach. Was I not?

FYI, choosing to stay off topic and attack me personally does little to give credibility to your point of view.

[Motown74]

This posts has about as much merit as your previous...blanket statement...

"Your posts indicate that you don't know the first thing about coaching football."

for which you provide no evidence and that is really off topic anyway since no one was discussing my ability to coach football. Pretty sure I was discussing your criticism of our current coach. Was I not?

FYI, choosing to stay off topic and attack me personally does little to give credibility to your point of view.

Your posts are evidence that you have no idea how to coach football nor motivate those you are trying to win a game with. My comments are not off topic when you use these idiotic posts to try and make a point (which you have not done). My criticism of RROD comes from my experience as a player for ten years and a coach for ten years. I am pretty sure I have the qualifications to criticize RROD considering my resume as a coach and that I run the same offense that RROD has been running since Glenville State. Can you say the same? Attacking you personally is what you get when you make stupid ass comments like your original post. Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

[AbRKnight]

Your posts are evidence that you have no idea how to coach football nor motivate those you are trying to win a game with. My comments are not off topic when you use these idiotic posts to try and make a point (which you have not done). My criticism of RROD comes from my experience as a player for ten years and a coach for ten years. I am pretty sure I have the qualifications to criticize RROD considering my resume as a coach and that I run the same offense that RROD has been running since Glenville State. Can you say the same? Attacking you personally is what you get when you make stupid ass comments like your original post. Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

Well you have definitely proved your point now. After that resume I really can't question your opinions in any way especially about football. Please accept my apologies guy.

[Frank Rizzo]

I have to be honest with ALL of you.I cant believe Im hearing this bullshit.Any one of you that have turned your back on our coach this early,I say FUCK YOU.NO ONE IN THE COUNTRY can turn a program around in two god dam seasons.Especially a program that was, and is, in complete disaray.Not one of you fans, or so called fans will ever hear me turn on our coach or program until they get a fair shot.20 games is not a fair shot.I think ALL of you cry babies need to check yourself........:mad:

[zilla]

Your posts are evidence that you have no idea how to coach football nor motivate those you are trying to win a game with. My comments are not off topic when you use these idiotic posts to try and make a point (which you have not done). My criticism of RROD comes from my experience as a player for ten years and a coach for ten years. I am pretty sure I have the qualifications to criticize RROD considering my resume as a coach and that I run the same offense that RROD has been running since Glenville State. Can you say the same? Attacking you personally is what you get when you make stupid ass comments like your original post. Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

motown you better watch out or abrknight will challenge you to a flag football like he did with me. Not sure what playing flag football would solve but man what a weird thing to challenge some person with.

Is abrknight mentally stable? Not sure.

[Motown74]

motown you better watch out or abrknight will challenge you to a flag football like he did with me. Not sure what playing flag football would solve but man what a weird thing to challenge some person with.

Is abrknight mentally stable? Not sure.

HAHA! LMAO! At least he wasn't challenging you to a wrestling match in body oil or something like that!

[Motown74]

Well you have definitely proved your point now. After that resume I really can't question your opinions in any way especially about football. Please accept my apologies guy.

The problem was you never questioned anything. You made a sarcastic bullshit statement about some sage advice from my old ball coach who has forgotten more about football than you or I will ever know. Coaching is a psychology because you are trying to manipulate people to do what you want them to do. Yelling is the way that RROD is going and it obviously isn't working. That is my original blanket statement that you referred to. You can call it an opinion but from what I can see it is more fact than opinion. I don't mind that he yells one bit. I like fiery, hell I wanted Les Miles to be the coach. He isn't exactly Mother Theresa. My point is you have to know WHEN to yell. Yelling is easy. The latter is tough.

[AbRKnight]

motown you better watch out or abrknight will challenge you to a flag football like he did with me. Not sure what playing flag football would solve but man what a weird thing to challenge some person with.

Is abrknight mentally stable? Not sure.

Hey the flag thing made more sense in its proper context, you said something about people not agreeing with you must have "never played the game." However, I will admit I had a couple of drinks after yesterdays game so you got me there.

[OMAZENBLUE]

I have to be honest with ALL of you.I cant believe Im hearing this bullshit.Any one of you that have turned your back on our coach this early,I say FUCK YOU.NO ONE IN THE COUNTRY can turn a program around in two god dam seasons.Especially a program that was, and is, in complete disaray.Not one of you fans, or so called fans will ever hear me turn on our coach or program until they get a fair shot.20 games is not a fair shot.I think ALL of you cry babies need to check yourself........:mad:


I would not call it turning our backs on our Coach, I would call what you are doing is turning your back and ignoring the signs that this is a very poorly Coached football team! A team that is losing the belief in the coaching staff, A team that is losing belief in themselves due to the Coaching staff!

You can't sit there and tell me when you watch this shit on Saturdays that at the end of the game you are truely happy and believe that what you just witnessed was a team that was getting better? In no area's of the Offense, Defense or special Teams have we improved!

So your telling me that the players enjoy losing every week? It is clearly cut dry the coaching staff that has this team in disaray!

If somebody was leading me into an ambush, you better believe I am turning my back and running! The signs are clear and I will not sit here and ignore them as some of you choose to.

I know it sounds good to act like you support RR but you will be worn out with it soon and will come to terms.

I am not proud to have to admit that RR is not working out because I supported him 100% But sometimes the hardest thing to do is admit that there is a problem! And there is!

[Medic]

what you are doing is turning your back and ignoring the signs that this is a very poorly Coached football team! A team that is losing the belief in the coaching staff, A team that is losing belief in themselves due to the Coaching staff!


You are too ignorant to post. Every time you have the urge to comment or provide your "in depth" analysis pertaining to Michigan football please resist the urge and save us from accidentally reading your stupidity.

[zilla]

I have to be honest with ALL of you.I cant believe Im hearing this bullshit.Any one of you that have turned your back on our coach this early,I say FUCK YOU.NO ONE IN THE COUNTRY can turn a program around in two god dam seasons.Especially a program that was, and is, in complete disaray.Not one of you fans, or so called fans will ever hear me turn on our coach or program until they get a fair shot.20 games is not a fair shot.I think ALL of you cry babies need to check yourself........:mad:

Who would ever do such a thing?

You wrote this yesterday:

Im really starting to question robisons "fucking Defense".....son of a bitch defense is pathetic.:





I hope I didn't upset you frank, you kind of scare me.

[zilla]

You are too ignorant to post. Every time you have the urge to comment or provide your "in depth" analysis pertaining to Michigan football please resist the urge and save us from accidentally reading your stupidity.

Where is this coming from? You once gave me crap in the other part of the forum for insults and yet you have been on a roll lately. Not saying it is wrong, just wow.

[ButlerWolverine]

I have a serious question, and am not trying to flame anyone...

I keep hearing about "turning the Michigan program around". Fair enough. But I think it's also fair to ask how going from 8,9 and 10 win seasons to a 3 win season and this crap we're watching turning it around. I wasn't aware that UM football was in the toilet and needed to be completely dismantled. When my Jeep needs new tires, I don't tear out the tranny and the engine also just to end up with a Pinto.

Just a thought.

[amazinblue]

I have a serious question, and am not trying to flame anyone...

I keep hearing about "turning the Michigan program around". Fair enough. But I think it's also fair to ask how going from 8,9 and 10 win seasons to a 3 win season and this crap we're watching turning it around. I wasn't aware that UM football was in the toilet and needed to be completely dismantled. When my Jeep needs new tires, I don't tear out the tranny and the engine also just to end up with a Pinto.

Just a thought.

How about that 7 win season a few years ago? Does that bring back memories or had you forgotten about it?

Maybe that #5 ranked team that was beaten by App. State and taken to the woodshed by Oregon? Are those the stellar (not in the toilet) Michigan teams you were referring to?

[1OSUNUT]

Look at all the elite teams - they have 2 or 3 very good years then they slip a bit for a season. The Florida team you beat in 2007 lost a few games and was very young in the secondary. The experience they got taking their lumps that season helped them win the NC the following year. Michigan needed a tune up - not an engine rebuild.

[goblue]

It's obviously not working right now. There's no way Michigan should be this bad. And people have a right to be angry whether they support Rich Rodriguez or not. What really hurt my confidence with RR's spread is when we couldn't get it into the endzone on first and goal at the one against a team like Illinois. That tells me that the offensive line isn't big and physical enough for big ten teams on a weekly basis. Maybe in bowl games in warm weather when it's a one time thing. Sure, that might work. Just not on a weekly basis in cold weather.

I guarantee you Carr's teams with players such as Jake Long and company would have gotten that one in the endzone fifty out of fifty times on first and goal at the one. Long would have pancaked that defense the whole game. And they would have manhandled Illinois by just keeping it on the ground as well as a mixture of drop back passing from Henne to Manningham & Arrington and company. Then they would have just pounded it out with Hart or our many other physical backs that we've had over the years. Hell, as bad as we seemed with Carr, we still owned Penn State and Michigan State. I want those days back.

Some people think you're weak or a woman if you start getting soft when things get this bad. But it also takes a big man to face the truth and swallow your pride and admit you've made a mistake instead of pretending that this thing is going to work just to prove people wrong. It's called courage. Courage means facing the truth.

What's really bugging me is I'm starting to think this was a bad hire even though I was a big supporter of this hire. Carr definitely had to go. But we didn't have to turn our program over to something this extreme from an outsider. We could have kept the same, physical "Michigan man" mentality but just fine tuned it more with better playcalling and opening up our offense more at the right times.

Another thing that's bugging me is the way RR is always picked on. It's not right and it's not fair. But for some reason it just seems many people don't like this man around here. It kind of reminds me of Sarah Palin. It's not right and it's not fair. But she's always picked on and ended up being a controversial figure even though she lifted the republican party up after her famous convention speech. RR seems to be the same way. He's picked on and ended up being a controversial figure before he even had a chance to start.

If RR is fired before his contract is up I hope we "Michigan men" learn something from this. Firstly, don't hire an outsider no matter how tempting. That includes Chris Petersen from Boise State. The last thing I want to see around here is a man from the mountain west who has no idea how big ten football is played. Hire a "Michigan man" or an "Ohio man" and convert the "Ohio man" into a "Michigan man" like we did with Bo. Secondly, stick to the way Michigan used to play football, even under Carr, with the pounding it out with big, physical players, with a pro-set conventional offense. But get the defense better and open up the playbook more than Carrr did to take advantage of our talent. That's the biggest mistake I think Michigan made. We just needed to tweak it from what Carr was doing. Not a complete overhaul. After all, didn't we lead the nation with consecutive bowl games until RR got here?

[OMAZENBLUE]

You are too ignorant to post. Every time you have the urge to comment or provide your "in depth" analysis pertaining to Michigan football please resist the urge and save us from accidentally reading your stupidity.

Damn I just had the urge to post!

How about you just put me on your ignore list? How about you just not read my post? I did not get the memo that we had to post to Medics standards!

Dude, your so cool!!!!!!!

See ya on the next post!:):)

[Medic]

Where is this coming from? You once gave me crap in the other part of the forum for insults and yet you have been on a roll lately. Not saying it is wrong, just wow.

Usually, I have a high tolerance for opposing points of view and rational discussion even those I don't agree with. Maybe I've finally flipped. The inane vomit being spewed by Omazen, RTB, and others is so over the top I guess I can't let it go, or maybe I should just put them on ignore. I mean it's seriously impossible to quantify the fucking idiocy that they type. There isn't a word to describe it.

OSUnut looks normal and well informed by comparison. Ugh.

[Wolvrin704]

Usually, I have a high tolerance for opposing points of view and rational discussion even those I don't agree with. Maybe I've finally flipped. The inane vomit being spewed by Omazen, RTB, and others is so over the top I guess I can't let it go, or maybe I should just put them on ignore. I mean it's seriously impossible to quantify the fucking idiocy that they type. There isn't a word to describe it.

OSUnut looks normal and well informed by comparison. Ugh.

No kidding. RTB and a few of the trolls have always been held up as examples of idiots based on their comments and insane outlook on UM and CFB in general. Now so many of the fence sitters and boo birds are in total agreement with that ilk. Makes me sick.

Just 2 games ago they felt good because the losses we had were close, now because we lose a couple of bad ones we suck and we'll never get good again. Pulease! This year most of us expected to end up with 6-8 wins, lose a few we shouldn't and win a few we shouldn't. We're right about where we should be so no need to go off the deep end.

And I agree, NUT is normal comaratively. Although I'll still get after him when he goes too far.

[ButlerWolverine]

How about that 7 win season a few years ago? Does that bring back memories or had you forgotten about it?

Maybe that #5 ranked team that was beaten by App. State and taken to the woodshed by Oregon? Are those the stellar (not in the toilet) Michigan teams you were referring to?

Thank you for such a thoughtful and intelligent post, minus sarcasm. It'd be hard for me to forget those games since I was at both of them.

Name the last UM team that won 3 games in a season? Or 5?

At least the 7 win team recovered after the Oregon smackdown. This team is frighteningly bad this year. Will be interesting to see how things play out.

Again, I hope we don't turn into Nebraska after their experiment with "change".

Go Blue.

[ButlerWolverine]

Furthermore, I'm not one of the doom sayers so get off my back. I'm sick of reading the rantings of RTB, but the posts of the RR clan are as equally sickening. The blinding ignorance of supporting somebody at all costs makes me want to vomit, and the way dissent is attacked on this site is ridiculous.

It's a fuc*ing website about football. Get a grip on reality.

[amazinblue]

Butler,

I have been a supporter of RR's - I'll certainly admit that. The basic reason for my support is this - I feel that Michigan football had been falling into a mediocrity and malaise for years. Sure, 2006 was a solid season - prior to that - it was 1997. What frustrated me immensely was that we seemed to recruit solid talent, and that talent spent four years at Michigan usually underperforming or certainly not maximizing their talent and developing to their potential. What frustrated me was seeing these players move through Michigan and then excelling in the NFL. I asked myself - where was this play - their abilities showcased - while they were in Ann Arbor.

RR and his staff are changing the culture. Many may not like it. But, this change in culture - demanding that players push themselves - or be pushed by the staff - is really what is needed. Change is not easy - it's painful - as every Michigan fan is realizing - both last year and this.

I'm confident and hopeful that we've seen glimpses of what this team can do - and will do in the future. The team is young. The system is relatively new. And, the D has struggled for a variety of reasons.

I wish the team's progress was more pronounced - though, the only two games I was very disappointed with were PSU and Illinois. We have three more games this season. Again, I do believe we can win out. It will take the best the team has to offer - and, it will come down to execution in all aspects of the game - O, D, and special teams.

I'd like to think I'm realistic. I had - and still have - hopes for an 8-4 season. It seems like a tremendous challenge right now. Though - through 9 games, I've predicted Michigan's wins and losses to the "t".

I'd welcome opposing perspectives - and preferably articulate argument - and, I'm not implying that yours isn't. I do believe that certain things could have evolved differently - and, our execution of fundamentals - blocking and tackling - though improving, is not improving as quickly as I would have hoped. Certain players, like Cissoko, didn't develop as much as I would have liked.

Is RR perfect? No, he isn't. Do I like the environment he's creating in Ann Arbor? Yes, I do. Is RR setting expectations that can't be met? I don't think so - and my expectations are competing for Big 10 and MNC's every season. It requires a foundation - a change in culture - and he and the team are establishing and buidling that foundation every day.

I do believe the future is bright. I'm hopeful we'll finish the season strong, and be able to take advantage of the additional practice time that a bowl trip would allow.

Go Blue...

[Medic]

Butler,

I have been a supporter of RR's - I'll certainly admit that. The basic reason for my support is this - I feel that Michigan football had been falling into a mediocrity and malaise for years. Sure, 2006 was a solid season - prior to that - it was 1997. What frustrated me immensely was that we seemed to recruit solid talent, and that talent spent four years at Michigan usually underperforming or certainly not maximizing their talent and developing to their potential. What frustrated me was seeing these players move through Michigan and then excelling in the NFL. I asked myself - where was this play - their abilities showcased - while they were in Ann Arbor.

RR and his staff are changing the culture. Many may not like it. But, this change in culture - demanding that players push themselves - or be pushed by the staff - is really what is needed. Change is not easy - it's painful - as every Michigan fan is realizing - both last year and this.

I'm confident and hopeful that we've seen glimpses of what this team can do - and will do in the future. The team is young. The system is relatively new. And, the D has struggled for a variety of reasons.

I wish the team's progress was more pronounced - though, the only two games I was very disappointed with were PSU and Illinois. We have three more games this season. Again, I do believe we can win out. It will take the best the team has to offer - and, it will come down to execution in all aspects of the game - O, D, and special teams.

I'd like to think I'm realistic. I had - and still have - hopes for an 8-4 season. It seems like a tremendous challenge right now. Though - through 9 games, I've predicted Michigan's wins and losses to the "t".

I'd welcome opposing perspectives - and preferably articulate argument - and, I'm not implying that yours isn't. I do believe that certain things could have evolved differently - and, our execution of fundamentals - blocking and tackling - though improving, is not improving as quickly as I would have hoped. Certain players, like Cissoko, didn't develop as much as I would have liked.

Is RR perfect? No, he isn't. Do I like the environment he's creating in Ann Arbor? Yes, I do. Is RR setting expectations that can't be met? I don't think so - and my expectations are competing for Big 10 and MNC's every season. It requires a foundation - a change in culture - and he and the team are establishing and buidling that foundation every day.

I do believe the future is bright. I'm hopeful we'll finish the season strong, and be able to take advantage of the additional practice time that a bowl trip would allow.

Go Blue...

Very well stated.

[osusteve]

I wonder if Coach Rodriguez is a younger version of Bobby Knight. Hard nosed, verbally abusive, physically and emotionally demanding to the players, and the type of coach that in today's world can only recruit certain types of types (but not the 5 star variety).

Just as Knight in his later years could not get the top tier talent because of his methods and reputation, Coach Rodriguez may be facing the same problem. Today's top high school players may simply stay away from a program with a coach like RichRod.

High school stud athletes don't want Michigan for the academics. They don't want Michigan for the weather or even tradition. If they can get to the NFL by playing with a kinder and gentler coach and program, that is what most of them will probably do.

[OMAZENBLUE]

Usually, I have a high tolerance for opposing points of view and rational discussion even those I don't agree with. Maybe I've finally flipped. The inane vomit being spewed by Omazen, RTB, and others is so over the top I guess I can't let it go, or maybe I should just put them on ignore. I mean it's seriously impossible to quantify the fucking idiocy that they type. There isn't a word to describe it.

OSUnut looks normal and well informed by comparison. Ugh.


Ambulance Driver,

I would love to be a fly on your wall during the game, Are you even watching the games? Just exactly what are you seeing to make you believe that this team is getting better? Please tell me? Quit making excuses about being young, we just completed game 9 in year 2 of the RR era and we are just as bad as last year! Isn't a team suppose to improve along the season instead of digress? You can lose and still show improvement but that is not the case here! Did I miss something in Football 101?

So I'm idiot for seeing that? WOW!

You give nothing to this board except one liners, it's to easy and coward of you to call people idiots on here rather then state your claim! Just shows what a weasel you are!

[tpilews]

Just as Knight in his later years could not get the top tier talent because of his methods and reputation, Coach Rodriguez may be facing the same problem. Today's top high school players may simply stay away from a program with a coach like RichRod.


You don't think that being the basketball coach at TTU in the middle of football country had anything to do with it? Knight continually brought in great talent at IU.

[Medic]

Ambulance Driver,

I would love to be a fly on your wall during the game, Are you even watching the games? Just exactly what are you seeing to make you believe that this team is getting better? Please tell me? Quit making excuses about being young, we just completed game 9 in year 2 of the RR era and we are just as bad as last year! Isn't a team suppose to improve along the season instead of digress? You can lose and still show improvement but that is not the case here! Did I miss something in Football 101?

So I'm idiot for seeing that? WOW!



There is a vast and deep chasm between the bitching and crying you and others do and being a rational dissenter from the current program. Since perspective seems to be something you lack, I will lay it out for you:

Rational RR Hating Michigan Fan: "I think the play calling on the goal line was garbage and implies a systemic problem with not just the players and execution, but the coaches inability to effectively prepare the team for those situations. Here is exhibit a, b, c, d. As you can see these situations give light to a larger issue and supports my argument.

Assclown RR Hating Fan: "FUK DICKROD!!! This team has no heart and sux fat dix on teh field! ITS ALL COACHING!!!! WUT THE FUK WAS THAT GOALINE BULLSHIT!!! Maybe he should take his shitty act back to teh sister humpers in WVU!!! NO MORE EXCUSES!! WHERE IS OUR BCS GAME!?!? FIRE DIK!!! I don't know about you guyz but I AM NOT GONNA TAKE THIS N E MORE! WHAT A FUCKIN LOSER!! GET RID OF THAT BUM! BOOO!

You sir, fall into the latter category.

[Shauneyboy68]

There is a vast and deep chasm between the bitching and crying you and others do and being a rational dissenter from the current program. Since perspective seems to be something you lack, I will lay it out for you:

Rational RR Hating Michigan Fan: "I think the play calling on the goal line was garbage and implies a systemic problem with not just the players and execution, but the coaches inability to effectively prepare the team for those situations. Here is exhibit a, b, c, d. As you can see these situations give light to a larger issue and supports my argument.

Assclown RR Hating Fan: "FUK DICKROD!!! This team has no heart and sux fat dix on teh field! ITS ALL COACHING!!!! WUT THE FUK WAS THAT GOALINE BULLSHIT!!! Maybe he should take his shitty act back to teh sister humpers in WVU!!! NO MORE EXCUSES!! WHERE IS OUR BCS GAME!?!? FIRE DIK!!! I don't know about you guyz but I AM NOT GONNA TAKE THIS N E MORE! WHAT A FUCKIN LOSER!! GET RID OF THAT BUM! BOOO!

You sir, fall into the latter category.

Is that second one an actual quote by someone?

[Medic]

I took the collective energy of RTB, Omazen, and Rad Racing and combined it into one stream of consciousness. Pretty good right?

[primetime101]

hey Motown,

you sound as confident in saying that RRod will fail as you said that Brian Kelly would fail at Cincinnati. Everyone should listen to you right? You're a fucking joke, yea lets bring back LLLLLLLoyd so we will guarantee another 3 or 4 loss season and underachieving players. That being said we really need to get to a bowl game so we can have the extra practice time. And I for one can't wait for next year, when all of LLLLLLoyd's shitty recruits are finally out of here, and our whole team is "ALL IN for MICHIGAN"

[OMAZENBLUE]

There is a vast and deep chasm between the bitching and crying you and others do and being a rational dissenter from the current program. Since perspective seems to be something you lack, I will lay it out for you:

Rational RR Hating Michigan Fan: "I think the play calling on the goal line was garbage and implies a systemic problem with not just the players and execution, but the coaches inability to effectively prepare the team for those situations. Here is exhibit a, b, c, d. As you can see these situations give light to a larger issue and supports my argument.

Assclown RR Hating Fan: "FUK DICKROD!!! This team has no heart and sux fat dix on teh field! ITS ALL COACHING!!!! WUT THE FUK WAS THAT GOALINE BULLSHIT!!! Maybe he should take his shitty act back to teh sister humpers in WVU!!! NO MORE EXCUSES!! WHERE IS OUR BCS GAME!?!? FIRE DIK!!! I don't know about you guyz but I AM NOT GONNA TAKE THIS N E MORE! WHAT A FUCKIN LOSER!! GET RID OF THAT BUM! BOOO!

You sir, fall into the latter category.


Love all the Quotes but It seems to me that NOT one of those are mine? Please go back and read my post's before you start putting quotes up that are not even mine!

I have never once even called RR a name on here, I still like the guy but I think he is doing a poor job at developing this team right now!

It just shows that you are not even reading my post's, you just can't take any negativity towards RR because you have such a love fest for him that you can't see past that!

I challenge you to find a post of mine where I am spewing hatred towards RR like your stupid little made up quotes say? I"ll be waiting!

[OMAZENBLUE]

Love all the Quotes but It seems to me that NOT one of those are mine? Please go back and read my post's before you start putting quotes up that are not even mine!

I have never once even called RR a name on here, I still like the guy but I think he is doing a poor job at developing this team right now!

It just shows that you are not even reading my post's, you just can't take any negativity towards RR because you have such a love fest for him that you can't see past that!

I challenge you to find a post of mine where I am spewing hatred towards RR like your stupid little made up quotes say? I"ll be waiting!



Ambulance Driver,


Just wanted to let you know that I'm still waiting?

[Sten Carlson]

Ambulance Driver,


Just wanted to let you know that I'm still waiting?

One day, only days before I was to be married to my first wife, I was at the golf course and got paired up with this old Texan, I don't recall his name.

We played a few holes, and got to talking while waiting to hit our tee shots on a par three.

"So, you got a girl friend?" He asked.

"Actually, I am engaged to be married in just a week or so." I replied excitedly.

"Married huh?"

"Yes sir." I said.

He stepped toward me briskly and grabbed my arm and squeezed it with a force that shocked me. He stared straight at me from behind bushy eyebrow and said nothing for a long enough moment that I began to feel uncomfortable. His lips quivered slightly, and it seemed he was trying to speak but couldn't muster the words.

Finally, as if the rage that was pent up inside of him could be held back no longer, he hollered far too loudly, as only an old Texan can, "Let me tell you something!"

"If you put a nickle in a jar every time your soon-to-be wifey there gave you a blow job BEFORE you walked down that aisle, and you take one of those very same nickles out of that very same jar every time she gives you a blow job AFTER your married...I don't care if you're married for a HUNDRED FUCKING YEARS, YOU AIN'T NEVER GOING TO GET ALL THOSE NICKLES OUT OF THAT JAR!!!!"

I figured he'd been waiting around for his wife to give him a blow job for a long time.

The moral to this story, boys and girls, is don't wait around to get all those nickles out of the jar, carpe diem, or something like that.

[Vested_Interest]

...The moral to this story, boys and girls, is don't wait around to get all those nickles out of the jar, carpe diem, or something like that.

So, your advice to OMAZEN is that he forces Medic to fellate him?

If so, isn't that kind of gay?

[Sten Carlson]

So, your advice to OMAZEN is that he forces Medic to fellate him?

If so, isn't that kind of gay?

I wouldn't go so far as to say "force" him to fallate him -- I'll leave the solicitation of rape to you.

I was just saying, keep on waiting and you'll end up a bitter old man, maybe not a Texan, but who can blame you for that.

I wasn't born in Texas, I just got here as soon as I could!

[Vested_Interest]

...I'll leave the solicitation of rape to you. [...]

Hey, I was just trying to make sense of your story as it relates to OMAZEN's apparent impatience. Solicitation of rape seemed the most logical option.

[Sten Carlson]

Solicitation of rape seemed the most logical option.

How typical for a Buckeye!

My story really had no relevence, but it obviously got your creative juices flowing!

[Shauneyboy68]

I don't want to think or hear about Vest's juices. Ever. Thanks for the nightmeres Sten.

[Bo23]

Florida runs the spread - their O line is huge. Urban Meyer uses a undersized defensive line because he wants his defense to swarm and fly. They have trouble with big powerful running teams - but overall it works for him.

Nut until you manage something besides the local Dollar General, STFU about giving advice. Seriously, you;re the biggest douchebag on this site and the world would be a better place if you killed yourself. You damn queer!