Not to stereotype, and I'm a whitey...

[goblue]

but I think it's going to take a black qb to run RR's offense in the long term. Otherwise, the run option will never be the threat that it's supposed to be. If I had to guess, I think RR doesn't have the qb that he really wants. Forcier was just the best that he was able to get last year. But not the one who he really wants. DeRob isn't the answer either. Not big and physical enough, even though he's fast as hell. But he too isn't made for RR's qb in the long term.

I think if Gardner can prove himself early next year, RR won't hesitate to put him in so he can run the offense the way he really wants to. That might mean being more patient with another freshman qb. But if Gardner really is the Terrelle Pryor type that is made for RR's offense, don't you think he'll put him in being that his time is running out? Tressel is a great coach, and he worked Pryor into being a starter his true freshman year. Then why wouldn't RR do the same?

[FLex500]

but I think it's going to take a black qb to run RR's offense in the long term. Otherwise, the run option will never be the threat that it's supposed to be. If I had to guess, I think RR doesn't have the qb that he really wants. Forcier was just the best that he was able to get last year. But not the one who he really wants. DeRob isn't the answer either. Not big and physical enough, even though he's fast as hell. But he too isn't made for RR's qb in the long term.

I think if Gardner can prove himself early next year, RR won't hesitate to put him in so he can run the offense the way he really wants to. That might mean being more patient with another freshman qb. But if Gardner really is the Terrelle Pryor type that is made for RR's offense, don't you think he'll put him in being that his time is running out? Tressel is a great coach, and he worked Pryor into being a starter his true freshman year. Then why wouldn't RR do the same?
I actually think DROB is a perfect fit. he is like 6'1" and 185 right now. He can surely put on 10 pounds or so and be a 195-205 pound guy. Anyway just remember Pat White he looked like a chicken with its head cut off when he began at WVU. Pat White is also not some physical specimen.

ALso many of us, including me, have gotten off track with TP...making me, and others think we need a 6'9" 290 pound guy who runs a 4.3 40...obviously I'm exaggerating but RR doesn't need a one of a kind world beater who is an elite physical specimen. Whether that person needs to be white or black IMO is irrelevent...just fast.

[Vested_Interest]

From here (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/288913-michigan-rumor-mill-is-the-honeymoon-over-already-for-tater-tot):


1. Denard is starting on Saturday.

2. Tate is not happy about this.

3. Tate put some interesting comments on his Facebook profile yesterday regarding this issue (this has been verified by a number of people).

4. Tate's dad is urging him to transfer, and he is apparently considering it.

I know, I know -- the 'rumor mill' is notoriously unreliable.

Still...?

[Vested_Interest]

but I think it's going to take a black qb to run RR's offense in the long term. [...]I think if Gardner can prove himself...

News Flash: he's black. Case closed.

[FLex500]

News Flash: he's black. Case closed.
dang I like your picture you look huuuuuuugggeeeeee

[MoellerLover69(LloydCarr)]

From here (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/288913-michigan-rumor-mill-is-the-honeymoon-over-already-for-tater-tot):



I know, I know -- the 'rumor mill' is notoriously unreliable.

Still...?

Ha Ha! Avatar is hillarious! What was the Facebook rumoured to have said?

[ButlerWolverine]

Serious non-flaming question:

I've watched spread teams fall apart time and time again because their mobile QB goes down. Does no one else see this as a HUGE flaw with this offense?

Yeah yeah, any starting QB goes down and it hurts...but, you usually don't see the epic disasters that have become teams like Oregon, WVU......it concerns me as a mobile QB almost always gets banged up in the season. I'd just like to see some staying power and a backup plan. That's one of the big reasons that a pure spread offense is dangerous. A great solid pro set always helps. Look at USC in most years.....one QB goes down, and they bring in the backup who can at least maintain the status quo.

Sorry for the hijack.

I'm not sure being black and being able to run is a must for the spread....I think being elusive, which Tate can be, is more important. His first option should never be to run the ball on a pass play....hence, many of these mobile QB's get to the NFL and are an epic fail.

[Vested_Interest]

dang I like your picture you look huuuuuuugggeeeeee

I've been workin' out ...and as you can see, I've gotten some decent results over the past couple of days.

On the down side, it's kind of hard being the big man in a little vest around here.

[Vested_Interest]

Ha Ha! Avatar is hillarious! What was the Facebook rumoured to have said?

I haven't delved into the Bleacher Report story, so I couldn't tell you.

It might be worth looking into for Michigan fans.

[MSPBlue]

Serious non-flaming question:

I've watched spread teams fall apart time and time again because their mobile QB goes down. Does no one else see this as a HUGE flaw with this offense?

Yeah yeah, any starting QB goes down and it hurts...but, you usually don't see the epic disasters that have become teams like Oregon, WVU......it concerns me as a mobile QB almost always gets banged up in the season. I'd just like to see some staying power and a backup plan. That's one of the big reasons that a pure spread offense is dangerous. A great solid pro set always helps. Look at USC in most years.....one QB goes down, and they bring in the backup who can at least maintain the status quo.

Sorry for the hijack.

I'm not sure being black and being able to run is a must for the spread....I think being elusive, which Tate can be, is more important. His first option should never be to run the ball on a pass play....hence, many of these mobile QB's get to the NFL and are an epic fail.

Brian Cook from Mgoblog did a big piece on this topic. According to him, studies have shown that their is no significant difference in the frequency of injuries between drop back qb's and spread qb's. In addition, regarding "epic disasters," he said that the study showed that spread quarterbacks, when they do get injured, are out for less time statistically than drop back passers. I can't speak the the validity of the study. I'm just reporting what Mgoblog said. FYI.

[ButlerWolverine]

Do you have a link to that story? I'd like to read it. I keep thinking back to the Dixon injury totally ending Oregon's season, and WVU without White at the helm against Pitt...and a bad Pitt at that.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

Do you have a link to that story? I'd like to read it. I keep thinking back to the Dixon injury totally ending Oregon's season, and WVU without White at the helm against Pitt...and a bad Pitt at that.

Here is one diary post about it; there are probably more:
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/busting-myth-option-qb-fragility

as to the OP:
no offense man, but that's kind of an ignorant viewpoint.
Caucasian Major CFB Spread QB's:
Colt McCoy (Texas), Matt Grothe (South Florida), Dan LeFevour (CMU), Tim Tebow (Florida), Zac Robinson (OSU), Christian Ponder (FSU), Zach Collaros (Cincinnati)

That's just one class. There is another group of guys that I wouldn't put on the same tier as those guys such as Forcier, Joey Elliott from Purdue, etc...

I would also point out as a side note that Forcier is probably one of very few whitey QB's actively recruited by Rodriguez.

[BoGoBlue]

I think you are right about RR not being satisfied with Forcier. But if he did the same for his QB at WVU, and made that kid into a good QB, then can't he work with Forcier? And if Forceir transfers he would have to transfer to a smaller college bc his size will kill him at another big program. I think Forcier is a good kid who is smart on the field, and he has made some bad decisions. But if D-Rob starts, it won' help RR's case. I hear what you are saying though. Basically all we can hope for is a better run next year, bc this season is already over.

[Sten Carlson]

...Basically all we can hope for is a better run next year, bc this season is already over.

Can you be any more pessimistic? Your attitude DISGUSTS me! Grow a pair and stop being such a COWARD!

[NCBLUE]

I hope RR continues to play the players he thinks will give Michigan the best chance at winning the game.

As disaappointed as I have been with this season and even though it will be an uphill battle to win either of the next two games we cannot pack it in and wait for next season.

[cartyboi]

I am friends with Tate Forcier on Facebook and I haven't seen anything negative..

[goblue]

Here is one diary post about it; there are probably more:
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/busting-myth-option-qb-fragility

as to the OP:
no offense man, but that's kind of an ignorant viewpoint.
Caucasian Major CFB Spread QB's:
Colt McCoy (Texas), Matt Grothe (South Florida), Dan LeFevour (CMU), Tim Tebow (Florida), Zac Robinson (OSU), Christian Ponder (FSU), Zach Collaros (Cincinnati)

That's just one class. There is another group of guys that I wouldn't put on the same tier as those guys such as Forcier, Joey Elliott from Purdue, etc...

I would also point out as a side note that Forcier is probably one of very few whitey QB's actively recruited by Rodriguez.

It does sound somewhat ignorant about what I said. It's definitely not the politically correct thing to say. As I said, I don't want to stereotype. It's just one of those gut feelings that you get about something that you don't have clear cut evidence about.

Last year I believe RR originally got a verbal from Kevin Newsome, who is black. But after Newsome changed his verbal to Penn State, the only one available with the highest status was Forcier. The year before that RR badly wanted Pryor. I'm not saying a white qb can't work in the spread. It's just RR runs the extreme version of it with the no huddle, the qb who is more of the downhill runner type. Most candidates for this type of spread are black and the Vince Young type.

Tressel does it to. Troy Smith's elusiveness was a huge reason why Tressel owned Carr when we were just as good as them. He would just spread out a bunch of receivers and usually hit an open one or simply run for the first down. And what does Tressel do next? He gets the next Vince Young type qb in Pryor. Then he starts Pryor early in the season as a true freshman, even though he had a veteran senior who was a good pocket passer.

[Vested_Interest]

I am friends with Tate Forcier on Facebook and I haven't seen anything negative..

From here (http://mgoblog.com/content/unverified-voracity-has-tire-tracks-forehead):


...Since it will be on the message board forever and ever amen and discussed until the weekend: e-reports say that Tate Forcier's facebook status yesterday was about having a bad day and somewhere in the comment thread spawned by that—probably made band fiasco look tame—Tate mentioned he would not be starting this weekend, and then hurriedly deleted that because duh. All of this is in the realm of quasi-fact that the efix* is so good at condescendingly mocking.

…but. But Forcier is probably going to miss a little bit of time against Wisconsin for an exceedingly minor violation of team rules. This is not for sure. It is probable.

*(see what I did there?)

Any chance you're scoping-out the edited version, Cartyboi?