cinci the best in ohio

[rickyleach]

after watching the uc bearcats ,who are ranked no5 in the nation who can doubt that this football team is the best in ohio, people will argue that ohio state is ,but there is no argument , osu has lost 2 games and probably will lose again this year, look at uc and thier qb situation ,,second team guy comes in and is as good as the first team guy , they just beat a good wv team , i think what is more amaizing is that brian kelly doesnt get even close to the kind of recruiting classes tressel does and look what this man is doing , well folks hats off to the bearcats because they are the best team in ohio ,and the pollsters agree.

[Wolvrin704]

They've also beaten more ranked teams. The only ranked team OSU has beaten is PSU, which was a good win regardless.

[1OSUNUT]

Will Cincy run the table ? Untill they beat Ohio State - they will be little brother. Next year when Brian Kelly is in South Bend - they will go back to sucking.

[buckeye7]

after watching the uc bearcats ,who are ranked no5 in the nation who can doubt that this football team is the best in ohio, people will argue that ohio state is ,but there is no argument , osu has lost 2 games and probably will lose again this year, look at uc and thier qb situation ,,second team guy comes in and is as good as the first team guy , they just beat a good wv team , i think what is more amaizing is that brian kelly doesnt get even close to the kind of recruiting classes tressel does and look what this man is doing , well folks hats off to the bearcats because they are the best team in ohio ,and the pollsters agree.



Seems like you are just trying to 'rile up' the buckeye fans. If UC beats Pitt then that will add a lot to UC's resume. Until then I don't think they've really played anybody outside a good victory @ Oregon State.

So if you think OSU is 2nd in Ohio then what is UM in Michigan? Are they behind CMU? They are at most #2 behind MSU, who has beat them the past 2 years.

[rickyleach]

MR BUCKEYE , to answer your question about michigan , i to feel michigan is the 3rd best team in michigan, i think most bucknut fan s wont admit that cinci is better then them , the college football nation says you are wrong , the polls say you are wrong , you have lost to 2 teams already and many including me say you will get beat again, cinci has played a tougher schedule then ohio state , sure you beat ps ,but then who have they played and beat , no one,, CINCI IS 10 -0 OHIO STATE IS 8 -2 , PREETY TOUGH TO TAKE WHEN A SCHOOL WHO IS BETTER THEN YOU ISNT EVEN IN THE TOP 40 OF RECRUITING , AND OSU IS ALWAYS IN THE TOP 10..

[1OSUNUT]

How can we admit that Cincy is better when they have played lower competiton and has not beat us head to head. We are 2-0 against Cincy in recent years. Cincy has had trouble two weeks in a row. Have they faced a defense like Ohio State ? Ask Penn State if the Buckeyes have a good defense. Plus we are now healthy and have developed a running game. I'm not saying we kill Cincy - but we beat them. I would not be surprised if Illinois beats them next week.

[Voleye]

UW is the only ranked team UC played so far. Yes South Flordia was ranked but they play more cupcakes than Flordia did this year. They got shut out by Rutgers and will drop from the top 25 this week. I know the Big 10 is going thru a down couple years, But the Big East is half a step above the MAC. None of it is going to matter. IF UC can beat Ill, and Pitt hey will go 12-0 and NOT play for the NC. Its going to be Texas or TCU play the winner of the SEC. Great season yes. Best team in Ohio, Not a chance!

[rickyleach]

Soon to be 11-0 , 2 games better then the suckeyes and far less talent , must be coaching eh..

[1OSUNUT]

We are still the Big Dog Daddy in Ohio. They have not beaten us. Watch how far they drop when they lose. Do you know how bad Cincy would whip your Wolverine asses ? I find it funny Ricky how you cheer for everybody to do what Michigan can no longer do - beat Ohio State. I guess when your team sucks as bad as it does - It normal to cheer for somebody else. Us Buckeye fans would not know how that is. I hope you enjoy the show Saturday - we will. Assume the position - you guys should know it well by now.

[rickyleach]

nut ,lets make a wager , we all know ohio state is the better football team, agreed, we all know it might take a miracle for michigan to win , not impossible but not likely, and you insist osu will destroy michigan RIGHT, ill bet you michigan doesnt get beat by more then 10 points ,given the fact we are 13 point underdogs, but really that is a token amount, my bet would be that you tell everyone on this site that rickyleach is one of the brightest football minds on this site and that i ,1osunut is the dumb asss and ricky is the man.., plus i will say nothing but good things about rickyleach for the rest of the year.., now its your turn .

[NorCal Buckeye]

This post is so stupid it doesn't even deserve to be dignified with a response.

OSU's football resume compared to Cincinnati's is like comparing a giant to an ant. They have a long way to go before they are even close enough to get a whiff of our butts. Just like Michigan.:D

[rickyleach]

norcal , you knows what is funny , you couldnt resist the bait and you went down line hook and sinker, and you said you dont read my posts , i guess you are a liar just like your football coach i think you contradicted yourself by your post , deserve or doesnt deserve read or dont read , which one is it.....

[1OSUNUT]

nut ,lets make a wager , we all know ohio state is the better football team, agreed, we all know it might take a miracle for michigan to win , not impossible but not likely, and you insist osu will destroy michigan RIGHT, ill bet you michigan doesnt get beat by more then 10 points ,given the fact we are 13 point underdogs, but really that is a token amount, my bet would be that you tell everyone on this site that rickyleach is one of the brightest football minds on this site and that i ,1osunut is the dumb asss and ricky is the man.., plus i will say nothing but good things about rickyleach for the rest of the year.., now its your turn .

I could give a crap about who is favored. I don't care if we win by 1 point in double OT - so long as we win. Last week we beat Iowa in OT - so what. Do you know what I heard all week on ESPN ? Ohio State is going to the BCS Rose Bowl - not Ohio State won in OT to go to the Rose Bowl. I happen to think Michigan will play hard and even try some things that are out of the norm - Ohio State will be ready. I also expect Ohio State to show some new wrinkles. It should be close for a half - it always is. I want to see how Michigan reacts after a big OSU play or a bad turn of event. Will they fold like in weeks past or play tougher ? The difference will be the defenses. Ours is very good and yours in very bad.

A 1 point win still will allow us to rub your noses in it for another 365 days.

[rickyleach]

You know what nut , you are right ,, go blue and go bucks.

[1OSUNUT]

Do you mean the same Cincy team that let Illinois score 36 points on them and won in a shootout ? Remember the Buckeyes shut Illinois out this year. So if you take identical opponents with both games played at home - who did better ? The Bearcats would not score like they are used to against the Buckeyes. Like I said before - the Buckeyes would beat the Bearcats.

[Wolvrin704]

Do you mean the same Cincy team that let Illinois score 36 points on them and won in a shootout ? Remember the Buckeyes shut Illinois out this year. So if you take identical opponents with both games played at home - who did better ? The Bearcats would not score like they are used to against the Buckeyes. Like I said before - the Buckeyes would beat the Bearcats.

Thats like asking who is better, Oregon or OSU?

Illinois is a run heavy team and OSU is good at stopping the run. UC is good at spreading a D and at passing, something OSU has trouble with.

[rickyleach]

kind of like that usc team who gave up 55 points to a lousy stanford team and how many did your team score on sc, cinci acording to the football nation is a much better team then osu, i dont read where osu is better , unless you found somthing different , uc dominated the game and gave up 2 late scores , the game was over by the 2nd quarter, they were toying with illin , they could have put 60 on them , dont worry about uc defense because it is good enough to allow their offense to dominate , they dont play conservative and have the 2 best qbz in ohio , TONY PIKE MAKES PRYOR LOOK LIKE CURLEY OF THE THREE STOOGES.. AND HIS BACKUP HIS GREAT..

[buckeye7]

kind of like that usc team who gave up 55 points to a lousy stanford team and how many did your team score on sc, cinci acording to the football nation is a much better team then osu, i dont read where osu is better , unless you found somthing different , uc dominated the game and gave up 2 late scores , the game was over by the 2nd quarter, they were toying with illin , they could have put 60 on them , dont worry about uc defense because it is good enough to allow their offense to dominate , they dont play conservative and have the 2 best qbz in ohio , TONY PIKE MAKES PRYOR LOOK LIKE CURLEY OF THE THREE STOOGES.. AND HIS BACKUP HIS GREAT..

Ricky, please quit abusing the comma and the caps lock. Makes it hard to read. Thanks in advance.

[1OSUNUT]

Both teams played Illinois at home - who did better ? Don't make this harder then it is.

[rickyleach]

nut the point im trying to make is just because uc didnt hold illinois to 7 points or whatever , doesnt make them a worse team then osu , juice williams was horrible against osu , how many points did you get off of unforced turnovers by illinois. ,cinci flat out rolls , they could have scored 60 points on that team , and they dont care if their d gets lazy and gives up points , when the cinci d needs to stop a team ,they do , their defense allows them to play wide open offensive football ,and you cant stop them.. , that team didnt miss a beat when pike went down , i can assure you if pryor goes down your season ends

[blueisbetterthanred]

This debate isn't even close. Records speak for themselves. uos has 2 more losses than cincy, one being to PURDUE. How can anyone think they are a better team than cincy right now? They have beat ranked teams and haven't lost a game. The answer is obvious.

This year, CINCY is the dominant college football program in ohio, hands down.

[rickyleach]

which is better 10 -2 or 12 -0, end of discussion.cinci finds a way to win , and they have a great coach who wins with average talent ,give kelly ,ohio states recruiting class , and instead of going 10 -3 or 9 -4 ever year , kelly has a 50 game win streak, this guy can coach football and is proving it.

[goblue]

I want Kelly to stay at Cincinnati. That way OSU doesn't own all of Ohio. Besides, it's only right that they have in-state competition. U of M has it with MSU. Florida has it with FSU and Miami, Fl. USC has it with UCLA and California. Penn State has it with Pittsburgh. Texas has it with Texas A&M and Texas Tech. Alabama has it with Auburn. Georgia has it with Georgia Tech. Heck, even Notre Dame has it with Purdue and Indiana. Why shouldn't Ohio State have in-state competition?

[NorCal Buckeye]

I want Kelly to stay at Cincinnati. That way OSU doesn't own all of Ohio. Besides, it's only right that they have in-state competition. U of M has it with MSU. Florida has it with FSU and Miami, Fl. USC has it with UCLA and California. Penn State has it with Pittsburgh. Texas has it with Texas A&M and Texas Tech. Alabama has it with Auburn. Georgia has it with Georgia Tech. Heck, even Notre Dame has it with Purdue and Indiana. Why shouldn't Ohio State have in-state competition?

Sure, why not...we have little brothers all over the place. One more won't hurt anything.:rolleyes:

[goblue]

Sure, why not...we have little brothers all over the place. One more won't hurt anything.:rolleyes:

Well you do have a huge advantage over other football schools. About the whole state gets behind the Buckeyes. Not so with Michigan. About half our state wants to see us fail cause of the Spartans.

[1OSUNUT]

First off the game should of been a 6 point margin because the WR did not even have his foot down in the end zone. Secondly Ohio State shutout Illinois. Cinncinatti would not score anywhere near the points it normally does against Ohio State and their defense is not very good. The Buckeyes would not have a problem beating them - in fact Pitt very well might beat them next week. Untill you see them play a defense like Ohio State - you cannot say anything about them being better. They have played us in recent years - and lost every time. They are unbeaten and really have not played anybody. They have had to beat every tough team by shootout because their defense is not that good.

Many of you called Illinois the worst team in the Big Ten (untill they rolled Michigan) most of the year - remember. Well that bad team technically lost to Ciny by 6 points.

[shirc]

that team didnt miss a beat when pike went down , i can assure you if pryor goes down your season ends

To quote John Cooper: If ifs and buts were cherries and nuts, oh what a merry Christmas we'd have...

Cincy has not proven to be the best in Ohio, but this argument is subjective. I say, if the big ten is still shopping for another team, add Cincy. Does anyone really think they'd have the same success in the Big Ten as they do in the "big" east?

[blueisbetterthanred]

Cincy has not proven to be the best in Ohio

and tuos has? By not being able to beat a crippled USC with a freshman QB at the shoe? By not being able to beat PURDUE?

Cincy is ranked higher than tuos in both polls, the entire COUNTRY (outside of the brown stain state) knows they are a better team than tuos right now.

[goblue]

First off the game should of been a 6 point margin because the WR did not even have his foot down in the end zone. Secondly Ohio State shutout Illinois. Cinncinatti would not score anywhere near the points it normally does against Ohio State and their defense is not very good. The Buckeyes would not have a problem beating them - in fact Pitt very well might beat them next week. Untill you see them play a defense like Ohio State - you cannot say anything about them being better. They have played us in recent years - and lost every time. They are unbeaten and really have not played anybody. They have had to beat every tough team by shootout because their defense is not that good.

Many of you called Illinois the worst team in the Big Ten (untill they rolled Michigan) most of the year - remember. Well that bad team technically lost to Ciny by 6 points.

I think the Buckeyes would beat them nut. OSU is well coached and plays in a more physical, tougher conference. There's no way Cincy would be undefeated in the Big Ten. But what I see happening is if Kelly stays and Cincy remains a force it would eventually affect the Buckeye's. I would imagine more and more Tressel recruits would switch over to Cincinnati. And that's all it takes is for OSU to have an off year and Cincy to remain good and the tide could change.

Believe me, it can happen fast and when you least expect it. It happens all the time in college football. I know if I was an OSU fan I'd be hoping that another team scoops up Kelly before Cincy does become the real deal and passes Ohio State for good. And they're in the type of conference where they could be good for a long time as long as Kelly is there.

[cartyboi]

I'm too tired to look it up but how recent were the times OSU has played Cinci (I know they narrowly beat them in 2002) and how did the Bearcats end up that year? I'm almost positive that OSU hasn't yet played Cincinnati since they've been on the football map of good teams.

[rickyleach]

osu - cinci results , 1999 osu 34 -uc 20 2002 osu 23 - uc 19 2004 osu 27 -uc 6 2006 osu 37 - uc 7, but none of this has been with brian kelly as coach, if i were kelly i would be calling osu on a daily basis to schedule a game , it is a win win situiation for uc , and with how they now play ,i and many fans think uc beats osu... just think what it would do for uc recruiting , osu doesnt want to play them while kelly is coach.

[rickyleach]

brian kelly record at uc , 10 -3 11-3 and this season 12 -0, and not one top 30 recruiting class, hell he won more games this year then richrod won in 2 years .

[goblue]

osu - cinci results , 1999 osu 34 -uc 20 2002 osu 23 - uc 19 2004 osu 27 -uc 6 2006 osu 37 - uc 7, but none of this has been with brian kelly as coach, if i were kelly i would be calling osu on a daily basis to schedule a game , it is a win win situiation for uc , and with how they now play ,i and many fans think uc beats osu... just think what it would do for uc recruiting , osu doesnt want to play them while kelly is coach.

You've convinced me Rickyleach! I say bring on Cincinnati to beat Ohio State! And I think you're right about Ohio State. They don't want to play Cincinnati.

[1OSUNUT]

Cincy has not beaten us. to be the man you have to beat the man. Look at the points Cincy is giving up to so so teams. Have they played a big fast defense like Ohio State - no. The Buckeyes would not blow them out (they don't blow anybody out) - but they would overpower them. We shut Illinois out - remember that. Who has Cincy beaten ? Are they a good team - yes. Are they a great team - no. What is goint to happen when they play Florida or Alabama in their bowl game - any takers. They are a not a power team. They would not be able to stop a team with a power running game - which many of the top teams have. The rankings don't mean anything. Was WVU even ranked last night when they beat Pitt ? Was Illinois ranked when they hung in there with Cincy ?

The only thing you have to compare is the exact opponent with both games being played at home. Don't get used to the sucess Cincy fans. That job is only a stepping stone to a real job. Brian Kelly will be gone very very soon - maybe after this year. If Stoops does not leave Oklahoma for ND - Kelly might. Who knows maybe Kelly goes to Oklahoma. Antway you slice it little old Cincy cannot afford a coach like Kelly. They have to hope to catch lightning in a bottle for a year or two - then the window shuts and the coach leaves. Look at the history - it speaks for itself.

[rickyleach]

Cincy has not beaten us. to be the man you have to beat the man. Look at the points Cincy is giving up to so so teams. Have they played a big fast defense like Ohio State - no. The Buckeyes would not blow them out (they don't blow anybody out) - but they would overpower them. We shut Illinois out - remember that. Who has Cincy beaten ? Are they a good team - yes. Are they a great team - no. What is goint to happen when they play Florida or Alabama in their bowl game - any takers. They are a not a power team. They would not be able to stop a team with a power running game - which many of the top teams have. The rankings don't mean anything. Was WVU even ranked last night when they beat Pitt ? Was Illinois ranked when they hung in there with Cincy ?

The only thing you have to compare is the exact opponent with both games being played at home. Don't get used to the sucess Cincy fans. That job is only a stepping stone to a real job. Brian Kelly will be gone very very soon - maybe after this year. If Stoops does not leave Oklahoma for ND - Kelly might. Who knows maybe Kelly goes to Oklahoma. Antway you slice it little old Cincy cannot afford a coach like Kelly. They have to hope to catch lightning in a bottle for a year or two - then the window shuts and the coach leaves. Look at the history - it speaks for itself.

nut ,you also lost to a usc team who after seeing how they played this season is the worst in the pete carrol era , and you also lost to a lousy purdue team , so you dont have a arguement , look at texas , when they need to play defense and stop someone they do , ala texas 49 texas am 39, look at some of the fla games same thing , giving up points when they really dont have a affect on the out come is no big deal , i guess to you it is ,but to the pollsters its not otherwise they would be talkin about it woudnt they , cinci is a better football team then osu , they dont have anything to prove to the ohio state nation , they only care about what is important and that is win every game and how the college football nation see it , and they dont SEE YOU..

[Voleye]

The Big East should not have a BCS auto bid., That league is really bad.
UC is having a great season. They have not played anyone that plays defense yet. As for OSU playing them, They have and I think they play again in 2012. Sorry but OSU is playing teams like Texas, VT, Miami Flordia, Oklahoma, Tennessee, California and USC for out of conference games.
By the time UC comes back up on the schedule they will be back to a run of the mill Big East team, Kelly will be somewhere else making 10 mill a year and UC will be sitting there with their 30,000 seat stadium half empty begging fans to come to games again.

[rickyleach]

The Big East should not have a BCS auto bid., That league is really bad.
UC is having a great season. They have not played anyone that plays defense yet. As for OSU playing them, They have and I think they play again in 2012. Sorry but OSU is playing teams like Texas, VT, Miami Flordia, Oklahoma, Tennessee, California and USC for out of conference games.
By the time UC comes back up on the schedule they will be back to a run of the mill Big East team, Kelly will be somewhere else making 10 mill a year and UC will be sitting there with their 30,000 seat stadium half empty begging fans to come to games again.

voleye , from what i have seen of osu ,niether have they , and who cares what happens after brian kelly leaves , the facts are osu has fed off of a weak big10 and the two non conference games you played usc and navy , especially navy your defense was no where to be found , AND LIKE NUT ALWAYS SAYS ITS navy for god sake , AND USC CAME INTO YOUR HOUSE AND WITH A WEAK USC TEAM BEAT YOU , and from what i have seen of your quality teams outside the big 10 ,,you beat a good texas team with a freshman qb who had played 2 games. outside of that playing those teams is great but you need to win a few to have a arguement, even in your bowl games ,in the years tressel has been with osu , outside of miami in 2002 what great team have you played and beat , and dont tell me kansas state

[eyesoftexas]

Until UC gets serious about football, enough to build a modern stadium with 60,000 plus capacity, they are going to lose coaches like Kelly, and not be a serious threat to OSU fooball supremacy. They're not even a threat to OSU in basketball after throwing Huggins under the bus. Basketball IS something they at least have the tradition in.

[1OSUNUT]

How was that 2006 Michigan team that we beat ? They were #2 in the nation. I'm surprised you did not remember that. Cincy is in the rotation and the Buckeye's play them every few years - I don't call that avoiding them. You can't just change a schedule and say play us because you happen to have a good team in a given year. The schedules are made up for the most part many years in advance. Do you think Ohio State is just sitting around with open dates waiting for an Ohio school to have a great team so they can play. We all know who the giant is in Ohio - and it is not Cincy. Congrats they are going to possibly win a weak Big East (maybe) - they would finish 3rd in the Big Ten. I would not be surprised if Pitt knocks off Cincy.

[rickyleach]

nut in my mind rthe 06 team was great but in the college football world they were not and niether was your team...

[shirc]

and tuos has? By not being able to beat a crippled USC with a freshman QB at the shoe? By not being able to beat PURDUE?

Cincy is ranked higher than tuos in both polls, the entire COUNTRY (outside of the brown stain state) knows they are a better team than tuos right now.

Where did I say that they had? This is an imaginary crown we're talking anyway.

Here's the thing though: Ohio State has beaten Cincy head to head a few times over they years. They've been to 7 bcs games to Cincy's 1. They've won 3 to Cincy's getting their ASS handed to them in their only appearance.

Mark my words, Cincy will get schlonged in whatever bcs game they wind up in while Ohio State will crush the Duck/Beavers. Who will "look like" the best in Ohio then?

[rickyleach]

Shirc , oh by the way this includes the browns and the bengels...

[blueisbetterthanred]

Where did I say that they had? This is an imaginary crown we're talking anyway.

Here's the thing though: Ohio State has beaten Cincy head to head a few times over they years. They've been to 7 bcs games to Cincy's 1. They've won 3 to Cincy's getting their ASS handed to them in their only appearance.

Mark my words, Cincy will get schlonged in whatever bcs game they wind up in while Ohio State will crush the Duck/Beavers. Who will "look like" the best in Ohio then?

I never mentioned recent years, I said they were the best *this* year. If they get rolled in a bowl and tuos wins, then tuos can RE-claim best in the state. If, however, tuos gets rolled like usual and Cincy pulls off a win, then what? You have to give them the nod as best in the state this entire year. Compare the teams:

Coach: I give this a tie. tressy has more experience and talent under him but kelly has proven to do more with less and is MUCH more aggressive.
QB: No question here, cincy wins
Overall Offense: again, cincy.
Defense: tuos wins this one
Special teams: Haven't seen much from cincy so I can't really say here, have to give this to tuos based on defenses.

The fact that tuos isn't clearly dominating every category shows that their in-state dominance run may be drawing to an end....

[1OSUNUT]

Really Kelly is a better coach then Tressel ? Compare the resumes. Let's start with an easy question - National Championships ? BCS apperences ? Conference Championships ? Caliber of competition ?


Not even close. Kelly is a hot name right now - but make no mistake he is not elite. In fact Kelly is not even to RR level and RR cannot hold Tressel's jock yet either.

Talk to me if Cincy beats Pittsburgh. That defense is going to give the Bearcats all they can handle.

[blueisbetterthanred]

Really Kelly is a better coach then Tressel ? Compare the resumes. Let's start with an easy question - National Championships ? BCS apperences ? Conference Championships ? Caliber of competition ?


Not even close. Kelly is a hot name right now - but make no mistake he is not elite. In fact Kelly is not even to RR level and RR cannot hold Tressel's jock yet either.

Talk to me if Cincy beats Pittsburgh. That defense is going to give the Bearcats all they can handle.

Uh... where did I say Kelly was better? I said overall I saw it a tie. Cincy has to compete with tuos in recruiting and you know that's not much of a contest. Tressy has more talent under him but has shown to be very conservative in play calling. Kelly has shown he can take tuos "rejects" for recruits and get them attention in the national spotlight.

If Kelly had tuos recruits under him, you honestly think he couldn't get them to a NC in 4 years? Kelly would worry me if tuos started courting him. Tressy on the other hand, I know will continue to "carr it up" as long as he sits at the helm, I'm happy with that given what is coming.

I bet Kelly wouldn't have lost to Purdue with tuos roster this year...

[Wolvrin704]

I never mentioned recent years, I said they were the best *this* year. If they get rolled in a bowl and tuos wins, then tuos can RE-claim best in the state. If, however, tuos gets rolled like usual and Cincy pulls off a win, then what? You have to give them the nod as best in the state this entire year. Compare the teams:

Coach: I give this a tie. tressy has more experience and talent under him but kelly has proven to do more with less and is MUCH more aggressive.
QB: No question here, cincy wins
Overall Offense: again, cincy.
Defense: tuos wins this one
Special teams: Haven't seen much from cincy so I can't really say here, have to give this to tuos based on defenses.

The fact that tuos isn't clearly dominating every category shows that their in-state dominance run may be drawing to an end....

Cincy has a very good punt/kickoff returner. Overall their special teams are just about right there with OSU.

NUT, I too would call it a draw right now. BK has only been coaching a BCS team for 3 years now and has had them in a BCS bowl their 2nd year and possibly a 3rd and 2nd straight. He took over a team that in years past had been happy to make a bowl, any bowl. How can you compare past seasons with the team they have become over the last 3? I would put BK up there with JT just based on how well he has his teams playing with far less talent. His resume at the FCS level is right on par with JT as well.

[rickyleach]

Cincy has a very good punt/kickoff returner. Overall their special teams are just about right there with OSU.

NUT, I too would call it a draw right now. BK has only been coaching a BCS team for 3 years now and has had them in a BCS bowl their 2nd year and possibly a 3rd and 2nd straight. He took over a team that in years past had been happy to make a bowl, any bowl. How can you compare past seasons with the team they have become over the last 3? I would put BK up there with JT just based on how well he has his teams playing with far less talent. His resume at the FCS level is right on par with JT as well.

i agree brian kelly flat out can coach , this guy takes below average players and makes them good , tressel takes above average players and makes them good , for as little of talent kelly gets , he is a far better coach then tressl . tressel is on the second level of coaches in college football, just below , brown ,urban ,stoops , pete , les miles , nick sabon and several others , make no mistake tressy gets the job done ,but falls aliittle bit short in the elite group.. brian kelly will be givlng tressel his used jock straps in a few years..

[1OSUNUT]

He is also coaching and playing against far less talent. Let's see how Cincy would do in the Big Ten. My guess is they lose 3 or 4 games. Look at how many points a bad Illinois team put on them. That was a team many of you called the worst team in the Big Ten - untill that team became Michigan. We will see how far they drop after they lose to Pitt next week. Then this conversation will be over. The Buckeyes will be sitting at 6 or 7 and Cincy will be down around 15.

[rickyleach]

nut ,i understand your frustration knowing uc is rated higher then osu and that the football nation is seeing a uc team who ,acording to the pollsters is better then osu, we will never know how cinci would do in the big10 ,we also will never know how osu will do in the sec, the sec has atleast 5 or 6 teams better then osu , so i guess the big10 aint nuttin is it, brian kelly is a great coach and gets the most out of his talent , i hate to say it but the big10 doesnt have coaches like that, but i do think rr will make it happen, with brian kelly pryor might have been the player of the year, with tressy he is almost invisible , but he is winning 10 games a year and atleast playing in a major bowl , even as osu gets beat most years in their bowl , thats more then we can brag about , we arent even playing,

[shirc]

Shirc , oh by the way this includes the browns and the bengels...

Well we all know that the Browns are easily the worst in Ohio (and that includes all high school teams and most jr. high teams) lol

[shirc]

He is also coaching and playing against far less talent. Let's see how Cincy would do in the Big Ten. My guess is they lose 3 or 4 games. Look at how many points a bad Illinois team put on them. That was a team many of you called the worst team in the Big Ten - untill that team became Michigan. We will see how far they drop after they lose to Pitt next week. Then this conversation will be over. The Buckeyes will be sitting at 6 or 7 and Cincy will be down around 15.

I agree. Since Notre Dame is too high and mighty to join the big ten, I wish the conference would extend an invitation to Cincy. It would be cool to have another Ohio team in the Big Ten and to get all these Cincy bandwagon fans to shut the hell up about who the best in Ohio is.
Isn't it funny how so many Michigan fans care about who the best in Ohio is? lol

[Wolvrin704]

I agree. Since Notre Dame is too high and mighty to join the big ten, I wish the conference would extend an invitation to Cincy. It would be cool to have another Ohio team in the Big Ten and to get all these Cincy bandwagon fans to shut the hell up about who the best in Ohio is.
Isn't it funny how so many Michigan fans care about who the best in Ohio is? lol

I care because I've adopted the Bearcats as my 2nd favorite team along with Xavier since I moved to Cincy 16 years ago.

Personally I think UC would have trouble beating OSU but they would present a lot of problems for OSU on pffense and defense. I think UC if in the B10 this year would finish in the top 3, its their D that keeps them from being a very top team. But their offense can score on anyone and the only way any B10 schools could beat them would be to control the clock and keep that offense off the field.

[RADRACING]

I don't think OSU has been getting that much recruiting out of the Cinci area for a while. OSU is more a National recruiting team anymore like USC even though they get what they want out of Ohio.

Jo Pa wants a team out of the East in the conference, lots of eastern population demographics to pull in watchers.

As far as I can tell Cinci is a pretender just like iowa was. Enough said.

[Wolvrin704]

I don't think OSU has been getting that much recruiting out of the Cinci area for a while.

Does Posey ring a bell? Looking at their roster they have 10 players from the Cincinnati area.

[RADRACING]

Does Posey ring a bell? Looking at their roster they have 10 players from the Cincinnati area.

Yea but unless players like doing hillbilly girls from Ky, who in their right mind would pick Cinci over OSU. It isn't even the same ball park as far as facilities, opportunities and exposure. If you start for OSU you are pretty much guaranteed at least a try out on an NFL team and most starting players at OSU will see the NFL in some sort or another.

[Wolvrin704]

Yea but unless players like doing hillbilly girls from Ky, who in their right mind would pick Cinci over OSU. It isn't even the same ball park as far as facilities, opportunities and exposure. If you start for OSU you are pretty much guaranteed at least a try out on an NFL team and most starting players at OSU will see the NFL in some sort or another.

The NFL will find talent wherever it is, no matter what school its at. Even more so UC is in an NFL city so the Bengals know firsthand what players are available there and do draft UC players.

[rickyleach]

cinci is 12 -0 with a great d

[Voleye]

Great d compared to who? UM?

[buckeye7]

Great d compared to who? UM?

I think UM might have a better d than Cincy.

[shirc]

I think UM might have a better d than Cincy.

It's pretty close, that's for sure.

I'll hand it to Cincy- I didn't think they would beat Pitt today and when they were down by 21 it sure wasn't looking like they were "the best in Ohio" but they have a champion's heart to be able to comeback. (even with Pitt's gift at the end)
I'm still standing pat that they are gonna get trashed in whatever bcs game they play in.

[Plus 1]

after watching the uc bearcats ,who are ranked no5 in the nation who can doubt that this football team is the best in ohio, people will argue that ohio state is ,but there is no argument , osu has lost 2 games and probably will lose again this year, look at uc and thier qb situation ,,second team guy comes in and is as good as the first team guy , they just beat a good wv team , i think what is more amaizing is that brian kelly doesnt get even close to the kind of recruiting classes tressel does and look what this man is doing , well folks hats off to the bearcats because they are the best team in ohio ,and the pollsters agree.



Dream on. If Cincy had to play OSU they would finally face a REAL Defense, while possessing NO defense of their own. Pitt nor Cincy had any defense. A 89 point offensive shootout, between defensless Big East schools.

Projected outcome:

OSU - 42
Cincy - 6

Face it!!!:D

[Wolvrin704]

Dream on. If Cincy had to play OSU they would finally face a REAL Defense, while possessing NO defense of their own. Pitt nor Cincy had any defense. A 89 point offensive shootout, between defensless Big East schools.

Projected outcome:

OSU - 42
Cincy - 6

Face it!!!:D


Ummm no. UC actually has an offense that knows how to score especially when the chips are down as evidenced by todays game. Even better UC does it mostly through the air where OSU is weaker. Not saying OSU most likely wouldn't win, just that it wouldn't be as easy as you think.

[rickyleach]

the stats say uc12 -0 ,you have no argument if ohio state is so great why didnt they hang 55 on usc um my guess is you dont know or maybe stanford is better then you.you are 10 -2 as you always say a win is a win and if you win 45 -44 i would bet the house those words would come out of your mouth.

[eyesoftexas]

the stats say uc12 -0 ,you have no argument if ohio state is so great why didnt they hang 55 on usc um my guess is you dont know or maybe stanford is better then you.you are 10 -2 as you always say a win is a win and if you win 45 -44 i would bet the house those words would come out of your mouth.

Defense can be a good equalizer. Just ask Texas after yesterday. The Bowl games should determine if UC is the real thing or not. Hopefully they get TCU or Florida. Boise would not be the best indicator.

[1OSUNUT]

UC has no defense. The Buckeyes would beat them head to head. Would it be a blow out - no. Buckeye games never are. But those Pike turnovers would hurt a lot more against the Buckeyes. That defense gives up big points to everybody. They want to be big boys - now they have to prove it in the BCS bowl. TCU or Boise would kill them because they play defense. We will see how good they and the Big East is in a few weeks.

[rickyleach]

the college football nation doesnt see it this way again you lost 2 games and could have been more CINCI LOST 0 cinci plays d when they feel like it remember your team got beat by a lousy usc18 -15 and that was the same team stanford and oregon killed, oregon is much like uc i have been hearing the same hollow words from you guys for 4 years , things will be different , uc probably puts 35 to 40 on osu and pryor has a great day throwing 6 for 16 with 68 yards, AGAIN CINCI IS THE BEST TEAM IN OHIO ALONG WITH HILLIARD DAVISON.

[shirc]

Yeah, the best team in Ohio should have a good defense, and Cincy doesn't. While Ohio State's offense isn't prolific (yet), they've still rushed for over 200 yards per game over the last five games. I agree with Nut. Ohio State would beat them head to head. And as for USC, they're lucky that they played Ohio State early in the season. The Buckeyes would beat them now.
And as for Oregon. We're gonna spank them. Just like in '03 when Michael Bishop and Darren Sproles were supposed to disect OSU's defense in the fiesta bowl, we're gonna crush the ducks.

[1OSUNUT]

Cincy has Florida. We will see how they score against a good defense and how their defense does against a good offense.

[Uncle Rico]

I think that Cincinnati is going for a LOOOOOOONG ride at the ABUSEMENT PARK against the Gators. Florida will be pissed! I also think 'Bama rolls the 'Horns. The Boise/TCU game shuold be interesting. Go Iowa and OSU !!

[1OSUNUT]

The clock has struck midnight for Cincy. Now they have to face a agry Florida team in Tebows last game. Ouch !!!!!!!! We will see if they belong. I agree with Rico - Tide Rolls. The TCU / Boise game might be the most interesting - but I think TCU has to much for them on both sides of the ball. That team is scary good and could give Texas or Alabama all they could handle - or more. The Buckeyes have a tough game - but a winable one. Iowa on the other hand have to deal with that deadly triple option of GT. I would not want to play them. They are impossible to get ready for and they have the players to execute that offense to perfection.

[shirc]

I think that Cincinnati is going for a LOOOOOOONG ride at the ABUSEMENT PARK against the Gators. Florida will be pissed! I also think 'Bama rolls the 'Horns. The Boise/TCU game shuold be interesting. Go Iowa and OSU !!

ABUSEMENT PARK- that's a good one. And you're right, Cincy is going to get reamed in this game. Normally, I'd root for the bearcats but I've been hearing all this talk from Cincy fans (and "Hail Victors minions") about how much better they are than Ohio State. So it's gonna be nice when Tim Tebow's last hurrah is burring the bearcats.

[blueisbetterthanred]

Well Cincy got the best matchup they could hope for after the texas debacle. If, and that is one giant IF, they can win a shootout against Tebow, because they won't stop him like 'Bama did, then I think that makes a strong case for a playoff system. They have their shot at the big game, now if only Kelly sticks around and keeps his team focused for it.

This could shake up the BCS with a good Cincy win.

[Don Unverferth]

If they gave up 40+ points to teams like Pitt and UConn and 36 to a horrible Illinois team, how are they going to control UF? I think UC is about to run head on into an 18-wheeler. Of course, I dislike the Gators but I've grown to dislike UC even more this year, and I didn't think that was possible. If their players hadn't started running their mouths about being the best team in Ohio while in the midst of a one-off good season, I would most likely be rooting for them instead of against them. One good season and they suddenly think they rate with the best of the best. Within 2 years after Kelly leaves, they will be back to being a middle of the road Big East team and their fans will go back into hiding like the bandwagon fans they are.

[eyesoftexas]

If they gave up 40+ points to teams like Pitt and UConn and 36 to a horrible Illinois team, how are they going to control UF? I think UC is about to run head on into an 18-wheeler. Of course, I dislike the Gators but I've grown to dislike UC even more this year, and I didn't think that was possible. If their players hadn't started running their mouths about being the best team in Ohio while in the midst of a one-off good season, I would most likely be rooting for them instead of against them. One good season and they suddenly think they rate with the best of the best. Within 2 years after Kelly leaves, they will be back to being a middle of the road Big East team and their fans will go back into hiding like the bandwagon fans they are.
My dislike for UC goes back to the 1961-62 defeats of OSU for the NCAA championship in basketball. They also beat UD about 20 straight years. But there is no way I will root for Florida against them this year. I think that 4 undefeated teams beg for a 4-team playoff. Beating Florida will make that point even more. Furthermore, the SEC fans on radio talk shows in Houston make me ill with their condescending attitudes concerning football. Beat Florida. Next year UC can go back to normal.

[rickyleach]

yeah, the best team in ohio should have a good defense, and cincy doesn't. While ohio state's offense isn't prolific (yet), they've still rushed for over 200 yards per game over the last five games. I agree with nut. Ohio state would beat them head to head. And as for usc, they're lucky that they played ohio state early in the season. The buckeyes would beat them now.
And as for oregon. We're gonna spank them. Just like in '03 when michael bishop and darren sproles were supposed to disect osu's defense in the fiesta bowl, we're gonna crush the ducks.

shiirc beating usc isnt saying much ,getting beat by them is.

[Voleye]

The Superdome will be adding a third digit to the Flordia side of the scoreboard for the Sugar Bowl. Not a chance in the world Tebow comes out of the game with anything more than 30 seconds on the clock.

[1OSUNUT]

Plus, Cincy might go into the game without Brian Kelly - OUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rickyleach]

nut but you said kelly and cinci arent very good so it shouldnt matter.

[1OSUNUT]

Playing without your head coach is hard for any team - let alone having to face Florida. Then you throw in all the distractions from the ND job being open - it's going to be tough. Cincy could play the best game of the season and lose by 30. I don't see them scoring very much on Florida - but I see Florida and Mr. Meyer sending Tebow out in a blaze of glory. This could be a rout.

[Blue In Ohio]

Dream on. If Cincy had to play OSU they would finally face a REAL Defense, while possessing NO defense of their own. Pitt nor Cincy had any defense. A 89 point offensive shootout, between defensless Big East schools.

Projected outcome:

OSU - 42
Cincy - 6

Face it!!!:D

Heck it was closer than that when cinci was bad. What was it like 1 or 2 points OSU won by?

[Blue In Ohio]

I would laugh if UC did beat Florida just because all the OSU fans will be hoping for a loss and a win over Florida would just prove UC belonged in the title game and that UC will get the job done for OSU. Their will be more Ohio residents rooting for UC to lose than anywhere else in the country other than Florida.

[shirc]

shiirc beating usc isnt saying much ,getting beat by them is.

OSU wasn't that good early in the season, but they've gotten better. USC on the other hand, played it's best at the beginning of the year and have gotten worse. The Buckeyes would pound the trojans if they were to play now.

Getting back to the topic of this thread: You can chisel this in stone: Florida beats Cincinnatti by 30 in the Sugar Bowl. Crybaby Tebow is gonna cry tears of joy after this game. Brian Kelly will go on to Notre Dame, amass a record equal to that of Cheeseburger Charlie and be canned in three years because, NEWSFLASH- NOBODY CARES ABOUT NOTRE FUCKING DAME ANYMORE>>>
A word of advice to Brian Kelly- Stay at UC and continue to win alot of games against shitty teams and be loved by the city or move to a job that is still relevant in the modern college football world.

[buckeye7]

I would laugh if UC did beat Florida just because all the OSU fans will be hoping for a loss and a win over Florida would just prove UC belonged in the title game and that UC will get the job done for OSU. Their will be more Ohio residents rooting for UC to lose than anywhere else in the country other than Florida.

Not all OSU fans... I always root against the SEC.

and I, personally, could care less if UC finishes ranked above OSU in the polls.

[shirc]

Not all OSU fans... I always root against the SEC.

and I, personally, could care less if UC finishes ranked above OSU in the polls.

Normally, I wouldn't root for the SEC (especially Florida) but I'm growing weary of all the bandwagon Bearcat fans that are popping up around me. GO GATORS!!!

[rickyleach]

OSU wasn't that good early in the season, but they've gotten better. USC on the other hand, played it's best at the beginning of the year and have gotten worse. The Buckeyes would pound the trojans if they were to play now.

Getting back to the topic of this thread: You can chisel this in stone: Florida beats Cincinnatti by 30 in the Sugar Bowl. Crybaby Tebow is gonna cry tears of joy after this game. Brian Kelly will go on to Notre Dame, amass a record equal to that of Cheeseburger Charlie and be canned in three years because, NEWSFLASH- NOBODY CARES ABOUT NOTRE FUCKING DAME ANYMORE>>>
A word of advice to Brian Kelly- Stay at UC and continue to win alot of games against shitty teams and be loved by the city or move to a job that is still relevant in the modern college football world.

shirc i would agree with you and i feel because of the program brian kelly would be taking over it is a lose lose situation what does this say about the state of a student athlete college football progra m whos university turned down a bowl game NOT MUCH.

[Wolvrin704]

Normally, I wouldn't root for the SEC (especially Florida) but I'm growing weary of all the bandwagon Bearcat fans that are popping up around me. GO GATORS!!!

That pretty much nails one of the main reasons I have grown to despise OSU, bandwagon fans.

[shirc]

That pretty much nails one of the main reasons I have grown to despise OSU, bandwagon fans.

How do figure that?

[1OSUNUT]

shirc i would agree with you and i feel because of the program brian kelly would be taking over it is a lose lose situation what does this say about the state of a student athlete college football progra m whos university turned down a bowl game NOT MUCH.

They turned down a bowl game because of many reasons. First off they have no coach, secondly their QB and WR are heading to the NFL. The program is a mess right now - and all the attention is being directed toward recruiting and hiring a new coach. What would going to a low / nothing meaning bowl do for a school like Notre Dame - nothing.

[Wolvrin704]

How do figure that?

When I first moved to Ohio the Buckeye fans weren't very vocal where I live or many in number. In fact one wondered if people here liked college football much at all.
Now everyone and their brother is a Walmart Buckeye fan and very vocal about it. HUGE amount of bandwagon jumpers IMO.

[buckeye7]

When I first moved to Ohio the Buckeye fans weren't very vocal where I live or many in number. In fact one wondered if people here liked college football much at all.
Now everyone and their brother is a Walmart Buckeye fan and very vocal about it. HUGE amount of bandwagon jumpers IMO.

Guarantee you don't live in Columbus; I would almost bet my paycheck on it. I would bet you live in Cincy, Toledo or NE area from the above statement.

Maybe when you first moved to Ohio you knew 2 people and they didn't happen to be sports fans. Now that you've lived in Ohio for awhile you know more than 2 people and have found people that enjoy sports and root for the buckeyes. Sounds very reasonable to me, IMO.

[rickyleach]

They turned down a bowl game because of many reasons. First off they have no coach, secondly their QB and WR are heading to the NFL. The program is a mess right now - and all the attention is being directed toward recruiting and hiring a new coach. What would going to a low / nothing meaning bowl do for a school like Notre Dame - nothing.

nut is this what they tell their seniors .

[cartyboi]

I'm saying ND needs all the money it can get..

[NCBLUE]

This is a slippery slope.

ND is disappointed and may feel the bowl they qualify for is beneath them but it does send a mixed message. Plus for some of the seniors it will be the last time they get to suite up.

I coach a travel baseball team and there are some tournaments that have a consolation game for the semi-finalist. I know some people may prefer to skip it since the ultimate prize was not acheived but I think it sends a wrong message by not playing.

[1OSUNUT]

The FAT lady is warming up for Cincy. How soon will Kelly sign on with ND and empty his desk.

[Wolvrin704]

The FAT lady is warming up for Cincy. How soon will Kelly sign on with ND and empty his desk.

There is no fat lady. They have progressively gotten better over the years and IF BK does leave they'll hire another up and comer who will continue the progress.

[Bossgobbler23]

The FAT lady is warming up for Cincy. How soon will Kelly sign on with ND and empty his desk.

If Kelly does indeed leave, which I am inclined to believe so then Cincy will slide. If not, they will become a very strong presence in college football. They need a better D, but as long as they can outscore their opponent each game, that is all that matters.

[shirc]

Kelly has proven nothing...He's done all this with mostly Mark Dantonio's players.

That argument sound familiar? hehe:D

[Bossgobbler23]

Kelly has proven nothing...He's done all this with mostly Mark Dantonio's players.

That argument sound familiar? hehe:D

Actually you are right, but does that not say more about his coaching abilities?

[shirc]

While I still feel Florida is going to wallop the Bearcats, I'm rooting for Cincy now. I know that it's important for ND (or any school) to hire a coach as soon as possible for recruiting but you just shouldn't abandon kids who bust their ass' for you when they're at the cusp of a huge bsc bowl game.
I don't think it's gonna happen, but what if Cincy turns out to be what Miami was in the 80s. Kelly had all these great players who made him look like a frikkin' genius and he bails on them before Florida?
I know that ND is Brian Kelly's dream job, but is there any thought that maybe he chickened out of the Sugar Bowl because if he got his ass handed to him that his "next big coaching prospect" status would fall big time? I know that if that's the case, I'm basically calling the guy a human scum bag but, there are those types.
It just looks like a coach is using kids when something like this happens.

[NCBLUE]

All coaches are in a tough situation. If he stays then will he be 100% focused on Florida, how will he handle recruiting, will he recruit for ND while activley coaching Cinn, how will he assemble a staff for ND.

I agree BK struck while the iron was hot and his stock as coach was at it's highest. So he was opportunistic and went after his dream job. If ND would have waited to approach coaches until after the bowl games then the media would have had a field day on the vacancy and why is was not filled and it is not a good job, blah, blah.

One answer may for NCAA to issue a dead period for coaching hires so the bowl season is protected. Still problems with that as well.