Violation Update

[Shauneyboy68]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4660285

[Silver Bullet]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4660285

And the hits just keep on coming.....I honestly don't see how RR survives much longer. According to Mike Wilbon, RR and Cheeseburger Charlie are both done.

[tpilews]

And the hits just keep on coming.....I honestly don't see how RR survives much longer. According to Mike Wilbon, RR and Cheeseburger Charlie are both done.


"At the time of the review, which was after the 2008-2009 season, no logs had been submitted by football coaches."

That's almost a year old. This says nothing other than the logs weren't filled out when the audit was taken. The logs have since then (a year ago) been turned in.

[nc wolverine]

i want rr to have another season to see if he makes it better. and i support UM and what they want to do...... though i dont think rr succeeds, im starting to believe if he looses to OSU, this investigation will yield many issues, and he is gone..... i guess time will tell but i will be in my michigan gear to watch "the game"



GO BLUE

[Shauneyboy68]

That's almost a year old. This says nothing other than the logs weren't filled out when the audit was taken. The logs have since then (a year ago) been turned in.

The article's dated as follows:
November 16, 2009, 1:36 PM ET

If you go back and fill in a log after the fact, well then it's not really a log at all is it? It's just a bunch of bullshit.

When were the logs turned in? If I recall, you're the one who rips people for not backing up their arguments with links, data, etc.

[tpilews]

The article's dated as follows:
November 16, 2009, 1:36 PM ET

If you go back and fill in a log after the fact, well then it's not really a log at all is it? It's just a bunch of bullshit.

When were the logs turned in? If I recall, you're the one who rips people for not backing up their arguments with links, data, etc.

That link that was posted never said that the logs were never turned in after the audit a year ago.

Try this one: more facts involved.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20091116/METRO/911160401/U-M-audit--Football-team-failed-to-report-player-activities


Although the university's statement indicates the athletic department has corrected the issue with the logs, university spokeswoman Kelly Cunningham said she could not comment on whether that means they found the older logs or if it means the football program is now filing them monthly since the audit.

[RADRACING]

Nothing is going to come of all this, these are more a waist of time than reading Sten's commonsensical recanting every sentence posts.

[Sten Carlson]

...more a waist of time than reading Sten's commonsensical recanting every sentence posts.

What does that even mean? I agree that my post are common sense, but for me to "recant" every sentence, I'd have to have stated them. Hard to debate someone in writing that doesn't know the meaning of the words they use!

p.s. -- there are a great many free internet dictionaries available these days, bookmark one Rad, and use it, please, you sound like a moron.

[RADRACING]

Sorry my pc changed it, it was supposed to be nonsensical

I was referring to your style of recanting other peoples posts with your redundantly annoying quote boxes, instead of writing an answer like every other person on the web see fit to do.

[editor]

All that aside, I wonder if the University wasn't releasing this to give themselves an out if the new AD wants a fresh start.

[NorCal Buckeye]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4660285

We all know WVU won't take him back when he get's fired. Does anybody think he end up back at Glenville State?:D

[Sten Carlson]

Sorry my pc changed it, it was supposed to be nonsensical

I was referring to your style of recanting other peoples posts with your redundantly annoying quote boxes, instead of writing an answer like every other person on the web see fit to do.

First of all, it's called POINT for POINT discussion of the issues raised. Everyone on the web might see fit to do something different, but in the "REAL WORLD" as in court, for example, this is the fashion in which on point discussions are carried out -- which I am trained to do.

Secondly, the word RECANT means: To make a formal retraction or disavowal of (a statement or belief to which one has previously committed oneself) or to repudiate or withdraw (a former belief or statement), esp formally in public.

So, show me where I have retracted something that I myself have said.

Get it straight Rad, I write REBUTTALS of other peoples' contentions. There's a difference. So, in your desperate attempt to sound like an INTELLECTUAL, you've actually made yourself look like the uneducated DULLARD that you really are!

[rickyleach]

I would like a shot at coaching this team , i have every thing it takes to make our program proud again , ,first and foremost i will track down all ohio state fans on this site and ship them to iran, i will have 1osunut dragged down the streets of aa , i will make jimmy tressel tell the truth ,i will have many of my friends raid the horseshoe and take a dump on the 50 yard line , ,if you give me a chance i will do things that you have never seen b4. And i will make sure this is all documented and put in our files.

[RADRACING]

And you made it sound like the pampas a$$ that you really are. I don't really care what you call it, it is considered annoying and rude to respond to posts on the internet in that fashion. Same as typing in CAPS, same deal, get it?
Fine rebuttal, are you happy?

[NorCal Buckeye]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4660285

How slick...not keeping any incriminating records. Unfortunately, it cuts both ways. Without the training records he has nothing to refute the allegations with.

The sand in the hourglass is running out on this guy's tenure. I say the university ends up hanging him out to dry and twisting in the wind.:rolleyes:

[Sten Carlson]

And you made it sound like the pampas a$$ that you really are.

I made WHAT sound like a pampas a$$ that I really am? Me? You're not the best writer in the world, are you?

If you're calling me a pampas ass because I know how to write, how to use the proper words in the proper circumstances, and how to express myself in a way that other people can understand -- so be it. You can do NONE of the above so as far as I am concerned, your opinion is pretty much meaningless.


I don't really care what you call it, it is considered annoying and rude to respond to posts on the internet in that fashion.

Says who? I've never heard or seen any message board etiquette concerning the proper citation format -- I really don't know what it bothers you so much. I just think it's the best way to debate the issues point for point, what's the big deal?


Same as typing in CAPS, same deal, get it?

I don't write in all caps, that is annoying, I agree. I only use capital letters TO EMPHASIZE A POINT, it's done that way quite often in the legal field, and in other realms. Maybe I switch to bolding would that be better?


Fine rebuttal, are you happy?

No really a very good rebuttal as you didn't cite anything of any significance to prove your point. But, you're getting better, keep at it, and someday with enough hard work and perseverance, you could actually be good a writing rebuttals.

See you next Tuesday!

[RADRACING]

Annoying, Annoying, Annoying. I'm not even going to read that mess, you obviously are too hard headed to get the clue, even when I spell it out to you.

Would someone else please explain it to old hard head? Thanks!

[Sten Carlson]

Annoying, Annoying, Annoying. I'm not even going to read that mess, you obviously are too hard headed to get the clue, even when I spell it out to you.

What's so annoying about it? Just because YOU say it's annoying doesn't make it so.

[tpilews]

How slick...not keeping any incriminating records. Unfortunately, it cuts both ways. Without the training records he has nothing to refute the allegations with.

The sand in the hourglass is running out on this guy's tenure. I say the university ends up hanging him out to dry and twisting in the wind.:rolleyes:

Did you even read anything I posted. The link clearly says that the university has turned in the logs. The only thing the original link said was that the logs were not done when the audit was performed. Oh, and also that no infractions were found by the audit group.

[1OSUNUT]

I would like a shot at coaching this team , i have every thing it takes to make our program proud again , ,first and foremost i will track down all ohio state fans on this site and ship them to iran, i will have 1osunut dragged down the streets of aa , i will make jimmy tressel tell the truth ,i will have many of my friends raid the horseshoe and take a dump on the 50 yard line , ,if you give me a chance i will do things that you have never seen b4. And i will make sure this is all documented and put in our files.

Then you would go out and be 3-9 - just like your boy.

[1OSUNUT]

Did you even read anything I posted. The link clearly says that the university has turned in the logs. The only thing the original link said was that the logs were not done when the audit was performed. Oh, and also that no infractions were found by the audit group.

So they made the logs long after the practices were over ? How accurate is that. I thought you had to complete or keep logs as the practice was going on - or shortly after. How can you remember with any accuracy what happened that far back ?

[goblue]

All that aside, I wonder if the University wasn't releasing this to give themselves an out if the new AD wants a fresh start.

That seems like a possibility. But what would be the timeline that Michigan could legally fire RR if they do find violations sufficient enough for his dismissal? Would they have to do it right after the investigation is complete? Or could they wait up until sometime next year if that's how long it takes to get the new AD in place? And what are the minimum types of violations that they could legally fire him on to get out of reimbursing RR?

UM better be careful with this if this is their motive. These and many more legal questions need to be answered before they even attempt this. Cause you know RR would take this to court till the end and drag this as far as he could go if Michigan tries to get out of paying him for his contract.

Other than that I think this investigation is bs. There's too much of a grey area. The last sentence in the next paragraph is what baffles me:

The so called 20 hour rule limits student athletes to 20 hours of playing and practicing, with a limit of four hours a day. They must get one day off a week from required athletically countable activities like practice, weight training and film study. They can, however voluntarily put in extra time.

Several top football programs, including Ohio State, have said that it takes more than 20 hours a week to be a top football program in the country. And how do you distinguish if players are going over 20 hours a week if they voluntarily go over that mark? And why is the NCAA only investigating Michigan on this rule? They know the top programs in the country have players voluntarily going well over the 20 hour mark. If they're going to investigate Michigan, they should be investigating many more teams to see if these other programs are going over 20 hours/week, whether these programs are turning in practice reports or not.

[tpilews]

So they made the logs long after the practices were over ? How accurate is that. I thought you had to complete or keep logs as the practice was going on - or shortly after. How can you remember with any accuracy what happened that far back ?

I don't know. I agree that it is stupid to not have them done. But, it isn't against any rules, or they would have been found guilty of something.

[1OSUNUT]

Maybe they did something wrong - maybe they didn't. But you could see how inspectors would assume something was not on the up and up without logs being filled out. Seems like a pretty big oversite.

[Vested_Interest]

Did you even read anything I posted. The link clearly says that the university has turned in the logs.[...]

No it doesn't.


...Although the university's statement indicates the athletic department has corrected the issue with the logs, university spokeswoman Kelly Cunningham said she could not comment on whether that means they found the older logs or if it means the football program is now filing them monthly since the audit. *emphasis VI's*

Fortunately, a memo sent to Rodriguez on 7-24-09 (I.E. before the shit hit the fan) seems to point to the latter.

"The 2008-2009 football season began on August 4, 2008, and the last game was played on November 22, 2008. Out-of-season practice began on January 11, 2009 and ended April 14, 2009. At the time of our review in May 2009, no CARA forms had been submitted by the football program. The out-of-season forms were submitted after the audit was completed and were therefore not reviewed by University Audits. The regular season forms still have not been submitted. All other varsity sports submitted their CARA forms timely. [emphasis VI's]

Athletics should emphasize to the football program the importance of submitting CARA forms timely to ensure compliance with NCAA limits on athletically related activities. Athletics should also determine if the football program's process for completing CARA forms can be improved and assist if necessary.

Thank you for giving attention to this item. There will be no follow-up review for this issue and your response is not required."


...no infractions were found by the audit group.

Well, of course not! When auditing records for potential infractions ...well, it's usually helpful to have some records on hand to audit.

Look, the most troubling thing about the release of this report is the timing. I don't think anyone's shocked to find that Rodriguez has been inept and/or duplicitous in his record-keeping on the matters under scrutiny and that the interview process of the NCAA's investigation will therefore most likely play the dominant role in determining what charges may be leveled, but for a University entity to allow this filthy laundry to air during Ohio State Week is telling of the derision among the Board of Regents and University Administration.

Mark my words, Tpilews: Rodriguez is a goner.

[GoBlue21]

Several top football programs, including Ohio State, have said that it takes more than 20 hours a week to be a top football program in the country. And how do you distinguish if players are going over 20 hours a week if they voluntarily go over that mark? And why is the NCAA only investigating Michigan on this rule? They know the top programs in the country have players voluntarily going well over the 20 hour mark. If they're going to investigate Michigan, they should be investigating many more teams to see if these other programs are going over 20 hours/week, whether these programs are turning in practice reports or not.

Exactly why Jim Tressel and the Buckeyes CAME OUT to support the Wolverines when this became an issue. Because EVERYONE does it and if Michigan takes a hit for it, EVERY other university will be under the same microscope! Universities DON'T want that, that's why they came to Michigan's side and gave their support!

[Vested_Interest]

...And why is the NCAA only investigating Michigan on this rule?[...]

Ask the malcontents responsible for leaking damning information into the public sector ...where it could be sniffed-out and developed by an overly zealous investigative journalist. After all, that now infamous Freep article is what forced the University's hand in terms of reporting the potential violations to the NCAA.

This whole thing is among the fruition of the civil war that began on the date Rodriguez was hired. And Rich Rod's actions since then have done nothing to quell the in-fighting, which is the main reason he won't be roaming the sidelines in AA next season, in my very humble and woefully under-informed opinion.

[ErocWolverine]

The problem I have right now is everything little thing keeps piling up and is making a big hill out of a mole hill.

Also most of this stuff is self-inflicted by Michigan and the coaching staff and is just giving other teams, media, etc... ammo without even getting their hands dirty because Michigan keeps shooting themselves in the foot.

[goblue]

Ask the malcontents responsible for leaking damning information into the public sector ...where it could be sniffed-out and developed by an overly zealous investigative journalist. After all, that now infamous Freep article is what forced the University's hand in terms of reporting the potential violations to the NCAA.

This whole thing is among the fruition of the civil war that began on the date Rodriguez was hired. And Rich Rod's actions since then have done nothing to quell the in-fighting, which is the main reason he won't be roaming the sidelines in AA next season, in my very humble and woefully under-informed opinion.

Yea and the free press knows what they did. I noticed on www.freep.com that the opinions from the readers of all their articles are now shut off from the public. Everyone before used to be able to see these opinions from readers right below most articles. The reason why they won't reveal these opinions freely to the public like they used to is cause the people were calling them out for being anti-Michigan and the freep doesn't want people to read that. "Mr. freepress, tear down those walls!"

As far as RR not roaming the sidelines in AA next season, until president Mary Sue Coleman and AD Bill Martin don't support RR, I see them giving RR at least one more year, maybe even two or three years if Michigan gradually improves each season. Unless of course RR is found guilty of violations that would qualify for his dismissal.

[tpilews]

Mark my words, Tpilews: Rodriguez is a goner.

With a loss this weekend, he very well could be. Being down here in Florida, I don't get to hear the local uprise. I talked to my father yesterday (who lives in Toledo) and he said people are going nuts (no pun intended). A UM win this weekend saves his job for another year. I still think it'd be an awful mistake to fire him after 2 years.

[Sten Carlson]

Mark my words, Tpilews: Rodriguez is a goner.

Are you willing to bet your membership in here on that?

How about if RR is the head football coach of the University of Michigan in the 2010 season, i.e., he isn't a "goner", you'll voluntarily remove yourself from Hailvictors.com and NEVER COME BACK.

If he is a goner, I will do the same.

Deal?

*virtual handshake*

[Vested_Interest]

Are you willing to bet your membership in here on that?

How about if RR is the head football coach of the University of Michigan in the 2010 season, i.e., he isn't a "goner", you'll voluntarily remover yourself from Hailvictors.com and NEVER COME BACK.

If he is a goner, I will do the same.

Deal?

*virtual handshake*

Done. :)

Note to Mod: please add this to the Official Bets thread.

[Vested_Interest]

BTW, Sten, since I'm not nearly as emotionally invested in this site (and in seeing you leave) as you are in seeing me gone, I'll forgive your impending debt to me when the time comes ...so long as you display an avatar and signature of my choosing for six full months.

[tpilews]

Done. :)

Note to Mod: please add this to the Official Bets thread.

Done........