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amazinblue

12-06-2009, 02:21 PM

Chad,

There's a degree of accountability associated with my support and comments regarding RR. Brandon Smith was part of the Carr / RR class - correct?

So, though Smith was completely recruited by RR, IMO RR should be accountable for this class - not entirely - but, there is accountability for it.

I didn't read the post at MGOBLOG - so, I don't know the reasons. Maybe he didn't want to put in the effort. Maybe he wants to be closer to home - i.e. Rutgers / PSU. Maybe he found himself too low on the depth chart - which, if you look at our LB's really says something about his talent and ability.

Go Blue...

Mike Furley

12-06-2009, 02:40 PM

what ever happened with that sexual asssault allegation involving the nameless UM player who was supposed to be a contributor next year? Is it possible this announcement is related in any way?

I read the blog post and there's concern that RR can't afford too many more players crapping out before graduating or otherwise UM runs the risk of being penalized with scholarship reductions. This might actually be a good reason for keeping RR around since a coaching change would lead to some kids skipping out on the new coach.

chad

12-06-2009, 02:46 PM

deltguy2

12-06-2009, 02:49 PM

Who is this guy? Name doesn't ring a bell, a 3rd stringer possibly? If so, then c-ya...If you weren't getting any PT anyway with the crappy D we had last year, then I think we'll be ok with him leaving.

I just looked him up, he was a star safety in the 2008 class. If he hasn't gotten any PT in the last 2 years with that horrible D, no big loss.

Wolvrin704

12-06-2009, 03:10 PM

deltguy2

12-06-2009, 05:22 PM

Smith was too slow to play S so was moved to LB and eventually could have been a contributor either as a starter or depth. Not a great loss but one that certainly doesn't help based on our defensive lack of depth and experience.

He is counted as a Carr recruit even though he signed after Carr left. For unknown reasons he strung out his recruitment.

Thanks for the info.

Good luck to him in the future, obviously he is not a true Michigan man. Sounds like he was buried in the depth chart and knew he wasn't going to be getting any PT.

Rockie

12-07-2009, 01:18 AM

He hasn't decided yet, but is forcasted to leave. Also, look for up to two more kids to transfer out (Carr's recruits of the 08 class). Rumor has it one is a long snapper from Los Vegas, that is being beat out by a walk-on. The other is a slot wr from Texas. Also, Michigan is looking at maybe two kids not qualifing in this upcoming recruiting class and one kid may just decommit altogether. Hence is why they are going to 28

chad

12-07-2009, 05:34 AM

Thanks for the info.

Good luck to him in the future, obviously he is not a true Michigan man. Sounds like he was buried in the depth chart and knew he wasn't going to be getting any PT.

Let's quit the BS about a "True Michigan Man"! it's fine and dandy to all happy when Michigan is winning but it's a WHOLE different thing when Michigan is having a mass exodus of players transferring and Michigan just put up 2 of their worse years ever under Rod not too mention all the bad press that's gone along with him (warranted or not). When you come into a program and basically clean house and give everyone the impression (spoken or unspoken) that you're telling them they've done everything wrong here the last 40+ years and your way is much better you BETTER put your $ where your mouth is and put up results! Rod has not done that and has clearly underachieved (Toledo, Purdue 08&09, Illinois).

bighousemike84

12-07-2009, 06:23 AM

RADRACING

12-07-2009, 07:07 AM

Chad,

I dont know what you want man. Michigan and RR are in a relationship that will last at least another 2 years so you just have to buckle down and live with it. I am not happy about the last 2 seasons but I do see progress being made, I do see this team starting to get much better its just going to take patience. I dont like to hear about players transfering but at this point Smith leaving only hurts Michigan in the depth department. If a guy like JT Turner or Denard Robinson transfered then I would be worried

You really think RR will last past next year? I find that statement laughable.

1. If a first year coach at ND can come in and beat RR he will be the laughing stock of collage football 2. at this point I don't even see how UM is going to beat the MAC school on the schedule, considering UM is the worst team in the Big Ten. RR will be history after next year and UM will move on.

Blue In Ohio

12-07-2009, 08:13 AM

Chad,

I dont know what you want man. Michigan and RR are in a relationship that will last at least another 2 years so you just have to buckle down and live with it. I am not happy about the last 2 seasons but I do see progress being made, I do see this team starting to get much better its just going to take patience. I dont like to hear about players transfering but at this point Smith leaving only hurts Michigan in the depth department. If a guy like JT Turner or Denard Robinson transfered then I would be worried

I agree with you Mike on what you say. Only the irrational mental bozos would want to fire RR at this point and can't accept the truth for what it is. Firing RR would only lead to even more turmoil in the program. I think the fans need to lay off and let this guy have a chance to coach. The fact that he has won big before is why I think the guy deserves atleast 5 years to make things happen. I've buckled down and am expecting great things in the future. The fact that our lousy team matched up pretty well with a talented and experienced OSU squad was promising in my eyes. Things can only get better.

Blue In Ohio

12-07-2009, 08:17 AM

Chad,

I dont know what you want man. Michigan and RR are in a relationship that will last at least another 2 years so you just have to buckle down and live with it. I am not happy about the last 2 seasons but I do see progress being made, I do see this team starting to get much better its just going to take patience. I dont like to hear about players transfering but at this point Smith leaving only hurts Michigan in the depth department. If a guy like JT Turner or Denard Robinson transfered then I would be worried

There's a reason the UM grads want to see this thing through and give RR a chance to coach and that reason is the UM grads are much smarter than the non UM grads who want him fired so bad. The UM grads are smart enough to see what the situation is rather than wanting to make silly decisions based on nothing but emotion. I agree with the UM grads.

FLex500

12-07-2009, 08:22 AM

There's a reason the UM grads want to see this thing through and give RR a chance to coach and that reason is the UM grads are much smarter than the non UM grads who want him fired so bad. The UM grads are smart enough to see what the situation is rather than wanting to make silly decisions based on nothing but emotion. I agree with the UM grads.
non-UM grad don't want him fired here!!

I just think it's commom sense. It's more of the people lacking patience AND I think the biggest thing is it's the fans who think UM football has the God given right to be at least decent and make a bowl every year.....to all those people...Guess What? Um doesn't, you have to actually be good.

So it really is two kinds of people. The young more fair weather fans with no patience. And the old school guys who think UM is some all powerful program that no matter how bad they how...how much talent they don't have...is guaranteed a decent season.

Silver Bullet

12-07-2009, 08:22 AM

I agree with you Mike on what you say. Only the irrational mental bozos would want to fire RR at this point and can't accept the truth for what it is. Firing RR would only lead to even more turmoil in the program. I think the fans need to lay off and let this guy have a chance to coach. The fact that he has won big before is why I think the guy deserves atleast 5 years to make things happen. I've buckled down and am expecting great things in the future. The fact that our lousy team matched up pretty well with a talented and experienced OSU squad was promising in my eyes. Things can only get better.

Um may be better in the future but I have no idea how you can take any solace in that loss to Ohio State. OSU's defense neutralized Um's offense that was supposed to be the strength of the team and scored points by being completely one dimensional. Tressel watched tape of Um and decided that OSU could be Um by running the ball down their throats and not even have to risk a turnover by throwing. How is that a "promising" thing? To break that down even further, OSU dominated the Um defense by running the EXACT same offense that RR and Um run. Pryor was gashing the defense on the run option and Um's defense looked clueless how to stop it. That's not good. But hey, if you want to just look at the score and gauge your enthusiasm on that then go ahead.

Bossgobbler23

12-07-2009, 08:25 AM

Chad,

I dont know what you want man. Michigan and RR are in a relationship that will last at least another 2 years so you just have to buckle down and live with it. I am not happy about the last 2 seasons but I do see progress being made, I do see this team starting to get much better its just going to take patience. I dont like to hear about players transfering but at this point Smith leaving only hurts Michigan in the depth department. If a guy like JT Turner or Denard Robinson transfered then I would be worried

I agree 100% with you Mike, but you are not going to change Chad's mind anymore than he will ours. I fail to see this mass exodus this year, maybe Chad knows something regarding that, that I don't. Perhaps he subscribes to more college football pay sites than I do. :rolleyes:
Anyhow, the truth on Smith is that they want to move him to LB because he 5' 9" and is running a 4.8 40 and is too slow for the Safety position that he wants to play. He has outgrown his HS position (common thing). No D1 college will let him play safety at that speed. He is not talking transfer for any other reason.

FLex500

12-07-2009, 08:34 AM

Um may be better in the future but I have no idea how you can take any solace in that loss to Ohio State. OSU's defense neutralized Um's offense that was supposed to be the strength of the team and scored points by being completely one dimensional. Tressel watched tape of Um and decided that OSU could be Um by running the ball down their throats and not even have to risk a turnover by throwing. How is that a "promising" thing? To break that down even further, OSU dominated the Um defense by running the EXACT same offense that RR and Um run. Pryor was gashing the defense on the run option and Um's defense looked clueless how to stop it. That's not good. But hey, if you want to just look at the score and gauge your enthusiasm on that then go ahead.
You can spin it a lot of ways but when I left the stadium that day a whole lot of UM fans felt good about that "loss" and it was the most docile and quiet I've seen osu fans after a win.

To be really honest only online and on the radio do I hear this proud confidence like this post from you from OSU fans.

In mind I break it down like this....

UM offense- yeah it's "okay" but osu fans are now acting like the UM offense is alabama and OSU shut that down...ummmm...No UM is a team with freshman qb's, a line missing the best lineman, and a so so line other than that as well as both stud RB's being hurt and not playing against OSU.

UM defense-sucks

OSU beat UM 42-7 last year and this year 21-10 AND TP is a veteran now. Plus you can say "that part of the game" and it surely is...but you can't act like the "gifts" didn't happen. The ridiculous 5 turnovers the missed field goal. That is part of the game and not once have i said since that game "UM should have or could have won". But again you can't pretend like you didn't see those things.

So when I left the stadium I thought "damn your telling me this rose bowl bound, big ten champ, who is 10-2 beat a shitty 5-7 UM team 21-10 with UM gift wrapping 10 to 13 points.

I felt better about UM's future and UM after the osu game than I did after the ND game.

shirc

12-07-2009, 08:45 AM

[QUOTE=Mike Furley;38287]what ever happened with that sexual asssault allegation involving the nameless UM player who was supposed to be a contributor next year? QUOTE]

You have to be mistaken. According to Michigan Man, all who done the winged helmets are men of impossibly high moral character. Men who indeed, are just a little below Jesus Christ himself in goodness. Men who play football at Michigan are above sainthood.

Silver Bullet

12-07-2009, 09:07 AM

You can spin it a lot of ways but when I left the stadium that day a whole lot of UM fans felt good about that "loss" and it was the most docile and quiet I've seen osu fans after a win.

To be really honest only online and on the radio do I hear this proud confidence like this post from you from OSU fans.

In mind I break it down like this....

UM offense- yeah it's "okay" but osu fans are now acting like the UM offense is alabama and OSU shut that down...ummmm...No UM is a team with freshman qb's, a line missing the best lineman, and a so so line other than that as well as both stud RB's being hurt and not playing against OSU.

UM defense-sucks

OSU beat UM 42-7 last year and this year 21-10 AND TP is a veteran now. Plus you can say "that part of the game" and it surely is...but you can't act like the "gifts" didn't happen. The ridiculous 5 turnovers the missed field goal. That is part of the game and not once have i said since that game "UM should have or could have won". But again you can't pretend like you didn't see those things.

So when I left the stadium I thought "damn your telling me this rose bowl bound, big ten champ, who is 10-2 beat a shitty 5-7 UM team 21-10 with UM gift wrapping 10 to 13 points.

I felt better about UM's future and UM after the osu game than I did after the ND game.

I completely disagree with people when they consider turnovers gifts. Saying this is like saying that Forcier went out there with the intention of giving the ball to OSU. That is to say nothing of the pressure that OSU was putting on him to make him feel uncomfortable and force him into bad throws or the fact that OSU's defense was in the right place to make the interception. A couple of those picks were beautiful catches by the OSU secondary. I'm sorry but you have to give OSU credit as well.

Good defenses force turnovers and if you check the stat line that defense has been getting turnovers all year. It wasn't a fluke thing against Um. I really feel that OSU went out there and played with 1 arm behind their backs and still dominated. This isn't an OSU thing for me either. I was just as disgusted last year when OSU fans were happy about a close loss to Texas in the bowl game and OSU was actually playing well that game. A loss is a loss and that is all people remember.

tpilews

12-07-2009, 09:12 AM

I completely disagree with people when they consider turnovers gifts. Saying this is like saying that Forcier went out there with the intention of giving the ball to OSU. That is to say nothing of the pressure that OSU was putting on him to make him feel uncomfortable and force him into bad throws or the fact that OSU's defense was in the right place to make the interception. A couple of those picks were beautiful catches by the OSU secondary. I'm sorry but you have to give OSU credit as well.

Good defenses force turnovers and if you check the stat line that defense has been getting turnovers all year. It wasn't a fluke thing against Um. I really feel that OSU went out there and played with 1 arm behind their backs and still dominated. This isn't an OSU thing for me either. I was just as disgusted last year when OSU fans were happy about a close loss to Texas in the bowl game and OSU was actually playing well that game. A loss is a loss and that is all people remember.

I agree that Tate didn't go out there with the intention of turning the ball over. Some credit certainly goes to the tuos defense for what they did. However, the "gift" part of it was the decision making by Tate. If he was more experienced/seasoned, perhaps a few of those throws are never made, or they are made out of bounds.

Silver Bullet

12-07-2009, 09:19 AM

I agree that Tate didn't go out there with the intention of turning the ball over. Some credit certainly goes to the tuos defense for what they did. However, the "gift" part of it was the decision making by Tate. If he was more experienced/seasoned, perhaps a few of those throws are never made, or they are made out of bounds.

Certainly his decision making was questionable in this game. My point is that the pressure and the hits he was sustaining figured into this just as much as his inexperience. In the past, Forcier wouldn't hesitate to run in situations where he wasn't comfortable making a dangerous pass. Against OSU he didn't want to hold on to the ball any longer than he needed to. OSU took him out of his game.

FLex500

12-07-2009, 09:57 AM

Certainly his decision making was questionable in this game. My point is that the pressure and the hits he was sustaining figured into this just as much as his inexperience. In the past, Forcier wouldn't hesitate to run in situations where he wasn't comfortable making a dangerous pass. Against OSU he didn't want to hold on to the ball any longer than he needed to. OSU took him out of his game.
i do get your point...and I think to be clear I don't think any UM fans are saying "UM is better UM should have won".

OSU won and deserved and I concede is the better team this year...no doubt.

As far as was the loss encouraging? I think so but we will probably have to agree to disagree.

GoBlue21

12-07-2009, 12:09 PM

the "gift"

The 'gift' was Tate fumbling in the endzone for tUOS first TD. He wasn't sacked, tackled, or touched. He just hit his own damn leg with the ball and fumbled it the endzone. That's called a GIFT!

That changed momentum QUICKLY!

1OSUNUT

12-07-2009, 12:53 PM

Pryor threw a pick on his first pass against Michigan last year - that shifted momentum early as well. What is the point.

Swoosh

12-07-2009, 12:56 PM

Pryor threw a pick on his first pass against Michigan last year - that shifted momentum early as well. What is the point.

We kept the gas to the floor on shifting the momentum 4 more times:mad:

We never really got any momentum that game, OSU defense deserves the credit.

RADRACING

12-07-2009, 12:57 PM

The UM grads are smart enough to see what the situation is rather than wanting to make silly decisions based on nothing but emotion. I agree with the UM grads.

haha you are funny too, "based on emotion" you got it wrong it's based on results and UM has done nothing but get worse since the day RR walked on campus. RR is a joke!

The 'gift' was Tate fumbling in the endzone for tUOS first TD. He wasn't sacked, tackled, or touched. He just hit his own damn leg with the ball and fumbled it the endzone. That's called a GIFT!

That changed momentum QUICKLY!

What did you see, All I recall is Tate getting run over by Gibson then the ball was dropped.

Medic

12-07-2009, 01:14 PM

What did you see, All I recall is Tate getting run over by Gibson then the ball was dropped.

Nobody had touched him when he fumbled, what game were you watching? Rad if you're going to mouth off, at least know what you're talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNoeOIGpg0&feature=youtube_gdata

If that version isn't clear enough for you, you can always google the other 500 OSU websites that have the HD version.

Silver Bullet

12-07-2009, 01:16 PM

The 'gift' was Tate fumbling in the endzone for tUOS first TD. He wasn't sacked, tackled, or touched. He just hit his own damn leg with the ball and fumbled it the endzone. That's called a GIFT!

That changed momentum QUICKLY!

Oh, you mean the play where pressure forced him out of the pocket and the OSU secondary had all the receivers blanketed and Forcier panicked and dropped the ball. That gift?

FLex500

12-07-2009, 01:41 PM

Oh, you mean the play where pressure forced him out of the pocket and the OSU secondary had all the receivers blanketed and Forcier panicked and dropped the ball. That gift?
haha yes that gift...and you made it sound like more of a gift than I made it out to be!

Turnovers happen...but it is a gift...and was all year when forcier would be running around and knock the ball out of his own hand, or trip over his own two feet and drop the ball. yes those are gifts. That doesn't mean UM should have won, that doesn't mean UM is better but it is a gift certainly.

FLex500

12-07-2009, 01:43 PM

Nobody had touched him when he fumbled, what game were you watching? Rad if you're going to mouth off, at least know what you're talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNoeOIGpg0&feature=youtube_gdata

If that version isn't clear enough for you, you can always google the other 500 OSU websites that have the HD version.
haha holly crap he did just hit it with his knee...stuff like that is just bad luck. OSU fans can talk about all the skill that made that happen but it's bad luck and a freshman mistake.

Similar to how TP fumbled against psu last year. Just a dumb, fluky play.

But it's part of the game so it is what it is.

Don Unverferth

12-07-2009, 01:49 PM

Oh, you mean the play where pressure forced him out of the pocket and the OSU secondary had all the receivers blanketed and Forcier panicked and dropped the ball. That gift?

Right, and Thad was pretty lucky to be right there to blast Tate and keep the fumble alive in the endzone. KC was pretty lucky to read Tate's eyes and bolt to the sideline to pick off that air mail. Gibson was also pretty lucky he could jump that high. And Torrence was lucky that he was reading tate's eyes again to move in front the WR for the pick. Good defensive play=gift.

RADRACING

12-07-2009, 02:03 PM

Nobody had touched him when he fumbled, what game were you watching? Rad if you're going to mouth off, at least know what you're talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNoeOIGpg0&feature=youtube_gdata

If that version isn't clear enough for you, you can always google the other 500 OSU websites that have the HD version.

I don't look at Ohio State web sites, and also that #57 looked like he knocked the blocker back into the ball and it fell out of his hand, I didn't see any knee, replay it and look.

Silver Bullet

12-07-2009, 02:08 PM

Right, and Thad was pretty lucky to be right there to blast Tate and keep the fumble alive in the endzone. KC was pretty lucky to read Tate's eyes and bolt to the sideline to pick off that air mail. Gibson was also pretty lucky he could jump that high. And Torrence was lucky that he was reading tate's eyes again to move in front the WR for the pick. Good defensive play=gift.

Exactly right. Other acceptable excuses: the refs screwed us, the field was crappy and Tressel called in bomb-sniffing dogs.

FLex500

12-07-2009, 03:21 PM

Exactly right. Other acceptable excuses: the refs screwed us, the field was crappy and Tressel called in bomb-sniffing dogs.
see I just don't understand why this is so hard to get. Not one single perso is saying Um should have won or that they are the better team...but osu fans get so uptight and worked up when UM fans say they were encouraged.

All we are saying is "it should have been worse...much worse". A loss is not just a loss, especially in college football.

Let me ask you this...

If you coached a high school team and they lost to the dallas cowboys 72 to nothing would you feel the same was as if they lost 21-10 while giving up 5 turnovers?

That in a nutshell is how UM fans felt.