How does USC do it?

[gord]

WTF? Yet another violation, yet we hear nothing of any type of sanctions.
How do they continue to get away with it with nothing from the NCAA?
We practice to much and we get investigated, USC has running backs parents living in mansions and another driving the car of "my baby mama's boss."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4755867

[1OSUNUT]

I guess when your in a major market that does not have pro football - that is what you can get away with. It does seem from the outside that USC is playing by another set of rules. The Bush and Mayo cases have been silent for awhile - my guess is that the NCAA will just hope people forget about them. It does seem odd how hard the NCAA came after RR and how lax they are with Carroll and USC.

[Blue In Ohio]

These violations by USC are serious stuff and the kind of violations that can stop a program in it's tracks. Silly the NCAA even waste time going after the small stuff when things like this are going on right under it's nose. I'm sure at USC there is a mountain of violations if anyone bothered to investigate.

[NorCal Buckeye]

WTF? Yet another violation, yet we hear nothing of any type of sanctions.
How do they continue to get away with it with nothing from the NCAA?
We practice to much and we get investigated, USC has running backs parents living in mansions and another driving the car of "my baby mama's boss."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4755867

The double standard that SC enjoys is enough to make you think the NCAA is run by SC alums, or SC alum wannabes.

Geez, they should have been shut down for the Reggie Bush shenanigans a long time ago. It does appear they are quietly trying to sweep that one under the rug.:eek:

[TheHoff]

And don't forget nothing has really come up out of our investigation. And honestly I don't think anything will, the big schools like USC, UM, OSU, LSU, Texas, Florida, Bama, Oklahoma, etc can get away with this stuff.

[LAMfan]

Pretty obvious from the local LA perspective. There is a lot of "access" to the program for "fans". Neither Pete nor USC look beyond the locker room, like outside practice gates, to notice vehicles, houses, general stuff that might land in the hands of the players. In the LA times piece, Pete says"I don't know anything..." By design. Add an administration that protects this deniability rather than controls the situation and the only remedy for the NCAA is institutional lack of control, which takes more than one occurrence. So, it takes this recent case along with the others to mount up.

In contrast, Michigan does not tolerate this sort of thing (I believe). For a long time, I have thought it pretty clear that the elite programs have a clear advantage if they have financially creative boosters. I'll take ethical and top 10 over unethical and NC any day.

[rickyleach]

Pretty obvious from the local LA perspective. There is a lot of "access" to the program for "fans". Neither Pete nor USC look beyond the locker room, like outside practice gates, to notice vehicles, houses, general stuff that might land in the hands of the players. In the LA times piece, Pete says"I don't know anything..." By design. Add an administration that protects this deniability rather than controls the situation and the only remedy for the NCAA is institutional lack of control, which takes more than one occurrence. So, it takes this recent case along with the others to mount up.

In contrast, Michigan does not tolerate this sort of thing (I believe). For a long time, I have thought it pretty clear that the elite programs have a clear advantage if they have financially creative boosters. I'll take ethical and top 10 over unethical and NC any day.

good post ,the effort the ncaa is putting into finding out these violations is pathetic. hear no evil see no evil and speak no evil.

[Uncle Rico]

I'll bet that Mark May is in charge of the ''investigations'' !!: eek:

[bighousemike84]

Pete says"I don't know anything..."

This has been my issue with Tressel over his tenure at UOS, he has maintained a stance of ignorance regarding any kind of violations and that pisses me off. I cant imagine how the head coach would have absolutely no idea of what is going on with his players but these jerks hide behind this whole "I had no idea" bullshit.

[Wolvrin704]

Not to mention that ESPN seems to be in their back pocket as well. This story isn't even on their main page.

[rickyleach]

This has been my issue with Tressel over his tenure at UOS, he has maintained a stance of ignorance regarding any kind of violations and that pisses me off. I cant imagine how the head coach would have absolutely no idea of what is going on with his players but these jerks hide behind this whole "I had no idea" bullshit.

money and politics.....

[rickyleach]

WTF? Yet another violation, yet we hear nothing of any type of sanctions.
How do they continue to get away with it with nothing from the NCAA?
We practice to much and we get investigated, USC has running backs parents living in mansions and another driving the car of "my baby mama's boss."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4755867

they do it by having agents and bankers buy their gorlfreind a suv and then let the boyfriend drive it when ever he wants . what a scam.

[Wolvrin704]

One thing I find humorous is this guy says he was just helping the girls family out because they couldn't get a loan for the vehicle. Ok, somewhat understandable if they're good friends. But then goes on and says she is making the payments and its only $500 a month. Say what? I don't know about you guys but I've never had a car that I am paying $500 a month for and I'm not in college. How does a college student afford it? Methinks she is not paying it or she's being given the money to do so.

[rickyleach]

one thing i find humorous is this guy says he was just helping the girls family out because they couldn't get a loan for the vehicle. Ok, somewhat understandable if they're good friends. But then goes on and says she is making the payments and its only $500 a month. Say what? I don't know about you guys but i've never had a car that i am paying $500 a month for and i'm not in college. How does a college student afford it? Methinks she is not paying it or she's being given the money to do so.

you beat me to it ,i thought the same thing only 500 a month and she probably isnt working. What a joke.

[amazinblue]

... and she probably isnt working.

Ricky,

I've got to disagree with you here. My guess is that his girlfriend probably works at the car dealership. I'm guessing she probably works about 4 hours a week. She gets full healthcare benefits, and her annual salary is probably around $100K / year. Since - after all - a good receptionist can be very hard to find.

That is how USC does it....

[rickyleach]

Ricky,

I've got to disagree with you here. My guess is that his girlfriend probably works at the car dealership. I'm guessing she probably works about 4 hours a week. She gets full healthcare benefits, and her annual salary is probably around $100K / year. Since - after all - a good receptionist can be very hard to find.

That is how USC does it....

my bad you are probably right usc is making a joke out of the ncaa.

[Silver Bullet]

This has been my issue with Tressel over his tenure at UOS, he has maintained a stance of ignorance regarding any kind of violations and that pisses me off. I cant imagine how the head coach would have absolutely no idea of what is going on with his players but these jerks hide behind this whole "I had no idea" bullshit.

There it is! It always comes back to OSU right Mike? We will disregard the fact that the guy who was making the claims against OSU is currently in jail for operating a mobile militia/pub right? Of course when former players make accusations against Um them we all need to hold our tongues because they obviously have an axe to grind. This is why I get so much enjoyment when Um (more and more frequently) gets called to the carpet on their operations. It's Delta Bravos like yourself that invite the criticism. Somebody should tell a moderator to get this guy back on topic...oh I see...nevermind.

[chriswebber]

The irony of this situation is that Michigan has been sanctioned for paying their athletes. Thus, I am assuming that Michigan does have the right to complain for fair play. However, does this not make you hypocritical? Besides, if USC is found guilty, they won't get punished [ala Martin @ Michigan] to an extent to make it worth the investigation. Programs like this should be shut down and the coaching staff barred from NCAA coaching.

[Wolvrin704]

The irony of this situation is that Michigan has been sanctioned for paying their athletes. Thus, I am assuming that Michigan does have the right to complain for fair play. However, does this not make you hypocritical? Besides, if USC is found guilty, they won't get punished [ala Martin @ Michigan] to an extent to make it worth the investigation. Programs like this should be shut down and the coaching staff barred from NCAA coaching.

How does it make UM hypocritical? Please, I demand an explanation.

[chriswebber]

How does it make UM hypocritical? Please, I demand an explanation.

Seriously, can you think on your own?

[cartyboi]

So, like, I'd like a list of teams that DON'T pay their players...

It's sad to think about but almost all top programs pay at least their top players somehow. Everyone is doing it. Not everyone is getting caught.

[Wolvrin704]

Seriously, can you think on your own?

I can think very well but since you make the accusation perhaps you should back up YOUR OWN argument.

[bluefan]

I can think very well but since you make the accusation perhaps you should back up YOUR OWN argument.

I'm interested to see his response on this as well. He's been dead wrong on 2 points so far. Can't wait to see how much more stupid he can make himself look.

Also, going way back to the second comment on this thread: NUT, the NCAA hasn't gone after RR for anything. If you're referring to "practicegate" that was merely some hack journalist making up a story. UM decided to do the investigation as per procedure. If they find something amiss or their investigation lacks in some way then the NCAA gets involved.

[The Michigan Man]

The irony of this situation is that Michigan has been sanctioned for paying their athletes. Thus, I am assuming that Michigan does have the right to complain for fair play. However, does this not make you hypocritical? Besides, if USC is found guilty, they won't get punished [ala Martin @ Michigan] to an extent to make it worth the investigation. Programs like this should be shut down and the coaching staff barred from NCAA coaching.

This is news to me: Michigan paid its athletes? Who and when?

[rickyleach]

how does usc do it THEY CCCCHHHHHEEEEEAAAAT.

[chriswebber]

This is news to me: Michigan paid its athletes? Who and when?

Ed Martin and Joe McNight's girlfriend's boss share the same position.


The N.C.A.A. infractions chairman, Tom Yeager, called Michigan’s case “one of the three or four most egregious violations of N.C.A.A. bylaws in the history of the association.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/03/sports/ncaabasketball/03fabfive.html

Thus, we have Michigan players being paid.

Stay tuned for insults, rants, and blatant lies.

[amazinblue]

Thus, we have Michigan players being paid...

CWebb,

As you know - since you took the dough - this was not by anyone in the Michigan Athletic department. No one who "directed" these funds to those players was employed by the University.

Yes, this booster was crooked as can be. But, the university was not aware of his actions.

[chriswebber]

CWebb,

As you know - since you took the dough - this was not by anyone in the Michigan Athletic department. No one who "directed" these funds to those players was employed by the University.

Yes, this booster was crooked as can be. But, the university was not aware of his actions.

I totally forgot, Michigan was the victim. For the 10+ Martin had been funding the program and players, no one ever asked where these players received their cash? If Michigan was the victim, why was the team banned from post season play? Believe as you may, but the record shows Michigan is guilty. Actually, the record shows VACATED.

This makes me believe you are a character on Jersey Shore.

[The Michigan Man]

I totally forgot, Michigan was the victim. For the 10+ Martin had been funding the program and players, no one ever asked where these players received their cash? If Michigan was the victim, why was the team banned from post season play? Believe as you may, but the record shows Michigan is guilty. Actually, the record shows VACATED.

This makes me believe you are a character on Jersey Shore.

Here is what you said:


The irony of this situation is that Michigan has been sanctioned for paying their athletes.

I'll ask again - who at Michigan was paying their athletes? When you make that statement, you are saying that someone employed with the university was paying "their athletes".

You are obviously confusing a university employee with a booster. Do you understand there is a distinction? A Ed Martin was not a university employee, he was a retired Ford worker who was shady as hell and single-handedly brought down a great basketball program.

Words have meaning - you are one of the most careless, sloppy trolls on this website. Just ask Juice Jones.

[Blue In Ohio]

I totally forgot, Michigan was the victim. For the 10+ Martin had been funding the program and players, no one ever asked where these players received their cash? If Michigan was the victim, why was the team banned from post season play? Believe as you may, but the record shows Michigan is guilty. Actually, the record shows VACATED.

This makes me believe you are a character on Jersey Shore.

You should change your name to Maurice Clarett as a tribute. Atleast Webber went to class and far as I know passed the classes. Clarett, the player who never attended a single class for your school yet helped your team to the NC. If you had a coach with integrity this would have never happened. JT knew what was going on.

[Wolvrin704]

Ed Martin and Joe McNight's girlfriend's boss share the same position.




Sorry, didn't realize Martin was dating you when you played at UM.

[chriswebber]

Sorry, didn't realize Martin was dating you when you played at UM.

Do you need help with your reading comprehension? I wrote out the logical notation to describe this argument, but I delete it, since you wouldn't understand it anyways.

Also, Michigan Man - I would reply to your post but the NCAA made a formal ruling.


And finally, the Football team is under investigation by the NCAA. The real question is "How do programs like UM, Tennessee, USC get away with breaking NCAA rules, while producing mediocre seasons?"

[TheHoff]

The real question is "How do programs like tOSU, UM, Tennesse, and USC get away with breaking NCAA rules?"

If you think your mighty Buckeyes aren't breaking any NCAA rules, than you would have to be the most ignorant person on the planet. Every big program does this, it's just a matter if who gets caught and who doesn't.

[chriswebber]

The real question is "How do programs like tOSU, UM, Tennesse, and USC get away with breaking NCAA rules?"

If you think your mighty Buckeyes aren't breaking any NCAA rules, than you would have to be the most ignorant person on the planet. Every big program does this, it's just a matter if who gets caught and who doesn't.

I highly doubt this generalized statement. Can you prove it with evidence such as pass convictions? If every school broke the rules, why does the NCAA enforce these rules? If Ohio State is as bad as everyone states, where are all the NCAA investigators? It would seem that not every big school breaks these rules. Actually, if every big school broke these rules, wouldn't the NCAA as a body, vote to change the rules? I am thoroughly confused. Does BYU, Northwestern, or Notre Dame break these rules? BYU and Notre Dame are pretty Big Time programs. Do you think TCU breaks these rules?

[TheHoff]

I highly doubt this generalized statement. Can you prove it with evidence such as pass convictions? If every school broke the rules, why does the NCAA enforce these rules? If Ohio State is as bad as everyone states, where are all the NCAA investigators? It would seem that not every big school breaks these rules. Actually, if every big school broke these rules, wouldn't the NCAA as a body, vote to change the rules? I am thoroughly confused. Does BYU, Northwestern, or Notre Dame break these rules? BYU and Notre Dame are pretty Big Time programs. Do you think TCU breaks these rules?


You keep talking about "these rules" what are "these rules"? Did I say every big program breaks the same rules? No I did not, and yes I believe just about every big sports school has broken NCAA rules. Do they do it all the time? No, I never said that. But I do believe schools break a rule from time to time, and that includes Michigan. And players get paid everywhere.

[chriswebber]

You keep talking about "these rules" what are "these rules"? Did I say every big program breaks the same rules? No I did not, and yes I believe just about every big sports school has broken NCAA rules. Do they do it all the time? No, I never said that. But I do believe schools break a rule from time to time, and that includes Michigan. And players get paid everywhere.

NCAA rules, what other rules, traffic laws?

[TheHoff]

NCAA rules, what other rules, traffic laws?

:rolleyes:I was referring to which NCAA rules, glad you couldn't understand such a simple question.

[rickyleach]

I highly doubt this generalized statement. Can you prove it with evidence such as pass convictions? If every school broke the rules, why does the NCAA enforce these rules? If Ohio State is as bad as everyone states, where are all the NCAA investigators? It would seem that not every big school breaks these rules. Actually, if every big school broke these rules, wouldn't the NCAA as a body, vote to change the rules? I am thoroughly confused. Does BYU, Northwestern, or Notre Dame break these rules? BYU and Notre Dame are pretty Big Time programs. Do you think TCU breaks these rules?

the bottom line is webber you are a jackass on this site trying to cause problems , you are here to stir the pot not talk football.

[Wolvrin704]

Do you need help with your reading comprehension? I wrote out the logical notation to describe this argument, but I delete it, since you wouldn't understand it anyways.

Also, Michigan Man - I would reply to your post but the NCAA made a formal ruling.


And finally, the Football team is under investigation by the NCAA. The real question is "How do programs like UM, Tennessee, USC get away with breaking NCAA rules, while producing mediocre seasons?"

Do you not understand sarcasm?

You stated that McNight's GF and martin shared the same position. Using logic that would mean that Webber and martin were dating since that is the position of McKnight's GF.

Your arguments hold so little water and logic that swiss cheese is more solid. You have yet to admit what program you support and do nothing on here but stir up trouble. At every turn you snip at UM instead of debating the true thread subject such as this one where the question is how can USC get away with so much?

[TheHoff]

Do you not understand sarcasm?

You stated that McNight's GF and martin shared the same position. Using logic that would mean that Webber and martin were dating since that is the position of McKnight's GF.

Your arguments hold so little water and logic that swiss cheese is more solid. You have yet to admit what program you support and do nothing on here but stir up trouble. At every turn you snip at UM instead of debating the true thread subject such as this one where the question is how can USC get away with so much?

Broken record trolls?

[chriswebber]

What rules is tOSU breaking?

[amazinblue]

CWebb,

I believe there is a rule that Scholarship athletes must actually be enrolled at the University for which they are playing, and that they must maintain a minimum grade point average....

Best I can tell - that seems to be a problem with several of these "scholar athletes" at OSU...

[1OSUNUT]

Who is under investigation Ohio State or Michigan ? Who is being accused of cheating ? Looks like Michigan is the one running a dirty program right now - not Ohio State.

[The Michigan Man]

Who is under investigation Ohio State or Michigan ? Who is being accused of cheating ? Looks like Michigan is the one running a dirty program right now - not Ohio State.


And what you mean to say is "Looks like Michigan is ALLEGEDLY the one running a dirty program right now"

Since 2000, Ohio State has reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations -- the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided documents to The Columbus Dispatch through public-records requests for an article they ran in May 2009. That looks much dirtier than anything going on in Ann Arbor.

[PeterSleelaCleatte]

Im play in England where I learn to play lax at uni.

How does this happen, or even someone who isnt very good but want to play while at collage, can anyone play lacrosse. Do your collages have multiple teams they field, or do you just not play.

Clearly you will have try out for team we do for Rugby and football teams, what happens to player who are not in the top say 25 in that uni.

Sorry for my ignorance, the US set up interests me, I have read the difference between D1-3, and it always amazes me the vast set up you guys have compared to our unis.

On a side not do you a club lacrosse in the states at all, for after collage?

Thanks
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