And if RR goes 9-3, or 13-0?? What then?

[Revelli]

According to another thread on this board, Michigan could win up to 9 games this year. On that point you can all argue until the cows come home.

What I would like to know is, what will all the RR bashers say if he does indeed go 9-3 in 2010, and what would you say about him if he went 12-0?

I intend to hear your opinions objectively, and remember them at the end of the 2010 season. I will then bring this thread back to the top to compare with the actual results (W-L) and your actual comments after, so don't just go spouting off. Give this some thought. I look forward to your responses

P.S. Please don't turn this into a thread about wether he will or will not win this many games... just what you will say if he does.

[amazinblue]

Revelli,

Hard to predict what the naysayers will come up with. However, if Michigan goes 12-0 - I'm sure one of three things will happen - 1) the glass half-empty crowd will leave and just not return, 2) they will complain about Michigan Stadium being too loud with the new addition, they'll complain they no longer have a chance to strike up great conversations while waiting in the line at the restroom, and other useless drivel - but - they will complain about something - perhaps the color of RR's wrist bands, etc. or 3) they'll insist that RR and Michigan was "just lucky" - and, if - in fact, Carr had been the head coach - that Michigan would have been more impressive in their wins, they'd be higher ranked, and that Michigan's record would be 17-0 - like the Miami Dolphins of many years ago.

I'll be supportive of this team this year - and next. We'll have some bumps - I'm not looking forward to them, but - I do expect them to occur. And, if he goes 9-3 or better - you'll hear me say the following - "RR has recruited and signed two full classes - can you imagine what it will be like when these young men are fourth or fifth year seniors and not true freshman / sophomores." And, "it's been pretty difficult to watch the last couple of years, but - that pain was worth it to see what RR / GR / and the staff have put on the field - and, it's going to get better as they get more experience." Or, "as I've said before - culture is hard to change - what we're seeing is the foundation of Michigan football - it's been rebuilt - and it's going to do nothing but improve in the years to come." Maybe, "I don't think RR wants to go anywhere - as I've said, the reason why RR is here is because of his mentor and coach - Don Nehlen - and, you know what, I am going to enjoy watching this style of football for a very long time - since I want RR to wait until he's 70 before he retires."

On the overall play - "The O is getting it together and executing like I'd hope they would - the D is a pleasant surprise - still not perfect, but a significant improvement overall from last season".

[ButlerWolverine]

9-3 would be awesome....12-0 would be amazing. If this happens, I will certainly admit that I'm wrong about RR. I just want a coach who wins and produces a solid program in all aspects. My thought is if he wins 8 games, we keep him. If he doesn't, he goes. Very simple.

[1OSUNUT]

You guys can wish - but it's not realistic. I think 8-4 is about the best you can expect from next years team - and that might be a bit of a reach. When you look at how the team played last year, who they have to replace and the inexperience of those replacement players - it could be another long sesson. Then you combine that with a pretty tough schedule and the fact that Tate throws his body around to much - I'm thinking 6-6 or 5-7

[rickyleach]

i have been way off the last two years , all of those predictions were based on how michigan used to be ,so im thinking this season we will be better and hope we win more then we lose , maybe after the 3rd or 4th game ill predict ,but first i need to see our defense perform...everything boils around our D ..

[Wolvrin704]

You guys can wish - but it's not realistic. I think 8-4 is about the best you can expect from next years team - and that might be a bit of a reach. When you look at how the team played last year, who they have to replace and the inexperience of those replacement players - it could be another long sesson. Then you combine that with a pretty tough schedule and the fact that Tate throws his body around to much - I'm thinking 6-6 or 5-7

You really do need to learn reading comprehension.


P.S. Please don't turn this into a thread about wether he will or will not win this many games... just what you will say if he does.

[bighousemike84]

You really do need to learn reading comprehension.

Lol, you beat me to it

[wolverine]

According to another thread on this board, Michigan could win up to 9 games this year. On that point you can all argue until the cows come home.

What I would like to know is, what will all the RR bashers say if he does indeed go 9-3 in 2010, and what would you say about him if he went 12-0?

I intend to hear your opinions objectively, and remember them at the end of the 2010 season. I will then bring this thread back to the top to compare with the actual results (W-L) and your actual comments after, so don't just go spouting off. Give this some thought. I look forward to your responses

P.S. Please don't turn this into a thread about wether he will or will not win this many games... just what you will say if he does.


NOT going to happen with this defense I wish and hope it will BUT RR cannot coach D to save his life

[Wolvrin704]

NOT going to happen with this defense I wish and hope it will BUT RR cannot coach D to save his life

Which is why like most any other coach he has a D-coordinator.

[bighousemike84]

Which is why like most any other coach he has a D-coordinator.

Damn, you beat me to it again! :P

[bluefan]

NOT going to happen with this defense I wish and hope it will BUT RR cannot coach D to save his life

Wow. Do you actually watch the games and follow the team's goings on or do you just check the box score 3 days afterwards?

[wolverine]

Wow. Do you actually watch the games and follow the team's goings on or do you just check the box score 3 days afterwards?

I dont know what team YOU were watching Michigans D was really bad last year and most likely will be agian sadly,,,,I hope I am wrong BUT with Me it starts and ends with DEFENSE

[bluefan]

I dont know what team YOU were watching Michigans D was really bad last year and most likely will be agian sadly,,,,I hope I am wrong BUT with Me it starts and ends with DEFENSE

And that's a totally accurate and fair observation. The problem is you stated RR can't coach D like it's going to be UM's downfall. RR has never coached D and never will. Hence the signing of DC's everywhere he's been.

[The Michigan Man]

I dont know what team YOU were watching Michigans D was really bad last year and most likely will be agian sadly,,,,I hope I am wrong BUT with Me it starts and ends with DEFENSE

I think the Michigan defense will take a step forward, with a lot of good returning young guys that got some playing time last year and a crucial amount of stability that comes with having the same DC for 2 years. Will they dominate? No. I'm guessing they will be about average or slightly above. If that were the case last year, Michigan would probably have won 8-9 games, which I think will happen this year.

[Blue In Ohio]

The Michigan defense will still be young but will have some of the depth that it has lacked these last two seasons and that should help. We should be able to have a healthy rotation of defensive players to bring in and out along with the fact that if someone gets injured the drop off shouldn't be too bad.

[Revelli]

P.S. Please don't turn this into a thread about wether he will or will not win this many games... just what you will say if he does.

Funny how you guys let this happen anyway. Get back on topic. What will you bashers say IF he has a pretty solid winning year? I'm yet to hear anyone man up to the question.

[Shauneyboy68]

You morons call those of us who critizie RichRod "bashers," as if there's nothing wrong with the program and we're all just pointing out flaws for no reason other than we're a part of some mysterious agenda. Maybe we're all bigoted towards Mexicans, or maybe we just can't stand the thought of someone at the helm of Michigan who's not from Michigan and doesn't have the last name Schembechler.

First of all, there's plenty of things wrong right now and RichRod deserves to be "bashed." If you guys would stop whistling for two seconds you'd see the graveyard off to your left.

That said, if Michigan posts a solid record next year, I'll be the first person to give credit where credit's due. I want to see Michigan succeed. Yes, that means I WANT to see RR succeed. However, just because I want the guy to succeed I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore the mounting pile of negitives. What you RR apologists are doing is something called DENIAL. Denial is a defense mechanisim used by COWARDS (my Sten Carlson reference) and the mentally ill to avoid facing a reality with which they are unable to cope.

[amazinblue]

...First of all, there's plenty of things wrong right now and RichRod deserves to be "bashed." If you guys would stop whistling for two seconds you'd see the graveyard off to your left...

Shauneyboy,

I'd definitely count myself as an RR supporter - and, even before RR, I'm a supporter, fan, and alumnus of The University of Michigan. I am a very strong believer in accountability and responsibility, and I also believe that I have a realistic view of things I'm passionate about - and Michigan football is one of those things.

I always welcome an INTELLIGENT conversation on any topic, and this board serves as a great forum - with a primary purpose to discuss Michigan athletics, and football in particular.

Do I believe that RR is "perfect"? The answer is simply "no". Then again, is anyone "perfect"? The answer remains - a simple "no". We all have our strengths and our weaknesses - and, we all also have our perceptions, beliefs, and prejudices.

In my opinion, RR is a very solid coach - his strength is definitely on the Offensive side of the ball, and he's done what I felt was necessary (with the hire of GR) to focus on the D side of the ball. Now, if people wish to share an opinion or thoughts why they don't "care for" RR, that's fine by me - I would hope they could do so in an intelligent and mature manner.

Part of my job requires me to examine and understand "root causes" of problems before I propose recommendations or solutions to address them. And, again - in my opinion, Michigan football has been on a rather slow decline for a while. For how many years did we lose our first road game? For how many years have we been disappointed with the result of the OSU game? For how many years have we wished - "take your foot off the brake and hit the accelerator with this offensive talent"?

Certain elements of the program - S&C is the easiest and most obvious point - had fallen behind the times - that which is considered advanced or state of the art. The football players who excelled and developed while they were at Michigan over the last decade or more practiced with the Track team - the TRACK TEAM? Do you think this is the "premiere" way to train? Is that "leaders and best" in player development? You're entitled to your opinion - but, my opinion is "no, it's not". And, if you think about training - what is a secondary benefit aside the obvious increases in strength and condition - it's "unit cohesion" - a tightness - a family - within position and across the unit - if that's the O-line, or the offense. Just imagine if five offensive lineman are all working out 'separately' - versus those that are working out together - they could be doing benches, leg presses, squats, etc. - the exercise doesn't matter - it's being TOGETHER that's important - communicating effectively and efficiently - knowing in zone blocking who's going to do, how a blitz is being picked up, etc., etc.

As I've said before - the Michigan football program needed to be rebuilt - from the foundation up - at least that's what I felt was required to return the program to National Championship caliber - and, frankly, I don't think we've been at that level consistently since the 70's - an awesome decade, arguably the best for Michigan football. Has it been difficult to watch these past two seasons - you bet it has. Has it been tougher to watch than the loss to Appalachian State or the loss to Oregon, or almost annual losses to that school in Columbus? Honestly, that's a question that's hard to answer - all the losses were tough - but, I believe the payoff and return will be there, and it will be here soon.

It takes a hard approach - no nonsense - focus, determination, and passion. I think RR's got it. I think he's recruiting players that are willing to commit to this. And, most importantly, the results will show on the field.

So - if you want to intelligently discuss what RR, the staff, and the team should do - let's engage in a mature conversation. I think most people who post on the board regularly would enjoy and welcome it.

[Shauneyboy68]

@amanzinblue

Sure, discuss away. This is not the thread in which to do it.

OP asked a simple question - what are RR haters going to do or say if Mich posts a good record this year. In what seems to be a rarity here, I attempted to answer OP's question. That said, words are a powerful thing, and OP did not seem to choose his words very carefully, painting folks like myself, folks who are dissatisfied with RR's performance, with a rather wide brush. I was compelled by the baited nature of OP's question to write a baited response.

I'll restate the root of my answer in case it was lost on some of you: If RR wins 9 games, go blue.

I'm all for an intelligent debate, but what goes on here in this forum 90% of the time is not intelligence. It's some guy saying he's not happy with RR (and I don't understand how anyone could be... I just don't) and then everyone else jumping down guy's throat calling him a moron or a coward.

[CrazyMaize]

Shauneyboy,

I'd definitely count myself as an RR supporter - and, even before RR, I'm a supporter, fan, and alumnus of The University of Michigan. I am a very strong believer in accountability and responsibility, and I also believe that I have a realistic view of things I'm passionate about - and Michigan football is one of those things.

I always welcome an INTELLIGENT conversation on any topic, and this board serves as a great forum - with a primary purpose to discuss Michigan athletics, and football in particular.

Do I believe that RR is "perfect"? The answer is simply "no". Then again, is anyone "perfect"? The answer remains - a simple "no". We all have our strengths and our weaknesses - and, we all also have our perceptions, beliefs, and prejudices.

In my opinion, RR is a very solid coach - his strength is definitely on the Offensive side of the ball, and he's done what I felt was necessary (with the hire of GR) to focus on the D side of the ball. Now, if people wish to share an opinion or thoughts why they don't "care for" RR, that's fine by me - I would hope they could do so in an intelligent and mature manner.

Part of my job requires me to examine and understand "root causes" of problems before I propose recommendations or solutions to address them. And, again - in my opinion, Michigan football has been on a rather slow decline for a while. For how many years did we lose our first road game? For how many years have we been disappointed with the result of the OSU game? For how many years have we wished - "take your foot off the brake and hit the accelerator with this offensive talent"?

Certain elements of the program - S&C is the easiest and most obvious point - had fallen behind the times - that which is considered advanced or state of the art. The football players who excelled and developed while they were at Michigan over the last decade or more practiced with the Track team - the TRACK TEAM? Do you think this is the "premiere" way to train? Is that "leaders and best" in player development? You're entitled to your opinion - but, my opinion is "no, it's not". And, if you think about training - what is a secondary benefit aside the obvious increases in strength and condition - it's "unit cohesion" - a tightness - a family - within position and across the unit - if that's the O-line, or the offense. Just imagine if five offensive lineman are all working out 'separately' - versus those that are working out together - they could be doing benches, leg presses, squats, etc. - the exercise doesn't matter - it's being TOGETHER that's important - communicating effectively and efficiently - knowing in zone blocking who's going to do, how a blitz is being picked up, etc., etc.

As I've said before - the Michigan football program needed to be rebuilt - from the foundation up - at least that's what I felt was required to return the program to National Championship caliber - and, frankly, I don't think we've been at that level consistently since the 70's - an awesome decade, arguably the best for Michigan football. Has it been difficult to watch these past two seasons - you bet it has. Has it been tougher to watch than the loss to Appalachian State or the loss to Oregon, or almost annual losses to that school in Columbus? Honestly, that's a question that's hard to answer - all the losses were tough - but, I believe the payoff and return will be there, and it will be here soon.
It takes a hard approach - no nonsense - focus, determination, and passion. I think RR's got it. I think he's recruiting players that are willing to commit to this. And, most importantly, the results will show on the field. So - if you want to intelligently discuss what RR, the staff, and the team should do - let's engage in a mature conversation. I think most people who post on the board regularly would enjoy and welcome it.

I couldnt agree with u more

[1OSUNUT]

Funny how you guys let this happen anyway. Get back on topic. What will you bashers say IF he has a pretty solid winnig year? I'm yet to hear anyone man up to the question.

What do you consider pretty solid winning year ? Is beating the weak teams and losing to Iowa, PSU, OSU, UConn and Wisconsin going to be viewed as a sucess ? Is sucess going to be based only on the number of wins or the quality of the wins ? Is going 6-6 and losing to all the tough teams going to be looked at as progress. What is going to be used as the measuring stick for sucess ?

[Wolvrin704]

What do you consider pretty solid winning year ? Is beating the weak teams and losing to Iowa, PSU, OSU, UConn and Wisconsin going to be viewed as a sucess ? Is sucess going to be based only on the number of wins or the quality of the wins ? Is going 6-6 and losing to all the tough teams going to be looked at as progress. What is going to be used as the measuring stick for sucess ?

The title already says it, not only can you not spell you can't read.

[NorCal Buckeye]

@amanzinblue

Sure, discuss away. This is not the thread in which to do it.

OP asked a simple question - what are RR haters going to do or say if Mich posts a good record this year. In what seems to be a rarity here, I attempted to answer OP's question. That said, words are a powerful thing, and OP did not seem to choose his words very carefully, painting folks like myself, folks who are dissatisfied with RR's performance, with a rather wide brush. I was compelled by the baited nature of OP's question to write a baited response.

I'll restate the root of my answer in case it was lost on some of you: If RR wins 9 games, go blue.

I'm all for an intelligent debate, but what goes on here in this forum 90% of the time is not intelligence. It's some guy saying he's not happy with RR (and I don't understand how anyone could be... I just don't) and then everyone else jumping down guy's throat calling him a moron or a coward.

ShauneyBoy 68, the Kool-Aid addicts have just gutted and castrated discussion on this board. It is now nothing more than a thinly disguised Rich Rodriguez Fan Club. Post anything that is not PollyAnna about Rich or Blue and it gets deleted. Plus an infraction or other penalty meted out by the so-called moderators who are really nothing more than Rodriguez censors. This board used to rock with heartfelt convictions about the state of Michigan, Big Ten, and CFB. Now it's tiptoe through the tulips with TPILEWS.

I've followed this board since the day after Appalachia State. There used to be alot of posters who were opinionated and funny as hell. I even liked the OSU bashers, and there were some good ones too. Now they're all gone, because they couldn't speak without being blasted with first, insults from the RR groupies, and now second, the muzzle of the censor- moderators. Frankly, I'm appalled and disbelieving that Michigan fans could have such a nuetered, gelded forum.

Why can't the Michigan fans speak freely, and why can't Buckeye banter be handled with a better response than loud, pitiful wailing? You tell me.

[The Michigan Man]

You morons call those of us who critizie RichRod "bashers," as if there's nothing wrong with the program and we're all just pointing out flaws for no reason other than we're a part of some mysterious agenda. Maybe we're all bigoted towards Mexicans, or maybe we just can't stand the thought of someone at the helm of Michigan who's not from Michigan and doesn't have the last name Schembechler.

First of all, there's plenty of things wrong right now and RichRod deserves to be "bashed." If you guys would stop whistling for two seconds you'd see the graveyard off to your left.

That said, if Michigan posts a solid record next year, I'll be the first person to give credit where credit's due. I want to see Michigan succeed. Yes, that means I WANT to see RR succeed. However, just because I want the guy to succeed I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore the mounting pile of negitives. What you RR apologists are doing is something called DENIAL. Denial is a defense mechanisim used by COWARDS (my Sten Carlson reference) and the mentally ill to avoid facing a reality with which they are unable to cope.

You’re fairly new here, so I can appreciate your confusion at tone in this forum. This isn’t the place, for the most part, to intelligently discuss Michigan sports. It is basically a place to spar with trolls relentlessly, and occasionally squeeze in some sports talk. I liken this forum to that corner bar that you have grown accustomed to, even though it has gone downhill and is filled with loud mouthed drunken idiots who frequently spill their drinks on you and puke on your shoes – it’s a dive, but it’s my dive and I do like a lot of the UM barflies in here, so I keep coming back.

As far as RR, I support him because he is the coach of the program that I love. Prior to December of 2007, I knew little more about him than he was the HC at WV. At Michigan, he inherited a program in decline and disarray, taking over for Carr (nice guy, decent coach) who clearly had been left behind, overseeing an s & c program that belonged in the 50s, recruiting without any type of vision, losing to App St at home with a team loaded with NFL talent and #6 in the country, and throwing in the towel against tUOS, losing 6/7 to Tressel. If anyone was set up to fail, it was RR.

I support RR because he deserves a CHANCE. The first 2 years he has had to field ragtag combination of very young guys he recruited (most of whom had no business starting games and should have been redshirted) and leftover Carr guys that were inappropriate for the spread. RR deserves a chance to coach a Michigan team comprised of his own players.

If you are obsessed with instant gratification and cannot bear the pain of rebuilding, then sure, be simplistic and go after RR, call him a bad coach, etc. Pretend like he is this horrible, immoral, sinister monster because he oversees a program where the players were stretching an extra 20 minutes beyond the NCAA’s regulations and on a few occasions a coach dropped in on a practice that he shouldn’t have been at. Really, is that this big “pile of negatives” associated with RR?

Most of the RR supporters in here are far from being in denial. We aren’t thrilled about losing seasons, missed bowl games, and losses to rivals. But we all realize that pulling the plug too early is far more destructive than allowing RR to finish the job he was hired to do.

My patience is not unlimited. RR has enough of his players in place to win in 2010. RR needs to get UM to a bowl game this year. Anything less should result in an immediate firing after the season is over.

[NorCal Buckeye]

You’re fairly new here, so I can appreciate your confusion at tone in this forum. This isn’t the place, for the most part, to intelligently discuss Michigan sports. It is basically a place to spar with trolls relentlessly, and occasionally squeeze in some sports talk. I liken this forum to that corner bar that you have grown accustomed to, even though it has gone downhill and is filled with loud mouthed drunken idiots who frequently spill their drinks on you and puke on your shoes – it’s a dive, but it’s my dive and I do like a lot of the UM barflies in here, so I keep coming back.

As far as RR, I support him because he is the coach of the program that I love. Prior to December of 2007, I knew little more about him than he was the HC at WV. At Michigan, he inherited a program in decline and disarray, taking over for Carr (nice guy, decent coach) who clearly had been left behind, overseeing an s & c program that belonged in the 50s, recruiting without any type of vision, losing to App St at home with a team loaded with NFL talent and #6 in the country, and throwing in the towel against tUOS, losing 6/7 to Tressel. If anyone was set up to fail, it was RR.

I support RR because he deserves a CHANCE. The first 2 years he has had to field ragtag combination of very young guys he recruited (most of whom had no business starting games and should have been redshirted) and leftover Carr guys that were inappropriate for the spread. RR deserves a chance to coach a Michigan team comprised of his own players.

If you are obsessed with instant gratification and cannot bear the pain of rebuilding, then sure, be simplistic and go after RR, call him a bad coach, etc. Pretend like he is this horrible, immoral, sinister monster because he oversees a program where the players were stretching an extra 20 minutes beyond the NCAA’s regulations and on a few occasions a coach dropped in on a practice that he shouldn’t have been at. Really, is that this big “pile of negatives” associated with RR?

Most of the RR supporters in here are far from being in denial. We aren’t thrilled about losing seasons, missed bowl games, and losses to rivals. But we all realize that pulling the plug too early is far more destructive than allowing RR to finish the job he was hired to do.

My patience is not unlimited. RR has enough of his players in place to win in 2010. RR needs to get UM to a bowl game this year. Anything less should result in an immediate firing after the season is over.

By far the greatest preponderence of puke on this forum has been upchucked from your fellow Rodriguez groupies. By far. The insults I have witnessed here addressed from one Wolverine fan to another over Rodriguez have made even me, a long time Buckeye fan, CRINGE. The disrespect is appalling. It has made me wonder what the hell could be going on at Michigan Stadium if fans with feelings of antipathy such as revealed on this forum ran into each other, feeling their alcohol. I'm surprised news of beatings or murder haven't happened yet.

[The Michigan Man]

By far the greatest preponderence of puke on this forum has been upchucked from your fellow Rodriguez groupies. By far. The insults I have witnessed here addressed from one Wolverine fan to another over Rodriguez have made even me, a long time Buckeye fan, CRINGE. The disrespect is appalling. It has made me wonder what the hell could be going on at Michigan Stadium if fans with feelings of antipathy such as revealed on this forum ran into each other, feeling their alcohol. I'm surprised news of beatings or murder haven't happened yet.

Made you cringe? You're appalled? I have a solution: quit coming to this forum.

And I can say with 100% certainty that every Michigan fan at the Big House is cheering for Michigan. Nice try.

[NorCal Buckeye]

Made you cringe? You're appalled? I have a solution: quit coming to this forum.

And I can say with 100% certainty that every Michigan fan at the Big House is cheering for Michigan. Nice try.

May I suggest a better solution...tolerance and civility? Who knows what would happen if that could be practiced? Fans from other schools? Women fans?

They all might be cheering for Michigan, but I've seen threats of butt whippings from one Blue to another on this board. Couldn't believe it, I tell you, from fans of the Harvard of the Midwest. But I did see it.

[The Michigan Man]

May I suggest a better solution...tolerance and civility? Who knows what would happen if that could be practiced? Fans from other schools? Women fans?

They all might be cheering for Michigan, but I've seen threats of butt whippings from one Blue to another on this board. Couldn't believe it, I tell you, from fans of the Harvard of the Midwest. But I did see it.

Haha, you are a jokester! I've lived in Ohio and around tUOS fans long enough to assure you that the 1st thing that comes to mind when you mention a knuckle-dragging tUOS fanatic is not tolerance or civility.

Michigan fans have disagreed on various issues over the years: Carr vs Anti-Carr, RR vs. Anti-RR. But I've never seen anyone get upset or lose their temper. Michigan is indeed the Harvard of the West, and tUOS fans should take notes and attempt to emulate the conduct of their highly civilized fans.

After all, I'm in a much better position to speak of the state of Michigan fans, as I am actually a Michigan grad who keeps up with other alums. What is your affiliation with the university, beyond trolling a Michigan forum?

[NorCal Buckeye]

Haha, you are a jokester! I've lived in Ohio and around tUOS fans long enough to assure you that the 1st thing that comes to mind when you mention a knuckle-dragging tUOS fanatic is not tolerance or civility.

Michigan fans have disagreed on various issues over the years: Carr vs Anti-Carr, RR vs. Anti-RR. But I've never seen anyone get upset or lose their temper. Michigan is indeed the Harvard of the West, and tUOS fans should take notes and attempt to emulate the conduct of their highly civilized fans.

After all, I'm in a much better position to speak of the state of Michigan fans, as I am actually a Michigan grad who keeps up with other alums. What is your affiliation with the university, beyond trolling a Michigan forum?

This post takes the cake! If the vile, vicious, infantile insults posted on this board from one Blue fan to another could be publicly published the university would be shrouded in shame that would take a generation to forget. I haven't seen crap like this since junior high. Turning your blind eye does not change the facts about what has gone on here.

As for me being a card carrying Buckeye fan I explained all of that in a post to Plus 1 last fall. I don't feel compelled to repeat myself. I have a hunch I was following CFB long before you were even on earth.

Last, but not least, this is forum. Not a fan club. Public discussion and participation is invited and appropriate. What is it with these weinie crybabies and this wail of "trolling" all the time. Wah!wah! ?

[rickyleach]

you know what , i understand that we can put people on the ignore list, but come on , there is no EXCUSE to have certain individuals on this site with nothing more then total intent to piss people off, maybe i dont add a lot to this site but one thing is for sure ,i love michigan and will do anything to support them , but i have had enough of this trolling crap and will be looking for another site , i appreciate all that you rr fans and the ones that dont agree with rr and michigans direction, but hey as michigan fans we are all in it together , thanks again , i will check in from time to time to see what has changed on this site, as always GO BLUE.

[The Michigan Man]

This post takes the cake! If the vile, vicious, infantile insults posted on this board from one Blue fan to another could be publicly published the university would be shrouded in shame that would take a generation to forget. I haven't seen crap like this since junior high. Turning your blind eye does not change the facts about what has gone on here.

As for me being a card carrying Buckeye fan I explained all of that in a post to Plus 1 last fall. I don't feel compelled to repeat myself. I have a hunch I was following CFB long before you were even on earth.

Last, but not least, this is forum. Not a fan club. Public discussion and participation is invited and appropriate. What is it with these weinie crybabies and this wail of "trolling" all the time. Wah!wah! ?

Wah!Wah? Weren't you the one above who was whining about "tolerance" and "civility"?

And anyone that tells me that they are somehow in a superior position simply because they have done something longer is a joke. So you've been trolling and embarassing your university since before I was born, is that supposed to impress me?

[Rugdog]

According to another thread on this board, Michigan could win up to 9 games this year. On that point you can all argue until the cows come home.

What I would like to know is, what will all the RR bashers say if he does indeed go 9-3 in 2010, and what would you say about him if he went 12-0?

I intend to hear your opinions objectively, and remember them at the end of the 2010 season. I will then bring this thread back to the top to compare with the actual results (W-L) and your actual comments after, so don't just go spouting off. Give this some thought. I look forward to your responses

P.S. Please don't turn this into a thread about wether he will or will not win this many games... just what you will say if he does.

This is easy. I will be like, "I told you so." to all my Buckeye friends that for some UNKNOWN reason they want Coach Rod fired (Wierd isn't it? I'd want OSU to keep a coach that sucks). And all the haters on this board will be like, "It was a fluke, Rod still can't coach defense." Or something of that sort.

[The Michigan Man]

This is easy. I will be like, "I told you so." to all my Buckeye friends that for some UNKNOWN reason they want Coach Rod fired (Wierd isn't it? I'd want OSU to keep a coach that sucks). And all the haters on this board will be like, "It was a fluke, Rod still can't coach defense." Or something of that sort.

Yes, the tUOS trolls are genuinely concerned about the Michigan program so they want RR gone immediately so UM can hire a coach that will start beating them again. (I almost typed that without snickering)

[NorCal Buckeye]

Yes, the tUOS trolls are genuinely concerned about the Michigan program so they want RR gone immediately so UM can hire a coach that will start beating them again. (I almost typed that without snickering)

No, we want a coach who will show up with a winning record for the last game in November. And someone who will put more drama back into the game besides how wide the margin of victory will be for us. Geez, you've become about as boring as an Indiana or Minnesota game. And we don't want to wait until hell freezes over for him to get lucky and find a winning roster. For crying out loud, any amateur could have a winning team at Michigan if they just hire competent coordinators, recruiters, and stay out of their way. You have to be a lame duck who can't walk without tripping over your own dick having a losing team at Michigan. Come on!:D