Locked and loaded...

[NorCal Buckeye]

Just read the Rivals spring preview on OSU, confirming what all of us already know. The team is deep; locked and loaded, ready for a NC run.

Any thoughts on the few position battles in question, especially at the safeties? Losing Coleman is the only drop off I would predict. We're still solid everywhere else.

And to think, this team still is maybe a year away from their best. This ought to be a gooooood season!:D

[Wolvrin704]

On paper anyways.....injuries can always take their toll and decimate a team. I still think at some point OSU goes off the cliff and self implodes, I think its still a few years from happening but it will happen eventually.

As for next year, yes OSU is poised to make a run at the NC, but can they make it through a minefield of an improving B10? I think they are still the class of the conference but other teams are catching up, time will tell if they've done enough improvement to take them down. Doubtful but there is certainly a possibility. I see Iowa and Wiscy as the biggest rivals they have this year with PSU a distant 3rd rival. UM and MSU will improve but not nearly enough to seriously challenge. Why am I talking about the conference instead of the national landscape? Because as we all know it takes winning your conference battles to have a shot at the NC.

With all that said I think most observers will be interested to see how TP does. Does he improve upon his bowl game? I still think he is a better QB when he lots of time to prepare for a game, so he is better in bowl games than during the season. Just something I've noticed his first 2 years. If he can improve on the mental aspects of the game he could have a huge year.

[rickyleach]

this is why i use a condom, oh im sorry we are talking football, i get the biggest kick out of ohio state fans , WERE GONNA DO THIS AND WERE GONNA DO THAT , THEN YOU END UP 11 -2 OR 10 -3 OR MAYBE 9 -4 , AND GET BEAT IN YOUR BOWL GAME ..PRYOR THIS AND PRYOR THAT , THE SAME PRYOR YOU WILL BE BASHING BY THE 8TH GAME..

[NorCal Buckeye]

On paper anyways.....injuries can always take their toll and decimate a team. I still think at some point OSU goes off the cliff and self implodes, I think its still a few years from happening but it will happen eventually.

As for next year, yes OSU is poised to make a run at the NC, but can they make it through a minefield of an improving B10? I think they are still the class of the conference but other teams are catching up, time will tell if they've done enough improvement to take them down. Doubtful but there is certainly a possibility. I see Iowa and Wiscy as the biggest rivals they have this year with PSU a distant 3rd rival. UM and MSU will improve but not nearly enough to seriously challenge. Why am I talking about the conference instead of the national landscape? Because as we all know it takes winning your conference battles to have a shot at the NC.

With all that said I think most observers will be interested to see how TP does. Does he improve upon his bowl game? I still think he is a better QB when he lots of time to prepare for a game, so he is better in bowl games than during the season. Just something I've noticed his first 2 years. If he can improve on the mental aspects of the game he could have a huge year.

Don't hold your breath waiting for the self-implosion. As you should know Tressel has inked a contract extension through 2014 so that means it should be business as usual even after Pryor graduates. OSU should continue to be the gold standard for Big Ten football, and a elite CFB program for the foreseeable future. When the changing of the guard does occur I would speculate Fickell gets the HC job. Or they might try to bring in our man Pelini doing the great HC job at NE. In any case, there isn't reason for M to be optimistic until Rodriguez proves he knows what he is doing, or they bring in someone who does.

[1OSUNUT]

Do not expect a 2 or 3 loss season this year from Ohio State. While I think we have some holes to fill - the guys we have returning are going to be very very good. I want to see who fill the two spots vacated by Coleman and Gibson. We are deep at every position except QB (like most teams) and we may have a diamond in the ruff in Kenny Guiton. The nice surprise is the return of Tyler Moeller. If he returns in any way shape or form like he was - it will be a HUGE addition. He is not involved in any contact but I guess he is moving around so well that he might be moved to strong safety from linebacker. He will be the leading canidate to replace Coleman - along with Hines. That will give the Buckeyes several big hitters and sure tacklers in the secondary - which is important. The hard part will be replacing Gibson. The replacement will have to not only be a stong dominate end - but will be asked to rush the QB and drop into coverage. The leading canidate is Nate Williams - who is a physical freak. I absolutly love this defense and I expect them to be bigger and faster then last year. The linebackers will be simply AWESOME.

The word is that Pryor has come back with even more confidence and is running around at full speed - without a brace. That is pretty amazing since it has only been 7 weeks since his surgery. If the Buckeyes do not experience any injuries - this could be a special season.

[Wolvrin704]

Don't hold your breath waiting for the self-implosion. As you should know Tressel has inked a contract extension through 2014 so that means it should be business as usual even after Pryor graduates. OSU should continue to be the gold standard for Big Ten football, and a elite CFB program for the foreseeable future. When the changing of the guard does occur I would speculate Fickell gets the HC job. Or they might try to bring in our man Pelini doing the great HC job at NE. In any case, there isn't reason for M to be optimistic until Rodriguez proves he knows what he is doing, or they bring in someone who does.

Follow me here....just about every coach goes through a down period, especiallyas they age. Just by the law of averages its bound to happen to Tressel as well. You can't deny that the possibilty exists or that it can't happen at OSU, to do so just shows who the true kool-aid drinkers are.

[Wolvrin704]

Do not expect a 2 or 3 loss season this year from Ohio State. While I think we have some holes to fill - the guys we have returning are going to be very very good. I want to see who fill the two spots vacated by Coleman and Gibson. We are deep at every position except QB (like most teams) and we may have a diamond in the ruff in Kenny Guiton. The nice surprise is the return of Tyler Moeller. If he returns in any way shape or form like he was - it will be a HUGE addition. He is not involved in any contact but I guess he is moving around so well that he might be moved to strong safety from linebacker. He will be the leading canidate to replace Coleman - along with Hines. That will give the Buckeyes several big hitters and sure tacklers in the secondary - which is important. The hard part will be replacing Gibson. The replacement will have to not only be a stong dominate end - but will be asked to rush the QB and drop into coverage. The leading canidate is Nate Williams - who is a physical freak. I absolutly love this defense and I expect them to be bigger and faster then last year. The linebackers will be simply AWESOME.

The word is that Pryor has come back with even more confidence and is running around at full speed - without a brace. That is pretty amazing since it has only been 7 weeks since his surgery. If the Buckeyes do not experience any injuries - this could be a special season.

Why is it whenever you discuss any Buckeye players injury they are always coming back quicker and stronger? You sound like an infomercial spokesman.

Hey I know Nate Williams, he's a supervisor where I work....oh wait, different guy. But the one I know could easily break most people regardless.

[1OSUNUT]

It has been reported all over Ohio news how well TP is moving around and how confident he appears in comparison to last spring. The knee was a bother to him from the New Mexico game on - but he played through it. Now he is able to run at full speed - pain free. That in itself is a scary thought when you look at the damage he did on one leg.

Sure every team has ups and downs - but the Buckeyes down season is still better then most schools. Last year Ohio State had to replace many key parts and it was predicted that they would faulter - all they did was win the Big Ten and a BCS bowl. The Buckeyes have plenty of depth and the outstanding classes of the last few years are just now getting up to full speed - the future is bright. We have had to struggle through (if you want to call it that) TP's last two years and now he is poised to explode as a legit Hiesman canidate. How many schools would like to break in a QB and still win back to back conference titles and BCS appearences. The funny thing is that the Buckeyes have gone through what many thought would be the DOWN portion and they did not drop off much. I think this years team will be one of Tressel's best since he has been in Columbus.

[NorCal Buckeye]

Follow me here....just about every coach goes through a down period, especiallyas they age. Just by the law of averages its bound to happen to Tressel as well. You can't deny that the possibilty exists or that it can't happen at OSU, to do so just shows who the true kool-aid drinkers are.

I don't really mean to dash your dreams, but OSU just does not lose very many football games. Here are some stats from BuckeyeFansOnly.com -

Last losing season 1988 4-6-1

Prior last losing season 1966 4-5

Last consecutive losing seasons 1922/23/24 2-3/3-4/3-4 (Only time in OSU history for consecutive losing seasons).

Top ranked #1 team in all of CFB with highest winning percentage over the last 95 years - OSU .73598 (ND #2, UM #4).

My beverage of choice is espresso, not Kool-Aid. There will be no appreciable drop-off when Tressel retires. There never has been when any OSU coach has been replaced. Never, ever. And there won't be any this time either.

Every other great CFB program has gone through a drought in performance sometime in the NC era; OK, ND, USC, AL, NE, Miami, FSU, and now your turn, UM. But OSU hasn't. That is why we are and always will be the greatest CFB program in the country.

Go Buckeyes!:D

[The Michigan Man]

In any case, there isn't reason for M to be optimistic until Rodriguez proves he knows what he is doing, or they bring in someone who does.

Gee, I was feeling optimistic, but since a troll told me there was no reason for optimism, my mood suddenly changed and I am no longer optimistic. I contacted Brandon and am starting a petition to cancel UM’s football season this year and possibly next year.

2012 will be kick ass – I will remain optimistic until a troll tells me that I no longer have a reason to be so


That in itself is a scary thought when you look at the damage he did on one leg.


Come on, one leg? The guy never limped once the entire season.


The funny thing is that the Buckeyes have gone through what many thought would be the DOWN portion and they did not drop off much.

Exactly who was expecting down years with the 10* QB of the century recruit and consistent top 5 classes?


My beverage of choice is espresso, not Kool-Aid.

Espresso? A fancy one, aren’t we?

[1OSUNUT]

Michigan Man-

It seems to me that last year many of you were making claims that Ohio State would loss 4 games - maybe more. I think you guys said we lost two NFL linebackers, Beanie Wells, Brian Hartline and Brian Robiski and that the loss of talent would finally catch up to Ohio State. Well all they did was win the Big TEn and beat Oregon in The Rose Bowl - last year was our rebuilding year. Sure you should be excited and optimistic about Michigan football - but also be realistic. Last year you guys started off 5-0 and you guys were chirping about Tate being a Heisman canidate and going unbeaten. I think Michigan football is still in trouble and that this year is going to be incredibly important to RR's future in AA. While Michigan fans keep saying "give our guys time" - Ohio State is bringing in young guys, teaching them their system and winning championships.

Do I think Ohio State is the greatest program in the history of the world like NorCal - no. But according to ESPN's ratings Ohio State is one of the top programs - period, ahead of Michigan. I know every game counts but Michigan did accumulate many of it's wins and all of it's championships in the leather helmet era - it's just a fact. Since 1997 Michigan has really not been a factor in the NC conversation (with the exception of 2006, maybe). They have been a very solid program - but nothing overly special.

I don't think Michigan will or should cancel their season - because anything can happen. If any of us knew for sure what would happen this year - we would be moving to Vegas. I just think Michigan is a season or so away before they are a legit Big Ten contender. I could be wrong - we will see soon.

[NorCal Buckeye]

Michigan Man-

It seems to me that last year many of you were making claims that Ohio State would loss 4 games - maybe more. I think you guys said we lost two NFL linebackers, Beanie Wells, Brian Hartline and Brian Robiski and that the loss of talent would finally catch up to Ohio State. Well all they did was win the Big TEn and beat Oregon in The Rose Bowl - last year was our rebuilding year. Sure you should be excited and optimistic about Michigan football - but also be realistic. Last year you guys started off 5-0 and you guys were chirping about Tate being a Heisman canidate and going unbeaten. I think Michigan football is still in trouble and that this year is going to be incredibly important to RR's future in AA. While Michigan fans keep saying "give our guys time" - Ohio State is bringing in young guys, teaching them their system and winning championships.

Do I think Ohio State is the greatest program in the history of the world like NorCal - no. But according to ESPN's ratings Ohio State is one of the top programs - period, ahead of Michigan. I know every game counts but Michigan did accumulate many of it's wins and all of it's championships in the leather helmet era - it's just a fact. Since 1997 Michigan has really not been a factor in the NC conversation (with the exception of 2006, maybe). They have been a very solid program - but nothing overly special.

I don't think Michigan will or should cancel their season - because anything can happen. If any of us knew for sure what would happen this year - we would be moving to Vegas. I just think Michigan is a season or so away before they are a legit Big Ten contender. I could be wrong - we will see soon.

Nut, if OSU isn't the greatest CFB program in the country, who the hell is? Somebody has to be. Checking all of the accomplishments of the program over the years gives us a claim to the top about as good or better than anyone else. And these BlueBallers are definitely breathing our dust.

As for last year, a rebuilding year, two games we should not have lost and we go unbeaten and back into the title game. Nobody, and I say nobody, has been a better model for consistent excellence over the decades than Ohio State. OSU rules!

[Wolvrin704]

I would respond to all the disinformation but we've been down this road so many times before and you guys continue to spew the same refuse. So good for you guys on being fans of one of the greatest CFB programs, what a great accomplishment. Do you guys list it in your accomplishments on your resume? Are you going to have it engraved on your tombstone? "They were a better person because they were a Buckeye fan" or "The Buckeyes owe some of their success to the brave accomplishments of this fan by keeping UM fans in check on a UM forum". You guys just rock! <sarcasm>

[1OSUNUT]

NorCal -

This is the last time I will post this. This is the ESPN rankings for prestige.

1. Oklahoma Sooners
Total points: 1,968
Positives: When you look at the big picture of college football since 1936, no program has achieved greatness as consistently as Oklahoma. We didn't even count the fact that Oklahoma owns the longest win streak in FBS history (47) or leads the nation with a .765 winning percentage since World War II. The 1956 Oklahoma team catapulted the Sooners past Notre Dame to the top of the Prestige Rankings, and it's been in the top spot ever since. OU's seven national titles have spanned four decades. The Sooners have finished in the final poll's top 5 an astounding 29 times. But the real fuel for OU's rise to the top of our rankings has been its conference dominance. The Sooners finished the regular season with at least a share of their conference's best record a stunning 39 times, seven more than any other program in the country.
Negatives: Oklahoma was downright mediocre in the '90s. The Sooners ranked 51st in that decade's rankings, directly behind Hawaii. OU also didn't have a single major bowl win and suffered through three losing seasons. The Oklahoma program also has been punished by the NCAA to varying degrees six separate times in its history.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 1st | 1968: 1st | 1978: 1st | 1988: 1st | 1998: 1st
Did you know? Oklahoma has been voted the No. 1 team in the country by the AP a record 97 times, including twice this past season to break a tie with Notre Dame.


2. USC Trojans
Total points: 1,897
Positives: With 513 points in 11 seasons (almost 100 more than its nearest competitor), the Trojans have been the undisputed king of the BCS era. USC's special 2004 season accounted for 118 points, which is one point shy of '93 Florida State's Prestige Rankings season record. It has enjoyed the services of an astounding 17 consensus All-Americans in the last seven seasons. USC has finished in the top 3 in annual Prestige Points in each of those seven seasons. USC also is the top-scoring program in the 1970s and is tied with Notre Dame and Ohio State for the most all-time Heisman winners with seven.
Negatives: It's amazing how USC's recent success has overshadowed its mediocrity in the 1990s. The Trojans didn't enjoy a single 10-win season between 1989 and 2001. It is barely over .500 (37-35) in the last five years of that stretch before Pete Carroll came to town. If you look at just the '90s, USC has fewer Prestige Points than schools like Syracuse, Wisconsin and BYU. USC was also docked for minus-29 points on our probation scoring system.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 8th | 1968: 5th | 1978: 3rd | 1988: 3rd | 1998: 5th
Did you know? If you altered our points system such that it did not include any points for best conference records or conference title game bonuses, USC would edge Oklahoma for the top spot by 11 points.


3. Ohio State Buckeyes
Total points: 1,655
Positives: Dripping with football tradition, Ohio State has been a fixture in the Prestige Rankings for the past half-century. In 1968-69, the Buckeyes racked up 190 points alone. As a point of reference, that's more than the highly successful Boise State program has earned in the last decade combined. OSU is the No. 5 program in the 1970s, and it could have been much higher had it not been for its "Ten-Year War" with Michigan during that time. Even for all the flack that John Cooper received for his 2-10-1 record against Michigan, he is responsible for a boatload of NFL 1st-round draft picks. The recent knock on OSU has been its failure to win the big bowl games, but that hasn't stopped them from finishing in the top 5 in all but two of the last seven seasons. Plus, the five-time national champions should like their spot in the Prestige Rankings ahead of their longtime rival to the north.
Negatives: The Buckeyes would have been a threat for the top spot in our rankings if not for the lack of dominating seasons in the '80s after Woody Hayes was fired. And if they had been able to knock off Florida and LSU in the two recent BCS National Championship Games, the Buckeyes would have really been nipping at USC's heels for the BCS-era crown.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 5th | 1968: 6th | 1978: 6th | 1988: 6th | 1998: 6th
Did you know? Ohio State has just five losing seasons since 1936 (and just two since 1960). That's the fewest among any program that's been around that long.


4. Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Total points: 1,579
Positives: A true blue blood of the sport, Notre Dame is synonymous with college football. The Fighting Irish won four national titles in a seven-year span in the '40s. The Golden Domers had another golden era in the '70s, when a national-high 18 consensus All-Americans helped them win it all two more times. Notre Dame was also the early dominator in our Prestige Rankings through 1955. The next season was a historic one, with ND's Paul Hornung winning the Heisman Trophy despite being on a 2-8 Irish squad. Notre Dame is still the all-time leader in consensus All-Americans with 77.
Negatives: Notre Dame haters would be quick to notice that the Irish earned almost a third of their Prestige Points before 1950. Of course, Notre Dame's recent struggles have been well documented, but we have to continue to pile it on here. ND has just one bowl win since 1994. Since 2000, Notre Dame has a third of the first-round draft picks that Boston College has (2 to 6). And since 1998, Notre Dame ranks 30th in the country, behind four non-BCS schools and both Oregon teams.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 2nd | 1968: 2nd | 1978: 2nd | 1988: 4th | 1998: 2nd
Did you know? Since 1995, Notre Dame has fewer consensus All-Americans than Northwestern.


5. Nebraska Cornhuskers
Total points: 1,553
Positives: Nebraska has five national titles, including two sets of back-to-back titles (1970-71, 1994-95). They followed up the 1994-95 titles with a shared title in 1997. The Huskers also have enjoyed the services of three Heisman winners: RB Johnny Rodgers (1972), RB Mike Rozier (1983) and QB Eric Crouch (2001). Nebraska ranks in the top five in numerous categories such as major bowl appearances (30, T-2nd), 10-win seasons (23, 3rd), bowl appearances (45, 4th), conference titles (26, T-4th), weeks at AP No. 1 (70, 5th) and major bowl wins (14, 5th).
Negatives: Nebraska isn't among the elite in the first three decades of the AP poll era. The Huskers are in 35th place in the Prestige Rankings when the 1950s began. Things didn't turn around quickly after that either. In fact, Nebraska had 17 losing seasons in a 21-season span between 1941 and 1961. More recently, Nebraska has produced only two first-round picks this decade, while finishing the season unranked in four of its last five seasons.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 49th | 1968: 23rd | 1978: 8th | 1988: 7th | 1998: 4th
Did you know? Nebraska had a record 35 consecutive bowl appearances from 1969 to 2003. The longest current bowl-appearance streak belongs to Florida State, which has 27.

[NorCal Buckeye]

I would respond to all the disinformation but we've been down this road so many times before and you guys continue to spew the same refuse. So good for you guys on being fans of one of the greatest CFB programs, what a great accomplishment. Do you guys list it in your accomplishments on your resume? Are you going to have it engraved on your tombstone? "They were a better person because they were a Buckeye fan" or "The Buckeyes owe some of their success to the brave accomplishments of this fan by keeping UM fans in check on a UM forum". You guys just rock! <sarcasm>

You're the one who started this branch on the thread saying OSU had to be due for a "down period", and that if we didn't think it could happen to OSU we had to be Kool-Aid drinkers ourselves. That statement of misinformation led me to check and see if my ancient memory served me correct...there hasn't been a "down period" in OSU CFB history since the mid-1920s. The closest thing we've had to a "down period" was Cooper's .700+% winning percentage years.

That what I say sets OSU above all the rest, the almost 90 years of football excellence without a drought. All the other big time programs have gone through a decade long drought of subpar performance. OSU hasn't, ever. The same could be said of M, but you are in real danger of blowing it with the two consecutive losing seasons and a real danger of a third. Then if RR gets fired and more turmoil, disruption ensues you could be in for several years of subpar performance. And fall by the wayside, while OSU marches on, to more greatness with another NC or two a realistic possibility in the next two years.

So don't try to tell a Buckeye fan that they're in for a downfall. It hasn't happened in a very, very long time.

Locked, and loaded. Go Buckeyes!

[The Michigan Man]

Michigan Man-

It seems to me that last year many of you were making claims that Ohio State would loss 4 games - maybe more. I think you guys said we lost two NFL linebackers, Beanie Wells, Brian Hartline and Brian Robiski and that the loss of talent would finally catch up to Ohio State. Well all they did was win the Big TEn and beat Oregon in The Rose Bowl - last year was our rebuilding year.


I think you forget that I live in the Cleveland area, and listen to talk radio. After the USC and Purdue losses, there was a log of anger and disbelief among tUOS nation. tUOS fans lamented losing NFL LBs, Beanie, WRs, etc., spoke horribly about TP, questioned if JT still had it. So please, while you may have had absolute belief that the season would turn around after Purdue, a hell of a lot of your comrades didn't.



Sure you should be excited and optimistic about Michigan football - but also be realistic. Last year you guys started off 5-0 and you guys were chirping about Tate being a Heisman candidate and going unbeaten. I think Michigan football is still in trouble and that this year is going to be incredibly important to RR's future in AA. While Michigan fans keep saying "give our guys time" - Ohio State is bringing in young guys, teaching them their system and winning championships.


Of course everyone got excited about a 5-0 start. But there is only so far that a 19 year old QB on a rebuilding team with a defense under their 3rd DC in 3 years can go. I think many speculated that Tate could be a Heisman candidate, but even the most fanatic Wolverine fan didn't honestly believe he was going to be in that discussion last year.

Who are these young kids tUOS is supposedly brining in to run the system? The roster is mostly juniors and seniors, with a few freshmen and sophomores. Have JT play only his freshmen and sophomores next season and let’s see how well they do. There is a reason that the young guys usually only see special teams or mop up duty against creampuffs.

The problem with RR is that he didn’t have the appropriate personnel to run his system the past 2 years. By appropriate, I mean kids built to run the spread AND with experience running the spread. This year there should be enough UM players that have the skill-set and experience to perform at a higher level to win football games - hence, the optimism that we UM fans have the audacity to feel.


The same could be said of M, but you are in real danger of blowing it with the two consecutive losing seasons and a real danger of a third. Then if RR gets fired and more turmoil, disruption ensues you could be in for several years of subpar performance.

I thought that RR getting fired would save the program and the rivalry and that’s why you so relentlessly (desperately) rant about firing him. Now, you are speculating that firing him would send the program into turmoil and disruption? Haha, I think you accidentally revealed your true thoughts.

[Wolvrin704]

You're the one who started this branch on the thread saying OSU had to be due for a "down period", and that if we didn't think it could happen to OSU we had to be Kool-Aid drinkers ourselves. That statement of misinformation led me to check and see if my ancient memory served me correct...there hasn't been a "down period" in OSU CFB history since the mid-1920s. The closest thing we've had to a "down period" was Cooper's .700+% winning percentage years.

That what I say sets OSU above all the rest, the almost 90 years of football excellence without a drought. All the other big time programs have gone through a decade long drought of subpar performance. OSU hasn't, ever. The same could be said of M, but you are in real danger of blowing it with the two consecutive losing seasons and a real danger of a third. Then if RR gets fired and more turmoil, disruption ensues you could be in for several years of subpar performance. And fall by the wayside, while OSU marches on, to more greatness with another NC or two a realistic possibility in the next two years.

So don't try to tell a Buckeye fan that they're in for a downfall. It hasn't happened in a very, very long time.

Locked, and loaded. Go Buckeyes!

I merely stated what EVERY program goes through it sooner or later. I love your contention that OSU doesn't have any down periods...

1999
1988
1987
1967
1966
1963
1962
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1950-1953
1947
1946
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1940
1938

Thats far enough back I guess. All these seasons had 6 or less wins and I left out a few single seasons with 6 or less. Several times of back to back seasons of 6 or less wins as well which is as far back as UM's drought goes. Even the 2 schools listed above OSU in the prestige rankings have had some prolonged droughts but are still ahead of OSU. You wanna talk about prolonged sucess...UM was in over 30+ bowls and over 40 straight winning seasons. Sure that is over now but you want to bash us because we don't recognize your teams superiority and on the same hand dismiss UM's success.

[1OSUNUT]

Did you know? Ohio State has just five losing seasons since 1936 (and just two since 1960). That's the fewest among any program that's been around that long.

This is according to ESPN. They could be wrong.

[NorCal Buckeye]

I merely stated what EVERY program goes through it sooner or later. I love your contention that OSU doesn't have any down periods...

1999
1988
1987
1967
1966
1963
1962
1959
1950-1953
1947
1946
1943
1940
1938

Thats far enough back I guess. All these seasons had 6 or less wins and I left out a few single seasons with 6 or less. Several times of back to back seasons of 6 or less wins as well which is as far back as UM's drought goes. Even the 2 schools listed above OSU in the prestige rankings have had some prolonged droughts but are still ahead of OSU. You wanna talk about prolonged sucess...UM was in over 30+ bowls and over 40 straight winning seasons. Sure that is over now but you want to bash us because we don't recognize your teams superiority and on the same hand dismiss UM's success.

I haven't bashed M, I've bashed the _________ who has himself bashed your program's prestige.

I've said time and again M has been a worthy opponent and we are going to miss you as such.

I've been putting the spotlight on OSU's achievements because someone has to defend them for all of the dissing and misinformation that goes around about them on this board.

[rickyleach]

nut, pryor for hiesman , based on what , one win against oregon team, i have said it 100 times he is not a good qb and never will be .. keep dreaming boys because sidearm trell is not going to rescue you , the guy is a joke and has the iq of a lampshade

[1OSUNUT]

Just like Turner would not be the POY - right. You have Tebow, Bradford and McCoy all gone. Unless they are upset TP will be the leader on the #1 or #2 team in the nation. He will but up gaudy dual threat numbers this year with the WR's we have and his ability to run. Remember most QB's do not explode untill their Junior season - well TP already has two years experience. The game will slow down for him and he is going to be familar with all the skill players around him this year. There is no reason to think that TP will not average 300 or more yards a game in combined rushing and passing yards. He will be the face of The Ohio State Buckeyes this year and that alone will put him in New York.

[NorCal Buckeye]

Did you know? Ohio State has just five losing seasons since 1936 (and just two since 1960). That's the fewest among any program that's been around that long.

This is according to ESPN. They could be wrong.

No, Nut, they are right. I've got an OSU history report to refer to for facts and figures. Did you know that OSU players have won more major individual trophies than ANY other CFB program by a SIGNIFICANT MARGIN? Here's the scoop...OSU 34 OK 26. The top five awards (Heisman, Lombardi, Maxwell, Outland, Walter Camp) OSU 25 ND 23. Only program with two Heismans, AND two Lombardis (Orlando Pace).

UM fans like to diss on how "dumb" OSU players are, but in reality we are second only to Nebraska in National Scholar-Athlete Awards, NE 20 OSU 18. Professional quality player development? OSU second only to USC in NFL first rounders (by 1).

Has anyone ever done a decade by decade boxscore on OSU vs UM? I don't know this for a fact, but I would predict that in the NC era we own them, even though they have given us fits with more upsets than I care to remember.

[Wolvrin704]

I haven't bashed M, I've bashed the _________ who has himself bashed your program's prestige.

I've said time and again M has been a worthy opponent and we are going to miss you as such.

I've been putting the spotlight on OSU's achievements because someone has to defend them for all of the dissing and misinformation that goes around about them on this board.

I believe the 50 gazillion posts you have made about OSU being the greatest CFB program in the country should be sufficient to have opened everyones eyes. You have bashed further back than just RR so stop trying to push that fallacy. BTW, misinformation is a 2 way street and I have seen just as much spew forth from you guys even about OSU not to mention UM and other programs.

I also love how you only like to use numbers and facts in the NC era. Just for the record......UM vs OSU since 1936 is 35-35-4. So much for your prediction of ownage. :rolleyes:

Can't wait to see you guys proved wrong about RR.

[amazinblue]

"We've got some experience, but the depth is going to be critical. The young guys are really going to have to come on fast. They've got to learn a lot, they've got to learn the defense. We were fortunate last year we had a lot of older guys in the two-deep."

I love the fact that NorCal, Nut, Don, Bullet, and others think that OSU is "locked and loaded" for the upcoming season - and, of course, a 13-0 record awaits. Do any of you think that you're examing the Buckeyes through Scarlet colored glasses?

If you read the quote above - you'll see that OSU's DC Heacock doesn't share that same perception that you do. Perhaps you guys should sit down with him and enlighten him.

[NorCal Buckeye]

I believe the 50 gazillion posts you have made about OSU being the greatest CFB program in the country should be sufficient to have opened everyones eyes. You have bashed further back than just RR so stop trying to push that fallacy. BTW, misinformation is a 2 way street and I have seen just as much spew forth from you guys even about OSU not to mention UM and other programs.

I also love how you only like to use numbers and facts in the NC era. Just for the record......UM vs OSU since 1936 is 35-35-4. So much for your prediction of ownage. :rolleyes:

Can't wait to see you guys proved wrong about RR.

Changing the topic of the thread...what do you mean by "proved wrong"? Would we be proved wrong if RR manages to eke out winning 7-5 seasons starting this year? Or proved wrong if RR takes M to elite status again? I say it's the latter, not the former.

Anybody should be able to coach winning seasons at M. Where the going gets tough is making it to elite (top 5) status. I say RR will not get you to elite status. He may get you winning seasons, but BFD.

Even his best ever, ever, ever team at WVU was only 12-2, once. That team could not have beaten our rebuilding year team that went to the BCS game. So how do you guys think you're ever going to surpass OSU with him running the show?

[tpilews]

Why is it whenever you discuss any Buckeye players injury they are always coming back quicker and stronger? You sound like an infomercial spokesman.

Hey I know Nate Williams, he's a supervisor where I work....oh wait, different guy. But the one I know could easily break most people regardless.

In 10 years, every player on tuos will be 7'5", weigh 350 lbs, and run 4.2 in the 40.

[NorCal Buckeye]

In 10 years, every player on tuos will be 7'5", weigh 350 lbs, and run 4.2 in the 40.

No need for that, it would be overkill. We already own you guys, why change anything? LOL!:D

[cartyboi]

It'll be exciting until you have another disappointing performance against a lackluster team and everybody will make fun of Terrelle Pryor and question Jim Tressel's coaching style. And then you will beat a couple shit teams in a row and we Michigan fans will have to listen to how "OSU is back and on top of the world." History repeats itself rapidly on this forum.

[NorCal Buckeye]

It'll be exciting until you have another disappointing performance against a lackluster team and everybody will make fun of Terrelle Pryor and question Jim Tressel's coaching style. And then you will beat a couple shit teams in a row and we Michigan fans will have to listen to how "OSU is back and on top of the world." History repeats itself rapidly on this forum.

LOL, and which couple of "shit teams" would that be...have any one in mind? I could think of a few real easy, the ones at the bottom of the conference standings maybe? LOL!:D

[cartyboi]

USC. How did they end up doing last season? Then you beat Toledo and Indiana and Illinois... And soon laid an egg against Purdue.. only to beat New Mexico State and Minnesota before you felt on top of the world again. Wait till next season when the same happens. Hopefully you lose every game or go undefeated next year so we don't have to deal with your emotional bipolarism all year. LOL

[Wolvrin704]

Changing the topic of the thread...what do you mean by "proved wrong"? Would we be proved wrong if RR manages to eke out winning 7-5 seasons starting this year? Or proved wrong if RR takes M to elite status again? I say it's the latter, not the former.

Anybody should be able to coach winning seasons at M. Where the going gets tough is making it to elite (top 5) status. I say RR will not get you to elite status. He may get you winning seasons, but BFD.

Even his best ever, ever, ever team at WVU was only 12-2, once. That team could not have beaten our rebuilding year team that went to the BCS game. So how do you guys think you're ever going to surpass OSU with him running the show?

Proved wrong? Well thats easy enough to quantify since I say you guys are proved wrong and none of you even think he can get a winning record let alone beat OSU, MSU, PSU, Iowa, B10 or a NC let alone anything else. So in that context doing any of the aforementioned items and having a winning record should do the trick. Now were he to do as I and many others predict and begin building on that until UM is in the hunt for a NC within the next 3 years that would be icing on the cake.

Apparently you missed that in 2005 WVU went 11-1, not 12-2. It is so easy to prove you wrong almost on a daily basis since you have such a bad habit of not looking up facts that you post. BTW, that team beat an SEC team in their BCS bowl game that year, Georgia, something OSU has been incapable of doing so I wouldn't brag that they could not beat a rebuilding OSU. The old days of powerhouse programs are long over.

[The Michigan Man]

Just like Turner would not be the POY - right. You have Tebow, Bradford and McCoy all gone. Unless they are upset TP will be the leader on the #1 or #2 team in the nation. He will but up gaudy dual threat numbers this year with the WR's we have and his ability to run. Remember most QB's do not explode untill their Junior season - well TP already has two years experience. The game will slow down for him and he is going to be familar with all the skill players around him this year. There is no reason to think that TP will not average 300 or more yards a game in combined rushing and passing yards. He will be the face of The Ohio State Buckeyes this year and that alone will put him in New York.

I recall that you also predicted that TP would be mentioned for the Heisman and also the Big 10 O-POY last year - so I wouldn't start comparing myself to Nostradomus yet if I were you.

I would step back from looking at Oregon as a "coming out" party for TP. Remember, JT kept the ball out of his hands during pivotal moments in key regular season series against teams like Iowa. JT had a month to prepare TP for Oregon, and it showed. Mentally, I don't think that TP had (has?) the football mind to absorb enough in the film room in a only week to pull a solid performance off week by week. Recall his comments about Michael Vick, we're not talking about a genius here - I'm guessing he is spoon fed as much as possible by JT and then they keep their fingers crossed that his athleticism and instinctive running improvisation will overcome his poor throwing mechanics and decision making.

[rickyleach]

ohio state is going to win every game just like the bball team was going to the final4 , you are basing all of your success on the oregon game and forget they pretty much lost the game on a few selfinflicted mistakes , you know the roll call for the year is WERE GONNA DO THIS AND WERE GONNA DO THAT AND WE STILL HAVE ZOOM AND BABOON IN THE BACKFIELD , AND THEN YOU FALL ON YOUR ASS AND SCRATCH OUT THE BIG10 AND GET BEAT IN THE BOWL GAME..

[amazinblue]

"We've got some experience, but the depth is going to be critical. The young guys are really going to have to come on fast. They've got to learn a lot, they've got to learn the defense. We were fortunate last year we had a lot of older guys in the two-deep." a quote from OSU's DC Jim Heacock .

NorCal, Nut, and other Buckeyes - I find it quite interesting that NONE of you are willing to challenge what Heacock has said. Apparently, you agree with him...

[NorCal Buckeye]

Proved wrong? Well thats easy enough to quantify since I say you guys are proved wrong and none of you even think he can get a winning record let alone beat OSU, MSU, PSU, Iowa, B10 or a NC let alone anything else. So in that context doing any of the aforementioned items and having a winning record should do the trick. Now were he to do as I and many others predict and begin building on that until UM is in the hunt for a NC within the next 3 years that would be icing on the cake.

Apparently you missed that in 2005 WVU went 11-1, not 12-2. It is so easy to prove you wrong almost on a daily basis since you have such a bad habit of not looking up facts that you post. BTW, that team beat an SEC team in their BCS bowl game that year, Georgia, something OSU has been incapable of doing so I wouldn't brag that they could not beat a rebuilding OSU. The old days of powerhouse programs are long over.

LOL...

No, 704. Rodriguez has to do better than Carr did in order to have made the investment ($$$$, consecutive losing seasons, fan alienation, bowl streak broken, bad records broken, NCAA investigation/sanctions, humiliating losses to IL/OSU/PSU/TOLEDO/ETC) in him worthwhile.

With how much he has cost your program so far, I would say that one NC would be a push, he needs to give you two NCs to have made it all worthwhile. Just returning to winning seasons at M isn't good enough, that is why Carr was forced into an early retirement. Rodriguez has to deliver the crown jewel of CFB, the crystal football. I say it ain't gonna happen, the guy is too much of a yo-yo.

Now back to the real topic of this thread...OSU being loaded. Good article in paper today about OSU defense getting ready for 2010. They say they want to do better than they have done in the recent past, that there is still room for improvement. Results of the recent past...? Last six years national ranking; #1 scoring defense, #3 total defense, and #4 rushing defense. It's alot easier to win football games when you don't let the other team score very many points. Tell that to your coaching staff.

[NorCal Buckeye]

NorCal, Nut, and other Buckeyes - I find it quite interesting that NONE of you are willing to challenge what Heacock has said. Apparently, you agree with him...

Relax, Amazin. He's only talking about a few newbies on the D. The OSU D is going to be just fine this year, as usual. The only performance drop-off may be at Coleman's position. But not a whole lot. Hell, there's even talk about this group doing better than ever, that's how confident they are about their ability to come on and do the job. Your team's D is the one this quote really applies to. It is quite likely going to get Rodriguez and Robinson fired after this year, that is how screwed up they are, and proof of what a botched up job RR has done managing your program. Neglecting the D got the offensive genius at ND fired, same will happen to RR.

[The Michigan Man]

Relax, Amazin. He's only talking about a few newbies on the D. The OSU D is going to be just fine this year, as usual. The only performance drop-off may be at Coleman's position. But not a whole lot. Hell, there's even talk about this group doing better than ever, that's how confident they are about their ability to come on and do the job. Your team's D is the one this quote really applies to. It is quite likely going to get Rodriguez and Robinson fired after this year, that is how screwed up they are, and proof of what a botched up job RR has done managing your program. Neglecting the D got the offensive genius at ND fired, same will happen to RR.

Yes, because as we've established over and over, in Troll-land, players in UM will never improve, mature, or benefit from experience in the defensive system. UM will forever be suspended in 2009 - oh, the humanity.

[amazinblue]

Relax, Amazin. He's only talking about a few newbies on the D...

NorCal,

I'm glad you have such confidence. I didn't gather from Heacock's remarks that he felt the same way - but, if you're so sure - enjoy....

And - regarding RR and GR - I think the Michigan D will make significant strides this season - and the O will surprise a lot of people. Honestly, I wish September would arrive - since we're going to have to listen to the same remarks from you in every post until the season begins.

[cartyboi]

Cancel the season. Quit the debates about the playoff system. Just give OSU the crystal football because they are LOADED.

[NorCal Buckeye]

Yes, because as we've established over and over, in Troll-land, players in UM will never improve, mature, or benefit from experience in the defensive system. UM will forever be suspended in 2009 - oh, the humanity.

Well they certainly didn't from 2007 to 2008 to 2009 at M! Maybe they will somehow break the pattern somehow this year with the few good players you had departed.

[NorCal Buckeye]

Cancel the season. Quit the debates about the playoff system. Just give OSU the crystal football because they are LOADED.

Boy! You're easily persuaded!

[NorCal Buckeye]

NorCal,

I'm glad you have such confidence. I didn't gather from Heacock's remarks that he felt the same way - but, if you're so sure - enjoy....

And - regarding RR and GR - I think the Michigan D will make significant strides this season - and the O will surprise a lot of people. Honestly, I wish September would arrive - since we're going to have to listen to the same remarks from you in every post until the season begins.

Truth remains the same no matter what day it is.

[amazinblue]

Truth remains the same no matter what day it is.

NorCal,

Since I'm an outsider - not familiar with all the "ins and outs" of life in Columbus or the Bay Area - and being a Buckeye fan. I'm guessing that you are saying the Buckeye faithful should listen to YOUR opinion about the defense instead of Heacock's.

[Wolvrin704]

Only 6 returning starters on D? Ouch. But hey the have NCAA All Americans ready to step right in so no drop off. Norgal, NUT, Don, etc have notified us so we have been warned.

Seriously though, I'm sure there won't be much of a drop off especially late in the season but it still has to be a concern early on.
You guys should listen to UConn's womens bball coach who said just what I told Norgal...."you can't stay on top forever and sooner or later someone will knock us off"....the same is true in all sports and its always cyclical. Enjoy your moment in the sun Buckeye fan because at some point someone is going to take it from you. It may not be this year, it may not be another 5 years but it will happen as sure as the earth rotates around the sun.

[cartyboi]

But enjoying your moment in the sun is what? Two embarrassing attempts to win the NC as well as other losses in bowl games and losses to teams such as a Juice Williams' led Illinois and Purdon't?

[NorCal Buckeye]

Only 6 returning starters on D? Ouch. But hey the have NCAA All Americans ready to step right in so no drop off. Norgal, NUT, Don, etc have notified us so we have been warned.

Seriously though, I'm sure there won't be much of a drop off especially late in the season but it still has to be a concern early on.
You guys should listen to UConn's womens bball coach who said just what I told Norgal...."you can't stay on top forever and sooner or later someone will knock us off"....the same is true in all sports and its always cyclical. Enjoy your moment in the sun Buckeye fan because at some point someone is going to take it from you. It may not be this year, it may not be another 5 years but it will happen as sure as the earth rotates around the sun.

LOL, man! What a classic example of sour grapes.

This thread was an invite to talk about the few position battles up for grabs at OSU this season, and then the UM fans take it into a rant about the surety of all great empires eventually falling in the face of the sands of time.

You guys really make me laugh. This is why I keep coming back, Michigan football and their fans is some of the best comedy to be found.:D

[Wolvrin704]

LOL, man! What a classic example of sour grapes.

This thread was an invite to talk about the few position battles up for grabs at OSU this season, and then the UM fans take it into a rant about the surety of all great empires eventually falling in the face of the sands of time.

You guys really make me laugh. This is why I keep coming back, Michigan football and their fans is some of the best comedy to be found.:D


Sour grapes? I merely post what a top NCAA coach says about the fortunes of teams in sports. I would think he would pretty much be an expert in such matters. All good things come to an end sooner or later, its the cycle of life. Last I checked the Greek, Roman and British empires all ended at some point. Last I checked UCLA stopped winning basketball championships years ago. Last I checked UM had 2 losing seasons after having a record 40 years of winning seasons. It happens to everyone and everything whether you like it or not. Nothing stays the same, seasons come and seasons go in life as well as in sports. So go ahead and make more insulting comments just because you can in no way debate the merits of your argument.

BTW, I was the one who made a brief remark that I thought sooner or later OSU would also have some down years. You guys completely ignored everything else I said and zeroed in on that. So how does it feel to have your thread derailed even when I didn't intend for it?

[NorCal Buckeye]

Sour grapes? I merely post what a top NCAA coach says about the fortunes of teams in sports. I would think he would pretty much be an expert in such matters. All good things come to an end sooner or later, its the cycle of life. Last I checked the Greek, Roman and British empires all ended at some point. Last I checked UCLA stopped winning basketball championships years ago. Last I checked UM had 2 losing seasons after having a record 40 years of winning seasons. It happens to everyone and everything whether you like it or not. Nothing stays the same, seasons come and seasons go in life as well as in sports. So go ahead and make more insulting comments just because you can in no way debate the merits of your argument.

BTW, I was the one who made a brief remark that I thought sooner or later OSU would also have some down years. You guys completely ignored everything else I said and zeroed in on that. So how does it feel to have your thread derailed even when I didn't intend for it?

Oh, I see. The misunderstanding perhaps arose over the term "down period". I took that to mean losing seasons, and especially consecutive losing seasons. That of course has not happened in 90 years at Ohio State, and probably never will. Go Buckeyes!

If you mean 7-5, 8-4, 9-3 seasons then yes, OSU could have a down period with season records like that. They have in recent memory as we all know.

One losing season is a once in a generation event at OSU, consecutive losing seasons once in a century. Go Buckeyes!

[amazinblue]

I find it interesting that OSU's DC - Jim Heacock said - "We've got some experience, but the depth is going to be critical. The young guys are really going to have to come on fast. They've got to learn a lot, they've got to learn the defense. We were fortunate last year we had a lot of older guys in the two-deep."

And, no OSU fan on this site will even acknowledge that he said this - nor do they offer any sound opinion as to why they would take a different point of view.

After all, isn't this thread about OSU being "Locked and Loaded"...

[NorCal Buckeye]

I find it interesting that OSU's DC - Jim Heacock said - "We've got some experience, but the depth is going to be critical. The young guys are really going to have to come on fast. They've got to learn a lot, they've got to learn the defense. We were fortunate last year we had a lot of older guys in the two-deep."

And, no OSU fan on this site will even acknowledge that he said this - nor do they offer any sound opinion as to why they would take a different point of view.

After all, isn't this thread about OSU being "Locked and Loaded"...

I read the article too, but so what? If don't already know that Tressel and staff are the most conservative, play it close to the vest, sandbagging, under promise and over deliver players in the game you probably never will. The OSU defense, as always, will be top tier.

The only position on D I'm antsy about is Coleman's. He was an ace safety, and will be hard to replace. The best way to beat OSU is go over the top on them, and a newbie safety who bites too often on big play passes could be a real liability.

Settle in and enjoy the show, Amazin. This is a junior dominated team that is going to rock for the next two seasons. You might even want to donate your Maize and Blue fan gear and turn to Scarlet & Gray so you have something to cheer about.

[NorCal Buckeye]

I find it interesting that OSU's DC - Jim Heacock said - "We've got some experience, but the depth is going to be critical. The young guys are really going to have to come on fast. They've got to learn a lot, they've got to learn the defense. We were fortunate last year we had a lot of older guys in the two-deep."

And, no OSU fan on this site will even acknowledge that he said this - nor do they offer any sound opinion as to why they would take a different point of view.

After all, isn't this thread about OSU being "Locked and Loaded"...

Locked and loaded indeed...everybody was crying it's the end of the world when we lost that 5 star recruit to Texas this year, but I see where another recently recruited 5 star recruit that we did get is riding the pine trying to break the starting lineup, Dorian Bell.

The Buckeyes are deeeeeep. And it's a junior dominated team. Tressel has two really good shots at another NC this year, and next. And who's to say we are not going to continue to rock and roll after that? There's a bunch of stud players waiting their turn to bring further great seasons to Ohio Stadium.

Go Buckeyes!:D

[rickyleach]

I eat chili it works every time....

[The Michigan Man]

Locked and loaded indeed...everybody was crying it's the end of the world when we lost that 5 star recruit to Texas this year, but I see where another recently recruited 5 star recruit that we did get is riding the pine trying to break the starting lineup, Dorian Bell.

The Buckeyes are deeeeeep. And it's a junior dominated team. Tressel has two really good shots at another NC this year, and next. And who's to say we are not going to continue to rock and roll after that? There's a bunch of stud players waiting their turn to bring further great seasons to Ohio Stadium.

Go Buckeyes!:D

Quit pimping your team so relentlessly, if you truly believed the above you wouldn't spend so much time with the hard sell every day.

[Silver Bullet]

Quit pimping your team so relentlessly, if you truly believed the above you wouldn't spend so much time with the hard sell every day.

Seriously NorCal, knock it off. Posts like that scare MM and his kind. We don't want him going into hiding again do we?

[Wolvrin704]

Pistachios