I should have listened to my coaching staff

[rickyleach]

Hi my name is donavon warren and i thought i was ready to play in the nfl , but im still waiting for a phone call, how can this be i was so ready to play in the pros , great example of a bad decision to leave school early ...

[Wolvrin704]

He should never have signed with an agent at least.

[primetime101]

Hi my name is donavon warren and i thought i was ready to play in the nfl , but im still waiting for a phone call, how can this be i was so ready to play in the pros , great example of a bad decision to leave school early ...

it never seemed to me that he got any better since his freshman year..but thats just me

[rickyleach]

it never seemed to me that he got any better since his freshman year..but thats just me

thats funny because looking back at his career he really didnt become what all of us thought .good post.

[1OSUNUT]

It's not like basketball. Once a football player fills out the paperwork for the NFL - he cannot come back agent or not. I said all along that Gibson needed one more year as well. He at least went in the 4th round to Pittsburgh - but not staying had to cost him millions. Warren will have to bust ass as a free agent just to make a team. Those guys have a much harder route in the NFL. There is some sucess stories - but most times they bounch from practice squad to practice squad. It's a shame.

Gibson is going to be sick to his stomach when he sees what Heyward gets when he comes out next year. He could of been the opposite bookend for a very good defense and would of (IMO) gone sooner then the 4th round. It's a shame so many kids get such bad advise from money hungry friends, family and agents. Look at players like Snead, McKight, Warren and others. These kids could of still been in school getting better, having fun and getting an education. It's an absolute shame.

[Wolvrin704]

It's not like basketball. Once a football player fills out the paperwork for the NFL - he cannot come back agent or not. I said all along that Gibson needed one more year as well. He at least went in the 4th round to Pittsburgh - but not staying had to cost him millions. Warren will have to bust ass as a free agent just to make a team. Those guys have a much harder route in the NFL. There is some sucess stories - but most times they bounch from practice squad to practice squad. It's a shame.

Gibson is going to be sick to his stomach when he sees what Heyward gets when he comes out next year. He could of been the opposite bookend for a very good defense and would of (IMO) gone sooner then the 4th round. It's a shame so many kids get such bad advise from money hungry friends, family and agents. Look at players like Snead, McKight, Warren and others. These kids could of still been in school getting better, having fun and getting an education. It's an absolute shame.

Are you sure the rules are different? I thought it was the same, why would it be different from basketball to football?

Anyways I agree its a shame because at best these guys can look forward to being 2nd or 3rd string journeymen playing special teams.

[RADRACING]

I'm really saddened by the draft, not only him but Minor.\, I guess Minor can go tey where ever he wants.

Anyway life moves on, like Mel Kiper, jr. said "unless you are a blue chip first round pick stay where you are at".

[primetime101]

ik brandon minor signed a FA deal with the bears and carlos brown signed with the saints

i think i heard ortmann and matthews also got signed as well

here's a good link for former UM players in this years draft...http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1078126

[tpilews]

ik brandon minor signed a FA deal with the bears and carlos brown signed with the saints

i think i heard ortmann and matthews also got signed as well

here's a good link for former UM players in this years draft...http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1078126

Moosman also signed with Arizona.

[1OSUNUT]

Are you sure the rules are different? I thought it was the same, why would it be different from basketball to football?

Anyways I agree its a shame because at best these guys can look forward to being 2nd or 3rd string journeymen playing special teams.

99% sure. There is many different rules between football and basketball. Like the fact that a basketball player only has to play one year before going pro - a football player has to play at least two. I have never heard of a football player coming back to his team after not being drafted. I'm sort of torn between allowing these kids back anyway. I think unless your a sure fire first rounder - you should stay at school. I also think that if a kid leaves school before he has finished his senior year to enter a pro sport - he should repay the school for the education that he got. Many NFL teams draft a player based on what they can make him - not what he is already. That is why so many kids that may have been stars in college are picked so late and kids that you never heard of are picked early. To many kids get burned chasing the almighty dollar.

[The Michigan Man]

Manny Harris will be another UM kid that will wish he had played the additional year. I wish him the best, but I don't think he had enough of a breakout year to draw the kind of NBA attention that he could possibly have drawn with a solid year as the focal point of the offense his senior year in 2010.

[deltguy2]

On Sportscenter, they listed which positions had the most people drafted this year. DB had something like 34 taken. Your telling me that D. Warren was not in the top 34 DB's in college football this year? I find it hard to beleive that there were that many DB's better than him. I thought that when he decided to come out he was projected as a late first round to second round guy?? What advise was he getting that lead him to beleive he was going to be drafted? Or did he have a poor combine?

Anybody know any details?

[1OSUNUT]

Many kids are very good players on crappy teams. Then they show up at the combine or Senior bowls and blow up. The NFL scouts don't care where you played college ball - they want to know how good you are as an individual. It comes down to so many intangibles. Many teams pick kids from larger conferences in the early rounds because they cannot afford to miss on an early pick - the later rounds are the ones that fill your team and give you depth. It is also where you find your diamonds and value.

[tpilews]

On Sportscenter, they listed which positions had the most people drafted this year. DB had something like 34 taken. Your telling me that D. Warren was not in the top 34 DB's in college football this year? I find it hard to beleive that there were that many DB's better than him. I thought that when he decided to come out he was projected as a late first round to second round guy?? What advise was he getting that lead him to beleive he was going to be drafted? Or did he have a poor combine?

Anybody know any details?

Sam Webb has speculated that D. Warren was hobbled by his ankle injury that he sustained in 2008. He went on to say that he thinks it was affecting his play in '09 as well. Warren's stock fell when he ran a 4.65 40 yard at the combine, which could have been a product of that ankle injury. Just for measure, Brandon Graham ran a 4.7 with an additional 70 lbs.

[bleed maize & blue]

Why would you risk it if you know that you are not 100% going into thte combine? That is just plain stupid. He should have rehabed the injury and got one more year of game tape to show and improve his technique. Unless he can pull a Ron Rice(undrafted free agent out of Eastern Michigan) that played for the Lions a few years back that went undrafted and turned into a pro bowl caliber player he screwed himself.

[1OSUNUT]

Many of these kids think they are better then they really are. They have some two bit agent with $$$$$ in his eyes telling him he is ready - and they listen. Warren (like Gibson) would of really benefited from another year of college football to improve their draft stock. Warren is going to get chump change for the first few years (or first contract) - if he makes it at all. Many of those signings are free agent type that are only valid if you make the team. He could of played one more year at Michigan - helped with the turn around and enjoyed his Senior season as a Wolverine. I wish something could be done about not allowing any college athlete to leave before their Senior year is over. The one and done rule is killing college basketball and it's top tier programs and to many underclass football players are leaving to early when they get bad advise. Warren screwed up big time by leaving early - so did Snead. He went from being a Hiesman canidate to undrafted - that is a damn shame.

[Wolvrin704]

I thought these guys got a draft projection analysis from the NFL. Or am I thinking of something else?

[tpilews]

I thought these guys got a draft projection analysis from the NFL. Or am I thinking of something else?

Yes, it's a draft advisory board. They told DW no later than the 3rd round. Looks like UM and DW are getting shafted with that one.

[Blue In Ohio]

Wow what a terrible mistake. He cost himself potential millions had Michigan had a good season next year he may have gone first round. Now with teams not having to make a very big investment in him he will have to climb a mountain to get into a starting line up with a whole lot less margin of error for mistakes compared to a first or second round pick that a team would have a substantial investment in. Likely he will be a practice squad player and fizzle out after a few seasons of getting beat up. He would have to be exceptional to climb into a starting line up and be valued by a team. I never thought of him as exceptional while at Michigan. Good but he wasn't a shut down corner type. Kid not only costed himself millions but a top rate degree. In a few years you may see him working at a gas station.

[1OSUNUT]

He is not alone. The system chews up and spits out a ton of kids just like Warren every year. That is why some kind of rule should be in place that makes a kid stay in school 4 years. This way he at least has a education to fall back on. Blue in Ohio is absolutly correct to say that he will be working at a gas station in a few years (or stocking shelfs,etc). He might bounce around a few years on practice squads or in the AFL - but he will have a very hard road to hoe. Harrison of the Steelers is the only guy that I can remember that kept getting cut before he made it real big. Most of the guys are third stringers or special teams guys - it's a shame. It will really hit him the first time he sees the Wolverines take the field this year knowing full well that is where he belonged.

[rickyleach]

im not quite sure what kind of player dw was going to be at michigan , but most of the time you really couldnt tell if he was in the game, i think he had the lloyd carr virus , never made it to his potential

[The Michigan Man]

He is not alone. The system chews up and spits out a ton of kids just like Warren every year. That is why some kind of rule should be in place that makes a kid stay in school 4 years. This way he at least has a education to fall back on. Blue in Ohio is absolutly correct to say that he will be working at a gas station in a few years (or stocking shelfs,etc). He might bounce around a few years on practice squads or in the AFL - but he will have a very hard road to hoe. Harrison of the Steelers is the only guy that I can remember that kept getting cut before he made it real big. Most of the guys are third stringers or special teams guys - it's a shame. It will really hit him the first time he sees the Wolverines take the field this year knowing full well that is where he belonged.

I agree with you on this one. And if that advisory board told him he would be a 3rd rounder, someone needs to take a look at who is evaluating these kids and what criteria they are using. Using this flawed info is causing guys like Warren to make ill-fated decisions based upon bad advice.

[Gobluerebirth]

I may be on the other side of the fence on this one. I think Warren is an adult. I think he made this decision, and if his family advised him it's also their fault. He knows what they agents want, he's not an 8 year old following instructions. He should have stayed in school. It's his fault alone. He made a mistake.

[The Michigan Man]

I may be on the other side of the fence on this one. I think Warren is an adult. I think he made this decision, and if his family advised him it's also their fault. He knows what they agents want, he's not an 8 year old following instructions. He should have stayed in school. It's his fault alone. He made a mistake.

I agree that he is an adult, but how old is he, 21? It isn't like he has a wealth of wisdom and experience to draw upon.

He made his decision as an adult, but he may have been influenced by trusting flawed analysis from the advisory board. I understand that he is responsible for his own decisions, but let's not make it harder on these kids by feeding them bullsh*t from a supposedly trustworthy resource.

[tpilews]

Wow what a terrible mistake. He cost himself potential millions had Michigan had a good season next year he may have gone first round. Now with teams not having to make a very big investment in him he will have to climb a mountain to get into a starting line up with a whole lot less margin of error for mistakes compared to a first or second round pick that a team would have a substantial investment in. Likely he will be a practice squad player and fizzle out after a few seasons of getting beat up. He would have to be exceptional to climb into a starting line up and be valued by a team. I never thought of him as exceptional while at Michigan. Good but he wasn't a shut down corner type. Kid not only costed himself millions but a top rate degree. In a few years you may see him working at a gas station.

Not necessarily with concern to his degree. He can still complete his degree at UM, even under scholarship. It's called a "degree completion" scholarship. Usually, this is for a guy that used up his athletic eligibility, but hasn't finished school. In DW's circumstance, he doesn't have eligibility because he declared for the NFL. I'm sure he'd be able to still get his degree. Hell, even work out and train with Barwis if he wants to.

Also, from what I've been hearing, DW's godfather is a coach in the NFL, so chances are pretty good he could sign with them. Not sure which team it is though.

[amazinblue]

... Brandon Graham ran a 4.7 with an additional 70 lbs.

TPI,

Hey - you've got to have something wrong here. I thought that Michigan and RR were recruiting and developing slow and undersized players. I know Brandon bought into RR / Barwis and what they are doing - their direction, etc. - and showed his commitment to it. Now, you're making this post - that Brandon ran a solid 4.7 in the combine - and he's strong - and quick. How did RR & Barwis do this?

I believe that Graham is an example of what we'll see on the field this year and in the year's to come. He's committed, disciplined, talented, and passionate. I wish him nothing but success in the NFL - AND, I hope he'll be able to make it back for big game weekends - and tell prospects about what RR / Barwis have done for his development, success, and life.

[Blue In Ohio]

He is not alone. The system chews up and spits out a ton of kids just like Warren every year. That is why some kind of rule should be in place that makes a kid stay in school 4 years. This way he at least has a education to fall back on. Blue in Ohio is absolutly correct to say that he will be working at a gas station in a few years (or stocking shelfs,etc). He might bounce around a few years on practice squads or in the AFL - but he will have a very hard road to hoe. Harrison of the Steelers is the only guy that I can remember that kept getting cut before he made it real big. Most of the guys are third stringers or special teams guys - it's a shame. It will really hit him the first time he sees the Wolverines take the field this year knowing full well that is where he belonged.

Especially if Michigan has the much needed break out season he might have been looking at first round millions next season. Like Mo Clarett who could have been sitting on millions right now if he would have just chose to go to class and do a little studying for a few years. Clarett had the size and speed when he was in shape to be a good NFL back. He just did not have the patience to wait for anything and that will cost him the rest of his life like it has many others. If these guys are intellegent enough to understand what they let slip through their hands they must have a difficult time just getting out of bed. I would.

[Gobluerebirth]

I agree that he is an adult, but how old is he, 21? It isn't like he has a wealth of wisdom and experience to draw upon.

He made his decision as an adult, but he may have been influenced by trusting flawed analysis from the advisory board. I understand that he is responsible for his own decisions, but let's not make it harder on these kids by feeding them bullsh*t from a supposedly trustworthy resource.

Maybe I view it differently because I'm 19. I see your point though.

[tpilews]

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