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[Sten Carlson]

Total and utter CRAP!

The BCS has destroyed the college football post season, not only in their selections and match-up, but also in their use of FOX. It is so obvious that these money-grubbing trolls only care about making money. There are far too many commercials, far too much ass-kissing and sunshine being blown up multiple asses (especially Tebow's).

Someone in here said that the head of the BCS is also the head of the SEC -- if this is actually true it is a severe conflict of interests that deserves to be punished in most strict manner possible.

Florida only got to the NC game because they beat Alabama, the then #1 team in the country in the SEC Championship game. Twice in the final month of the season Texas gets passed over, once by a team they already beat, and a second time by Florida (think that has anything to do with the headman of the SEC and the BCS being one and the same?). Then, after that same Bama team gets slaughtered by Utah, there is not a peep coming from the BCS or any TV media about how Utah got screwed. Not to mention the fact that it's been reported that these BCS douche bags don't even WATCH THE FUCKING GAMES, they just watch the highlights on ESPN! The NCAA basketball tournament committee meets something like every two weeks or so to discuss teams, in an effort to make sure their tournament is the best it can be.

Now, after tonight yawner, Florida is going to be lauded as one of the greatest teams ever! This, despite the fact that they got beat by an unranked Ole Miss, and THEY HAVE AN INSIDE MAN PULLING THE STRINGS! In addition, basically this same team had their hat handed to them last year by Michigan, but everyone in the media seems to have forgotten that fact as they trip over themselves in race to drop to their knees at the feet of Tebow and Urban Meyer!

How can anyone take them seriously?

I love college football, it is the only sport that I really pay attention to, but I HATE THE BCS, and they're making me hate college football, and that is very sad.

I hope that the Utah Attorney General gets his investigation really cooking, and these bastard have their feet held to the fire!

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

The teams in the title game are not influenced in any way by the fact that the father of the bcs is the SEC commissioner. It's not like there's a selection committee or anything, the sec commish just designed the system. Also the sec champ has won the game 3 years in a row, which IMO gives them a right to be there.
I wish fla couldve played USC though, that would have been interesting.

[gator]

Sten,
I hate to say it my man, but you are an idiot. Not so much for your gripe with the BCS; I actually get that and I am all for a playoff. I can't give you a reason for Texas getting jumped by OKL, but FLA did beat the currently ranked #1 team when they jumped Texas so don't shout conspiracy about that. I've actually heard a lot about Utah getting screwd since the Sugar Bowl, and I'm actually glad what that team may have done for a future playoff. However, you can't say you haven't heard a word...unless you're deaf. As far as UM beating basically the same team... you have to be kidding, right? As far as personnel, you may be right, but as a unit you are way off. If you think UM played the same defense last year that OKL played tonight, you are, as politely as I can say...a retard. Last year's D had 9 new starters, and basically no experience. That D you saw tonight, held the best offense of all time (statistically speaking) to 14 points. You didn't play that defense and you didn't play the 2006 defense either. I personally don't consider giving up 35 pts a great defensive day for any team. I give UM all the props for showing up and having their best game of the year against FLA. You beat us fair and square last year, and that's all anyone can say about that. From what I saw, UM would have beaten UF 10 out of 10 times last year. However, that was last year and a completely different D. Tonight, you saw a championship performance from a team that fielded 2 seniors (overall) in their starting lineup. I'm not saying they would beat USC or Utah...we will never now. However, your statement "How can anyone take them serious?" is laughable, at best. The SEC owns 3 straight National Championships, that's how people take them serious. All I ask here is that you give respect where it is due, and if you don't...who really gives a damn. You're nothing more than a homer, IMO. Sorry, but that is my respectful opinion.

[bleed maize & blue]

So tell me this then Gator: How does Florida get to Jump over a USC team that lost earlier in the season to a team that at least competed for the confrence crown until the last couple of weeks of the season.Florida loses at home to an unranked Ols Miss and yet are being touted as the greatest team in the land. That is utter bullshit and you know it. USC has the best team in the land by far and would have destroyed Florida hell they could even beat the Detroit Lions and the St Louis Rams. Be pround of your team but dont think that they are the best in the country. They did not even play the second or third best team in this farce of national championship game. Anyone that is a true fan of college football knows this. The fans of college footbal need to start a stand against this and effect change to get the game back form the money grubbers.

[gator]

So tell me this then Gator: How does Florida get to Jump over a USC team that lost earlier in the season to a team that at least competed for the confrence crown until the last couple of weeks of the season.Florida loses at home to an unranked Ols Miss and yet are being touted as the greatest team in the land. That is utter bullshit and you know it. USC has the best team in the land by far and would have destroyed Florida hell they could even beat the Detroit Lions and the St Louis Rams. Be pround of your team but dont think that they are the best in the country. They did not even play the second or third best team in this farce of national championship game. Anyone that is a true fan of college football knows this. The fans of college footbal need to start a stand against this and effect change to get the game back form the money grubbers.

Hey, I'm all for a playoff and earning a NC. However, I ask that you ask yourself about USC's loss. In their loss, they were getting dominated at halftime, 21-0. FLA never got dominated like that. In fact, UF led Ole Miss by 10 at halftime and only lost because of 2 turnovers in 4 plays inside their own 20. They weren't even good defensive plays, just drops by RB's. As it turns out, dumbass, Ole Miss was a pretty damn good football team, beating a vaunted Big12 South contender (Texas Tech). Better than Oregon St. I'll bet. So, NO, I don't know for sure that USC is better, and honestly, I don't know if UF is better. The reason UF jumped "over" USC was that USC played NOBODY, NOBODY, NOBODY other than OSU on their entire schedule until they destroyed Penn St. Whoooppped teeee fuccckkkkkkin dooooooo! They beat the best 2 teams in the Big10. You would have a hard time convincing fans of your own conference that that was an accomplishment. I'm not hear telling you that UF is absolutely the best team; hell, I wish we really knew. What I can say is that USC's reputation as the best D of all-time was based on a schedule of complete BS. Hell, they played Washington and Washington St, two teams UM could have planted this year. Who exactly did USC play, until Penn St, that you were so impressed with? USC, as much as you would love it, wouldn't blow FLA out, I'll tell you that. USC, which I have tremendous respect for, actually shows up for their games, like FLA. It would be a great game, but don't try to tell me you know how this shiiit would turn out after the upsets we've all witnessed this bowl season.

[gator]

You know BM&B, just as a taste of the shiit you're shoveling out, your '97 UM team was a bunch of pussies and Nebraska would have eaten them for lunch. Feels great, huh? A team from a conference that has won 3 straight NC's and the team that has 2 of those can't get any respect. I'll tell you that our last two outright titles are a damn sight better than that split title shiit you last pulled off.

Sorry, to most of you here that I respect, but this a$$hole is just way off. I honestly respect your last title. This bum just can't admit when someone is doing something good.

[jinfant3]

Get your head out of your ass and think about what you're saying. USC got beat by Oregon State and Florida got beat by Ole Miss. Put Ole Miss and Oregon State in a game and tell me who wins. I'm sick of people blowing sunshine up the ass of USC. Did anyone hear Mark May in the postgame? "If Texas played USC, USC wins...if Florida plays USC, USC wins...if Oklahoma plays USC, USC wins...Utah isn't even in the conversation."

Shut the fuck up about USC, they weren't in the title game, get over it.

I am all for a college football playoff, I hope it does happen soon. However, that doesn't mean the BCS can't possibly ever get it right, because they did. Florida could beat Texas, USC and Utah anytime.

[rickyleach]

mama told me who ever wins the fla /oakl game would be the champeenie.. fla gets to brag for another year, good for them, to bad for the grest coach bobtresselstoops,,,

[1OSUNUT]

I'm sure if Michigan was in the game and won - the title would mean something. Hell you guys were only co-champions in 1997 and your still bragging about it. Look on the bright side Michigan is far away from having to even worry about stupid stuff like the BCS.

[Blue In Ohio]

The BCS got it wrong this year because Utah deserved to be there plain and simple. they beat everyone on there schedule along with a convincing victory over a top sec team. My hats off to Florida for winning the game. it's fair enough to say they deserved to be there while Oklahoma clearly did not due to the fact that Texas beat them and was left out. As for the big talk of the sec beating USC all one needs to do is to look at the last two USC wins over sec teams that finished at the top of their league at the time. USC demolished those teams and that were less talented USC teams then this years team. Florida against USC it would be USC 21 over Florida. USC fields an NFL defense. If the sec thinks it can take USC it should just schedule them some more instead of the weak nonconference games they usually play. In the mythical title system we have Utah clearly deserves the title but if there was a playoff I don't see anybody beating USC. By the way gator you said USC did not play anybody during the season. The PAC ten went undefeated in bowls this year. Did your conference do that? It looks to me right now like the PAC ten is the toughest conference in America.

[michAGAIN]

I'm sure if Michigan was in the game and won - the title would mean something. Hell you guys were only co-champions in 1997 and your still bragging about it. Look on the bright side Michigan is far away from having to even worry about stupid stuff like the BCS.

HEY 1OSUNUT -- FIXED IT FOR YA - "I'm sure you all won't have to worry about OSU ever winning any BCS game. Hell, us OSU fans brag every year and about what??.... losing to UF, LSU, USC, PENN ST. AND TEXAS. Our buckeyes have lost every big game we're in and we're still bragging about it. Look on the bright side, Michigan will soon be back in a big way and kick our butts."

[Inflames]

I'm sure if Michigan was in the game and won - the title would mean something. Hell you guys were only co-champions in 1997 and your still bragging about it. Look on the bright side Michigan is far away from having to even worry about stupid stuff like the BCS.

Nut this has nothing to do with the conversation. Don't highjack threads to try and throw in insults at U of M please. U of M just missed a bowl for the first time in over 3 decades not to mention with your teams latest "bowl run" I wouldn't try and cast too many stones.

We are all better than that on this board. Let's keep it somewhat civil please.

[Sten Carlson]

Sten,
I hate to say it my man, but you are an idiot. Not so much for your gripe with the BCS; I actually get that and I am all for a playoff. I can't give you a reason for Texas getting jumped by OKL, but FLA did beat the currently ranked #1 team when they jumped Texas so don't shout conspiracy about that. I've actually heard a lot about Utah getting screwd since the Sugar Bowl, and I'm actually glad what that team may have done for a future playoff. However, you can't say you haven't heard a word...unless you're deaf. As far as UM beating basically the same team... you have to be kidding, right? As far as personnel, you may be right, but as a unit you are way off. If you think UM played the same defense last year that OKL played tonight, you are, as politely as I can say...a retard. Last year's D had 9 new starters, and basically no experience. That D you saw tonight, held the best offense of all time (statistically speaking) to 14 points. You didn't play that defense and you didn't play the 2006 defense either. I personally don't consider giving up 35 pts a great defensive day for any team. I give UM all the props for showing up and having their best game of the year against FLA. You beat us fair and square last year, and that's all anyone can say about that. From what I saw, UM would have beaten UF 10 out of 10 times last year. However, that was last year and a completely different D. Tonight, you saw a championship performance from a team that fielded 2 seniors (overall) in their starting lineup. I'm not saying they would beat USC or Utah...we will never now. However, your statement "How can anyone take them serious?" is laughable, at best. The SEC owns 3 straight National Championships, that's how people take them serious. All I ask here is that you give respect where it is due, and if you don't...who really gives a damn. You're nothing more than a homer, IMO. Sorry, but that is my respectful opinion.

Blah blah, blah blah blah blah!

The SEC has an inside man calling the shots, plain and simple. You can try to spin it anyway you like, but there is a severe conflict of interest evidenced by the fact that SEC teams seem to continually and miraculously leap multiple worthy teams to land in the NC game, year in and year out.

You can call it conspiracy theory or whatever you want, but its all BULLSHIT and FLORIDA nor any other team IMO is the National Champion -- that belongs to Utah!

GO fuck yourself you biased piece of reptile shit!

[1OSUNUT]

Florida would kill Utah - everybody knows that.

[Blue In Ohio]

Florida would kill Utah about the same way Alabama did. It took everything Florida had to defeat Bama. Utah didn't seem to have a problem defeating Bama.

[Mike Furley]

All this debate is what makes the Bowl Championship Subdivision of Division One NCAA football so wonderful. Every game means something. Having a playoff system would take the uniqueness away relegate it to a status indistinguisable from every other collegiate sport. Besides, having a playoff system would be detrimenal to the academic success of all of the student athletes.

[Run The Ball]

Florida would kill Utah - everybody knows that.


That's not the fukking point, UNut. Those kids from Utah did everything they were supposed to do - they lifted weights in the off-season, they practiced/conditioned just like the kids from Florida did all year, they went to classes, and they played their schedule that was set up for them by their AD.

I don't give a flying fukk if we have a 8 team playoff, a sixteen team playoff, or a 65 team playoff, we will NEVER have a true NC in major D-I football unless the NCAA has one fundemental rule.....you keep playing football unless you lose a game or unless you win the National Championship.

[blueisbetterthanred]

I think after that weak performance last night on both sides it's going to be hard for any team to say they are better than utah. Neither team showed the intensity I saw on the field against bama.

Now I must depart to buy a truck, after which time I am going to make sweet sweet love to tim tebow in the back seat. mmmm....

I wanted to break my tv last night...

[michAGAIN]

All this debate is what makes the Bowl Championship Subdivision of Division One NCAA football so wonderful. Every game means something. Having a playoff system would take the uniqueness away relegate it to a status indistinguisable from every other collegiate sport. Besides, having a playoff system would be detrimenal to the academic success of all of the student athletes.

Furley, you are right. Sure you are totally deranged for being an OSU fan, but you are RIGHT. Just my opinion, but a playoff system would ruin the very thing that makes college football so fun.......CONTROVERSY. Fans all over the country love arguing with each other over who is better. It is unique Furley. Very good point. The last thing in the world that I want is for college football to turn into the NFL. I realize most of you want hard and firm facts and want an undisputed champion. I don't. It will ruin the "we're better than you" politics that have made college football so exciting. Don't think that the Utes don't love going around bragging that they deserve the title. Fans from Maine to our West Coast love to argue every point and that's exactly what they are doing today. Why have a playoff and ruin it? The Gators are the National Champions. That's my opinion. Let the arguing begin, it as American as apple pie. A playoff system? Not for me thanks.

[Medic]

Florida would kill Utah - everybody knows that.

Just like everyone knew Alabama would kill Utah? lol


micgAGAIN: The Utes would rather *win* the national title than walk around saying they deserve it, give me a break. So would USC for that matter. Those kids from those teams believe they are better than anyone else and would love nothing more than to prove it. I am also in the camp that hopes the AG from Utah gets something on the BCS. Let the breakdown begin....please.

[1OSUNUT]

Sure we all want a playoff - but we don't have one. Maybe if the economy stays bad more sponsors will drop their bowl sponsorships and force the NCAA and BCS to do something different. Untill then we are stuck with not truely knowing who is best. Alabama played their asses off against Florida and lost in the SEC Championship. That loss was devestating for a team ranked #1 for a good part of the year. When your goal was set so high and you come so close - there is a let down. That is what you saw last week. Alabama was flat, uninspired and really did not want to be there. Utah was fired up to just be in the BCS and wanted to prove something. Lets not make more of it then it is.

Every year there is a WAC or non-BCS team that is either unbeaten or close to it toward the end of the year. They should not be rewarded for playing in a second rate conference. Utah did beat a few pretty good teams before the Alabama game - no great ones though. You see lower grade or lower conference teams beat a powrhouse every year because the big team does not care for whatever reason. Florida played in the the toughest conference and won it's championship. Oklahoma (fair or not) was the champion of the Big 12 which many thought was as tough or tougher then the SEC this year. If USC would not of lost to Oregon State, if Penn State would not of lost to Iowa and if Utah played and beat a major team in the regular season - they would of been there. Should Hawaii of been in the NC game last year (before Georgia smoked them) ? NO.

If you want to be considered one of the big boys - play the big boys in the regular season. Get your conference to get into the BCS do something other then bitch. The only team with a legit bitch is Texas since they beat Oklahoma on a neutral field. Florida was the best team this year. The process might suck and anything could happen in a playoff - but the best team was crowned champion last night. As much as it pains me.

[Todd]

The problem with the Utah debate, is that no one really knew Utah was for real until they beat Alabama. If Utah were to have gotten a spot in the NC, and then proceeded to get pummeled...everyone would have been pissed that they didn't deserve to be there. It's a catch-22. Utah earned the right to be considered AFTER their bowl win against Alabama. There sure wasn't much complaining outside of Utah beforehand. Now, everyone's on the bandwagon.

I'm in no way defending the BCS...but, we'll have just as many, or more arguments once a playoff system is in place. For example...I coach wrestling. I go to tournaments every weekend. In fact, I'll be at 2 this weekend in Illinois. It's all about brackets and round robins. The seedings are everything! When college football develops a playoff, people will argue about match-ups. They'll argue whether lower conferences should be considered. All I'm saying, is watch out what you wish for.

What if Michigan were to have lost to 1-AA App. St. two years ago in the opener, then ran the table and won the big 10 and got a spot in the playoff? People would be flat out pissed!!!! Because you know there's a team out there with a more respectable loss that didn't win their conference, and won't get in. Different format...same arguments.

What about Michigan and ohio state 2 years ago? Michigan loses at the shoe by 3 to the #1 buckeyes. Michigan complained that a 1 loss Florida gets into the NC, while Michigan's only loss was to the #1 team in the country, at their place, by only a field goal. Well guess what...in a playoff system, Michigan still wouldn't have been invited to participate because they didn't win their conference. YOU'VE STILL GOT THE SAME PROBLEM!

[Medic]

Sure we all want a playoff - but we don't have one. Maybe if the economy stays bad more sponsors will drop their bowl sponsorships and force the NCAA and BCS to do something different. Untill then we are stuck with not truely knowing who is best. Alabama played their asses off against Florida and lost in the SEC Championship. That loss was devestating for a team ranked #1 for a good part of the year. When your goal was set so high and you come so close - there is a let down. That is what you saw last week. Alabama was flat, uninspired and really did not want to be there. Utah was fired up to just be in the BCS and wanted to prove something. Lets not make more of it then it is.

Every year there is a WAC or non-BCS team that is either unbeaten or close to it toward the end of the year. They should not be rewarded for playing in a second rate conference. Utah did beat a few pretty good teams before the Alabama game - no great ones though. You see lower grade or lower conference teams beat a powrhouse every year because the big team does not care for whatever reason. Florida played in the the toughest conference and won it's championship. Oklahoma (fair or not) was the champion of the Big 12 which many thought was as tough or tougher then the SEC this year. If USC would not of lost to Oregon State, if Penn State would not of lost to Iowa and if Utah played and beat a major team in the regular season - they would of been there. Should Hawaii of been in the NC game last year (before Georgia smoked them) ? NO.

If you want to be considered one of the big boys - play the big boys in the regular season. Get your conference to get into the BCS do something other then bitch. The only team with a legit bitch is Texas since they beat Oklahoma on a neutral field. Florida was the best team this year. The process might suck and anything could happen in a playoff - but the best team was crowned champion last night. As much as it pains me.

So by your logic Texas should have been flat and uninspired because they absolutely believed that should be in the NC game right? And USC should have been flat because THEY should have been in the NC game. Sigh...

Hawaii excluded the WAC/MWC has brought it in BCS games. Utah twice and Boise State looked awful damn good in their respective BCS games. And if the teams they face aren't ready or are uninspired to play them because they are from "lesser" conferences too bad or Bama expected to be in the NC...too bad. Alabama thought they could throw their jock on the field, Utah would roll over for them, and they got housed.

Penn State's schedule was pretty soft and arguably comparable to Utah's yet they would get the nod for a NC game had they beaten Iowa? Give me a flippin break. Which game gave Penn State more cred than Utah exactly? Their rousing victory over Coastal Carolina or those Big10 powershouses this year Purdue, Indiana, Wisconsin and Michigan?

[Todd]

Which game gave Penn State more cred than Utah exactly? Their rousing victory over Coastal Carolina or those Big10 powershouses this year Purdue, Indiana, Wisconsin and Michigan?

ohio state.

[1OSUNUT]

Todd:

I can relate to the wrestling logic. My brother is a head coach in Northeast Ohio and we both wrestled as well. We have some of the best teams in the nation here in Ohio and when you go to a tournament St.Eds or another great team will show up and have a few guys with a few losses. They don't get seeded well but these losses came at the Beast of the East or another insanely tough tournament against the best teams in the nation. Even though they have a loss they are still normally tougher then any other kid in the tourney and win with ease - beating or pinning a few unbeaten kids along the way.

Same could be said for teams coming out of the SEC and Big 12 this year. They might have a loss - but look at their schedule and opponents.

To answer the other question. I think Texas was a bit flat. The Buckeyes played good - not great. I don't think we got the best effort from Texas. IMO. I give the Buckeyes credit for playing hard and keeping Texas out of the end zone as much as they did - but in spite of poor QB play, we were very much in the game and should of won. The difference between Penn State and Utah is simple. If Penn State is unbeaten they would go because they are a BCS conference school - Utah is not. The rules are the rules. I sure the hell did not say it was fair, nor did I make them.

[elno lewis]

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[Todd]

Todd:

I can relate to the wrestling logic. My brother is a head coach in Northeast Ohio and we both wrestled as well. We have some of the best teams in the nation here in Ohio and when you go to a tournament St.Eds or another great team will show up and have a few guys with a few losses. They don't get seeded well but these losses came at the Beast of the East or another insanely tough tournament against the best teams in the nation. Even though they have a loss they are still normally tougher then any other kid in the tourney and win with ease - beating or pinning a few unbeaten kids along the way.



I had to turn in rosters to the directors of these two tournaments this weekend. In the roster I have to include the records of our clubs participants for seeding purposes. My son has 4 losses this year. Two of those came at the Dixie Nationals at the CNN center in Atlanta last month, one of which was to the #1 seed, the other was an OT loss. Another loss was to the #1 wrestler in his division from Indiana, also placed first in the AAU Spring Nationals last year. The last was to a kid in Illinois at a small tournament where they had to mix and match, because they didn't get a decent turn-out. That kid was 10 lbs. heavier than my 68 pounder, and got muscled, not out-wrestled.

The point is, losses are so relative. My son won't be seeded as high this weekend because another kid with a better record, who hasn't wrestled anybody, will get the better seed.

Not to change the thread to a wrestling thread...the point is, there will be as many, if not more arguments with a playoff system. Especially since the sport of football will not allow you to play several games in a short period of time. So the playoff bracket will have to be small. So, how many teams get in??? Four teams, eight or twelve??? Who gets in and who doesn't??? Who gets seeded where and who plays who??? It seems so simple, and looks good on paper. But, it will be complicated and there will be soooo much more room for error. Easier said than done.

Again, I'm not defending the BCS. But, it's a lot better than what we used to have. I would've loved to have had the BCS system back in 97'!!!

[1OSUNUT]

If you have a 8 team playoff then teams 9,10 and 11 will bitch that they belong. So much about college football is match ups, style and momentum. We I said Ohio State would beat Texas or that they match up better with Texas - it's because they do. I think Oklahoma and Florida would give OSU fits because of the style of football they play. I don't think there is any perfect format unless you just take all the champions of each conference and play them off. This is a hopeless situation.


TODD:

We just had a tournament in Ohio (Ironman) and many of the weight classes had mulitple state champions from states all across America. It is almost impossible to get the seeds correct. You have the top 7 or 8 teams in the country at one event and many o the top ten wrestlers in each weight class. It was brutal. Round one was piting unbeaten state champs against unbeaten state champs. Everybody was there St.Ed's, Blair Acadamey, Massilion Perry, Paris Graham and many others. The point is it's impossible to truely measure the quality of a loss or opponent ithout a reason of a doubt.

[Buckeye Sweetie]

Tonight, you saw a championship performance from a team that fielded 2 seniors (overall) in their starting lineup.

Gator, my only problem with this quote is Florida's 2 seniors & the rest of the team for that matter really didnt' show up until 11 minutes left in the game. Actually, neither team showed up till then.

4 weeks of play-offs, top AP 32. That way no is outsed. It can ve called it December Dashness! There would be no excuses that a team had more of a lay-off.

[Todd]

If you have a 8 team playoff then teams 9,10 and 11 will bitch that they belong. So much about college football is match ups, style and momentum. We I said Ohio State would beat Texas or that they match up better with Texas - it's because they do. I think Oklahoma and Florida would give OSU fits because of the style of football they play. I don't think there is any perfect format unless you just take all the champions of each conference and play them off. This is a hopeless situation.


TODD:

We just had a tournament in Ohio (Ironman) and many of the weight classes had mulitple state champions from states all across America. It is almost impossible to get the seeds correct. You have the top 7 or 8 teams in the country at one event and many o the top ten wrestlers in each weight class. It was brutal. Round one was piting unbeaten state champs against unbeaten state champs. Everybody was there St.Ed's, Blair Acadamey, Massilion Perry, Paris Graham and many others. The point is it's impossible to truely measure the quality of a loss or opponent ithout a reason of a doubt.

Also, with an 8 team playoff...do you let the lower conferences in, bypassing a stud SEC, Big 12, Big 10 etc.? And just conference Champions??? That would have left a 1 loss Michigan team out two years ago, whose only loss was to a #1 team by 3 in an away game? How do you let a team in like Hawaii, who wins their conference, then leave out a stud runner-up...like Texas.

Different system...same arguments!


NUT
I've heard of the IRONMAN. Definitely a stud tournament! We were supposed to go to the Tulsa Nationals next weekend, but my daughter has a gymnastics meet in Iowa. It's Shawn Johnson's gym...so it's a big deal to her. I always thought my first trip to Iowa would be for wrestling. Imagine that...

[rickyleach]

both polls ,the coaches and ap are a joke , you could argue with the top 2 or three, but what about the rest of the top 10 , bama gets whooped 2 games in a row and ends up 6, the polls are laughable and a sorry example of politics in college football, osu has to feel pretty good , people will lay off of them for awhile and rip bob stoops and the sooners ,both of these programs must be overated , 2 and10 between them in the bcs over the last 5 years..

[UM FAN in VA]

Honestly who gives a crap about seeding. People who worry about seeding are those who are dooking it out for second, third, and fourth...

To win the tournament, you have to win ALL your games/matches. The person/team worried about seeding it the one who wants to be (in the) opposite (bracket of) the best guy in the tournament so they can walk out with the silver.

Take the Top 8 ranked BCS teams in the country..period. Screw the conference champ mentality. Because conferences go up and down. The polls take into account schedule strengths.

You never have to go deeper than 8 teams in the polls to find "The best" team in the country, with the only top 3 or 4 truely having a legitimate shot at winning it all, it atleast allows for a 7 or 8th ranked team to to play a couple weeks of it's best football ever and have a "shot" at the title.

That set up is a grand total of 7 games over a 3 week time frame..with the National Champion winning all 3 games.

[bigboyBlue]

Honestly who gives a crap about seeding. People who worry about seeding are those who are dooking it out for second, third, and fourth...

To win the tournament, you have to win ALL your games/matches. The person/team worried about seeding it the one who wants to be opposite the best guy in the tournament so they can walk out with the silver.

Take the Top 8 ranked BCS teams in the country..period. Screw the conference champ mentality. Because conferences go up and down. The polls take into account schedule strengths.

You never have to go deeper than 8 teams in the polls to find "The best" team in the country, with the only top 3 or 4 truely having a legitimate shot at winning it all, it atleast allows for a 7 or 8th ranked team to to play a couple weeks of it's best football ever and have a "shot" at the title.

That set up is a grand total of 7 games over a 3 week time frame..with the National Champion winning all 3 games.


Exactly, it is legit to have a gripe at not being considered an NC contender if you're undefeated, a Conf Champ, 1 tough loss team, etc and are generally considered a top 5 team. But to argue that "we deserve to be 8th in the country" would be pure BS. I couldn't even tell which team was 8th in the polls, because I don't care, because they're not as good as the top 3, 4 maybe even 5 teams. If you're 9th and get left out, you can't complain, period.

[1OSUNUT]

NUT
I've heard of the IRONMAN. Definitely a stud tournament! We were supposed to go to the Tulsa Nationals next weekend, but my daughter has a gymnastics meet in Iowa. It's Shawn Johnson's gym...so it's a big deal to her. I always thought my first trip to Iowa would be for wrestling. Imagine that...

Todd:

That's what having a daughter will do to you. :) It will be cool - but in a different way.

[NCBLUE]

To Gators earlier comments.

Anytime you have multiple 1 loss teams you are left with debate, opinions and polls about who belongs where. You could make an argument that USC, Florida, Okla or Texas all belonged in the title game. I am leaving Utah out of the conversation.

Personnally I think Texas & Florida probably belonged in the game but I would say USC could and probably would beat either of them but was not as "deserving" to be in the title game.

Still gets back to the problem with the BCS system or a 2 team playoff who get's in. As you spread it out and pull in more teams the argument get's less and less because the team that get's left out is 5th or 9th or 17th.

The entire system is about access and money. The big conferences want to keep it for themselves and not share any of it with the non-bcs conferences, the bowls executives do not want to change and tip over their cash cow.

The fans, media, coaches and players all want a playoff for different reasons.
We just need to be patient the change to a playoff will occur but it will be lot longer and slower than anyone wants.

Operating and imperfect sytstem (BCS) in an imperfect world Florida deserves to be champion and they should be proud of their accomplishment.

I do think Gator down played the Michigan victory over his Florida team last year. The defense for Florida was pretty young in the secondary last year but their marquee skill players were all there. Quite frankly Michigan did something they had not done all year long under Carr...which was play to their potential and then beat a double digit favorite who everyone including nut thought would thump us. Florida is one of those teams who do not rebuild but rather reloads. I do take some pride in the fact that sandwhiched in between Florida's dismantling of oSU and their national championship this year was a solid defeat at the hands of the maize n blue.

[NCBLUE]

I'm sure if Michigan was in the game and won - the title would mean something. Hell you guys were only co-champions in 1997 and your still bragging about it. Look on the bright side Michigan is far away from having to even worry about stupid stuff like the BCS.

So in your mind oSU's 2002 National Championship somewhow is better than Michigan's 1997 championship. Wow interesting take...which was more controversial...Michigan's victory over Washington State or oSU's win over Miami ?

As Gator put it earlier when your team wins bask in the moment but be a gracious fan and allow others to do the same.

[GoDeepHammer]

So in your mind oSU's 2002 National Championship somewhow is better than Michigan's 1997 championship. Wow interesting take...which was more controversial...Michigan's victory over Washington State or oSU's win over Miami ?

As Gator put it earlier when your team wins bask in the moment but be a gracious fan and allow others to do the same.

He's a total dick bag. Exceptions are only taken for osu, everyone else lives by different rules.

[Todd]

Honestly who gives a crap about seeding. People who worry about seeding are those who are dooking it out for second, third, and fourth...


Yeah...you're right. Seedings are a bunch of crap and don't mean anything. That's why they're going to go ahead and forget the seedings this year during March Madness. They're just going to draw em' all out of a hat, and stick em' wherever. Huh?

If seedings don't mean anything, you ask a college basketball team if they would rather have a #1 seed or a #2 seed. With your line of thinking it wouldn't make any difference. Well, in the history of college basketball NO #1 seed has ever lost. Several #2 seeds have fallen. Still think seedings are a bunch of crap?

By the way Junior...when's the last time you filled out a March Madness bracket and didn't take seedings into account every single match-up???




Take the Top 8 ranked BCS teams in the country..period. Screw the conference champ mentality. Because conferences go up and down. The polls take into account schedule strengths.

Yeah...that will solve everything. Nobody will complain about that.

So, if you take the top 8, this year there would be 3 teams from the Big 12 and 2 teams from SEC, that would make up 5 out of the 8 spots. You think people are complaining now...wait until you pull something like that! Ha ha ha!!!

[osusteve]

It's my understanding (but someone else will have to verify this), that the Mountain West conference was 6 wins and no losses vs. the Pac 10 this year.

Utah, unlike a lot of Big 10, Big 12, and SEC teams, scheduled some tough out of conference games. No Citadels for them.

[blueisbetterthanred]

I get tired of hearing the argument, "Playoffs won't work because they have problems A B and C..."

No system is going to be perfect. I find it hard to think logically that a playoff system would be LESS fair than the current BCS POS. Sure there would be flaws, but they would be addressed over time.

Saying no to playoffs essentially says: votes > performance

I can't agree with that statement. Baseball, hockey, football, basketball, all have playoffs at the college and major level except college football. It's time to catch up.

[RealSchool]

I'm sure if Michigan was in the game and won - the title would mean something. Hell you guys were only co-champions in 1997 and your still bragging about it. Look on the bright side Michigan is far away from having to even worry about stupid stuff like the BCS.

STFU. When OSU actaully wins a BCS game you can post your crap. And as you know the OSU "win" back a few years ago against Miami was a fraud.

[eyesoftexas]

Total and utter CRAP!

The BCS has destroyed the college football post season, not only in their selections and match-up, but also in their use of FOX. It is so obvious that these money-grubbing trolls only care about making money. There are far too many commercials, far too much ass-kissing and sunshine being blown up multiple asses (especially Tebow's).

Someone in here said that the head of the BCS is also the head of the SEC -- if this is actually true it is a severe conflict of interests that deserves to be punished in most strict manner possible.

Florida only got to the NC game because they beat Alabama, the then #1 team in the country in the SEC Championship game. Twice in the final month of the season Texas gets passed over, once by a team they already beat, and a second time by Florida (think that has anything to do with the headman of the SEC and the BCS being one and the same?). Then, after that same Bama team gets slaughtered by Utah, there is not a peep coming from the BCS or any TV media about how Utah got screwed. Not to mention the fact that it's been reported that these BCS douche bags don't even WATCH THE FUCKING GAMES, they just watch the highlights on ESPN! The NCAA basketball tournament committee meets something like every two weeks or so to discuss teams, in an effort to make sure their tournament is the best it can be.

Now, after tonight yawner, Florida is going to be lauded as one of the greatest teams ever! This, despite the fact that they got beat by an unranked Ole Miss, and THEY HAVE AN INSIDE MAN PULLING THE STRINGS! In addition, basically this same team had their hat handed to them last year by Michigan, but everyone in the media seems to have forgotten that fact as they trip over themselves in race to drop to their knees at the feet of Tebow and Urban Meyer!

How can anyone take them seriously?

I love college football, it is the only sport that I really pay attention to, but I HATE THE BCS, and they're making me hate college football, and that is very sad.

I hope that the Utah Attorney General gets his investigation really cooking, and these bastard have their feet held to the fire!

Best team won, but I agree with this post. Texas deserved a shot. The media is in charge, Fox was terrible and the schools only see $ signs. Ditch the conference championships and start an 8-team playoff each mid-December. Otherwise, we'll continue to see USC and Florida win titles in their own backyards, with 7 week layoffs between the season end and bowl games, which are mere exhibitions at that point, not meaningful games.

[blueisbetterthanred]

So what's with all the coaches in the preseason saying they will buck the system and vote their heart, not the popular team?

Looks like they were all full of crap. All of them... only utah's coach did what he thought he should.

Sad sad sad....

[osusteve]

After the Texas - Ohio State game, Mack Brown announced to the world that he would vote the Longhorns #1. He did not do that today.

[ironhide]

You claim a national title but you were not perfect. In 1997 UM was perfect. Nebraska had a tie, but for an obvious bad call from a referee.
Should not Auburn or Ole Miss claim they are a better team than Florida in respective years? They beat your team head to head. On that day they were PROVEN better. Is that a claim to a real crown?
Your claim of SEC superiority hit a dead end when UM ripped you guys a new butthole in your own backyard last year. In fact, Florida HAS NEVER beaten UM, but we have kicked your asses twice in the last decade. Hell, even MSU tattooed your buttocks.
The fact remains that Utah should have been in the game but wasn't. Whether Florida or Oklahoma or Texas should have been the opponent is immaterial.
I have no problem recognizing Florida as this years national champion and I absolutely adored the gators and Urban Meyer after they crushed the balls of the buckeye blowhards two years ago. Never was I so excited to pull for another college team. That excitement continues. I like the way the Gators do business. I like their coach, and I want that Florida and USC matchup next year.
But don't come here and knock another teams national title when your team was never perfect. There it is. You lose the argument. Fuck off!

[bleed maize & blue]

See A fan like Gator is the real homer that he claims others are.....Has to bring up Michigans title that was a split 10 YEARS AGO!!!! Yeah the horrific schedule that Florida played this year including that recking ball Citadel Should be considered a Title contender.....See I am a true fan of college football and call a spade a spade. If Michigan played that weak ass schedule I would be the first to admit it. Florida's title three years ago was a gift from the media pandering to the masses about not wanting to see a repeat game between Michigan and Ohio State. Please dont give me that shit about non confrence winning teams playing for the national title because that dog wont hunt......They gave the title shot to Oklahoma against LSU after Oklahoma lost in the Big 12 Ttile game several years ago. It is all smoke and mirrors with the bias towards the SEC who plays the NFL typle league schedule every year (KISS MY DICK) and the fact that the BCS president is the comissioner of the SEC seems to make for a favorable title game. Plus dont give me that horseshit that USC lost to Oregon State this year cause Florida lost to Ole Miss (AT HOME for christ sake). That is another load of cow shit to listen to. Oklahoma should not have played in the championship game neither should have Florida for that matter. When the media spouts off that 119 D-1 teams started the season in search of the mythical national title makes me laugh becasue only what 46 teams or so can even begin to realize playing for such title becasue of the confrence tie ins..............BULLSHIT!!!!! To Gator go ahead and cheer for your team they won the game but dont talk shit becasue your team won a mythical championship that the queers in the media and douche bags on some computer poll who never played a game in their lives voted in. Any true fan of college football that watched more than one game a week would see that Florida is not the best team in the country and on a neutral field not in the state of florida would get their dicks handed to them by USC. I am not even an SC fan and can see it from a mile away. So if all you can bring to the table is the fact that SC played NOBODY dude you need to soak your head they played a tougher schedule than The Florida Gators!!!!So if you want to argue please bring it with more than a title split that is older than my kid and a weak ass schedule that you team played compared to anothers I am all for it.

[gator]

Sten,

Thanks for the kind words. I did go fuck myself and I was the best I ever had.:D


Sweetie,

Thanks for the input, but I disagree. There was a lot of offense in that game, just not a lot of scoring. It may have just been me, but it seemed like OKL played the whole damn game on our side of the field. To only give up 14 points to that team considering how often they were in our territory, says FLA has a championship caliber D. Further, the two seniors I mentioned were both on offense, Trautwein and Louis. They wasn't a single senior starting on defense. I know both teams had a lot of flash (going into the game), but Meyer ALWAYS preaches D. It may just be my SEC upbringing, but I'll take great D and an average O any day of the week. IMHO, I thought it was a great game with two teams playing inspired and tough. I really can't give enough credit to the OKL D, which I thought really showed up. I thought they were a worthy opponent and made it a great game. Heck, if FLA hadn't stuffed them twice at the goal line, they could have easily been up 21-7 at halftime.

[gator]

You claim a national title but you were not perfect. In 1997 UM was perfect. Nebraska had a tie, but for an obvious bad call from a referee.
Should not Auburn or Ole Miss claim they are a better team than Florida in respective years? They beat your team head to head. On that day they were PROVEN better. Is that a claim to a real crown?
Your claim of SEC superiority hit a dead end when UM ripped you guys a new butthole in your own backyard last year. In fact, Florida HAS NEVER beaten UM, but we have kicked your asses twice in the last decade. Hell, even MSU tattooed your buttocks.
The fact remains that Utah should have been in the game but wasn't. Whether Florida or Oklahoma or Texas should have been the opponent is immaterial.
I have no problem recognizing Florida as this years national champion and I absolutely adored the gators and Urban Meyer after they crushed the balls of the buckeye blowhards two years ago. Never was I so excited to pull for another college team. That excitement continues. I like the way the Gators do business. I like their coach, and I want that Florida and USC matchup next year.
But don't come here and knock another teams national title when your team was never perfect. There it is. You lose the argument. Fuck off!

ironhide,

relax, man! In case you can't read, I was simply (as I pointed out) illustrating a point, that bm&b has his head up his ass. I don't think anyone has a handle on who the best team really is, and certainly not that d-bag. He was just spouting that "USC is the best" shiit as the gospel TRUTH, when I really just want to know who was so impressive that they beat. I know Oregon St must have brought kryptonite the night they played USC, but damn they aren't unbeatable. I think USC/FLA would be a hell of a matchup b/c both teams do what they have to do to win. I just don't see it as a blowout is all.

As far as UM beating us last year, I can't say anymore than I already have. Props! You won and I didn't see any reason why they wouldn't have won 10 out of 10 last year. Was that the same team that played for a NC in 2006 or a couple of nights ago? No. Henne/Manningham/Heart just about all had career days on a very, very young and inexperienced D. There it is, as you say. Thanks for the FLA support, brother. I'm glad you like the way they run things.

P.S. On not being perfect, especially in 2006, I would like to see anybody run the schedule they played and come out unscathed. You talked about a bad call in '97 in Neb's favor. How about that awful call against FLA in that AUB game. Chris Leak's arm, moving foward, was called a damn fumble when the gators had goal to go. They reviewed and upheld. What a BS call if I ever saw one. Nobody will every convince me that that was a fumble; if the arm is moving foward, it's not a damn fumble. If they get that call, they could have very well been undefeated with the toughest damn schedule I've ever seen.

[gator]

See A fan like Gator is the real homer that he claims others are.....Has to bring up Michigans title that was a split 10 YEARS AGO!!!! Yeah the horrific schedule that Florida played this year including that recking ball Citadel Should be considered a Title contender.....See I am a true fan of college football and call a spade a spade. If Michigan played that weak ass schedule I would be the first to admit it. Florida's title three years ago was a gift from the media pandering to the masses about not wanting to see a repeat game between Michigan and Ohio State. Please dont give me that shit about non confrence winning teams playing for the national title because that dog wont hunt......They gave the title shot to Oklahoma against LSU after Oklahoma lost in the Big 12 Ttile game several years ago. It is all smoke and mirrors with the bias towards the SEC who plays the NFL typle league schedule every year (KISS MY DICK) and the fact that the BCS president is the comissioner of the SEC seems to make for a favorable title game. Plus dont give me that horseshit that USC lost to Oregon State this year cause Florida lost to Ole Miss (AT HOME for christ sake). That is another load of cow shit to listen to. Oklahoma should not have played in the championship game neither should have Florida for that matter. When the media spouts off that 119 D-1 teams started the season in search of the mythical national title makes me laugh becasue only what 46 teams or so can even begin to realize playing for such title becasue of the confrence tie ins..............BULLSHIT!!!!! To Gator go ahead and cheer for your team they won the game but dont talk shit becasue your team won a mythical championship that the queers in the media and douche bags on some computer poll who never played a game in their lives voted in. Any true fan of college football that watched more than one game a week would see that Florida is not the best team in the country and on a neutral field not in the state of florida would get their dicks handed to them by USC. I am not even an SC fan and can see it from a mile away. So if all you can bring to the table is the fact that SC played NOBODY dude you need to soak your head they played a tougher schedule than The Florida Gators!!!!So if you want to argue please bring it with more than a title split that is older than my kid and a weak ass schedule that you team played compared to anothers I am all for it.

I guess you can't read either. My goodness, you're a DICK (I don't know spades, but I call a dick a dick)! I suppose you thought UM's schedule was harder this year? In fact, when was the last time you can honestly say UM played a harder schedule than FLA? In 2006, it wasn't even close for strenght of schedule and that's why they went over you. Then they proved it on the field when they took your pimp, OSU, to the fucking woodshed. You pick out one game, the Citadel, and act like that's the only team they played this year. Where's the anger for USC playing Washington and Washington St this year, man? They had two fucking wins between them. So yeah, they didn't play anyone! Until they played Penn St, Ohio St was their only marque win, if you want to call it that. I know Oregon ST must have been great by getting up 21-0 on USC, but they lost (I mean got hammered by) Penn St, Utah, Oregon and Stanford (I'll give you this one, it was close). I'm sure you think Oregon St would just take Ole Miss out behind the woodshed, too. Get a clue, dude.

As far as our week ass schedule, all I can say is 3 in a row, holmes! We're the best prepared team in the NC game because we play against it every week. Somebody here brought up the 5-0 PAC 10 bowl game record, and I'll give them credit for that. However, did you even consider when those games were played? The PAC10 had all but one of their games played by Dec 31st. On the other hand, the SEC had only played 2 of their 8 by then. That's 6 bowl games Jan 1st or later, which tends to tell me that they were playing tougher competition than the PAC10 teams.

Further, if it's all about the SEC commish getting he's teams in, what about the undefeated AUB team getting snubbed. That's the last undefeated SEC team (b/c they actually play teams that can beat them every week) that I can remember for a long a$$ time. Just remember this, grasshopper, a one loss SEC team in the NC, is money.

[NCBLUE]

Gator,

Have a little dignity. Yes Florida was crowned champion this year and I thought they deserved to be in the title game but a strong arugument could have been made for USC or Texas as well.

The SEC is the deepest conference but even you would have to admit most of the SEC set-up cupcakes for their out conference games and never travel north. Auburn did a home & home with USC a few years back and what happened.

As much as I kind of enjoyed watching Florida crush oSU I think everyone would agree that was oSU's worst performance of the year by far.

However 2 out 3 is fantastic and Urban has the team primed but give a little credit to Michigan's worst than the score indicated win over your beloved Gators. No one saw it coming but it happened and Superman was very mortal that day.

[Buzz]

Congratulations to the Gators for an oustanding season. I can't give them props for winning the BCS title because the BCS is an abomination. This game is all about ratings. For this year the BCS chose the number one and number three scoring offenses, respectively in the nation to play in this game.

Florida was a team that I thought could of won it all if college football had a multiple team playoff, the other frontrunner...USC, and if this was the BCS matchup, I can tell you that USC would have taken Florida apart.

Both teams played well in that game though, and if you're a Gators fan you should be happy....but this is a Michigan board, nobody really cares about them here.

There's something I don't understand, I have a question.


your '97 UM team was a bunch of pussies and Nebraska would have eaten them for lunch. Feels great, huh? A team from a conference that has won 3 straight NC's and the team that has 2 of those can't get any respect. I'll tell you that our last two outright titles are a damn sight better than that split title shiit you last pulled off.

Gator.......why are you on a Wolverines board trying to defend Florida?

[W0lv3r1n3]

In addition to that gift Nebraska received from the Missouri game, they also nearly lost to Colorado (27-24); a team UM dismantled 27-3. UM deserved the 1997 title, if anything more than this years Florida team.

If you're not going to do anything besides troll and contest championships from 12 years ago, just leave.

[gator]

NCBLUE, I don't know how many times I can say it. Read my post. UM won that day, and they would have won 10 out of 10 times. Props. That's got to be the third time I've said that this post. How much more respect can I give. What do you want me to say? UM would have beaten both of FLA's championship teams? Not once have I argued that FLA is the undisputed champ this year. I beg you to find the quote. All I'm saying is that FLA had just as much argument as the next guy and they won the game that the system put them in, that's it. Nothing more nothing less. USC, IMO, is not a clear favorite over FLA, but definitely the most exciting game we could get.

Others,

As far as bringing up the '97 season, I'll say it again for the 3rd time...I was making a point about the ridiculous arguments by bm&b. Just spouting of that UF was undeserving and would clearly get their ass whipped by USC.

As far as trolling, I feel I'm far from it. I try to debate facts in every post I give. If you want though, I can start spouting SEC dominance, Big10 1-6 in bowl games, and all that shit if you're not going to read my posts for the facts anyway.

[W0lv3r1n3]

If you want though, I can start spouting SEC dominance

What?! You mean you haven't been mentioning the SEC dominance?! In this thread alone...


The SEC owns 3 straight National Championships, that's how people take them serious


They beat the best 2 teams in the Big10. You would have a hard time convincing fans of your own conference that that was an accomplishment.


On not being perfect, especially in 2006, I would like to see anybody run the schedule they played and come out unscathed.


I suppose you thought UM's schedule was harder this year? In fact, when was the last time you can honestly say UM played a harder schedule than FLA?


In 2006, it wasn't even close for strenght of schedule and that's why they went over you.


We're the best prepared team in the NC game because we play against it every week.

Maybe that's why everyone seems a bit pissy?

_____________________________


USC played NOBODY, NOBODY, NOBODY other than OSU on their entire schedule

For the above quote I'll bring up the 5-0 Pac-10 record again. Either the SEC is not "dominate" compared to other conferences, or using you're weaker opponents argument the Big 10's abysmal record is not that bad because they were the obvious underdog in every game they played.

I still respect you more than most others on this board, but I just thought I'd point some things out...

[gator]

What?! You mean you haven't been mentioning the SEC dominance?! In this thread alone...













Maybe that's why everyone seems a bit pissy?

_____________________________



For the above quote I'll bring up the 5-0 Pac-10 record again. Either the SEC is not "dominate" compared to other conferences, or using you're weaker opponents argument the Big 10's abysmal record is not that bad because they were the obvious underdog in every game they played.

I still respect you more than most others on this board, but I just thought I'd point some things out...

I still never said they were undisputed. He asked me how anyone took them serious, so yes, 3 titles in a row is the answer. As for the rest read them in context please. I'm still for a playoff, and I think USC, Texas, and Utah all have gripes. I never said FLA was definitely the best.

[W0lv3r1n3]

You were either directly or indirectly implying SEC superiority in every quote. Jabbing at someone else's non-SEC schedule is the same thing.

And again, I'm not saying you said that Florida should be undisputed, I'm just pointing a few things out.

[blueisbetterthanred]

I'd like to see urban meyer go on national tv and shake whittingham's hand, look him in the eye and tell him that he honestly believes florida is the better team.

[NCBLUE]

Gator, everyone was giving props to Florida and for the most part you have been just enjoying the win but you still have that SEC is gods gift to footbal mentality on some of your posts.

In most years the SEC is the deepest and toughest conference to get through but they are not unbeatable and they seldom travel out of the conference or out of the south to play non-conference games.

Anyway enjoy the win and the ride....good thing about college football is no one stays on top for too long..

[Buzz]

Yeah.....all that and a bag of chips. This is a Michigan board, nobody cares a whole about what UF does.

This isn't Go Gator Go Sports Forum....which I'm sure is very nice. So, I want to ask this question, again.

Gator, why are you on a Wolverines board trying to defend Florida?

[ironhide]

I clearly missed the boat. You rock!
We are just a little tense around here after the beat down we took this season. Just a little ruffled.
Florida rocks! Go Florida! A champion I can root for!

[BlueSpread]

Gotta feel a bit bad for Gator. He's a fan of his team, just like we are. And there are a lot of people that are suggesting that Florida isn't even the 2nd best team in the country right now after they won the title game. Remember how pissed we were when Nebraska got the Osborne sympathy split? It has to be even worse to hear this shit when you WON the game.

Just remember, Gator, Ole' Meeechigan is still the SEC's daddy. ;)

[Sten Carlson]

Gotta feel a bit bad for Gator. He's a fan of his team, just like we are. And there are a lot of people that are suggesting that Florida isn't even the 2nd best team in the country right now after they won the title game. Remember how pissed we were when Nebraska got the Osborne sympathy split? It has to be even worse to hear this shit when you WON the game.

Just remember, Gator, Ole' Meeechigan is still the SEC's daddy. ;)

I don't feel bad in the least about the flack that Gator is taking in here. As someone else pointed out, he is in a Michigan Message Board talking about Florida football.

We were pissed about Nebraska because it was a bullshit career sympathy vote -- they were not perfect, and only tied that one game due to a bought off referee! Kinda like the bullshit NCAA Final between Illinois and UNC -- the outcome of which was decided well before the tip-off. I have refused to watch basketball since that night, as it was the most obviously fixed game, of any sport, that I have ever watched.

I am, by nature, a very suspicious person. I believe that the few continually and nefariously conspire against the many. I believe that all sports, to some extent and some more than others, are fixed, or at the very least, the outcomes are intentionally manipulated. In my opinion, people that deny the existence of "conspiracy" are being naive, as anything that isn't done solo is by definition conspiratorial. History is replete with example after example of powerful people colluding to gain advantage over others, and 99 times out of 100, that advantage is monetary in nature.

College football is big business, and anyone that thinks that the people that run it, or more specifically, the people that have hijacked it, aren't motivated by those vast sums of money are dumber than a wet sack of mice! Our country is being looted by bankers of every stripe, and the BCS cabal is just one of many sharks that are getting while the getting is good. Like the bankers with their derivatives and bad paper, they give nothing, and take everything.

This, to me, is not about Florida per se -- it's about the fact that we the college football fans of the world are told that this is the best that they can do, that this is the only way to unbiasedly identify a true champion, but the conflicts of interest, the bedfellows, and the exclusionary monopolies are brushed under the rug, and if someone (like me) ever raises the point that something stinks, we're told we're morons, conspiracy nuts, and delusional.

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...I am and the Great and Powerful OZ!

I am not saying that Florida isn't a great team, I am saying that the system was rigged for them, and that the people that rigged it are lining their pockets for one reason -- because they CAN! Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. They are filthy, greedy men who live by a code that the average person cannot even fathom -- that is how they get away with so much of their thievery. They have a lie, cheat and steal FIRST mentality, while the average guy in the US is pretty honest, and if you tell him something his so, he's probably going to take your word for it. Better still, if you tell him and show him, he's almost certainly going to believe you. So, you tell him that Oklahoma (not to mention Florida) deserves to be ranked ahead of a team that it lost to, and then you show them over and over and over for a month that they're playing in the "National Championship Game" and people just go with the flow (except for Longhorn nation that is)!

Weapons of Mass Destruction, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Weapons of Mass Destruction...oh wait, er, um, Regime Change, Regime Change, er, um, Global Warming, Global Warming, er, um, yeah right it's actually getting colder in place, Climate Change, Climate Change!

I agree with many of the posters in here that a play off, logistically, would be very difficult to pull off flawlessly. If that is the case, then lets go back to the system we had before, with the traditional bowl match-ups, and let everyone KNOW for certain that the crowning of a "Champion" is a purely arbitrary exercise. Don't patronize us by claiming that you're doing something good for the game, and good for the kids that play it, when all you're really doing is making yourself rich!

College football is a microcosm of our society -- both are sick and being run by thieves, who view us as sheep to be fleeced for their profit. There is a camera on every corner, and every play is under review. The flow of the game is ruined by an obsessive need to make the "right" call, to cram ever more commercials into a finite about of air time, and to extend the bowl season to January 8th. They subjected us to one game per night, to ensure they garnered the ratings, and then tortured us with inane commentators, incessant stoppages, and lackluster outcomes due to teams having over 30 days off between games.

Then there is the whole recruiting fishbowl...which I don't have the stomach to get into again!

Just my two cents...

Trivia Question: what is the one day out of the entire year in which there are no official professional or college football, baseball, basketball, or hockey games being played?

Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

The rant of death.

[blueisbetterthanred]

It ain't a rant if it's the truth!

+1 for conspiracies pointed out. That could be a good thread elsewhere...

[W0lv3r1n3]

I thought RR talked about having a small playoff start AFTER the normal bowl games or something, does anyone remember the details? It was in one of his interviews.

[bleed maize & blue]

Every year their is a flaw with how the teams or chosen to play in the tilte game. One team leaps over others and it is disgusting. I rarely watch bowl games anymore and shake my head at how the media bias every year no matter how bad they get beat in a bowl game the SEC teams should be playing in the NFL because they are the greatest playes and confrence on the planet. You should take all 10 major confrence winners and start a playoff that way all confrences get a hat in the ring. So this way you cant havea team or confrence complaining that you have to be a confrence winner to play for the title like Florida did three years ago when they leap frogged Michigan in the last week of the season. Use the current bowl system to have nuetral fields and have the title game at one of the big time bowl sights. Simplistic and fair. You have to win your confrence to be in no excuses or bitching. Plus it will force ND and all the independent teams to get in a confrence so thier is no more ND getting a favorite vote becasue they are ND to a BCS game.