Lebron James failed

[bighousemike84]

Admittedly, I am not much of a basketball fan and I know that the majority of you on here are Piston fans who probably hate Lebron James. That being siad, I have always been a fan of this guy. I have always respected how good this kid has been and how he has handled the success and fame he has received since he was a teenager.

Now I am really disappointed with the way that he played in the series against the Celtics. I dont want to take anything away from how the Celtics played but I cant imagine how this Cavs team couldnt even make the Finals! I dont think that James can make the excuse that his elbow effected him either, after his explosion in game 3 there are no excuses only failures. He was responsible for this teams success and he did not perform like the MVP that he is supposed to be. It really pissed me off when after game 5, the debacle in Cleveland, James couldnt even own up to his poor play. Instead he made a comment to the effect that he is way to good to apologize for anything "3 bad games in 7 years" my ass. What he should have said is that he screwed up and his team is going to make sure that something like that never, ever happens again. Bottom line, James failed and there is no one else to blame for the Cavs poor play.

[MAIZEandBLUEsuedeshoes]

I didn't get to watch any of the Cavs games, but I'll take your word for it. I wonder how much longer he will be at Cleveland? Hard telling.

I'm not a die hard NBA fan, but I do enjoy watching the playoffs. I just haven't been able to watch any of them.

[rickyleach]

i keep hearing that bron james is one of the greatest ever, i used to think in order to be the greatest you had to win a championship, but barry sanders changed that , but to be the greatest ever you cant give up and pack it in and this is what bron james did. greatest NOT EVEN CLOSE SORRY CAVS FANS ALL YOUR TEAMS SUCK...

[rickyleach]

king james , THATS A JOKE...

[rickyleach]

Labron james is a joke , and so are the cavs,

[Wolvrin704]

The poor Cavs will be a joke now. Wonder if Stern will do anything about this since he said something about collusion when it was first reported Wade, Bosh and Lebron were going to meet and discuss where they would go. I'll laugh if my Bulls win a championship before these 3 jokers do since they have no backup depth now. Shoot half their roster are FA's.

[rickyleach]

james made a huge mistake because he wont win shit in miami and after the first season will regret his move , i wonder if they will carry him around in miami with his burger king throne cap on.

[Silver Bullet]

I wish LeBron nothing but ill will and I hope the Heat implode due to the huge egos that will be the center piece of their team.

[blue in pennsylvania]

Although I didnt like the fact that LJ had a press conference to announce he was going to miami, I dont get the anger in his direction. The three of them are taking less money, less fame, and probably less stats in order to win championships. I remember a man once said the team the team the team. I find it refreshing that winning was put first by these players. Even the money made on the show last night went to a good cause.

[1OSUNUT]

First off they are not taking less money - get that out of your head. That is what they said - but that is not true. The whole time Miami was working sign and trades with Cleveland and Toronto to get both Bosh and James more money - maybe even max deals. I live in Cleveland so I feel I cam speak frankly about James - his method for leaving was classless. If he wanted to go to Miami he should of called Gilbert - then make your announcement, without a special 1 hr show. James came across as ego driven, selfish and classless by driving a stake into the heart of the very region that is guilty of one thing - loving him. I wish him nothing but the worst of luck in Miami. I would also look into seeing if he in fact threw the Boston series this year knowing that if he won the title - there would be to much pressure on him to return, thus ruining the plans he, Bosh and Wade had. What James also did was make many other teams look like fools by thinking he was truely a free agent - that will hurt him. He paraded a bunch of teams into Cleveland to kiss his ass when he knew all along where he was going - also classless. He used to be loved in many cities on the road and those towns bought his shoes, gear and jerseys - those days are gone. He just became hated in some of the biggest markets in the country which will have to hurt his Nike sales - hell he lost New York, LA and Chicago. I can care less where he plays because it does not effect me or my family one way or the other - but for all Ohio has done for James he could of found a better and classier way to depart the city. I only hope that Miami has pissed off the rest of the top teams in the NBA and they will take care of the Heat - untill Cleveland rebuilds to the point where they can do it themself.

[Wolvrin704]

First off they are not taking less money - get that out of your head. That is what they said - but that is not true. The whole time Miami was working sign and trades with Cleveland and Toronto to get both Bosh and James more money - maybe even max deals. I live in Cleveland so I feel I cam speak frankly about James - his method for leaving was classless. If he wanted to go to Miami he should of called Gilbert - then make your announcement, without a special 1 hr show. James came across as ego driven, selfish and classless by driving a stake into the heart of the very region that is guilty of one thing - loving him. I wish him nothing but the worst of luck in Miami. I would also look into seeing if he in fact threw the Boston series this year knowing that if he won the title - there would be to much pressure on him to return, thus ruining the plans he, Bosh and Wade had. What James also did was make many other teams look like fools by thinking he was truely a free agent - that will hurt him. He paraded a bunch of teams into Cleveland to kiss his ass when he knew all along where he was going - also classless. He used to be loved in many cities on the road and those towns bought his shoes, gear and jerseys - those days are gone. He just became hated in some of the biggest markets in the country which will have to hurt his Nike sales - hell he lost New York, LA and Chicago. I can care less where he plays because it does not effect me or my family one way or the other - but for all Ohio has done for James he could of found a better and classier way to depart the city. I only hope that Miami has pissed off the rest of the top teams in the NBA and they will take care of the Heat - untill Cleveland rebuilds to the point where they can do it themself.


I agree with everything you say here because from the start he wanted to play with his friend stars just like he did on the US team so he was going wherever Wade and Bosh went. With that said they all 3 are taking less money per an article I read this morning, although its merely 15M or so less over the life of the 6 year contracts. They're all getting 14-15M per year which is low considering there are several players out there making over 20M.

With all that said I give a little less credence to the Cavs and Gilbert since I find out today that they did a sign and trade with Lebron. If they truly felt betrayed why did they do it? They did it for the draft picks since they were losing him anyways, the Heat did sign and trades so they could give Bosh and Lebron 10.5% raises every year and the players did it so they could win championships, or so they hope. The Heat are going to be one of the most loved and yet hated teams next year.

With all that said I was slightly ticked my Bulls lost out on all 3 players but now that they have signed Boozer, Korver and possibly Reddick I see them being a very well rounded team that could possibly compete in the coming years.

[osusteve]

When the Lakers finally got both Shaq and Kobe together in the summer of 1996, it took them four years (and the addition of coach Phil Jackson) to finally win a championship. Is it really going to be so easy for these guys to win a championship quickly playing along side a bunch of minimum wage role players?

I don't understand why LeBron, Wade and Bosh created so much drama about where they were going to be playing. "The Decision" on ESPN was like reality TV. The big difference here was that LeBron was wasting the time (and playing head games) with billionaire owners like those in Jersey, New York, Chicago, etc. Like Nut said, he has pissed off a lot of wealthy owners and fan bases in major U.S. markets. Is that really beneficial to him?

[amazinblue]

I found all the speculation - interviews - and the "announcement program" pathetic. And, if Stern doesn't find a way to address the collusion associated with this deal, I really wonder how strong of a commissioner he is. But, it really doesn't surprise me - after all, I'm very certain that the reason why Jordan tried minor league baseball for two years is that he was putting some action down on how the Bulls would play - and, Stern didn't have the guts to come out and say it - it was just swept under the rug.

I am all for the building and devleopment of a team. I do find it interesting to compare how the Red Wings built their organization and contrast it to so many other teams in hockey, baseball, football, or basketball.

The only NBA game I'll watch during the year is a deciding game for the NBA Championship - and, I'm not sure if I'll be watching that in years to come.

[blue in pennsylvania]

First off they are not taking less money - get that out of your head. That is what they said - but that is not true. The whole time Miami was working sign and trades with Cleveland and Toronto to get both Bosh and James more money - maybe even max deals. I live in Cleveland so I feel I cam speak frankly about James - his method for leaving was classless. If he wanted to go to Miami he should of called Gilbert - then make your announcement, without a special 1 hr show. James came across as ego driven, selfish and classless by driving a stake into the heart of the very region that is guilty of one thing - loving him. I wish him nothing but the worst of luck in Miami. I would also look into seeing if he in fact threw the Boston series this year knowing that if he won the title - there would be to much pressure on him to return, thus ruining the plans he, Bosh and Wade had. What James also did was make many other teams look like fools by thinking he was truely a free agent - that will hurt him. He paraded a bunch of teams into Cleveland to kiss his ass when he knew all along where he was going - also classless. He used to be loved in many cities on the road and those towns bought his shoes, gear and jerseys - those days are gone. He just became hated in some of the biggest markets in the country which will have to hurt his Nike sales - hell he lost New York, LA and Chicago. I can care less where he plays because it does not effect me or my family one way or the other - but for all Ohio has done for James he could of found a better and classier way to depart the city. I only hope that Miami has pissed off the rest of the top teams in the NBA and they will take care of the Heat - untill Cleveland rebuilds to the point where they can do it themself. How much money could he make if he signed with cleveland? How much would he made in endorsements if he went to NY? He is in fact going to be making less money over the next few years. I didnt like "the decision" but i love that these guys are joining together to win championships. Charles Barkley said that he wouldnt do it because he would want to be the guy, well Charles how many rings do you have being the guy.

[1OSUNUT]

704 -

Trust me it's killing Gilbert and the Cavs fans to do a sign and trade that would help LeBron in any way shape or form - but they almost have no choice. The Cavs did everything in their power to build the roster to the point where the team could win a championship - FOR LeBron. That cost the Cavs their draft picks, their cap space and their ability to improve - because they took on stupid contracts (Gibson,Shaq,Williams,etc) in an effort to provide the best they could to support LeBron. They had to do the sign and trade if they want to be competitive in the future. The sign and trade will provide Cleveland 2 first rounds and 2 second rounds additional. Those can be used to move up in the draft,as trade bait or to sweeten a deal for a Chris Paul, Carmello Anthony, etc down the line. The Cavs will have room next year and draft picks - even though we had to help LeBron to do it.

If the owners would of pulled the kind of crap the players did the fines would be insane. Plus I wonder how involved Pat Riley was behind the scenes and for how long. The more I think about LeBron's actions and the comments of some of his competitors - I really think he threw the playoffs. Just watch his body launguage and lack of emotion. He quit on Cleveland and everybody who loved him as a person to leave for empty promises, riches and a phony lifestyle. He is now just being used and controled by people who just see dollar signs and he is playing for people who will NEVER have the relationship that Northeast Ohio and Akron did. LeBron was always looked at as one of us - a kid that made it on a grand scale. That is all gone now. Even if he never won a championship in Cleveland he would of always been a icon in the city. He would have a bronze image out in front of the Q and he would of been worshiped to the day he died - now he is hated and may not ever be able to come home unless he had insane security around him. If you don't think teams like Orlando, LA, Boston and Chicago are not watching this spectical and thinking - "Bring it on" , your crazy. The can celebrate and predict all they want - they are going to have to play. The Cavs had the best record in the NBA the last two years with LeBron - so having him does not gift wrap a championship. This year there was 4 teams in the semi finals and none of them had LeBron. What the special on Thursday did do was show LeBron's true colors and how poor his surrounding cast really is. Maverick Carter's idea for LeBron to have his own 1hr show backfired horribly. It made his friend and partner look like a bafoon and a egotistical asshole then they tried to throw in - it's all for the kids. It's all about LeBron. It was a show designed by LeBron, for LeBron, about LeBron - period. I find it funny how at the same time Kevin Durant signed a 5 year extention to stay in little old Oklahoma City - without any fan fair or TV special. That is the big difference between LeBron and guys like Duncan, Kobe, MJ,Bird, Magic and many of the legends of the game - the game came first. Nothing was more important then winning championships - the old fashion way, with hard work. They did not care about TV, movies, stardom or all the other outside distractions - it was about basketball. The other things came their way only after they were already NBA champions - but in never replaced basketball as prority #1. With LeBron basketball almost seems like its #2 behind expanding his brand - whatever the hell that means.

To me a TRUE legend is a person who makes his team into a champion. You never saw MJ, Bird, Magic, Isah, Kobe, Russell or others leave to the highest bidder or to the team that was currently the best - they just worked harder. How many titles could MJ have if he just bee bopped around to the best team. That is why LeBron will NEVER be mentioned as one of the greatest no matter how many titles he may or may not win. Because if he does win a title it will be tarnished because of how he did it. I do not paint a guy like Kevin Garnett with that brush because he spent many many years in Minnesota when they sucked - and never bailed. He waited till he was late in his carreer - LeBron is in his ultimate prime. Look at the years that Chicago, New York and Detroit battled for control of the East - that was competition at its best. If the Bulls won - it mad the Pistons and Knicks work harder, and vise versa. But when you did win - it made it more special because of the blood, sweat and tears it took to get there. Could you imagine Isah Thomas or Joe Dumars joining the Bulls because they could not beat them ? How would that effect how you view them now. The titles that the Bulls and Pistons have were earned through intense battles and IMO mean more to those involved then anything else. Nothing was done the easy way and no short cuts were taken - that is what the meaning of champion is to me. That is why no matter how much you hated the Pistons or their style of play - you had damn better respect them. LeBron ruined in one hour what took him 25 years to build - and for that I feel sorry for him. I just wonder if when he is alone with his thoughts and away from all the media and attention - does he regret this choice. He no longer has the ability to come home and went from the most beloved person in Northeast Ohio - to one that is flat out hated. I do not know what a soul sells for - but I hope he got enough for his.

[rickyleach]

one thing is for sure , lobone james is a follower ,NOT A LEADER , IN CLEVELAND HE COULDNT MAKE PLAYERS BETTER AND GET IT DONE , poor leadership skills.

[blue in pennsylvania]

LeBron did not throw the playoffs. You think if he wins a championship his legacy is tarnished and I think his legacy will be glorified. Thats the thing no matter what he did there will be people who say what he did was wrong. If I were Lebron I wouldnt care what some guy who never did anything on this stage thinks of me. Thats why I am impressed with his decision to go to the Heat because it gives him a greater chance to win a championship. If thats whats really important to him I say good for him. Winning should always come first, before $$$ or ego.

[rickyleach]

LeBron did not throw the playoffs. You think if he wins a championship his legacy is tarnished and I think his legacy will be glorified. Thats the thing no matter what he did there will be people who say what he did was wrong. If I were Lebron I wouldnt care what some guy who never did anything on this stage thinks of me. Thats why I am impressed with his decision to go to the Heat because it gives him a greater chance to win a championship. If thats whats really important to him I say good for him. Winning should always come first, before $$$ or ego.

lebron took the easy wrong over the hard right and he will pay for it , if you think he can win the title with those three guys ,YOU ARE MISTAKIN, IT WONT HAPPEN ,

[blue in pennsylvania]

Why wont they win a championship. Boston is getting old, Cleveland is done, I believe las vegas has made the heat the favorite in the east. Dwayne has already won a title and Pat Riley has some titles so I think they will win. So YOU ARE MISTAKIN, IT WILL HAPPEN.

[Wolvrin704]

I agree Miami will be a tough team in the playoffs but I don't see them actually being the best during the regular season with their depth issues. They need a PG so are looking at Fisher who is what, 35 years old? They just traded away the best backup player they could have had in Beasley which shows they are only building for the near future. They're hoping to retain one of their centers and about half of their roster if FA's, but I'm sure some will want to stay now, but at league minimum? Doubtful. But as I said in the playoffs they'll be dangerous so the only question is how fresh can they stay and make it all the way. Luckily for them they have Wade and Riley to help guide them through but still I don't see a dynasty here, I think the Celtics can still compete for another year or 2 and the Lakers still present a formidable challenge. Not to mention the Bulls are also getting better so not exactly an easy road but certainly feasible that they can win one in the next 2-3 years.

[blue in pennsylvania]

No depth, lots of league minimums, only 3 good players. These arguements were the same arguements when the big 3 were put together in Boston. Did Boston have the home court in the playoffs the past two years? No. I really think that there will be a surprising number of good players that will want to play for this team. My feeling is that these 3 will open up the court for their teamates in turn elevating their play. Also you have to consider these 3 players are in their prime right now, and will have the next 6 years to win.

[osusteve]

First, Bosh and LeBron can opt out of their contracts after four years. As I pointed out in an earlier post, it took Kobe and Shaq (in their prime) and the addition of Coach Phil Jackson four years to win their first title together.

What the Heat are doing has never been done (i.e. gutting the entire roster and adding two superstars to their one in hand.) Guys like Derek Fisher and Shaq are not likely to come to this team and accept minimum wage. Fisher can make a lot more money in L.A. and win another championship.

During the NBA playoffs this year, role players really made the difference. Remember Kobe's shitty final game? The Lakers role players were great. Remember, Boston had Rasheed Wallace to step in when their center went down and he gave them great minutes? The lack of quality depth the Heat will have could kill them in the playoffs.

[1OSUNUT]

First off Boston did not have 3 max guys on the roster when they put the team together - Miami does. That greatly hampers their ability to build a quality roster around the so called 3 Kings. I fully expect Fisher to resign with the Lakers for several reasons - one he is Kobe's best friend on the team and a leader and two his daughter needs the medical attention she is getting in LA. What NOBODY is talking about is - what if one of the three get injured ? Then what. Chris Bosh has only played 71 and 77 games the last two years. If the Heat lose one of the three - they are toast. Plus nobody is talking about Orlando. They are still pretty damn loaded and I don't see a guy on the Miami roster that can guard Howard. In he NBA you have to have a solid 5 and some kind of quality bench - I don't see Miami having enough quality. Derek Fisher is just trying to make LA nervous - he is not leaving. Let's hope what Gilbert said was true and LeBron takes the Cleveland curse with him.

[Wolvrin704]

I totally agree NUT in that if any of these guys get hurt they are toast. They can however offer more than minimum since all 3 took slightly less than max and they traded Beasley. The question is can they get guys who are good enough to rest them and accept their roles? I'm not so sure. I also still think trading Beasley was a mistake unless they would rather have experience and quantity over youth and quality.

That's why I still see Boston being better for a few more years, Orlando (who I did forget about), Chicago is an up and comer and Atlanta could even get better. With all that said if all 3 guys make it to the playoffs healthy and not worn down they could be a very dangerous combination. But without role players I'm not sure they can break through all the way. They will be subject to a huge amount of pressure and criticism over the next 4-6 years as well.

[1OSUNUT]

I understand that but they only have 4 players actually signed to contracts. They have to find players that will accept less money then other teams will pay them - for a chance to win a ring. I think it will be tough. The Bulls already had the #1 rebounding team in basketball - and they added Boozer. I see them as having two of the best garbage collectors in basketball with he and Noah. I think they will be very tough this year along with Boston and Orlando. I don't think Atlanta will be that much of a challenger untill they learn to play togetheras a team - if they do they will be a tough out as well. I also think Cleveland will be a playoff team. You have a roster full of guys that are used to winning and Byron Scott is a HUGE upgrade on the bench. If he could get the NETS to the finals (twice) he can improve the Cavs. The Cavs will add a few players - possibly Chandler and will look much different. I'm excited to see the new Cavs and I expect them to carry a chip on their shoulder. Are they contenders - no. Miami will have a HUGE target on them and it will be a traveling circus - expect boo's everywhere.

[blue in pennsylvania]

From what I have read new the big 3 did not sign max contracts, and the Heat have already started to add the right pieces to fit their teams needs. As far as injuries are concerned Ill take my chances. We are talking about 3 guys in their 20's that have only been in the league 7 or so years. Also if 1 star gets hurt they still have 2 more stars. As far as cleveland making the playoffs, who cares. The cavs owner has just killed his teams chances of getting a star free agent in the future because he blasted a guy that gave his heart and soul for the last 7 years. Why would anybody go to cleveland knowing if he leaves he gets ripped. And whats with the guarantee? He guarantees that the cavs win a championship before LJ. What is the guarantee? Do the fans get their money back? The owner is a fool.

[blue in pennsylvania]

I also think Cleveland will be a playoff team. You have a roster full of guys that are used to winning and Byron Scott is a HUGE upgrade on the bench. If he could get the NETS to the finals (twice) he can improve the Cavs.

Great prediction nut.

[1OSUNUT]

Karma is a bitch LeBron - I wish you nothing but continued misery.

[blueisbetterthanred]

Most experts pre-season said Miami wouldn't be ready until year 2. Go back and look at 90% of all the predictions that had Lakers/Celtics this year as the finals.

I find myself liking Wade, despite a couple missteps during the playoffs. He works hard, he doesn't make excuses the majority of the time, and he has some damn good talent.

Most of my hate for LeBron vanished when he left o-lie-o... strange...

It was all over once Pippen opened his mouth saying LeBron was MJ status, he wasn't the same after that. I expect Riley to take over and make him grow up fast.

[Shauneyboy68]

Most experts pre-season said Miami wouldn't be ready until year 2. Go back and look at 90% of all the predictions that had Lakers/Celtics this year as the finals.

I find myself liking Wade, despite a couple missteps during the playoffs. He works hard, he doesn't make excuses the majority of the time, and he has some damn good talent.

Most of my hate for LeBron vanished when he left o-lie-o... strange...

It was all over once Pippen opened his mouth saying LeBron was MJ status, he wasn't the same after that. I expect Riley to take over and make him grow up fast.

Meh. Bosch is disgusted with Lebron. Wade blew up at Lebron for 8 seconds on live television. Lebron continues to dig his own grave. Miami needs a scapegoat.

Things get worse there before they get any better (tuos anyone?). I won't be shocked if Bosch is traded. I won't be shocked if Lebron asks to be traded.

Cracks have opened up between the King, Wade, and esp. Bosch, and in those cracks the egos of these three have sown the seeds of dissention.

[The Michigan Man]

Meh. Bosch is disgusted with Lebron. Wade blew up at Lebron for 8 seconds on live television. Lebron continues to dig his own grave. Miami needs a scapegoat.

Things get worse there before they get any better (tuos anyone?). I won't be shocked if Bosch is traded. I won't be shocked if Lebron asks to be traded.

Cracks have opened up between the King, Wade, and esp. Bosch, and in those cracks the egos of these three have sown the seeds of dissention.

As a Pistons fan, I have disliked LBJ from day 1, he never fooled me. While I do feel bad for anything that causes suffering to my adopted city of Cleveland (aside from Detroit victories over their teams), Cavs fans created this monster; you decided to call a 19 year old “King James” / “The Chosen One”, hang 10 story banners from building across from the arena, and then act surprised that the guy is an egomaniac.

I think that LBJ is very confused about the concept of winning a championship; besides the legacy and accomplishment associated with it, earning a lifetime of undying love and respect from your fans is a major motivator in pursuing a championship. LBJ had that and squandered it; he will win a championship(s) with Miami, but will never be in such a unique and gratifying relationship with a fan base ever again. To me that will render any championship more hollow than if he did what Nowitski did and remained loyal, grinding out a championship for the fans that have supported him throughout his career.

[Shauneyboy68]

I think a HUGE part about why Lebron was so well loved in Cleveland is that he seemed to be something he wasn't. For the first 6 years there... hell, for the first 7 years there, up until that series with Boston, Lebron seemed to "get it." Very rarely did he commit the gaffes that now seem to occur every time he opens his mouth. He was a good kid, an unselfish, non-prima donna player that said all the right things, did all the right things.

And then his mask fell off and the real Lebron reared its ugly head.

So no, I don't lay the blame at Cleveland fans. They had the best player in the NBA, the brightest star in a town that knows little else but misery and carcinogens. How can you blame them?

[The Michigan Man]

I think a HUGE part about why Lebron was so well loved in Cleveland is that he seemed to be something he wasn't. For the first 6 years there... hell, for the first 7 years there, up until that series with Boston, Lebron seemed to "get it." Very rarely did he commit the gaffes that now seem to occur every time he opens his mouth. He was a good kid, an unselfish, non-prima donna player that said all the right things, did all the right things.

And then his mask fell off and the real Lebron reared its ugly head.

So no, I don't lay the blame at Cleveland fans. They had the best player in the NBA, the brightest star in a town that knows little else but misery and carcinogens. How can you blame them?

I think its great to be excited about a player, but the mania surrounding LBJ in Cleveland was out of control. Cleveland is just like that - they draft a kid and sell thousands of jerseys before he even does anything (ahem, Brady Quinn), they exist on hope alone. There are more useless jerseys in Cleveland than anywhere else in the country (walk around at a Browns tailgate and take in the Green, Winslow, Couch, Anderson, Garcia, Holcomb, etc. jerseys that everyone bought in a frenzy)! I don't think any other city would have taken LBJ's exodus as seriously

[Shauneyboy68]

I think its great to be excited about a player, but the mania surrounding LBJ in Cleveland was out of control. Cleveland is just like that - they draft a kid and sell thousands of jerseys before he even does anything (ahem, Brady Quinn), they exist on hope alone. There are more useless jerseys in Cleveland than anywhere else in the country (walk around at a Browns tailgate and take in the Green, Winslow, Couch, Anderson, Garcia, Holcomb, etc. jerseys that everyone bought in a frenzy)! I don't think any other city would have taken LBJ's exodus as seriously

It's 15 years later and people in Orlando still hate Shaq.