Rich beat OU in a January Bowl, so.........

[ronleflore]

;)
Since 2003, OU lost January Bowl games to LSU, USC, Boise State, West Virginia (RR) and now Gators. OU is a tremendous program under Stoops, having played in three BCS championships since 2002. Most of us remember Boise States' hook and ladder, and statue of liberty to win on a two-point conversion, over a highly favored OU team.

The fact that RR beat OU in a January Bowl is impressive. I think RR deserves four years to prove himself. Any coach does. But so many fans are accepting 3-9 as part of the transition. RR had much more talent on the field, let alone his much ballyhooed training facilities, and 100 plus thousand fans in the stands, and could not beat Toledo and NW. That is flat out un-acceptable.


M never lost to a MAC team, and please don't blame this on Lloyd, it is just too easy. RR has plenty of upside and I still am a fan. But lets keep up some standards

[sbblue32]

I hope your not talking about last year's Fiesta game because Bill Stewart won that one genius!!

[The Michigan Man]

I hope your not talking about last year's Fiesta game because Bill Stewart won that one genius!!

The team that beat OU was RR's. His recruits, his personnel, his playbook. The fact that his assistant was on the sidelines in the final game of the year doesn't take away the fact that it was RR's team who won that game.

[eyesoftexas]

;)
Since 2003, OU lost January Bowl games to LSU, USC, Boise State, West Virginia (RR) and now Gators. OU is a tremendous program under Stoops, having played in three BCS championships since 2002. Most of us remember Boise States' hook and ladder, and statue of liberty to win on a two-point conversion, over a highly favored OU team.

The fact that RR beat OU in a January Bowl is impressive. I think RR deserves four years to prove himself. Any coach does. But so many fans are accepting 3-9 as part of the transition. RR had much more talent on the field, let alone his much ballyhooed training facilities, and 100 plus thousand fans in the stands, and could not beat Toledo and NW. That is flat out un-acceptable.


M never lost to a MAC team, and please don't blame this on Lloyd, it is just too easy. RR has plenty of upside and I still am a fan. But lets keep up some standards

I like Bob Stoops, a good coach. He's been to 3 NC games and he has a "tremendous program." JT's been to 3 NC games and he's constantly laughed at by this website and by the media. UM would gladly have either coach's record in the last 8 years. So would Mark May for Pitt or Lou Holtz for ND.

[sbblue32]

The team that beat OU was RR's. His recruits, his personnel, his playbook. The fact that his assistant was on the sidelines in the final game of the year doesn't take away the fact that it was RR's team who won that game.

Well just because it was his team it doesn't make it a win for him? In the all-time records it was Bill Stewart's win. Rich was already in Michigan for at least a couple of weeks. Using your logic that is like saying Rich deserves half the wins this year for West Virginia because they are his recruits and Pat White is his player. Bill Stewart won that game against OU.

[Buzz]

I like Bob Stoops, a good coach. He's been to 3 NC games and he has a "tremendous program." JT's been to 3 NC games and he's constantly laughed at by this website and by the media. UM would gladly have either coach's record in the last 8 years. So would Mark May for Pitt or Lou Holtz for ND.

What? You're talking about the winningest program in college football history....hell Stoops learned how to play football while getting his @ss kicked by guys wearing the winged helmet, knucle head.

Michigan has forgotten more football then most programs have ever known. No, it's more like they would gladly have Michigan's record and history.

[The Michigan Man]

Well just because it was his team it doesn't make it a win for him? In the all-time records it was Bill Stewart's win. Rich was already in Michigan for at least a couple of weeks. Using your logic that is like saying Rich deserves half the wins this year for West Virginia because they are his recruits and Pat White is his player. Bill Stewart won that game against OU.

The only thing different from the last game of the regular season and the bowl game for WV was that RR was not on the sidelines. I could have stepped in and coached that game instead of Stewart with the same results, let's be real here.

[bigboyBlue]

Well just because it was his team it doesn't make it a win for him? In the all-time records it was Bill Stewart's win. Rich was already in Michigan for at least a couple of weeks. Using your logic that is like saying Rich deserves half the wins this year for West Virginia because they are his recruits and Pat White is his player. Bill Stewart won that game against OU.

Last I checked all the coordinators and staff who left for Michigan went back to coach the WVU-OK game, including Calvin Magee, who was calling the offensive plays. Call it a Bill Stewart win, but he didn't even call the game. Tough to give him credit for it, sorry.

[RADRACING]

The team that beat OU was RR's. His recruits, his personnel, his playbook. The fact that his assistant was on the sidelines in the final game of the year doesn't take away the fact that it was RR's team who won that game.

Only thing is he wasn't the coach. You can't take credit for something you didn't do, and besides everyone beats OU in bowl games, that isn't even an accomplishment.

[1OSUNUT]

In RR's last game at WVU he crapped the bed against Pitt with a NC berth on the line - remember.:D

[The Michigan Man]

Only thing is he wasn't the coach. You can't take credit for something you didn't do, and besides everyone beats OU in bowl games, that isn't even an accomplishment.


In RR's last game at WVU he crapped the bed against Pitt with a NC berth on the line - remember.:D

"Some men you just can't reach..."

[Swoosh]

RR was on BO's list of top coaches, just like our Basketball coach who is now everyone's favorite, RR will be soon.

Yes MI football had some talent this year, but the wrong talent IMO. Plus there was no buy in from the upper classmen this year. At times they did buy in and the played great. MI almost beat Utah and played with them well.

Tressel is a good coach, his teams seem to suffer in the second half of big games, just something I notice.

If Pryor does not learn how to throw the football, it's going to be a long season for him IMO.

[1OSUNUT]

It will be a long season for Michigan next year. IMO :D

[Mich97c]

It will be a long season for Michigan next year. IMO :D

So you're predicting a BCS bowl for us? Cuz missing a bowl game this year made the season pretty short.

[ronleflore]

In RR's last game at WVU he crapped the bed against Pitt with a NC berth on the line - remember.:D

Exactly. The Big East was not a powerhouse, when RR was there either. Rutgers and Louisville are not perennial top 10 teams. John L Smith came from Louisville and just about destroyed MSU.

3-9 was not Lloyd's fault as some are trying to paint. RR will do well, but it seemed he was not prepared for games or the media. Big fish in a little pool went to a Mammoth pool!

In the end, an idiot could win at M given national recruiting, regardless of coach, facilities, exposure, big house, helmet etc.

Lloyd's recruiting classes were routinely Top 5 nationally.In the end, his classes ended up ranked aroung 15!

[Swoosh]

It will be a long season for Michigan next year. IMO :D

If history repeats in RR case, I believe you are wrong;)

[1OSUNUT]

I like the RR mo. Win a fair amount of games then lose to your rival. He is already 0-1 vs JT.

[Sten Carlson]

Exactly. The Big East was not a powerhouse, when RR was there either. Rutgers and Louisville are not perennial top 10 teams. John L Smith came from Louisville and just about destroyed MSU.

3-9 was not Lloyd's fault as some are trying to paint. RR will do well, but it seemed he was not prepared for games or the media. Big fish in a little pool went to a Mammoth pool!

In the end, an idiot could win at M given national recruiting, regardless of coach, facilities, exposure, big house, helmet etc.

Lloyd's recruiting classes were routinely Top 5 nationally.In the end, his classes ended up ranked aroung 15!

Hey Ron, welcome to the board.

You've made some auspicious statements right out of the gate.

No, 3-9 was not Lloyd's fault, as is it is was not the proximate cause, i.e., in an negligence suit he would win. But, his lack of attention, and over all stagnation of the program was a serious contributing factor to Michigan low point last year, and RR's inaugural bludgeoning. I am not sure if Carr was getting top 5 recruiting classes, but they were certainly top 20 most years. However, talent coming in was not the problem.

The issue, and why RR's first year was so rocky, was that the talent coming in (especially on the defensive side of the ball, and in the d secondary since '97) hasn't really developed. Michigan has sent a lot of players to the NFL, and they are well represented in this season's playoffs and Pro Bowl. However, Michigan has been had an underachieving culture for many years now, and that was 100% Carr's fault.

I agree with you that RR is going to win, and I think that he was prepared for the media and the attention (although I think the hate from WV threw him off, and the hate from UM fans as well), what I think RR certainly wasn't prepared for was the total lack of QB talent and offensive line experience. Not much you can do when your QB cannot run nor throw, and you OL (at least in the beginning of the season) couldn't block anyone.

He jumped at the chance to be in Ann Arbor, and I'd be willing to bet that he didn't hesitate nor ask to look through the program before he decided -- he just packed his bags and headed out! And who can blame him, it's Michigan after all.

As a result, he found himself in a situation that I'd be willing to bet he didn't anticipate skill and experience wise, and surrounded by fans that expected a winning season, but without a solid handle on the actual state the program was in.