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GoBlue21
12-01-2008, 09:17 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3735383

Oklahoma jumps Texas in BCS standings to claim Big 12 South

NEW YORK -- A week before the final standings are released and the Bowl Championship Series is already ticking people off.

Oklahoma -- not Texas -- is headed to the Big 12 championship game with an inside track to the national title game by moving ahead of the Longhorns in the BCS standings Sunday.

Texas' victory against the Sooners in October wasn't enough to give the Longhorns the advantage in a three-way tie between the Red River rivals and Texas Tech atop the Big 12 South. And that's sure to leave many in Austin dismayed -- at the least.

"Going into the last couple of weeks, we knew that a good team was going to be left out of the Big 12 championship. Unfortunately, in this situation, it was us," Texas coach Mack Brown said in a statement. "It is what it is. We don't like it, we don't agree with it or think it's fair, but, like anything else, we'll handle it and move forward."

The Big 12 had to use its fifth tiebreaker, best BCS rating, to determine which team will play North winner Missouri on Saturday in Kansas City, Mo.

Poll Positions
The top five of the BCS standings released Sunday:

1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. USC

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe said the conference will revisit its tiebreak procedure after the season.

"The tiebreak process currently in place was carefully considered and voted upon by our athletics directors years ago, although I doubt they envisioned the scenario we have this year with a tie including the No. 2 and 3 teams in the country in one of our divisions," Beebe said Sunday in a conference call. "The use of the BCS standings is one of multiple steps used and occurs when other steps in the process are unable to break the tie.

"As part of our season review, other tiebreak options will be assessed, and presented for consideration."

The Sooners (11-1), who lost to Texas 45-35 in October, barely edged the Longhorns. Oklahoma has a .9351 BCS average. Texas' BCS average is .9223.

Oklahoma was a point ahead of Texas in the USA Today coaches' poll and six points behind the Longhorns in the Harris Interactive. The computer ratings preferred the Sooners and that made the difference.

"They don't have agendas, they don't have loyalties, they don't have opinions. They don't have all the bias that everyone else does," Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said. "And if you say no one else does, then I don't think you're really being truthful."

So the Longhorns will be watching two teams they beat play for the conference title, rooting for Missouri.

Oklahoma is second in the BCS standings behind unbeaten Alabama. Texas is third and Florida is fourth.

The winner of the Southeastern Conference championship game between the Crimson Tide and Gators is virtually guaranteed a spot in the BCS national title game on Jan. 8 in Miami.

Oklahoma would earn the other spot by beating Missouri. If the Sooners lose, it could open the door for Texas to go to the national title game, despite not playing for its conference championship.

If voters are squeamish about letting a team that didn't win its conference play for a national championship, maybe Southern California could get a shot at the SEC champ in South Florida.

The Trojans are fifth in the BCS standings with a game to go at rival UCLA.

The Sooners were behind Texas last week in the BCS standings by a tiny margin. The Sooners actually led the Longhorns in the polls, but a week ago the computers had Texas ahead of Oklahoma.

After the Sooners' 61-41 victory Saturday night against Oklahoma State -- 14th in the latest standings -- and the Longhorns' 49-9 win over lowly Texas A&M on Thanksgiving night, the polls tightened but the computers flipped.

The strength of the Big 12 South led to this new BCS controversy, with the top three teams in the conference each finishing 11-1.

After beating Oklahoma and jumping to No. 1 in the polls, Texas (11-1) lost at Texas Tech 39-33 on Nov. 1. The Red Raiders (11-1), No. 2 at the time, then lost at Oklahoma 65-21 on Nov. 22.

The lopsided loss dropped Texas Tech way back. The Red Raiders were seventh in Sunday's standings.

After beating Texas Tech, Stoops touted his team publicly. But later in the week, Stoops passed on a chance make another pitch to poll voters and said the politicking that's become a part of the BCS was making more coaches favor a major college playoff.

"I don't think anyone's been comfortable with this," said Stoops, who declined an opportunity to be interviewed on ESPN during the Texas-Texas A&M game. "All parts for the last couple or three weeks, it's been aggravating more than anything."

Brown, maybe sensing that his team was in danger of losing its spot, did his best to campaign for the 'Horns without slighting the Sooners in several national television and radio interviews last week. Brown did a telephone interview with ABC's announcers during the Oklahoma-Oklahoma State broadcast.

Brown has stopped short of supporting a playoff, saying only that the BCS is flawed.

Brown also lamented the Big 12's tiebreaker system, which removed the head-to-head element. In other leagues, such as the SEC, a similar three-way division tie would be settled by eliminating the lowest rated team in the BCS standings, then reverting back to head-to-head results between the remaining teams.

"I think their systems are fairer and give more credit to how the two highest ranked teams performed against each other on the field," he said.

But ultimately, the Longhorns' victory against Oklahoma couldn't trump the Sooners' surge over the past two months.

"That was very disappointing because we had finished the season so strong and done so well against the two teams that are playing in the game," Texas quarterback Colt McCoy said. "But, we had a great team meeting and Coach Brown pushed all of the positives with us, like he always does. He told us that it was okay to be disappointed but after the meeting it was time to move forward and be prepared to get ready for a big bowl game."

Oklahoma has scored at least 60 points in its past four games, and has won its past five games by at least 20 points.

Though it's not as if Texas has been struggling down the stretch. The Longhorns' only loss came on Graham Harrell's touchdown pass to Michael Crabtree with 1 second left in the game. That was also the fourth of four consecutive games for the Longhorns against teams ranked in the top 11 of the AP poll.

Since losing to the Red Raiders, Texas has won three games by a combined score of 129-37.

Plus 1
12-02-2008, 12:37 AM
Everyone yells every year "We need a Playoff!!!". I thought a playoff is supposed to be about teams playing it off "On the Field", "head to head" to determine the NC, but that evidently isn't what is, or Texas would be ahead of Oklahoma right now where they should be, since they did thump them "on the field" by 10 points, and outplayed them to boot. If they are not going to give the obvious credit to the team that wins "on the field" then how are they going to have a playoff???

I don't know what's with this Oklahoma love affair that someone has, but I think back to 2003 when Oklahoma lost 35-7 to Kansas St. in the b-12 C game and only fell 1 place from #1 to #2 and played #1 LSU {coaches poll} in the BCS NC Game. That stinks to high heaven, and of course they lost. Everyone knows that USC {#1 AP poll} and LSU should have played each other that year.

I hope Alabama body slams Florida and crushes Oklahoma in the NC.:confused:

There's only 2 teams in the SEC this year that's worth a hoot. Tennessee sucks, Auburn is horrible, Arkansas stinks, LSU is lousy including a nc loss to Troy. Georgia was way overrated and they lost out of conf as well to GT of the ACC. It was'nt just a matter of the SEC beating it'sself this year, as these SEC teams had their share of non-conference losses. The SEC as a whole is nothing special anymore.
It looks like the SEC overall isn't anything special anymore, that did'nt last long.

I only hope Alabama wins because they haven't won one in almost 20 years, and I can't take Bob Stoops going on ESPN and trying to justify losing to Texas and jumping them in the BCS, and I never did care for Urban Meyer even when he was at BG and Utah. I don't care that much for Nic Saban either but of the 3, I guess right now he's the best choice. YUK!!!:rolleyes:

OBTW: USC would kick Oklahoma's butt over their shoulders!!!

bluefan
12-02-2008, 07:40 AM
For S uck 1:
1. LSU beat Troy.
2.I doubt USC would whoop Oklahoma like you think.

For normal people:
3.How in the hell can a conference come up with a tie breaker formula and f-ing remove head-to-head from the equation? Does that seem totally f-ing asinine to anyone else? What the fukc?!

amazinblue
12-02-2008, 10:31 AM
For S uck 1:
1. LSU beat Troy.
2.I doubt USC would whoop Oklahoma like you think.

For normal people:
3.How in the hell can a conference come up with a tie breaker formula and f-ing remove head-to-head from the equation? Does that seem totally f-ing asinine to anyone else? What the fukc?!

After the reboot of the site, I thought we were going to focus on intelligent comments. So much for wishful thinking.

First, The Big 12 race - if it was a two way tie, I believe the first tie breaker is head to head - which would have given Texas the nod over Oklahoma. Unfortunately for Texas, it was a three way tie - so, any discussion of "head to head" really needs to include Texas Tech, which makes all three teams 1-1 in head to head competition.

I do believe that Texas got the short end of the stick. And, that the Big 12's tie breakers should never have relied on "BCS rankings" to determine their representative. They should either have done what the SEC did, and eliminate the lowest ranked team - and then relied on "head to head" - or, had the AD's vote to determine their representative. In any case, the Big 12 AD's are at fault for relying on the BCS - and all it's subjectivity - to determine the division champion.

I also think, as I've written elsewhere, that you've got to be a conference champion to play for the MNC. If you don't win your conference, you've got no right playing for the MNC. What happened with Nebraska, Florida State, and Oklahoma in prior years is just proof of that.

And, though I may not think Oklahoma's the best team in the land, they certainly wouldn't get "their butt kicked over their shoulders" by anyone.

Plus 1
12-04-2008, 04:32 PM
For S uck 1:
1. LSU beat Troy.
2.I doubt USC would whoop Oklahoma like you think.

For normal people:
3.How in the hell can a conference come up with a tie breaker formula and f-ing remove head-to-head from the equation? Does that seem totally f-ing asinine to anyone else? What the fukc?!

For Bluefool:

I see you're still as foul mouthed as ever, the terrorists should have attacked your filthy mouth instead of this site.!!!!!:eek:


LSU beat Troy??? Not really, only on the score board!!!!!!!!!!! I do however stand corrected on the score. It was 31-3 Troy the last time I saw the score, half way through the 3rd quarter. Troy must have had a million turnovers in the 4th. I hate to be corrected by a mental deficient, but you can't win em all. Let's put it this way, LSU still stinks this year anyway you look at it.!!! How do you let Troy get you down 31-3 in the first place ?????


No one thinks Oklahoma will get whooped until they acually get to the Bowl Game. The last time they played USC in a bowl game it was billed as a great game as well. Final Score; USC-55 Oklahoma-19!!! idiot!!! :confused:

Wolvrin704
12-04-2008, 04:41 PM
For Bluefool:

I see you're still as foul mouthed as ever, the terrorists should have attacked your filthy mouth instead of this site.!!!!!:eek:


LSU beat Troy??? Not really, only on the score board!!!!!!!!!!!


No one thinks Oklahoma will get whooped until they acually get to the Bowl Game. The last time they played USC in a bowl game it was billed as a great game as well. Final Score; USC-55 Oklahoma-19!!! idiot!!! :confused:

You are as delusional as ever. LSU only beat Troy on the scoreboard? As if it counts anywhere else? Thats the ONLY place it counts. Thats what you guys always drum into our heads.

That Oklahoma team is long gone, I wouldn't mind seeing what this one can do. But of course this team did lose last year to WVU so they must be bad since their system is no good from what you guys tell us.

Plus 1
12-04-2008, 05:19 PM
You are as delusional as ever. LSU only beat Troy on the scoreboard? As if it counts anywhere else? Thats the ONLY place it counts. Thats what you guys always drum into our heads.

That Oklahoma team is long gone, I wouldn't mind seeing what this one can do. But of course this team did lose last year to WVU so they must be bad since their system is no good from what you guys tell us.



All of this "I must correct everyone in the World" attitude of yours {talk about delusions} doesn't change the fact that LSU stinks!!!
Yes it only counts on the scoreboard! I stand corrected again by Mr. Perfect, thank you kind sir. It must be an awful burden to carry all that greatness around on your back!!! What a great guy!!!
Speaking of scores counting how about 42-7 wooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!:D
It's times like this that I wish Tressel would have taken his foot off the brake and pushed on the gas pedal in that game.

Wolvrin704
12-04-2008, 08:22 PM
All of this "I must correct everyone in the World" attitude of yours {talk about delusions} doesn't change the fact that LSU stinks!!!
Yes it only counts on the scoreboard! I stand corrected again by Mr. Perfect, thank you kind sir. It must be an awful burden to carry all that greatness around on your back!!! What a great guy!!!
Speaking of scores counting how about 42-7 wooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!:D
It's times like this that I wish Tressel would have taken his foot off the brake and pushed on the gas pedal in that game.

No you are wrong, I only correct trolls, especially you.

Does LSU stink? Yes they do. But you are the one that keeps saying that Troy beat them while we're all sitting here trying to figure out where you figure that at since the scoreboard and W/L standings both show that LSU won.
I am under no delusions, I know I have many faults. I'm at least willing to admit it.

bluefan
12-05-2008, 02:18 PM
For Bluefool:

I see you're still as foul mouthed as ever, the terrorists should have attacked your filthy mouth instead of this site.!!!!!:eek:

:

I see you're still the biggest a$$hole on the board. How's your church and faith treating you? I see you're not too big on the Golden Rule. I always look forward to seeing how you show your hypocrisy next. Of all the people to call someone else a fool....