WTF?! Hartline to the League? Ha!

[bluefan]

Linked from mgoblog.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/scorecard/cfootballnews.asp?articleID=249648

90 catches in three years? 21 catches last year? RR has had TE's that have more than that. Sounds like a guy that has first hand knowledge how inept Pryor is and always will be in the passing game and is getting out before he totally blows his chances. Kind of looking like rats from a sinking ship.

[1OSUNUT]

The reason why is because with the studs coming up behind him and the new offense being put in - he might lose playing time or catch less balls. Posey, Thomas, Sanzenbacher, Carter and others are ready and will be the core group of WR's for the next few years. Do I think Brian is ready for the NFL - maybe / maybe not. He could be a very good systems WR like Gonzo, Stokley or Welker. I think he knows he is not a #1 WR. I wish him well. I think he will combine well because he runs well. I see him being a 3rd or 4th rounder.

[michAGAIN]

the studs coming up behind him

I think that is the problem at tuos.............not that there's anything wrong with that............ but just saying.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

this is obviously related to pryors inability to throw the ball, why waste another season catching a few short balls a game when you could be getting paid in the nfl. Posey would be a great WR on a team with a good QB he will never reach his potential with noodle arm as his QB.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

How many starters do you expect to be returning next season? minus Washington and Hartline i'm just curious to know how many starters are going to be coming back.

main reason is that over the past few years, like it or not OSU has been the favorite coming into the season to win the big 10; but if they only have say 11/12 returning starters i could see them losing 3 or 4 conference games.

also if anyone knows about Penn State and MSU's returning starters that information would be valuable as well.

[Silver Bullet]

How many starters do you expect to be returning next season? minus Washington and Hartline i'm just curious to know how many starters are going to be coming back.

main reason is that over the past few years, like it or not OSU has been the favorite coming into the season to win the big 10; but if they only have say 11/12 returning starters i could see them losing 3 or 4 conference games.

also if anyone knows about Penn State and MSU's returning starters that information would be valuable as well.

Here are pretty good articles on who is coming back for OSU:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/01/an-extremely-early-look-at-the-09-offense.html
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/01/an-extremely-early-look-at-the-09-defense.html

I think the defensive piece was written before Washington declared, so depth and experience in the secondary will be lacking. That being said, I don't see much of a dropoff in the linebackers and I think the defensive line is going to be significantly improved.

I'm so glad that Hartline left. He was a Me-First, T.O. type player only he had none of the talent. He was a cancer on the team and will rid OSU of their other slow, stone-handed receiver. I'm really excited to see the offense next year. With Beanie being gone, Tressel has no choice but to open up the offense. I'm excited to see how the O-line plays next year to. There is a lot of young talent there.

[amazinblue]

I'm excited to see how the O-line plays next year to. There is a lot of young talent there.

Bullet,

The same could be said about Michigan...

[rickyleach]

he is leaving ohio state because he read where 1osunut and dandy don, said they are loaded and will probably win the national title , no reason to hang around c/bus , you know whats funny about ohio state , they have a coach that pushes them out the door b/4 they graduate , because its the best thing for the kid. mr tressel the great educaterrr, and he preaches how proud he is of his kids on the playing field ,but most of all in the class room. what a hypocrit this guy is.. hartline is probably leaving cause he knows tressel is full of sshit..

[bluefan]

Bullet,

The same could be said about Michigan...

Whoa, whoa, whoa, amazinblue. Haven't you learned by now that only uos players go right from high school to experienced, awesome studs in the span of 6 months? Only uos has the talent to take freshmen and unproven players and turn them into All Americans overnight. Haven't you seen them beating up on the Suck 10? They are legends in their fans' own minds.

[bigboyBlue]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, amazinblue. Haven't you learned by now that only uos players go right from high school to experienced, awesome studs in the span of 6 months? Only uos has the talent to take freshmen and unproven players and turn them into All Americans overnight. Haven't you seen them beating up on the Suck 10? They are legends in their fans' own minds.

To be fair, this is a tUO$ thread ;). Let him speak his mind boys. (ducks to avoid bazooka)

[bluefan]

To be fair, this is a tUO$ thread ;). Let him speak his mind boys. (ducks to avoid bazooka)

Yeah, but I started it so they can piss off. (loads bazooka)

I'm actually aiming my vitriol at NUT but Bullet wrote the post. Bullet usually has some common sense and isn't the sightless homer NUT is.

[Silver Bullet]

Yeah, but I started it so they can piss off. (loads bazooka)

I'm actually aiming my vitriol at NUT but Bullet wrote the post. Bullet usually has some common sense and isn't the sightless homer NUT is.

I wrote OSU has young talent on the line, how is that a homer? Anyway, the guys that I'm talking about are sophmores so they have some experience. I'm not sure what year Boren is, but he's there to.

[Silver Bullet]

he is leaving ohio state because he read where 1osunut and dandy don, said they are loaded and will probably win the national title , no reason to hang around c/bus , you know whats funny about ohio state , they have a coach that pushes them out the door b/4 they graduate , because its the best thing for the kid. mr tressel the great educaterrr, and he preaches how proud he is of his kids on the playing field ,but most of all in the class room. what a hypocrit this guy is.. hartline is probably leaving cause he knows tressel is full of sshit..

Actually, of all the guys leaving early only Wells won't have his degree when he leaves. I don't think it's a big deal because his signing bonus is going to be more than most of us make in a lifetime.

[rickyleach]

really though ,have things changed or am i just old school , when and why are more coaches giving their kids the ok to leave early and encourage this stuff, what about the education, i dont recall lloyd doing this b/4 ,maybe he did, but this thing never went public like tressels deal, student athlete ,ya right...

[rickyleach]

hey you might as well add donald washington to the long list of players saying seeee yaaaa..

[Silver Bullet]

hey you might as well add donald washington to the long list of players saying seeee yaaaa..

You can also add him to the list of guys that will be graduating in June. I know as a Um fans, this is all you have right now...saying that all of OSU's players are money grabbers and blah, blah, blah. I get it. You can't win on the field so you want to whine about guys making a living for themselves, meanwhile you sound completely irrational. Why in the world would a running back that is probably going to be the first at his position drafted come back to school? Not to mention the fact that he's on the hook to support 11 brothers/sisters and other family members?

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

all squabbaling aside, the fact that osunut is trying to turn hartline leaving into a postive is retarded. if he truly is NFL caliber talent how would his leaving the team be beneficial to tUOS

[GoBlue21]

Why in the world would a running back that is probably going to be the first at his position drafted come back to school? Not to mention the fact that he's on the hook to support 11 brothers/sisters and other family members?

Nobody is debating Wells, that's a no-brainer especially with all the injuries he's suffered over the years. He could return next year and have a career ending injury leaving him stuck with tUOS degree washing cars! :D Just kidding Bullet, Wells should go after that money now while he can...

I don't fault any first round draft pick for leaving early, especially if they are a top 10-15 pick! You can always go back to school after football, get that money while you can...

[Silver Bullet]

all squabbaling aside, the fact that osunut is trying to turn hartline leaving into a postive is retarded. if he truly is NFL caliber talent how would his leaving the team be beneficial to tUOS

I'm with Nut...it's the old addition by subtraction theory here. In fact, I've never seem that phrase thrown before since Hartline announced. Word is that he was a very VOCAL supporter of Beockman when he got benched and led the group of whiners that did nothing to help but the cause of TB, but had no problem b!tching about it. Add in the fact that he was getting blasted and missing curfew in Arizona and the fact that he was an average receiver and I really don't know why anybody would be sad at his departure. Again, he is will be graduating this spring and he's getting married. Don't blame him, but he's going to have a rude awakening at the combine.

[Silver Bullet]

all squabbaling aside, the fact that osunut is trying to turn hartline leaving into a postive is retarded. if he truly is NFL caliber talent how would his leaving the team be beneficial to tUOS

He's not. Hence everybody is glad he's leaving.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

if he wasn't NFL caliber talent AND was causing dissention then why did the Great Jim Tressel use him so much? and also didn't you guys have trouble with Ray Small? you're boy Tress seems to have some trouble getting those WR's to see things his way.
hartline averaged 23 yards a catch and scored 4 TD's with freshman pryor at QB which means he didn't really have anyone better than Steven Threet throwing to him. Sanzenbacher also had 21 catches but averaged only 13 YPC. Sanzenbacher had 1 TD. Sanzenbacher is NOT a step up; and Ray Small may still be in JT's doghouse unless of course he is conveniently out of the doghouse now that the need WR's.

but i'm sure you'll find some bullshit way of turning all this into Tressel being the master planner; etc...

[Silver Bullet]

if he wasn't NFL caliber talent AND was causing dissention then why did the Great Jim Tressel use him so much? and also didn't you guys have trouble with Ray Small? you're boy Tress seems to have some trouble getting those WR's to see things his way.
hartline averaged 23 yards a catch and scored 4 TD's with freshman pryor at QB which means he didn't really have anyone better than Steven Threet throwing to him. Sanzenbacher also had 21 catches but averaged only 13 YPC. Sanzenbacher had 1 TD. Sanzenbacher is NOT a step up; and Ray Small may still be in JT's doghouse unless of course he is conveniently out of the doghouse now that the need WR's.

but i'm sure you'll find some bullshit way of turning all this into Tressel being the master planner; etc...

Nobody is sure why Hartline got so much playing time..again I say, THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY IS GLAD HE'S LEAVING. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT GUY WASN'T GOING TO SEE THE FIELD. I may have to check the roster but I believe that OSU has more than 2 receivers on their roster, so Small and Sanzenbacker (who is going to be good) may not be our only options. I'll check on that and get back to you......

This goes back to the problem however. Nobody is sure what kind of talent is on the bench because Robo and Hartline got all of the playing time. OSU has some great recruits coming in and I think Devier Posey (soph next year) is going to be really good also. I think Ray Small will be relegated to special teams and occasional 4/5 WR sets.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

Nobody is sure why Hartline got so much playing time..again I say, THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY IS GLAD HE'S LEAVING. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT GUY WASN'T GOING TO SEE THE FIELD. I may have to check the roster but I believe that OSU has more than 2 receivers on their roster, so Small and Sanzenbacker (who is going to be good) may not be our only options. I'll check on that and get back to you......

This goes back to the problem however. Nobody is sure what kind of talent is on the bench because Robo and Hartline got all of the playing time. OSU has some great recruits coming in and I think Devier Posey (soph next year) is going to be really good also. I think Ray Small will be relegated to special teams and occasional 4/5 WR sets.

after next year nobody will be sure of what u got at WR cause you got another WR throwing them the ball. Your WR's stats would of been double what they were if beckman started all year, obviously stats arent what matters, but unless he can start throwing like a DI Qb your gonna start to struggle.

[rickyleach]

pryorthrowslikeagirl, amen brother, you hit the nail on the head, robiski and hartline did pretty much nothing all season, because tressel got bent over by the osu alum and put his great passing qb in t,pryor, instead of staying with the guy who got them to the national title game, even in the texas game , todd beockmen moved them down the field and gave that team scoring chances, it wasnt pryor, yes sir buckeye fans YOUR COACH OUT SMARTED HIMSELF AND FUUCKED OVER THE BEST PLAYER AT THAT POSITION AT OHIO STATE, AND DONT TELL ME BEOCKMEN IS SLOW AND GETS SACKED TO MUCH, PRYOR WAS SACKED MORE THEN ANY OTHER STARTING QB IN THE BIG10,

[1OSUNUT]

maybe you should look at the size and speed of the new batch of WR's before you think losing Hartline is a drop off. Stoneburner, Posey, Thomas and Carter are all big and fast. Sazanbacher and Small will also be solid roll players. If you cannot see what a bonus having these guys catching ball is going to be - I can't help you. Some got plenty of playing time this year and some were redshirted. The Buckeyes were picked to finish fourth in the conference last year and all they did was go to the NC game. We will be fine. I guess we will have to stuggle through another season where we compete for another Big Ten championship and beat Michigan again - ho hum.

[BBA1994]

maybe you should look at the size and speed of the new batch of WR's before you think losing Hartline is a drop off. Stoneburner, Posey, Thomas and Carter are all big and fast. Sazanbacher and Small will also be solid roll players. If you cannot see what a bonus having these guys catching ball is going to be - I can't help you. Some got plenty of playing time this year and some were redshirted. The Buckeyes were picked to finish fourth in the conference last year and all they did was go to the NC game. We will be fine. I guess we will have to stuggle through another season where we compete for another Big Ten championship and beat Michigan again - ho hum.

If they were that good they would have been playing last year. 'Nuff said. Also, if TP can't throw the ball, then it doesn't matter how big and fast they are.

C'mon nut, take tressy's wanker out of your mouth and think, just think before you post something.

[cartyboi]

Are they going to showcase their speed with the 5 and outs that Pryor can't complete, the 10 yard curls that Pryor can't throw, or the deep post routes that Pryor just throws a jump ball to? Maybe you could get Nick Sheridan to transfer to OSU and you could have a step up from Pryor in the throwing department.

[rickyleach]

dont worry osu has a new offensive cordinator his name is jimmy tressel, need i say more,,,

[cartyboi]

Run on 1st, run on 2nd, pass on third... PUNT!

[1OSUNUT]

Pryor will throw just fine next year. He was so called "one dimenional" when he played Michigan - and he still whip your asses. As for if the kids were so good they would of played this year - why ? We had Hartline and Robiski coming back - so why burn a season for no reason. Maybe that is why the Buckeyes are solid EVERY year - because they plan for the future. Do you think they are going after Boyd so far because they are not happy with TP - NO. The plan would be to redshirt him and groom him as the TP replacement. That is a plan that Boyd's Dad happens to love. He would like to see his son sit back a year to watch and learn. You guys will all be unhappy when you see the quality and size of the Buckeyes next year. While Michigan is making excuses as to why they are losing games - again. The Buckeyes will be winning games like they always do.

[rickyleach]

hey nut you got an answer for everything ,to bad your football team doesnt.. 35-3 41-14 38-24 and many more to come. WERE GONNA DO THIS AND WERE GONNA DO THAT, YOU AINT DOIN NUTIN...

[cartyboi]

Keep winning all of your games except the ones on a big stage. That has to be fun.

[rickyleach]

hey nut maybe you can get tressels wife to run the program, atleast she would hold herself accountable, unlike your sorry assss daddy who crys like a baby after a loss.the media ask questions and your boy gives the same ole answer , i da no..but im proud of my boys and feel so bad for them especially todd boeckmen who i fuuked over because of pressure from the alum to play pryor, it worked out really well and we lost 3 games , dahhhhhh

[1OSUNUT]

We seem to win the one that matters the most on the last week of the season. That never gets old. Winning Big Ten championships and beating Michigan is fine with me. I would take that any day over that abortion of a team in AA. Losing to Toledo is not my idea of good football. I will take our bad version of football .

[GoDeepHammer]

We seem to win the one that matters the most on the last week of the season. That never gets old. Winning Big Ten championships and beating Michigan is fine with me. I would take that any day over that abortion of a team in AA. Losing to Toledo is not my idea of good football. I will take our bad version of football .

Is that the one that matters the most? From what the players say, from this past year, they came back to win the NC. That didn't happen.

Speaking of abortions, to bad your Mom didn't.

[blueisbetterthanred]

We seem to win the one that matters the most on the last week of the season. That never gets old. Winning Big Ten championships and beating Michigan is fine with me. I would take that any day over that abortion of a team in AA. Losing to Toledo is not my idea of good football. I will take our bad version of football .

Uh.. WHY does osu think they won the big 10 championship this year? You can say what you want on paper.. two one loss teams, you lost to the other one loss team, THE NITTANY LIONS ARE THE BIG 10 CHAMPS.

[1OSUNUT]

Actually Big Ten co-champs - thanks to their loss to Iowa and our victory over Michigan. You guys should know what co-champion means. Like you guys were in 1997 with Nebraska - remember.

[blueisbetterthanred]

A split isn't a split if the two teams splitting play each other and one team wins.
Period. :)

And everyone knows that was osbourne's retirement present. geez. Do we have to go over all that again?

[cartyboi]

'97 Wolverines would have embarrassed the Huskers. Just like OSU has been the past... 3 years.

[rickyleach]

guys youll have to excuse 1osunut , he seems to have his head up his asssss like his coaching hero jimmy tressticle..

[1OSUNUT]

The Huskers would of ran over Michigan in 97. The Buckeyes would of beat Michigan had it not been for the fact Cooper was coaching them. The Buckeyes had a better team.

[blueisbetterthanred]

Michigan beat SEVEN ranked teams in 97. 4 in the TOP 10. Did nebraska do that? No.. and missouri took them to overtime.

Seriously.. I can't believe people still spout this nonsense.

As far as osu being better that year... lol.

That was the first year that NO ONE got drafted from osu in the draft.

NO ONE.

[NCBLUE]

Nut...nut...nut...there were years that I would agree that oSU had more talent and lost...95..96...but 97 was not one of those years. Michigan had a better D and won the game in the trenches on the way to the National Championship. On that day the better team simply won...

[1OSUNUT]

Nut...nut...nut...there were years that I would agree that oSU had more talent and lost...95..96...but 97 was not one of those years. Michigan had a better D and won the game in the trenches on the way to the National Championship. On that day the better team simply won...

CO - National Champions. You always seem to forget that. I'm sure it was an oversite.:D

[NCBLUE]

I will start putting a CO next 1997 if you start putting an asterisk next to 2002...funny when you read about oSU's 2002 game with Miami the media seem to bring up that pesky flag 99% of the time...

[rickyleach]

yah and if pete carrol hadnt called off the dogs at halftime against ohio state last season ,the score would have been USC 55 OHIO STATE 3, AND IF A FROG HAD WINGS IT WOULD FLY , 1OSUNUT ,YOU ARE PATHETIC, ONE LAST THING THOUGH IF T,PRYOR COULD THROW THE FOOTBALL HE MIGHT BE A PRETTY GOOD QB , HA HA HA HA ,,, MAYBE HE CAN RUN THE BALL TO HIS RECIEVERS AND HAND IT OFF ,,

[joeismyname]

"He could be a very good systems WR like Gonzo, Stokley or Welker. "

Nice OSUnut.....you could have just said he's another one of those sneaky white guys.