It will all be over soon!!!!!!!!!

[justinsane]

RR will be fired after this season..... The incompetent AD who hired him is gone. Brandon could care less about RR if he's not winning he has no ties to him he will want his own coach.

Ending our 3 decade long bowl streak, 0-3 aganist MSU, going to be 0-3 aganist OSU, practice time fiasco, worst defenses in history. The guy is just a incompetent hillbilly that even WVU would not hire him back now.

This year has been a little better to watch knowing that if they win I'm happy but this team goes in the toilet he will be gone. It is all over the writing is on the wall beating ILL and Purdue and making a crap bowl does not save him. END OF STORY!!!!!!!

[Sten Carlson]

You're an idiot Justin!

You'd love it if Michigan were to fire RR wouldn't you? Well, know this for certain: If DB fired RR Michigan will not recover from 2 coaching changes in 3 years and will be a historical footnote like Nebraska. Look how long it's taken them to come back to their former self. People like you with so little understanding of the true nature of the situation personnel wise, and what it going to take tofiz it make me sick, and honestly don't deserve to call themselves Michigan fans.

I am not saying that you cannot question the guy, but see it for what it is...REBUILDING...you don't begin to rebuild then fire the coach because he's not rebuilt the program from the ground up in 2 1/2 seasons.

Your opinion is worthless at best, and downright detrimental to the team at worst Justin. You obviously have never undertaken a project with a long-term goal in place and are the typical American "instant gratification" Idol-watching, aspartame drinking DBag that rest of the world shakes its head at in disappointment.

Piss off!

[1OSUNUT]

The first coach Nebraska brought in after they fired Frank Solich (Bill Callahan) was going to reshape the way football was played at that old dinosaur - how did that work out ? He came in and tried to install new fangled systems - just like RR has. He did not know about traditions (like the black shirts) - just like RR. They sucked and ended up having to fire him as well.

They went out and hired Bo Pellini (maybe the next coach at OSU after JT) and he cut the shit. He went back to the black shirts and went back to doing what Nebraska does best - play defense and physical offense. Now they are rising back to where they once were. Smoke, Mirrors and Gimmicks only work so long - you cannot build a solid foundation around them because they have no identity.

[justinsane]

You're an idiot Justin!

You'd love it if Michigan were to fire RR wouldn't you? Well, know this for certain: If DB fired RR Michigan will not recover from 2 coaching changes in 3 years and will be a historical footnote like Nebraska. Look how long it's taken them to come back to their former self. People like you with so little understanding of the true nature of the situation personnel wise, and what it going to take tofiz it make me sick, and honestly don't deserve to call themselves Michigan fans.

I am not saying that you cannot question the guy, but see it for what it is...REBUILDING...you don't begin to rebuild then fire the coach because he's not rebuilt the program from the ground up in 2 1/2 seasons.

Your opinion is worthless at best, and downright detrimental to the team at worst Justin. You obviously have never undertaken a project with a long-term goal in place and are the typical American "instant gratification" Idol-watching, aspartame drinking DBag that rest of the world shakes its head at in disappointment.

Piss off!

Sten,

We've been hearing the same crap from you for two years. He can go undefeated if we don't play in the B10 we have to put DE St back on the schedule.

Nebraska was not good because they hired incompetent coaches. They got a good one in Pelini who is winning with a freshman QB and they lost Suh off their defense.

Get off that he had to build a program here. Total bs it needed to be tweaked and updated not overhauled. June Jones at SMU had to do a total rebuild they got the death penalty did not make a bowl for 25 years were 1-11 in his first season went 7-5 last season and made a bowl and won it vs a favored Nevada team. He also had to install a totally new offensive scheme. Those are facts look it up.

You love him so much when he is canned after another loss to our biggest rival. You can help him pack up his trailer and go root for the next team he coaches. But after this tenure he will not be a HC again for a very long time if ever unless it is at some Sun Belt conference school.

Cant wait for Harbaugh or Peterson to be introduced as our next coach.

[1OSUNUT]

Justin -

You are one of the spart ones on this site. You see reality - and you dont live in a fantasy land. Keep on posting what your eyes see - your fan base needs more people like you.

[Sten Carlson]

...it needed to be tweaked and updated not overhauled.

You're just flat out WRONG Justin, and your insistance upon claiming you're right (with no evidence to support your position) shows your ignorance. Michigan was a shell of it's former self in 2007, and as I have detailed many times in here, EVERYONE inside college football knew it. RR came in at the lowest point in Michigan history depth wise, and was given a mandate to REBUILD by the people that run the university, the people that KNEW emphatically just how far down things had gone.

You, and everyone like you, are living in a delusional "Michigan Myth" world in which "we are Michigan damit" is a sufficient argument as to why things shouldn't be the way that they are. There have been so many well researched posts that have detailed every aspect of what I contend, yet you try to wipe it away with, "that's bullshit!" It don't work that way Justin, you cannot stand in a debate without proof, and you've offered none.

You're going to be waiting a LONG time for Jimmy or Peterson my friend. They won't touch Michigan with a ten-foot pole if RR is fired -- we'll become toxic and it'll be another 5-6 years before we have anything resembling a competent team again. The best coach in the world isn't going to be able to coach these defensive players to excellence -- they're just that bad. And they're as bad as they are because Carr plugged up the recruiting pipeline.

4-5 year cycles Justin, just keep repeating that to yourself. 5 years ago the pipeline dried up, and we're suffering the consequences today. In time, as RR recruits and develops better players, it will flow again, but it's JUST NOW begun to trickle on defense, and is starting to flow steady on offense.

REALITY!

[justinsane]

Justin -

You are one of the spart ones on this site. You see reality - and you dont live in a fantasy land. Keep on posting what your eyes see - your fan base needs more people like you.

Well Nut I speak the truth and unfortunately it hurts. I guess in Sten's view Florida should not have fired Zook he needed more time. How stupid they were to fire him and hire Meyer.

He gets credit for a great offense that was kept in check yesterday. He gets no blame for the defense. Instead of Dee Hart with this pipeline from Dr. Phillips I keep hearing about why cant we get Clinton-Dix? More of a need and would rather have him. We had Sean Parker locked up too he had his picture taken for GoBlueWolverines magazine with a Michigan jersey on and RR wanted Dorsey instead good move that panned out well. A moron that could not get his grades.

[justinsane]

You're just flat out WRONG Justin, and your insistance upon claiming you're right (with no evidence to support your position) shows your ignorance. Michigan was a shell of it's former self in 2007, and as I have detailed many times in here, EVERYONE inside college football knew it. RR came in at the lowest point in Michigan history depth wise, and was given a mandate to REBUILD by the people that run the university, the people that KNEW emphatically just how far down things had gone.

You, and everyone like you, are living in a delusional "Michigan Myth" world in which "we are Michigan damit" is a sufficient argument as to why things shouldn't be the way that they are. There have been so many well researched posts that have detailed every aspect of what I contend, yet you try to wipe it away with, "that's bullshit!" It don't work that way Justin, you cannot stand in a debate without proof, and you've offered none.

You're going to be waiting a LONG time for Jimmy or Peterson my friend. They won't touch Michigan with a ten-foot pole if RR is fired -- we'll become toxic and it'll be another 5-6 years before we have anything resembling a competent team again. The best coach in the world isn't going to be able to coach these defensive players to excellence -- they're just that bad. And they're as bad as they are because Carr plugged up the recruiting pipeline.

4-5 year cycles Justin, just keep repeating that to yourself. 5 years ago the pipeline dried up, and we're suffering the consequences today. In time, as RR recruits and develops better players, it will flow again, but it's JUST NOW begun to trickle on defense, and is starting to flow steady on offense.

Answer my June Jones facts he did it and did it fast. I supported my arguments with facts you just dont reply to that or you have no idea who June Jones is or SMU's history.

Where are the defensive players where is the much hyped JT Turner now? Big Will is invisible. Cullen looked like a dope out there. John L was a laughing stock and had no talent and now Dantonio is winning? Way to go RR he stays here and our football program will go like basketball. If that happens that could actually be the thing that kills me. Not cancer or car wreck but that might.

The facts are I know more about college football then most novices on here. I don't care if you agree the writing is on the wall he is gone if he doesn't beat OSU. Meyer had no problem accepting the UF job following a legend in Spurrier and a guy they sacked after 4seasons Harbaugh and Peterson would do the same thing. If RR stays here 10 years with these results nobody will come here.

REALITY!

Those are the facts Sten. When they fire him you can dislike our new coach and it will be reversed around here. 2007 is over I believe it is 2010. Carr needed to go but so does RR. OSU fired Cooper and he beat everybody but us. I guess they have higher standards RR cant beat anybody but Indiana that is in the B10.

[Wolvrin704]

Tweaked? With what talent were they going to win? The offense was decimated prior to the 2008 season.

[justinsane]

Tweaked? With what talent were they going to win? The offense was decimated prior to the 2008 season.

Lets see here:

Mallett, McGuffie, Minor, Brown, Stonum, Hemingway, Matthews, Boren, Schilling, Manningham.

Thats off the top of my head. If we hired Petrino Mallet would have stayed put that idea looks better after every b10 game we play. Yeah I know Mallett was out anyway. Yeah right every kid doesn't want to sit out a year people don't transfer frivolously.

[Blue In Ohio]

Lets see here:

Mallett, McGuffie, Minor, Brown, Stonum, Hemingway, Matthews, Boren, Schilling, Manningham.

Thats off the top of my head. If we hired Petrino Mallet would have stayed put that idea looks better after every b10 game we play. Yeah I know Mallett was out anyway. Yeah right every kid doesn't want to sit out a year people don't transfer frivolously.

Well Mallet transfers no matter who the coach, Manningham to the NFL, Minor hurt, Boren to the OSU line which seems to be giving up plenty of sacks this year, and the rest either true freshmen or redshirt freshmen with no qb who could complete a pass to them. I'll pass on arguing with you. Just a pointless waste of my time dealing with a little brain. Go make some more trolls happy.

[Revelli]

Justin, please take a moment to reread this entire thread and then realize that the only person who agrees with you is a BUCKEYE FAN!!! Your only support on your stance is from a guy who wants nothing more than to see Michigan get worse and worse. That is all I'm sayin'...

[1OSUNUT]

That is because JUSTIN does not have his head up his ass. He looks at something - and realizes that its not working. Do you mean to tell me that 120 schools in D1 had better talent then what RR was left at Michigan ? Because if you are your flat out retarded. RR has had two years to either recruit better players or to develop the players he was left with. I don't want to break your hearts or let you in on a secret - but part of a coaches job is to teach and develop. Where is the teaching ?

Where is the speed and the strength that many of you gushed about from Barwis ? Michigan seems slower and weaker then any team they play - on the defensive side of the ball.

There is no proof that Mallett would not of stayed - RR wanted Pryor and made no bones about it. In fact RR also chased off Threet and he is playing pretty good for ASU. Both QB's became starters somewhere else - but RR could not make it work. Im sure that was Carr's fault to. How many years will it take before this team belongs to RR and not Carr.

[Swoosh]

That is because JUSTIN does not have his head up his ass. He looks at something - and realizes that its not working. Do you mean to tell me that 120 schools in D1 had better talent then what RR was left at Michigan ? Because if you are your flat out retarded. RR has had two years to either recruit better players or to develop the players he was left with. I don't want to break your hearts or let you in on a secret - but part of a coaches job is to teach and develop. Where is the teaching ?

Where is the speed and the strength that many of you gushed about from Barwis ? Michigan seems slower and weaker then any team they play - on the defensive side of the ball.

There is no proof that Mallett would not of stayed - RR wanted Pryor and made no bones about it. In fact RR also chased off Threet and he is playing pretty good for ASU. Both QB's became starters somewhere else - but RR could not make it work. Im sure that was Carr's fault to. How many years will it take before this team belongs to RR and not Carr.

Again you show how stupid you are, LOL

[Wolvrin704]

Lets see here:

Mallett, McGuffie, Minor, Brown, Stonum, Hemingway, Matthews, Boren, Schilling, Manningham.

Thats off the top of my head. If we hired Petrino Mallet would have stayed put that idea looks better after every b10 game we play. Yeah I know Mallett was out anyway. Yeah right every kid doesn't want to sit out a year people don't transfer frivolously.

Even had Mallett and Boren stayed 7 of the guys you list were already here and only 1 had ever started before. McGuffie and Stonum were freshmen. Minor and Brown couldn't stary healthy and Manningham was gone to the NFL. Who would have done the blocking for UM? That is the major reason they were so awful the last 2 seasons. Boren and Schilling alone could not have done it by themselves.

[bluefan]

I think the posters here need to notice the down vote option more. Well, not only notice it but use it. I hate to be a neg on sight type of guy but there's two posters here that make it easy.

[Maizer Beam]

There is no proof that Mallett would not of stayed - RR wanted Pryor and made no bones about it. In fact RR also chased off Threet and he is playing pretty good for ASU. Both QB's became starters somewhere else - but RR could not make it work. Im sure that was Carr's fault to. How many years will it take before this team belongs to RR and not Carr.

Enough of this urban legend nonsense on why Mallett transferred. Let me educate you (pay attention):

Mallett grew up a big Arkansas fan – he only chose UM because Mustaine was the starting QB at Arkansas, he doubted that he could overtake him, and Mallett didn’t want to wait until he graduated to play. Mallett enrolled early at UM, but was very homesick and did not like the cold, and he almost transferred before the season even began. When RR came in, he realized that long term, he was a bad fit (honestly, look at what Denard is doing; what role would a lead footed pro set QB have in this offense)?

Mallett transferred to the college he grew up loving, is having a great career, and has no animosity toward RR or the UM program – any contention that RR “drove Mallett from the program” is a lie.

Also, Threet would not have started again at UM, and would currently be 4th on the depth chart if he’d stayed. ASU is the THIRD college program Threet has been with – that should tell you something.


How many years will it take before this team belongs to RR and not Carr.

The team is RRs – however, it is a fact that about 45% of the team is still Carr’s recruits. Is RR accountable for having players on his roster that he never recruited? It is RR’s responsibility to do as much with them as possible, but let’s not pretend like he would have made offers to most of these underachieving defensive players.

[bighousemike84]

The first coach Nebraska brought in after they fired Frank Solich (Bill Callahan) was going to reshape the way football was played at that old dinosaur - how did that work out ? He came in and tried to install new fangled systems - just like RR has. He did not know about traditions (like the black shirts) - just like RR. They sucked and ended up having to fire him as well.

They went out and hired Bo Pellini (maybe the next coach at OSU after JT) and he cut the shit. He went back to the black shirts and went back to doing what Nebraska does best - play defense and physical offense. Now they are rising back to where they once were. Smoke, Mirrors and Gimmicks only work so long - you cannot build a solid foundation around them because they have no identity.

So by this you mean to say that Michigans offense is nothing but smoke and mirrors and silly gimmicks? Explain please, give me solid reasoning for this hypothesis and I might believe you. Although I am failry certain that whatever you have to say can be debunked rather quickly.

As for the O.P.- I had this response up to almost 1500 words then I looked at the time, realized ive got 10 minutes to get to my next class, and decided to erase my response and replace it with this.
http://www.barelyhangingon.com/wp-content/uploads/thumb-dumbass.jpg

[bighousemike84]

RR will be fired after this season..... The incompetent AD who hired him is gone. Brandon could care less about RR if he's not winning he has no ties to him he will want his own coach.

Ending our 3 decade long bowl streak, 0-3 aganist MSU, going to be 0-3 aganist OSU, practice time fiasco, worst defenses in history. The guy is just a incompetent hillbilly that even WVU would not hire him back now.

This year has been a little better to watch knowing that if they win I'm happy but this team goes in the toilet he will be gone. It is all over the writing is on the wall beating ILL and Purdue and making a crap bowl does not save him. END OF STORY!!!!!!!

Ok, now that I have the time I would like to give a little reasoning for why I believe you are so wrong.

First of all you start your argument by exclaiming "the incompetent AD who hired him is gone." That being Bill Martin. Now I understand that Martin was somewhat polarizing as an AD because he is a business man first and foremost so some felt he didnt give enough attention to the athletic aspect of his job. That may or may not be true but that still doesnt change the fact that currently there are only 5 schools of 120 D-1 schools that claim a profit in the athletic department each year. 1 of those 5 is Michigan. Now when Bill Martin took over the reins for Tom Goss Michigans athletic department was hemorraging money. Martin came in and didnt just fix the problem but he completely reversed the problem. He made Michigan tons of money and even planned ahead well enough to allow for renovations and rebuilding of almost every sports complex Michigan has. I think that qualifies him as something beyond incompetent.

As for the rest, I understand the frustration surrounding Rodriguez with the lack of a bowl and the many losses. But I dont understand how you can ignore the positives that have come out of what Rodriguez is doing. I cant believe that you cant see where the good direction this program is going and you cant see how strong the team will be in the near future. Its not about drinking the kool-aid or being a RR lover, I am not any more happy then you are about the state of things, but the reality is that Michigan hired the man because they liked what they saw in him and they have not fired him yet because they havent been given a reason to. Wins and losses is not a viable reason to make a major decision like firing and hiring a new coach. The NCAA regular season is 12 games and 1 bowl game. Thats 4 months out of a 12 month year, being a head coach is so much more than just what you see in that 4 month time span and it is all that occurs inside that 8 months that is what makes or breaks a football coach.

Rodriguez is not perfect but no one person ever is perfect. I see the progress this team is making with him and I see the kind of atmosphere that Rodriguez and staff have implemented at Michigan and that makes me confident in Michigans future success regardless of whatever is going on right now.

[tpilews]

RR will be fired after this season..... The incompetent AD who hired him is gone. Brandon could care less about RR if he's not winning he has no ties to him he will want his own coach.

You do realize that Dave Brandon was on the committee that chose RR, right?

[tpilews]

UNC commit Marquise Williams reports Mich AD David Brandon told recruits Saturday Rich Rod would be in Ann Arbor "a long time." Just saw this from Mark Snyder's twitter account.

[Panzer]

Rich Rod has installed one of the most explosive / exciting offenses in the country, in 3 years. This offense is more disciplined and executes like I have never seen it before. Defense is bad, but can be fixed much more easily than an offense. We will go to a bowl this year and I expect to see a much improved defense next year.

[justinsane]

Rich Rod has installed one of the most explosive / exciting offenses in the country, in 3 years. This offense is more disciplined and executes like I have never seen it before. Defense is bad, but can be fixed much more easily than an offense. We will go to a bowl this year and I expect to see a much improved defense next year.

The explosive offense you are talking about hasn't looked so unstoppable the last two weeks.

Lewan doesn't look so disciplined a RR recruit by the way not Carr's.

You trust Robinson to fix this defense? Don't hold your breath.

[Maizer Beam]

The explosive offense you are talking about hasn't looked so unstoppable the last two weeks.

Lewan doesn't look so disciplined a RR recruit by the way not Carr's.

You trust Robinson to fix this defense? Don't hold your breath.

The team is still young on both side of the ball - Lewan is a freshman, right? How disciplined were you at 18? He is going to be a monster for 4 years.

[justinsane]

The team is still young on both side of the ball - Lewan is a freshman, right? How disciplined were you at 18? He is going to be a monster for 4 years.

Lewan is not making freshman mistakes. He's made dumbass mistakes not being able to control himself and has cost this team badly.

At 18 not so disciplined LOL. However I wasn't getting a free education to UM for football. He keeps doing stuff like that he may not see the field anymore. RR wasn't too happy with him either. I'll give credit to him for that he doesn't take any sh*t from his players getting stupid penalties.

[Maizer Beam]

Lewan is not making freshman mistakes. He's made dumbass mistakes not being able to control himself and has cost this team badly.

At 18 not so disciplined LOL. However I wasn't getting a free education to UM for football. He keeps doing stuff like that he may not see the field anymore. RR wasn't too happy with him either. I'll give credit to him for that he doesn't take any sh*t from his players getting stupid penalties.

Youth often = dumbass. I would not a Youtube channel dedicated to the dumb sh*t I did!

The fact that Lewan is getting a scholarship probably isn’t foremost on his mind in the heat of battle. The kid has passion, he just needs to focus it on playing hard (and clean) between the whistles and get back to the line immediately after the play stops. At 6’8 and 300lbs at 18, he has enormous potential.

[tpilews]

Lewan is not making freshman mistakes. He's made dumbass mistakes not being able to control himself and has cost this team badly.

At 18 not so disciplined LOL. However I wasn't getting a free education to UM for football. He keeps doing stuff like that he may not see the field anymore. RR wasn't too happy with him either. I'll give credit to him for that he doesn't take any sh*t from his players getting stupid penalties.

Yes, he did. However, I can't even remember hearing Clayborn's name on Saturday. Did a freshman really just neutralize the best DE in the country?

[tpilews]

The explosive offense you are talking about hasn't looked so unstoppable the last two weeks.

Lewan doesn't look so disciplined a RR recruit by the way not Carr's.

You trust Robinson to fix this defense? Don't hold your breath.

You do realize that UM put up over 520 yards on one of the best defenses in the Big10, right? They're also the 13th ranked defense in the nation. Take UM out of that equation and you're talking about the 4th best defense in the nation. Turnovers and special teams, minus Hagerup, lost the game for UM.

[justinsane]

You do realize that UM put up over 520 yards on one of the best defenses in the Big10, right? They're also the 13th ranked defense in the nation. Take UM out of that equation and you're talking about the 4th best defense in the nation. Turnovers and special teams, minus Hagerup, lost the game for UM.

I didn't say they didn't gain yards. However if you drive 99 yards and fumble on the goal line is that a productive series? The offense was explosive when they finished drives and scored touchdowns. Which they have failed to do the past two weeks.

[Wolvrin704]

I didn't say they didn't gain yards. However if you drive 99 yards and fumble on the goal line is that a productive series? The offense was explosive when they finished drives and scored touchdowns. Which they have failed to do the past two weeks.

I would be more concerned if they had trouble moving the ball and in only a few atempts in the red zone could not punch it in. Fact is they're getting down there a lot and with the more constrcited space making mistakes. Those mistakes will lessen as they get better and more experienced.

[rickyleach]

I would be more concerned if they had trouble moving the ball and in only a few atempts in the red zone could not punch it in. Fact is they're getting down there a lot and with the more constrcited space making mistakes. Those mistakes will lessen as they get better and more experienced.

this team will be incredible when they get a better defense and that is going to happen next season.michigan will contend for the title in 2011

[justinsane]

I guess I was right. Sten according to these posts we will suck for 4-5 years. Yeah right. Why can't you guys admit RR was a dipsh*t?

Brandon on the other hand screwed Hoke over with this recruiting class because he has no time to do anything, We could have hired Brady in December.

I believe though Hoke will turn this around and quicker than most are saying.

[Sten Carlson]

Why can't you guys admit RR was a dipsh*t?

I don't think that RR is a dipshit, I think that he made some severe miscalculations, and Michigan was in the WORST state talent and depth wise that is has even been in the modern era. I am not making excuses for the guy, but I think the deck was stacked against him from the beginning.

20+ scholarship athletes short of the maximum allowed is, in my mind, a near insurmountable, and unprecedented obstacle for an incoming coach to overcome. Add to that the fact that many of the upperclassmen that were on the roster, like Obi Ezeh, were just down right BAD PLAYERS, and you have a recipe for complete and abject FAILURE.

I'd be willing to bet, with the way that RR left WVU and the hatred that has arisen towards him in his home state and alma mater, that had he known what he was walking into he would have stayed right where he was in Morgantown. He didn't look at what he was getting, he just jumped at the chance to become the coach of one of the greatest college football programs in the nation. This, IMO, is evidenced by the "not until I got here..." comments that we heard from him several times.

Personally, I put the blame for RR's complete failure predominantly on Michigan, with a few contributing factors on RR. As I said, his lack of due diligence in researching the state of the program is on him (but then again, as Michigan fans, how can we blame him for being so excited to get the offer?). His major failure, IMO, was his insistence upon firing the entire staff (except Fred Jackson) and implementing his scheme wholescale and not piecemeal as many suggested. I agree with RR's statements that many of the players had not played in ANY scheme, and delaying would just make the transition more drawn out. However, I think his willingness to "throw away" 2008 and make a proud fan base like Michigan's suffer through it's worst season ever shows his arrogance. I am not convinced that Michigan would have won many more games if RR slowed his scheme transition down, but at least it would have shown the fan base that he wasn't a bull in a china shop, and that he was going to try to salvage something for the seniors in 2008. In addition, I think the defense would have "shown up" as expected had he just kept Ron English on as DC. Now, maybe English would have left for EMU anyway, we'll never know. But, when your most veteran squad is your defense, and you pretty much know your offense is going to suck due to a complete lack of key personnel (QB and OL) you need to do everything possible to endear the defense to you, and firing THEIR DC, bringing in a new guy, changing the scheme and the culture and the S&C is NOT the way to do it.

The majority of the blame, as I said, falls to Michigan and the AD prior to RR's arrival for letting the program get into the state that it was in when he arrived. Further, I think that transition should have occurred in 2005 so that the incoming coach had the benefit of the last great class at Michigan (Hart, Henne, Long, etc.) -- that fact alone might changed everything.

RR wrote checks that his skill as a coach couldn't cash. He arrogantly thought that his resume of success at other schools was going to get the players to play for him no matter what he did, no matter how much he shook the apple cart -- and he was HORRIBLY wrong!

However, the more I look back on RR's three seasons the more I realize that Michigan will actually be better for having gone through what Michigan went through. First and foremost, Michigan has Denard Robinson on the roster, a fact which would not have been the case had RR not come to Ann Arbor. Second, Michigan has Gardner on the roster, another player likely not to be in Ann Arbor without RR. In that same vein, I think that Michigan has seen the light when it comes to the wide open style of offense, but at the same time seen that there has to be a balance.

I think going forward at Michigan, and in CFB in general, we're going to see a blending of the power and the spread. I think the most successful teams are going to be the ones that use BOTH, not exclusively one or the other. I think RR showed us how amazing an offense can be, but also how fragile that success can be if you a) don't have a studly defense, and b) if you cannot run power some of the time. Sometimes learning what NOT TO DO is as important as learning what to do.

I like what I hear coming from Hoke and his staff, and I think we're going to see a very dynamic and open offense that can at the flip of a switch play smashmouth with the best of them, and switch right back.

Go Blue!

[rickyleach]

I guess I was right. Sten according to these posts we will suck for 4-5 years. Yeah right. Why can't you guys admit RR was a dipsh*t?

Brandon on the other hand screwed Hoke over with this recruiting class because he has no time to do anything, We could have hired Brady in December.

I believe though Hoke will turn this around and quicker than most are saying.

are you ok , i mean you got so many wars going on how can you function, , does brady hoke act like he is worried about when db hired him , NO , rr made a huge mistake by not surropunding himself with capable coaches , he didnt understand what michigan was all about , i dont think rr is a dipshit and still think he is a good coach , but also know he was fighting a battle he could never win , he was replaced by a guy who does get it and has more support in 5 days then rr had in 3 years, when people want you to fail and those people are the heart of your program then , well you figure it out, rr never had a chance.. and he is at fault for much of that.