Can you ?

[wolverine]

Can you ....hear it....??? Listen carefully
if you just try a little you CAN hear the laughter in C bus if you turn your ear towards east lansing you can hear it as well, even in mad town, happy valley and in Iowa ,,,can you hear it ...??? its getting louder and louder

In towns and colleges Michigan used to own they laugh at what Mighty Michigan has become ,,",Michigan champions of the west" is just an empty echo..

Listen and youll hear it listen how bad they want RR to stay in those college towns across the Big ten...bend your ear just a little more an youll hear some fear the fear Michigan will bring in someone who can right this ship and turn it around , THE FEAR IS SMALL but there ,,, even thought it will mean 2 more tough seasons the fear is there BUT not much right now

In the Big ten a land where Michigan was supreme they now lay flat, broken and in an sad state of repair. Like an old lady who has not come to understand her beauty is long past , Michigan has held on to long, The coach ( RR) needs to go and GO NOW

Listen to the old sages in espn, cbs, nbc and elsewhere,, where they take great delight in poking fun at Michigan Are you happy with what you saw today or will you still go on blindly saying the King has clothing and it is the best
even though everyone else sees that Michigan has been layed Bare

Can you hear it oh yes the laughter is there and getting louder and louder,

AND I FOR ONE AM SICK OF IT

[bluefan]

Can you pull your head out of your ass and see the forest and the trees?

[wolverine]

can you come up with more lame uninspired comment than that probaly not

[MoellerLover]

VERY SICK OF IT! Not winning any big games, 6-18, and the continual embarrassment would be enough to get any coached canned, but at the most storied program we're supposed to tolerate it? However, I guess there's all of that improvement: avg. 5 points more per game this year accompanied with the worst defense in Michigan history while capping the reg. season with a 7-37 loss to OSU. I just can't understand why someone would want to keep this guy.

[amazinblue]

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Sir Winston Churchill.

If Michigan makes a change right now - what future coach would respect the contract that Michigan negotiated with them? You would easily risk the revolving door of coaching with the "latest, greatest hot commodity" like ND has struggled with for 15 years.

And, I do feel why DB is taking the "look at the entire season" approach, is because he wants to avoid the constant speculation - week in and week out - whether a specific coach or two is meeting or exceeding his expectations.

He's indicating that all programs / sports will be evaluated in a consistent manner. And, I believe, indicating that he'll conduct his analysis in a rational and deliberate manner.

[Shauneyboy68]

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Sir Winston Churchill.

If Michigan makes a change right now - what future coach would respect the contract that Michigan negotiated with them? You would easily risk the revolving door of coaching with the "latest, greatest hot commodity" like ND has struggled with for 15 years.

And, I do feel why DB is taking the "look at the entire season" approach, is because he wants to avoid the constant speculation - week in and week out - whether a specific coach or two is meeting or exceeding his expectations.

He's indicating that all programs / sports will be evaluated in a consistent manner. And, I believe, indicating that he'll conduct his analysis in a rational and deliberate manner.

Logic fail. Sure, ND went through a series of coaches, but it's not like they had trouble attracting coaching "talent" during that period.

Any objective coach approaching the Michigan gig would understand the university's position if RR were to be canned. Our fearless leader's big ten record speaks for itself.

And sorry Sten, the 2008 season counts.

[Sten Carlson]

And sorry Sten, the 2008 season counts.

Fine, but my point in eliminating the 2008 season from the equation is exactly what you point out: any objective coach approaching the Michigan job is going to see what happened in 2008 and will likely realize that RR had very little to work with, and that it was highly unlikely that ANYONE was going to produce a winning season.

I just think that people when evaluating RR's performance thus far should look at 2008 on a completely different level than they do 2009 and 2010. If done so, I think the observer will get a far more accurate sense of how he's performed. It's still poor thus far to be sure, but with the improvement this season I think, and if you consider 2011 RR's 3rd season and 2012 his 4th, I think a much more positive picture of the future of Michigan football is presented. It's not much to ask, and makes a HUGE difference in perception overall.

GO BLUE!

[amazinblue]

Logic fail. Sure, ND went through a series of coaches, but it's not like they had trouble attracting coaching "talent" during that period.

Any objective coach approaching the Michigan gig would understand the university's position if RR were to be canned. Our fearless leader's big ten record speaks for itself.

And sorry Sten, the 2008 season counts.

Shauney,

I think it is fair to say that we see things a bit differently. But, let's say JH were to arrive in Ann Arbor - and, he was to lead Michigan to the same record he did at Stanford - would you be satisfied?

FWIW, Stanford's record his first three seasons was: 4-8, 5-7, and 8-5 (including the bowl game). This is one game different from what RR's record is (or may be after the bowl game).

There are two things that I feel are a certainty - one, Michigan's roster will be much deeper and healthier in 2011 than it was in 2008. And second, everyone who feels that a new coach is the answer will say that the record will improve and Michigan will be defeating its rivals.

I think Michigan's record will improve with RR next season - and, part of that reason is the consistency, experience, and development of the roster. One "opportunity" for Michigan is to field a team with more experience this year - with 19 returning starters, while some key teams in the conference will see numerous players graduate - so, Wisconsin (for example) will be fielding a relatively less experienced team than this year.

I believe no rival game is a guarateed win. At least that's what I think. It depends on talent, game plan, and exeution. And, you know that MSU and OSU always focus on the Michigan game - the vernacular used while I was at Michigan was a "red letter" game. If you feel JH can guarantee victories over our rivals this year - super - I would like to know how they'll guarantee the outcome.

And, as you said: "Any objective coach approaching the Michigan gig would understand the university's position..." What exactly is the university's position? I have my view on it - and would welcome yours.

[Shauneyboy68]

Shauney,

I think it is fair to say that we see things a bit differently. But, let's say JH were to arrive in Ann Arbor - and, he was to lead Michigan to the same record he did at Stanford - would you be satisfied?

FWIW, Stanford's record his first three seasons was: 4-8, 5-7, and 8-5 (including the bowl game). This is one game different from what RR's record is (or may be after the bowl game).

There are two things that I feel are a certainty - one, Michigan's roster will be much deeper and healthier in 2011 than it was in 2008. And second, everyone who feels that a new coach is the answer will say that the record will improve and Michigan will be defeating its rivals.

I think Michigan's record will improve with RR next season - and, part of that reason is the consistency, experience, and development of the roster. One "opportunity" for Michigan is to field a team with more experience this year - with 19 returning starters, while some key teams in the conference will see numerous players graduate - so, Wisconsin (for example) will be fielding a relatively less experienced team than this year.

I believe no rival game is a guarateed win. At least that's what I think. It depends on talent, game plan, and exeution. And, you know that MSU and OSU always focus on the Michigan game - the vernacular used while I was at Michigan was a "red letter" game. If you feel JH can guarantee victories over our rivals this year - super - I would like to know how they'll guarantee the outcome.

And, as you said: "Any objective coach approaching the Michigan gig would understand the university's position..." What exactly is the university's position? I have my view on it - and would welcome yours.

Obviously, I don't know the school's offical position. We were discussing hypotheticals, and, were RR hypothetically fired, I think it's safe to assume that most prospective HC's would agree that RR's firing was justified. Were DB to make that call, there are very few people who would question the school's decision, let alone take the giant leap and question its integrity, as has been argued on this site.

What do I base these assumptions on? It’s simple really: since this season began, the consensus of opinion has been that RR’s seat is one of the hottest in the country. His firing wouldn’t shock the world.