The Signing Day Thread

[bigboyBlue]

I just thought it would be easier to have all the recruiting info pouring out in one place for the next day or two.

Anyways, in latest news, DQ Jones went from "Tenn, Auburn, Michigan" to "probably Arkansas" because "I always wanted to play in the SEC" ?! Doesn't that just about seal it? I for one don't mind if he doesn't come here, I just haven't seen enough love for the Blue from this kid (you know what I mean). Maybe TankC does now?

[Blue Is Nice]

Wadup all. Haven't been around much as my wife gave birth to another future Wolverine last summer and I've been pretty busy drinking beer and watching my wife do all the work.

I hope it's a good day for us all tomorrow. With the exception of the nut fans, who just lost Green to Zook by the way.

Anyway, go blue. Lets break out the snake oil.

BTW, where is ToC? Anyone seen him recently? He's probably hanging out with Stanton.

[bighousemike84]

yeah its looking pretty likely that DeQuinta Jones will be a razorback. Whateva...

[tpilews]

Good idea bigboyBlue. I'll be busy this morning, but I'll check back in around 11:30. We should hear from Witty/Robinson by then. And hopefully we'll know about Graves by then too. Let's hope it's a good day for the men in blue. With a good finish to this class, UM could finish in the top5 nationally.

[tpilews]

From Brian over at mgoblog:


I've scoured message boards of a half-dozen teams, assimilated all the conflicting information flying around, and if you put a gun to my head and made me predict what was going to happen tomorrow it would look like this:

* Pearlie Graves: Michigan
* Adrian Witty: Michigan
* Denard Robinson: Michigan
* DeQuinta Jones: Arkansas
* Je'Ron Stokes: Michigan


And this tibit from DeQuinta Jones:


“I could change my mind, but I’m leaning towards Arkansas. I’ll make a final decision (Wednesday),”

[GoDeepHammer]

From Brian over at mgoblog:



And this tibit from DeQuinta Jones:

I thinkt hat D Jones is gone. I don't see why these kids don't decommit when they open up there recruiting.

[GoBlue21]

It's a big day for the future of the Wolverines. Very interested to see who Michigan picks up today. You can't win all of the recruiting battles but hopefully there will be some surprise pick ups in store for the Wolverines...

"Let's get it started, let's get it started in here"

[bigboyBlue]

Morning all. Its gonna be a great day :). So far, T Jones/Turner/Schofield/Bell/Toussaint have turned in LOIs.

[bigboyBlue]

Wadup all. Haven't been around much as my wife gave birth to another future Wolverine last summer and I've been pretty busy drinking beer and watching my wife do all the work.

I hope it's a good day for us all tomorrow. With the exception of the nut fans, who just lost Green to Zook by the way.

Anyway, go blue. Lets break out the snake oil.

BTW, where is ToC? Anyone seen him recently? He's probably hanging out with Stanton.

Congrats man, both on the baby, and on handling it so well! And fuck ToC, but there's plenty other trolls to choose from.

[bigboyBlue]

Washington sent his letter in.

[GoBlue21]

Brendan Gibbons LOI in...

[GoBlue21]

http://mgoblog.com/content/happy-signing-day


Per Rivals

They seem confident that Stokes is now favoring UM. Just have to wait but at least it looks good "now".

[GoBlue21]

Thomas Gordon LOI in...

[bigboyBlue]

http://mgoblog.com/content/happy-signing-day

Saw that, keeping the fingers crossed :D.

[bigboyBlue]

One a side note, the SEC is KILLING everyone on the recruiting trail, 9 teams in the Top 25!

[bigboyBlue]

FYI, both Robinson AND Witty announcing at 11:30 together...which should be a good thing for us!

[bighousemike84]

How much do you think the so called experts will mention FYS and there "Massive recruiting coup" over big blue?

[GoDeepHammer]

How much do you think the so called experts will mention FYS and there "Massive recruiting coup" over big blue?

Some idiot will say something, they can't help it.

[bluefan]

Graves to Texas Tech. Per Rivals.

[GoDeepHammer]

Graves to Texas Tech. Per Rivals.

I don't think that we get Jones either. Who moves over from OL to DL to help out?

[bigboyBlue]

Graves to Texas Tech. Per Rivals.

Yeah....in related news, DQ Jones has eliminated Auburn and Tenn, will decide between UM and Ark.

[bluefan]

Said he wanted to play in SEC. Hopefully pulling a Campbell on us.

[Shane Falco]

With Graves going to Texas Tech, which is total bullshit Michigan really needs to add Jones. They need all the help they can get on the DL.

With Graves gone and things not looking good for DQ this could be a bad day for Michigan fans. We really need to add Robinson, Witty and Stokes to go along with Washington from yesterday and I will be real happy.

[bigboyBlue]

Gallon and Lewan letters are in.

[GoBlue21]

Gallon and Lewan letters are in.

Did Gallon get the test scores to be able to enroll @ Michigan?

[bluefan]

Rob and Witty blue!

[bigboyBlue]

Robinson and Witty are both BLUE!!! YES!!!!

[GoBlue21]

robinson and witty are both blue!!! Yes!!!!

uh oh!!!! :D

[GoDeepHammer]

Did Gallon get the test scores to be able to enroll @ Michigan?

Don't think so yet, but he is planning on retaking them. I believe I had heard there are 5 more times that he can try.

[bigboyBlue]

Did Gallon get the test scores to be able to enroll @ Michigan?

Working on it, just needs to up his ACT scores, I believe its looking good.

[GoDeepHammer]

Robinson and Witty are both BLUE!!! YES!!!!

Michigan has landed two more commitments from the Sunshine State. Deerfield Beach (Fla.) standouts Denard Robinson (pictured), a four-star quarterback, and two-star defensive back Adrian Witty just pledged to Michigan at a press conference at their school.

Robinson, an outstanding athlete, chose U-M over Central Florida, Florida and others, while Witty picked Michigan over Kansas State.

Watch TheWolverine.com for more on this development in the hours to come ...

[bigboyBlue]

There are some reports of DQJones to Arkansas. Nothing confirmed by Rivals though. If true, that leaves us in contention with only Stokes. Bummer, but it would still be a great haul!

[GoBlue21]

Greg Robinson maybe...

http://mgoblog.com/content/apparently-there-may-be-some-snake-oil-being-used


It's Dale Peterman, 3-star CB. He popped up on Michigan's radar like, a month ago or so, but then dropped off and committed to Syracuse. Michigan sent him an offer today and he's considering flipping.

[tpilews]

Nice pickup on Witty and Robinson. Wheeeh.

Hopefully, RR will have some D-lineman as a surprise. We need it if Jones is gone too.

[tpilews]

Greg Robinson maybe...

http://mgoblog.com/content/apparently-there-may-be-some-snake-oil-being-used

Hey, every bit of depth we can get is gonna help.

[GoBlue21]

Hey, every bit of depth we can get is gonna help.

That's what I said. 3* commit isn't too bad to steal away on signing day for a position that Michigan needs depth at! Hopefully he will slide on over to Ann Arbor :)

[bigboyBlue]

That's what I said. 3* commit isn't too bad to steal away on signing day for a position that Michigan needs depth at! Hopefully he will slide on over to Ann Arbor :)

Maybe we should start a new thread about this. I find it funny how fast UM can find someone if they need to :rolleyes:.

[GoBlue21]

Maybe we should start a new thread about this. I find it funny how fast UM can find someone if they need to :rolleyes:.

Nah, we don't want to be like trolls bigboy! Lol

[bighousemike84]

Its been fairly anticlimactic today. Besides Robinson and Witty committing its been a slow morning. Also losing Graves and most likely Jones is a bummer

[GoBlue21]

Its been fairly anticlimactic today. Besides Robinson and Witty committing its been a slow morning. Also losing Graves and most likely Jones is a bummer

I'm waiting for these rumored snake oil commits, hopefully RichRod has one or two...

Still an impressive class to say the least!

[bigboyBlue]

Its been fairly anticlimactic today. Besides Robinson and Witty committing its been a slow morning. Also losing Graves and most likely Jones is a bummer

I disagree man, if in two days we get Washington/Robinson/Witty/Stokes, and an additional CB, I say it would be a great close for RR. Depth at DT would be better, but other than that he has addressed all positions of need. Keep in perspective all the negative recruiting, publicity and record over the last year, and pulling in a Top 10 class is still impressive.

[RobGoBlue]

I disagree man, if in two days we get Washington/Robinson/Witty/Stokes, and an additional CB, I say it would be a great close for RR. Depth at DT would be better, but other than that he has addressed all positions of need. Keep in perspective all the negative recruiting, publicity and record over the last year, and pulling in a Top 10 class is still impressive.

Not bad at all. http://forum.psychlinks.ca/images/smilies/2_thumbs_up_-_animated.gif
I bet RR never had a top 10 class to work with at Hillbilly Tech, errrr, West Virgina. ;)

[bighousemike84]

You misunderstood. Im not bashing the class I was just commenting on how I felt very excited this morning and so far today I have been left feeling meh. Not because I dont like the class but because not much has really happened

[bighousemike84]

Not bad at all. http://forum.psychlinks.ca/images/smilies/2_thumbs_up_-_animated.gif
I bet RR never had a top 10 class to work with at Hillbilly Tech, errrr, West Virgina. ;)

Yes Rodriguez had never had a class in the top 25 until last year. By the end of today he will most likely have 2 top ten classes in 2 years

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

I disagree man, if in two days we get Washington/Robinson/Witty/Stokes, and an additional CB, I say it would be a great close for RR. Depth at DT would be better, but other than that he has addressed all positions of need. Keep in perspective all the negative recruiting, publicity and record over the last year, and pulling in a Top 10 class is still impressive.

Is stokes in???

[1OSUNUT]

I'm hearing Tenn.

[bighousemike84]

Is stokes in???

It is between Ten/Mich for Stokes but right now its looking more like Tennessee

[Shane Falco]

All LOI's are in except for one so far and I believe that is Craig Roh.

[Inflames]

Roh and other AZ kids are signing later on today so no worries just yet on him =)

[bighousemike84]

Roh is signing later this afternoon with the rest of Arizona top 50

[Shane Falco]

Roh and other AZ kids are signing later on today so no worries just yet on him =)

Thanks for the info. I just saw where his teammate Taylor Lewan sent his in and it got me kind of nervous.

[TNTWolverine]

As expected, Jones sends his letter to Arkansas...

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

I just figured it out.. nut DOES have an in at To$u.. he works at the car dealership that osu buys the the cars for the players and recruits from.. it was right there in front of us the entire time.. So nut what kind of car did hall and Ginn get this year?? C-

[Todd]

As expected, Jones sends his letter to Arkansas...

Wouldn't it be cool if he would have sent the letter to Arkansas...and it said he was going to Michigan?

Well, that was pretty much expected, but still a bummer...I would've liked to have had this kid!

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

ESPNU just said RR would be on at 245..

[Blue In Ohio]

I like Paul Johnsons method of dealing with verbal commits that start looking elsewhere. He straight up drops them. That's what Michigan should have done with both graves and jones. It shows neither of them have any values to wait until signing day to decide to change their minds. They should have been dropped months ago and we should have looked elsewhere. The Paul Johnson method would bring the serious ones in and remove the clowns.

[bigboyBlue]

Wouldn't it be cool if he would have sent the letter to Arkansas...and it said he was going to Michigan?

Well, that was pretty much expected, but still a bummer...I would've liked to have had this kid!

Crazy, Ark is another of those oversigning schools (30!), though I think more than 50% of their class is 3*s. Well, just waiting on Stokes now. RR has a presser at 3pm I believe?

[bighousemike84]

I like Paul Johnsons method of dealing with verbal commits that start looking elsewhere. He straight up drops them. That's what Michigan should have done with both graves and jones. It shows neither of them have any values to wait until signing day to decide to change their minds. They should have been dropped months ago and we should have looked elsewhere. The Paul Johnson method would bring the serious ones in and remove the clowns.

Ok now youre talking crazy. These are 17-18 year old kids alright. They are bound to waffle a little bit. Also taking that approach would ensure that M would lose out on a number of highly rated recruits. You try telling a teenager to either sign or get out and more often than not he will get out

[Shane Falco]

This drives me crazy about kids decommitting. If you are going to take more visits than do not committ until all of your visits done. Now I understand if a kid a decommitts if a coach is fired or something but for Jones and Graves they knew what was going on and just played the system.
It happens everywhere in college football. And this is why I don't mind it when kids have to sit out a year for transferring. Even if the coach is fired or leaves. What comes around goes around.

[Shane Falco]

Greg Robinson maybe...

http://mgoblog.com/content/apparently-there-may-be-some-snake-oil-being-used

Peterman sticking with Syracuse.

http://www.suathletics.com/news/2009/2/4/FB_0204092829.aspx

[bighousemike84]

I think you are somewhat right Shane. Their are occasions where kids play the system (EX: Will Campbell) and occasions where kids like Graves and Jones thought at one time they knew where they wanted to go but over time and through other visits they realized they made there decisions to early. It isnt fair to the kid to say that once they have committed then they must not consider any other school. What we seem to forget is that they are TEENAGERS! Kids, Kids that are pulled in every different direction, kids that get the royal treatment almost everywhere they go. Kids that can easily get confused because they have an allegiance to a school but suddenly feel swayed by other factors such as friends and family, academics, weather, sometimes girlfriends, etc...

Give them a break. Sure Pryor was a dick last year because he didnt just play 1 school he played M, PSU and Oregon when he knew very early on that UOS was his choice but guys like Pryor are the exception to the rule.

Recruiting is not a perfect science and decommits will happen. It is no reason to get bent out of shape about

[Bossgobbler23]

Been on the road all day. I was in the Detroit area and did get to hear the Recruiting Roundup live on the radio for the first time. Getting caught up here.

I think one expects the occasional decommit but this year has been ridiculous! I know these are kids but I agree with Falco on this one. These are kids turning into men and unless something drastic happens, they should not give their word unless they mean it. They should do like Robinson done it, not take a bird in the hand then shop around. Thats not fair to the University.

I expected we would lose one of the DT's but both hurt. The big get is Robinson. The more I read about this kid the more I think he can be a super star on the offense. Getting Stokes would be great. I seen where several have said he is leaning toward Tennessee but I have also seen on either Mgoblog or Varsity Blue where they predict Blue. I believe Sam Webb also has a "Strong Gut Feeling" on him, which is good! I'll pull out the lucky charms and see what happens.:)

[Shane Falco]

I think you are somewhat right Shane. Their are occasions where kids play the system (EX: Will Campbell) and occasions where kids like Graves and Jones thought at one time they knew where they wanted to go but over time and through other visits they realized they made there decisions to early. It isnt fair to the kid to say that once they have committed then they must not consider any other school. What we seem to forget is that they are TEENAGERS! Kids, Kids that are pulled in every different direction, kids that get the royal treatment almost everywhere they go. Kids that can easily get confused because they have an allegiance to a school but suddenly feel swayed by other factors such as friends and family, academics, weather, sometimes girlfriends, etc...

Give them a break. Sure Pryor was a dick last year because he didnt just play 1 school he played M, PSU and Oregon when he knew very early on that UOS was his choice but guys like Pryor are the exception to the rule.

Recruiting is not a perfect science and decommits will happen. It is no reason to get bent out of shape about

I know decommitts are going to happen every year for various reasons that you suggested. I know this is a tough decision for some kids because it is their future. My problem is when they committ to a school knowing they are taking other visits. Why not take all of your visits then decide. Jones committed before even being to Michigan and Michigan was his 4th visit.
And Graves committed after his visit but did not cancel any other visits he had scheduled.
My main problem with this is because maybe if they did not have 3 DT's including Campbell committed then maybe they would have pursued someone else a little harder.

[GoDeepHammer]

I just wish that kids that are going to look around would just decommit. I have no problem with the kids that decide where they are committed to isn't for them. But, don't be a soft commit or be a surprise decommit to the team that you are commited with at the last minute.

[1OSUNUT]

Don't count your eggs before they hatch. :D

[Shane Falco]

Don't count your eggs before they hatch. :D

Shut the hell up. Justin Green to Illinois.

[GoDeepHammer]

Don't count your eggs before they hatch. :D

Are you stupid or what? I guess if I was only talking about Michigan I would see how you would care and have a comment, but I was talking about recruiting in general. I just think that kids abuse the system and it looks bad for the kids and the colleges.

Thanks for your two year old comment.

[michAGAIN]

Hey Shane and GoDeep - don't argue with 1OSUNUT about eggs. If anyone is an expert on laying an egg it would be a tUOS fan.

[bigboyBlue]

Stokes is Blue!!!! ZING!!!

[Shane Falco]

Hey Shane and GoDeep - don't argue with 1OSUNUT about eggs. If anyone is an expert on laying an egg it would be a tUOS fan.

That's nice!

[GoDeepHammer]

Stokes is Blue!!!! ZING!!!

You have a link for this?

[bigboyBlue]

You have a link for this?

Just got a text from Rivals.

[Shane Falco]

Can time move any slower today? Stokes is the last recruit left we have a chance for and is announcing at 3:30. Hurry up time.
I can really see this going either way. Some say Tennessee and some say Michigan. Hoefully with Nukeese Richardson committing today to Tennessee over Florida that helps our chances.

[Shane Falco]

Can time move any slower today? Stokes is the last recruit left we have a chance for and is announcing at 3:30. Hurry up time.
I can really see this going either way. Some say Tennessee and some say Michigan. Hoefully with Nukeese Richardson committing today to Tennessee over Florida that helps our chances.

O.k. we must have been typing at the same time. I thought he was announcing at 3:30.

[GoDeepHammer]

http://michigan.scout.com/

[nc wolverine]

Just got a text from Rivals.

BBB.... stokes is blue.... is that final... or just a hunch

[bluefan]

Grabbed 3 oughta the 5 today. Meh, but not terrible.

[BBA1994]

Stokes committed to UM a few minutes ago. http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_homepage?blockID=38560&feedID=729

[Shane Falco]

It's true. I am much happier now.

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=908830

O.k. I need some time to examine this class to see what we have but someone needs to start another thread to discuss the 2009 class of Michigan Football.

[Shane Falco]

Grabbed 3 oughta the 5 today. Meh, but not terrible.

Throw in Washington yesterday and we grabbed 4 out of the 6 we actually had a chance with.

[bigboyBlue]

McNeal who? And to all those who say RRod doesn't throw the ball:

2008: Stonum
2009: Stokes, Gallon
2010: Jackson, Miller

You BETTER PRAY he doesn't throw the ball!

[GoDeepHammer]

I am happy with the class, I think that RR and staff did a good job.

[Blue In Ohio]

If anything I think we should atleast not consider verbals that are checking other schools as solid commits and actively recruit the position until signing day.

[tpilews]

It's true. I am much happier now.

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=908830

O.k. I need some time to examine this class to see what we have but someone needs to start another thread to discuss the 2009 class of Michigan Football.

Let's wait and see what happens. You never know if there could be any surprises. UM still has 3 spots left.

[Bossgobbler23]

I too think we got a great class, especially considering the 2008 season. There will be a lot of offensive fireworks in the near future for sure! After one winning season this will only build, can you imagine? I would've liked more DT's but I'll take Stokes and Robinson on the O side of the ball any day over the two DT's we lost.

[tpilews]

McNeal who? And to all those who say RRod doesn't throw the ball:

2008: Stonum
2009: Stokes, Gallon
2010: Jackson, Miller

You BETTER PRAY he doesn't throw the ball!

2008:T. Robinson, Odoms

2009: D. Robinson

[Shane Falco]

2008:T. Robinson

2009: D. Robinson

2008: M. Odoms

[Shane Falco]

Let's wait and see what happens. You never know if there could be any surprises. UM still has 3 spots left.

David Oku still has not signed with anybody.:D

[bigboyBlue]

RRod giving a presser right now, live on mgoblue.com

[BLEEDINGBLUE]

RRod giving a presser right now, live on mgoblue.com

As I was listening, I was surfing the site and found this.

Campbell and Turner are the top-rated players in the state of Michigan and Ohio, respectively. This is the first time that the Wolverines had the top-ranked athletes from both states since 2002: Prescott Burgess (Ohio) and LaMarr Woodley (Michigan).

I'd say that RR didn't do too bad. I'm happy with what we took in today and the fact that there still might be one or two blowing in the breeze makes me even more excited. I can't wait for September!!!!! GO BLUE!

[Bossgobbler23]

As I was listening, I was surfing the site and found this.

Campbell and Turner are the top-rated players in the state of Michigan and Ohio, respectively. This is the first time that the Wolverines had the top-ranked athletes from both states since 2002: Prescott Burgess (Ohio) and LaMarr Woodley (Michigan).

I'd say that RR didn't do too bad. I'm happy with what we took in today and the fact that there still might be one or two blowing in the breeze makes me even more excited. I can't wait for September!!!!! GO BLUE!

You are right, there might be one or two more blowing in the breeze. The SEC schools are grossly over filling their scholies and are going to have to let some kids go.

[Silver Bullet]

As I was listening, I was surfing the site and found this.

Campbell and Turner are the top-rated players in the state of Michigan and Ohio, respectively. This is the first time that the Wolverines had the top-ranked athletes from both states since 2002: Prescott Burgess (Ohio) and LaMarr Woodley (Michigan).

I'd say that RR didn't do too bad. I'm happy with what we took in today and the fact that there still might be one or two blowing in the breeze makes me even more excited. I can't wait for September!!!!! GO BLUE!

Congrats. You Um fans deserved for something to break your way.

[bigboyBlue]

Congrats. You Um fans deserved for something to break your way.

Thanks, seriously :).

[Bossgobbler23]

Congrats. You Um fans deserved for something to break your way.

2008 was a year of bad breaks, news and such. To 2009 - here here!

[bigboyBlue]

As I was listening, I was surfing the site and found this.

[I]Campbell and Turner are the top-rated players in the state of Michigan and Ohio, respectively.

Add:

Roh is the top-rated player in Arizona.
Forcier is the nation's most accurate QB.
QWash was the SC Lineman of the Year.
Lalota was #2 prospect in NJ.

We did good :cool:.

[deltguy2]

According to Rivals, we have the #7 ranked class as of 3:37pm EST.

Not to bad after the season we had thsi past year....way to go RichRod!!

[Shane Falco]

You are right, there might be one or two more blowing in the breeze. The SEC schools are grossly over filling their scholies and are going to have to let some kids go.

Any names being thrown out there on who it could be?

[1OSUNUT]

The losses on the defensive side sort of hurt Michigan but overall it is shaping up to be a very nice class for RR. I'm sort of surprised after last year that the class is as good as it is - but like you guys say, it is still Michigan. I think if they could land a stud defensive line player that feel through the cracks or got screwed somewhere else it could be a outstanding class.

[Bossgobbler23]

Any names being thrown out there on who it could be?

No, just pointing out possibilities down the road. I think we are done as far as those we pursued heavily. There might be some available that we go after to fill D line needs but again I'm just looking at possibilites. We might just be better served to save the scholies for the 2010 recruits. I think once we get back on the winning track we will have more than our share of recruits.

[BLEEDINGBLUE]

The losses on the defensive side sort of hurt Michigan but overall it is shaping up to be a very nice class for RR. I'm sort of surprised after last year that the class is as good as it is - but like you guys say, it is still Michigan. I think if they could land a stud defensive line player that feel through the cracks or got screwed somewhere else it could be a outstanding class.

I agree nut, the guys we lost on the D side are going to hurt a little but hopefully the pickups on the O side will balance a little better than last year. If somehow we pull a decent D line player in by the end of the day, I think I speak for most UM fans here, we would be ecstatic with the class that RR pulled in this year.

[bigboyBlue]

The losses on the defensive side sort of hurt Michigan but overall it is shaping up to be a very nice class for RR. I'm sort of surprised after last year that the class is as good as it is - but like you guys say, it is still Michigan. I think if they could land a stud defensive line player that feel through the cracks or got screwed somewhere else it could be a outstanding class.

Who are you and what have you done with NUT? Doesn't matter. Stay.

[Shane Falco]

The losses on the defensive side sort of hurt Michigan but overall it is shaping up to be a very nice class for RR. I'm sort of surprised after last year that the class is as good as it is - but like you guys say, it is still Michigan. I think if they could land a stud defensive line player that feel through the cracks or got screwed somewhere else it could be a outstanding class.

I wish we would have gotten Graves or Jones but we didn't and it sucks. But we still added Roh, Lalota and Campbell to the DL and with the additions of the OL we got RR can move John Ferarra back to the DL.

[RobGoBlue]

I wish we would have gotten Graves or Jones but we didn't and it sucks. But we still added Roh, Lalota and Campbell to the DL and with the additions of the OL we got RR can move John Ferarra back to the DL.

And don't forget, Mike Martin was only a freshman this year.

[rickyleach]

i see where ole pecker head tressel lost a recruit today, come on jimmmmmmy, ole pecker head..

[1OSUNUT]

I think Ohio State fans are just as happy as Michigan fans are tonight. While Michigan was coming off their worst season ever, Ohio State was coming off their 3 loss in a BCS bowl. Secretly there was a worry about that costing us top flight recruits - thank God it didn't. We lost one recruit at the last minute to Illinois. If the kid was that shallow and let Zook come out of nowhere and take him - maybe he was not the type of kid you want. I'm think Michigan fans feel the same way toward their de-commits. Your coaches work hard to establish relationships with the parents, coaches and player and you think the kid is in because he gave you his word. That used to mean something. Then a coach like Zook comes in and makes empty promises or the old bait and hook - and steals him away.

I don't wish anybody bad luck ever - but these kind of last minute spur of the moment choice normally don't work out real well for the player.

[Shane Falco]

I think Ohio State fans are just as happy as Michigan fans are tonight. While Michigan was coming off their worst season ever, Ohio State was coming off their 3 loss in a BCS bowl. Secretly there was a worry about that costing us top flight recruits - thank God it didn't. We lost one recruit at the last minute to Illinois. If the kid was that shallow and let Zook come out of nowhere and take him - maybe he was not the type of kid you want. I'm think Michigan fans feel the same way toward their de-commits. Your coaches work hard to establish relationships with the parents, coaches and player and you think the kid is in because he gave you his word. That used to mean something. Then a coach like Zook comes in and makes empty promises or the old bait and hook - and steals him away.

I don't wish anybody bad luck ever - but these kind of last minute spur of the moment choice normally don't work out real well for the player.

O.k where is the real Nut? This post makes alot of sense and there is no Michigan bashing. Who are you?

[bigboyBlue]

For anyone interested, there are a ton of interviews on wtka with the commits, and RRod after recruiting ended today. Use the Ann Arbor Big Show menu.

http://www.wtka.com/index.php?fuseaction=home.podcasts

The most impressive part for me (some of you might know this already) was that Schofield ran track (hurdles) during his frosh/soph years...and he's a freakin OL :eek:. Crazy!

[NCBLUE]

Overall I am pleased but not estatic with Michigan's incoming class.

I am glad RR was able to get 2 QB's. I want no part of a freak injury putting us back into QB hell we were in last year. Great job on overall speed and athletism. I like the number of secondary recuits RR brought in as well.

Did not like losing 2 D-line studs, also RR needed a full 25 class. The quicker he can get his "type" of player, the quicker we can move away from last year's disaster.

RR is moving Michigan towards a smaller faster athlete. It is a gamble/risk and if it pays off it will change the Big Ten, if not then Michigan will continue to "rebuild".

RR is definietly shaking things up. I hope it all works and cannot wait to see what this translates to on the field.

[BlueBallers]

Overall I am pleased but not estatic with Michigan's incoming class.

I am glad RR was able to get 2 QB's. I want no part of a freak injury putting us back into QB hell we were in last year. Great job on overall speed and athletism. I like the number of secondary recuits RR brought in as well.

Did not like losing 2 D-line studs, also RR needed a full 25 class. The quicker he can get his "type" of player, the quicker we can move away from last year's disaster.

RR is moving Michigan towards a smaller faster athlete. It is a gamble/risk and if it pays off it will change the Big Ten, if not then Michigan will continue to "rebuild".

RR is definietly shaking things up. I hope it all works and cannot wait to see what this translates to on the field.

Totally agree with the first point.

I think that moving ferrera back to DT and Hellmuth making the switch to DT is just adding 2 more DT's. Guys that talented can make the switch and contribute rather quickly, look at Carson Butler moving to DE and playing in a matter of weeks. They still have 3 scholarships to offer, don't forget how late we added Odoms last year. Hopefully there is a diamond in the rough out there.

Im not worried about some of the smaller guys. Florida has a few of those and against SEC defenses, they didnt do too bad.

I think people who don't follow Michigan or the Big 1o are going to be suprised at what they see out of Michigan next year. I think they let the nation know that 08 is over with a dominating victory in Week 1(even though it is an inferior opponent, we all know what has happened before)

[bigboyBlue]

RR is moving Michigan towards a smaller faster athlete. It is a gamble/risk and if it pays off it will change the Big Ten, if not then Michigan will continue to "rebuild".

Lemming said a recurring theme for this class is almost all recruits are a bit undersized and a bit faster for their position. It seems RRod likes them faster, and then has Barwis bulk/strengthen them up without losing speed and explosiveness. Hence the CB recruit who will probably play safety, the safety recruit who probably plays LB, the DE who probably plays DT, etc. You're right, it is a different approach than the previous staff, one that takes more than one year to develop these kids before they see the field. It will be interesting to see if it works in the Big Ten.

[amazinblue]

Lemming said a recurring theme for this class is almost all recruits are a bit undersized and a bit faster for their position. It seems RRod likes them faster, and then has Barwis bulk/strengthen them up without losing speed and explosiveness..

I think there's a lot of talk about being "smaller" - I think that there may be some confusion about this. My perception that what we're doing is acquiring, building, and developing "leaner" talent. So, instead of having a lineman at 310 with 30 or 40 pounds of fat, we'll have a 295 lb lineman with a fraction of that - and with better cardiovascular function, and faster, quicker, and stronger than before.

I don't think Michigan is going to be a "small" team - we are going to be stronger, faster, leaner, and tougher than where we've been in recent years.

[bigboyBlue]

I don't think Michigan is going to be a "small" team - we are going to be stronger, faster, leaner, and tougher than where we've been in recent years.

I mostly agree; RR does recruit some smaller players at skill positions (e.g. VSmith is 5'6"). The linemen, on the other hand, are usually skinner than what I've seen Carr recruit, but have big frames for adding weight. That seems to be his idea. And the linemen must add weight; running a 4.7 is impressive but doesn't do much, since they rarely need to speed up. It does help with the athleticism though.

[Don Unverferth]

According to Rivals, we have the #7 ranked class as of 3:37pm EST.

Not to bad after the season we had thsi past year....way to go RichRod!!

To all the people on here crediting RRod with this GREAT recruting class: MICHIGAN IS A BRAND NAME. Much like ND raking in top recruits during bad seasons, the program sells itself and has for years. When was the last time Michigan didn't have a highly rated class? When was the last time Michigan hasn't been able to go across the nation and land recruits with no connection? They have done this for years and will continue to do it whether they go undefeated, lose every game, or bobo the chimp is coaching them.

[Mich97c]

To all the people on here crediting RRod with this GREAT recruting class: MICHIGAN IS A BRAND NAME. Much like ND raking in top recruits during bad seasons, the program sells itself and has for years. When was the last time Michigan didn't have a highly rated class? When was the last time Michigan hasn't been able to go across the nation and land recruits with no connection? They have done this for years and will continue to do it whether they go undefeated, lose every game, or bobo the chimp is coaching them.

Thank you master of the obvious.

Douche Bag.

[Sten Carlson]

or bobo the chimp is coaching them.

I didn't know your wife is in the coaching business Don!

[Don Unverferth]

Thank you master of the obvious.

Douche Bag.

Name calling eh? Go figure. Reality sucks right?

Ohio State was the only school in the Big Ten that had rating consistency in the polls, UM at least stayed within the top 20. Once again the rich get richer and the poor well they stay broke as hell.

[amazinblue]

Name calling eh? Go figure. Reality sucks right?

Ohio State was the only school in the Big Ten that had rating consistency in the polls, UM at least stayed within the top 20. Once again the rich get richer and the poor well they stay broke as hell.

Don,

If your comments merited a thoughtful response, I'd provide one - but they don't, so I won't.

[Don Unverferth]

I didn't know your wife is in the coaching business Don!

Your birth certificate should have been an apology letter from the condom factory Sten!

[RealSchool]

I have really enjoyed this thread and reading what all you think. But once again either Don or osunut are ruining it.

We all know what needs to be done, ban them now.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

Your birth certificate should have been an apology letter from the condom factory Sten!

Your jokes suck, your sense of humor sucks, your life sucks, and your football knowledge sucks...why are you here again?

[amazinblue]

Your jokes suck, your sense of humor sucks, your life sucks, and your football knowledge sucks...why are you here again?


I think it's because He Sucks...

[Don Unverferth]

Your jokes suck, your sense of humor sucks, your life sucks, and your football knowledge sucks...why are you here again?

Dude, take that dress off, put down the samurai sword, and relax.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

I am relaxed, it just baffles me how much time you spend here, thats all. take the dress off?? where do you get your jokes from and how old are you?

[The Michigan Man]

Looks like JT recruited the exact same way he always does - 21 of the 25 are from Ohio or adjoining states. Is he afraid to recruit beyond a one-tank car trip?

tUOS keeps recruiting the same midwestern kids that get chewed up every year by the southern and western kids from the Pac 10, SEC and Big-12. RR has 13 of his 22 from outside of Big-10 country - a true national recruiter. The tide is about to turn...

[Don Unverferth]

Looks like JT recruited the exact same way he always does - 21 of the 25 are from Ohio or adjoining states. Is he afraid to recruit beyond a one-tank car trip?

tUOS keeps recruiting the same midwestern kids that get chewed up every year by the southern and western kids from the Pac 10, SEC and Big-12. RR has 13 of his 22 from outside of Big-10 country - a true national recruiter. The tide is about to turn...

Tress signed 13 from 7 states outside of ohio including Florida and Texas. Do your homework.

RRod doesn't have a home base to recruit, therefore he has no other options than to buy plane tickets. UM annually will pick up kids because of the brand name alone, don't kid yourself.

[amazinblue]

Looks like JT recruited the exact same way he always does - 21 of the 25 are from Ohio or adjoining states. Is he afraid to recruit beyond a one-tank car trip?...

Adjoining states - that means states that share a border with Ohio. Can you read?

[Don Unverferth]

Adjoining states - that means states that share a border with Ohio. Can you read?

Florida and Texas are not adjoining states. Your geography sucks.

That true national recruiting doesn't even buy you a Big Ten Championship does it?

[Mich97c]

Once again the rich get richer and the poor well they stay broke as hell.

Your right - USC, LSU, Florida and Texas had great classes. You're not implying OSU can compete with any of those teams are you? Pickle sniffer.

[Todd]

That true national recruiting doesn't even buy you a Big Ten Championship does it?

My guess is RR's looking to compete nationally...so he's recruiting nationally. If you can do that...the Big Ten's in the bag.

[1OSUNUT]

If you have a problem with Bell, Brown and Pryor - I'm cool with that. These are three of the best players in the nation that Ohio State has landed in the last two years. Should we not go after them because PA is attached to Ohio. We also got Sabino (#1 LB in the nation) last year from Fla. This year we landed Berry and Carter from Fla. Study the recruits before you open your mouth and make an ass of yourself.

[The Michigan Man]

Florida and Texas are not adjoining states. Your geography sucks.

That true national recruiting doesn't even buy you a Big Ten Championship does it?

(My "geography sucks"? You're right, I'm currently in Ohio.)

Wow, you figured out that Florida and Texas don't adjoin Ohio! You must have been the smartest kid on the short bus.

Reread what I said below. 80% of JT's recruits are from Ohio or ADJOINING states. What part of that statement do you find confusing?

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

nut, Don

This is a U of M Forum.. There is an Ohio $tate forum if you must be here. BUT I still can not figure out why you are here, and hijack EVERY thread.. Please just go away...

[Don Unverferth]

(My "geography sucks"? You're right, I'm currently in Ohio.)

Wow, you figured out that Florida and Texas don't adjoin Ohio! You must have been the smartest kid on the short bus.

Reread what I said below. 80% of JT's recruits are from Ohio or ADJOINING states. What part of that statement do you find confusing?

I'm not confused at all and you're taking my comments out of context. But who really cares, you're only a UM fan trying his best to play ball with the big kids on the block. Talk is cheap especially when your team is coming off the worst season in it's history. Maybe next year your nationally recruited team will win more than 3 games. And maybe, just maybe you will be able to compete with those big kids from Ohio and ADJOINING states.

[1OSUNUT]

If Michigan was rich in talent at the high school level RR would not have to look outside the state. The lack of talent is the very reason why Michigan has always had to look elsewhere. We don't have that problem in Ohio.

[Mich97c]

We don't have that problem in Ohio.

No - poverty seems to produce good football players.

[Mich97c]

. And maybe, just maybe you will be able to compete with those big kids from Ohio and ADJOINING states.

I believe were are trying to set ourselves up for competing with those kids from Texas, CA, FL, LA- you know the good football states.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

I'm not confused at all and you're taking my comments out of context. But who really cares, you're only a UM fan trying his best to play ball with the big kids on the block. Talk is cheap especially when your team is coming off the worst season in it's history. Maybe next year your nationally recruited team will win more than 3 games. And maybe, just maybe you will be able to compete with those big kids from Ohio and ADJOINING states.

and that makes you the big boy on a michigan website...damn you must feel cool, in the real world ( you know the one not on the internet) my guess is your not so cool.

[1OSUNUT]

Just remember where your last two Heisman winners came from.

[Mich97c]

Just remember where your last two Heisman winners came from.

Jesus saved them from the bowels of hell and delivered them to paradise -

[Don Unverferth]

Jesus saved them from the bowels of hell and delivered them to paradise -

Jesus should save Michigan Man as well. Or maybe he'll be delivered through a good Ohio bowel movement.

[BLEEDINGBLUE]

Ummmmm SEC What? Huh, did you say something? Last I checked the boys winning it all are down there in SEC country. Hmmm now why would RR want to get some of those kids. I can't figure it out. I guess if I was osu I would understand better. I mean after all, the big kids all play down south and unfortunately those kids at osu can't seem to keep up with those big boys. osu is like the 1st graders in dodgeball. They show up for the game but are always the 1st ones to get bounced out.

[The Michigan Man]

I'm not confused at all and you're taking my comments out of context. But who really cares, you're only a UM fan trying his best to play ball with the big kids on the block. Talk is cheap especially when your team is coming off the worst season in it's history. Maybe next year your nationally recruited team will win more than 3 games. And maybe, just maybe you will be able to compete with those big kids from Ohio and ADJOINING states.

Yes, coming off the worst seasons in history and assembling a top 10 class. The trolls and the drive-by sports media don't believe in RR, yet the people who matter, the recruits, are choosing to come to Ann Arbor to play for him.

Maybe instead of being a parrot and having the same 2-3 responses to every thread (no matter what the subject), you should address the matter at hand: Why is everyone excited that JT is recruiting the same home-grown plodding midwestern kids that have lost him 3 consecutive bowl games? In another year RR's kids from Florida, Cal, and Texas are going to be doing the same thing that the SEC has been doing to tUOS, running circles around the cornfed fatboys like Boren and Boone.

[1OSUNUT]

RR could not do that at WVU and he won't do it at Michigan. When scouts and rivals has OSU #1 and #4 - that is nationally. The kids in Ohio that Tressel is getting have offers from SEC schools as well as Michigan in many cases. He is 7-1 against Michigan and has been to 3 NC games and 5 or 6 BCS bowls. It's hard to knock his sucess. If RR does half that good you will build a bronze statue in his honor out in front of the Big Hole.

The Ohio kids cannot be that bad - RR is sure trying to get them. Tressel goes outside of Ohio to get what he needs. The Buckeyes have just as much pull nationally as Michigan does. You guys should stop thinking about beating the rest of the teams in the country and worry about beating the Buckeyes. Because as long as JT is in Columbus beating you guys will be priority #1.

[blueisbetterthanred]

Because as long as JT is in Columbus beating you guys will be priority #1.

And that is why uos is a national laughing stock. Michigan enjoys beating the scumnuts but we don't hang our season on it. I would rather lose to uos and win in the title game then the other way around, which is how you guys have it and you seem to be actually CONTENT with it.

That is the shame of it all.

[Shane Falco]

I was listening to the radio last night here in Cincinnati, it was about 8:00 on 1530 so it was a national show that was on. There was a guy from rivals on there and when he was asked about Michigan's class he had a very interesting answer. He said RR did very well this year coming out with a top 10class his highest rated class ever. He said RR will look for players coming from the south alot more because they are the type of players that fit his style. Fast & smaller type of players. He said their ranking only may be 3 or 4 stars but when put in his system they play like 5 star players. So I did some research on his career at WV and looked at his rosters while he was there and over 1/2 of his players were from the south so the guy was correct.
Here was recruiting rankings while at WV:
2002- 37th
2003- 46th
2004- 47th
2005- 31st
2006- 52nd
2007- 23rd
His career record at WV was 60-26 with a 3-8 record in his 1st year.
With those rankings and with the record he had at WV I would say RR does a pretty damn good job at recruiting for his system.
Now in his 1st full year of recruiting for Michigan he pulls in a top 10 class with his type of players I would say the sky is the limit for Michigan football.
So OSU can keep recruiting like they do and RR will recruit like the Florida's and LSU's and run circles around OSU.

[bigboyBlue]

Speaking of tUO$....

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2009/02/05/oller_2-5.ART_ART_02-05-09_C1_BFCQ766.html?sid=101

Is this guy their Drew Sharp, or is he right?

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

Yes, coming off the worst seasons in history and assembling a top 10 class. The trolls and the drive-by sports media don't believe in RR, yet the people who matter, the recruits, are choosing to come to Ann Arbor to play for him.

Maybe instead of being a parrot and having the same 2-3 responses to every thread (no matter what the subject), you should address the matter at hand: Why is everyone excited that JT is recruiting the same home-grown plodding midwestern kids that have lost him 3 consecutive bowl games? In another year RR's kids from Florida, Cal, and Texas are going to be doing the same thing that the SEC has been doing to tUOS, running circles around the cornfed fatboys like Boren and Boone.

Id love to hear their response, to this. too bad i never will cause they are a bunch of pussies with obvious psychiatric disorders that lead them to talk shit every day on a michigan website..o well

[1OSUNUT]

And that is why uos is a national laughing stock. Michigan enjoys beating the scumnuts but we don't hang our season on it. I would rather lose to uos and win in the title game then the other way around, which is how you guys have it and you seem to be actually CONTENT with it.

That is the shame of it all.

If you don't beat Ohio State you won't be in any title games. :rolleyes:

[RealSchool]

And that is why uos is a national laughing stock. Michigan enjoys beating the scumnuts but we don't hang our season on it. I would rather lose to uos and win in the title game then the other way around, which is how you guys have it and you seem to be actually CONTENT with it.

That is the shame of it all.

That is my point as well, OSU fans actually think they are some elite team. They are nothing but mediocre playing in the crap big ten.

I guess when you can't even get into a school like OSU (slut and his wife) even this is hard to figure out.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

If you don't beat Ohio State you won't be in any title games. :rolleyes:

Thanks again for proving me right. PUSSY

[NCBLUE]

Michigan traditionally recruits more nationally than oSU because there are more BCS recruits in Ohio than Michigan coming out of high school plus oSU has very little competition from other in state BCS schools. Even when you look at regular student enrollment, Michigan brings in many more students from a national basis that oSU does. Of course you would expect that when you compare the quality of the education received.

Tressel understood from day 1 that beating Michigan and recruiting well in Ohio were critical. he has accomplished both very well. Saying that Tressel has proved more than mortal the last few years. His team's mental state of mind in big games lately have been in shambles. His team's basically curled up in a fetal position against Florida, LSU & USC. (though did better against Texas). Michigan has definitely had it's share of eye opening loses but on the big stage they have not given up as oSU did in those games.

We can only hope RR can truley grow to appreciate the magnitude of the rivalry and what it means to his success. I think he will....

[1OSUNUT]

Michigan had one win against Florida. They also had losses to Texas and USC before that. So don't make it sound like Michigan has done so good in its bowl games recently.

[Bigg Blue Rulz]

I don't think anyone on here should have to explain to you OSU nutlickers anything about our bowl games. How does it feel to beat Florida-oh i'm sorry,you wouldn't know.

[1OSUNUT]

You beat Florida twice in 07 and 02. But thats all.

2001 - lost 45-17 to Tenn
2003 - lost 28-14 to USC
2004 - lost 38-37 to Texas
2005 - lost 32-28 to Nebraska :D
2006 - lost 32-18 to USC


* Yeah real dominate bowl record. You guys cannot say squat about Ohio State with results like that.

[GoDeepHammer]

You beat Florida twice in 07 and 02. But thats all.

2001 - lost 45-17 to Tenn
2003 - lost 28-14 to USC
2004 - lost 38-37 to Texas
2005 - lost 32-28 to Nebraska :D
2006 - lost 32-18 to USC


* Yeah real dominate bowl record. You guys cannot say squat about Ohio State with results like that.

He probably should have said SEC teams. That is osu's real thorn in the side.

To bad you guys set Beockman or you probably could have beat Texas.

[Mich97c]

* Yeah real dominate bowl record. You guys cannot say squat about Ohio State with results like that.

To pretend OSU is among college football's elite is joke. Take away two easy BCS match up's (ND and KSU who did not belong in BCS games) and you have have only one win (a very questionable one at that).

We're not tooting our own horn - just don't understand the bashing from a "so-so" program.

[Shane Falco]

You beat Florida twice in 07 and 02. But thats all.

2001 - lost 45-17 to Tenn
2003 - lost 28-14 to USC
2004 - lost 38-37 to Texas
2005 - lost 32-28 to Nebraska :D
2006 - lost 32-18 to USC


* Yeah real dominate bowl record. You guys cannot say squat about Ohio State with results like that.

Again that was Lloyd Carr led teams and that is one reason that fans wanted him out. Michigan fans do not like losing Bowl games especially to big time programs.
Tressell keeps losing all these Bowl games and you want to keep blowing him.

That is the difference between Michigan and O$U fans. Michigan fans want them to be the best in the country while O$U fans only care about beating Michigan and being the best in the Big Ten.

[Don Unverferth]

Yes, coming off the worst seasons in history and assembling a top 10 class. The trolls and the drive-by sports media don't believe in RR, yet the people who matter, the recruits, are choosing to come to Ann Arbor to play for him.

Only one poll had UM in the top ten and you just made it in. As I mentioned before, Michigan is a Brand name, you will sign top recruits by using the name and the tradition alone. What's even more appealing for these kids is the opportunity to jump in and play right away, not only are there many holes to fill but you have marginal talent returning to a 3-9 team. How many kids are going to turn down a coach who tells them they can play right away at a major program like UM? Yet RRod had numerous de-commits and many of the kids that signed were wavering right up to signing day. Conversely Tress had his class cemented months ago and only one kid was Zooked one day prior to signing. OSU had just 30 players in for official visits. The NCAA allows 56, but OSU had in just 30, of which 25 signed. That is an extremely high closing ratio in any business.


Maybe instead of being a parrot and having the same 2-3 responses to every thread (no matter what the subject), you should address the matter at hand: Why is everyone excited that JT is recruiting the same home-grown plodding midwestern kids that have lost him 3 consecutive bowl games? In another year RR's kids from Florida, Cal, and Texas are going to be doing the same thing that the SEC has been doing to tUOS, running circles around the cornfed fatboys like Boren and Boone.

UM has always recruited nationally, so does Lindenwood University in St. Charles, MO. How is RRod's recruitment of kids from Florida, Cal and Texas any different than Lloyd's?

All 4 major polls have us in the top 5 this year, two have us at #1. Last year we were in the top 5 as well...nothing to be excited about. :rolleyes: Many of these "midwestern" kids were offered by SEC teams as well so obviously Les and Urban didn't mind plodding around in the corn fields for commits. Granted, lately we haven't shown up the way we should have in the "Big" games but you're incorrect if you believe our recruiting strategy is somehow flawed.

[1OSUNUT]

Again that was Lloyd Carr led teams and that is one reason that fans wanted him out. Michigan fans do not like losing Bowl games especially to big time programs.
Tressell keeps losing all these Bowl games and you want to keep blowing him.

That is the difference between Michigan and O$U fans. Michigan fans want them to be the best in the country while O$U fans only care about beating Michigan and being the best in the Big Ten.

I guess that they did not happen then because Carr was the coach. You guys sure don't have a problem accepting his final win as coach against Florida. So if your going to brag about that win - then accept the losses as well. It's an easy formula. If Ohio State dominates the Big Ten and beats Michigan then the BCS bowls and NC will be within reach. Michigan had better worry about beating Ohio State or they will never be an elite team. Michigan is the #1 concern for the Ohio State program.

[amazinblue]

...Michigan had better worry about beating Ohio State or they will never be an elite team. Michigan is the #1 concern for the Ohio State program.

Nut,

With your Buckeyes - a pre-season national championship contender, returning 22 starters last season, and "of course" reloading, not rebuilding this season - I think that you may consider taking Michigan more seriously this season and in the future.

Personally, though I think this season will still offer challenges for the Maize and Blue, I think the Bucks will face a much tougher opponent in upcoming seasons than they have over the past six or seven years.

And, though Michigan is the #1 concern for OSU - as you say, I believe that RR and the staff are setting Michigan's goals to be the #1 team in the country.

[Shane Falco]

I guess that they did not happen then because Carr was the coach. You guys sure don't have a problem accepting his final win as coach against Florida. So if your going to brag about that win - then accept the losses as well. It's an easy formula. If Ohio State dominates the Big Ten and beats Michigan then the BCS bowls and NC will be within reach. Michigan had better worry about beating Ohio State or they will never be an elite team. Michigan is the #1 concern for the Ohio State program.

Hey dickweed, It's only a matter of time before Michigan starts to treat O$U like all the other top teams in the country do and that is as their bitch.

And who does not accept any losses. I accept the losses and the wins. But when it comes to a point that when you keep losing to the top teams in the country like Carr did then it is time for him to go.
But like I said, O$U fans will keep Tressell around and keep blowing him as long as they compete in the Big Ten.

[Sten Carlson]

Only one poll had UM in the top ten and you just made it in. As I mentioned before, Michigan is a Brand name, you will sign top recruits by using the name and the tradition alone. What's even more appealing for these kids is the opportunity to jump in and play right away, not only are there many holes to fill but you have marginal talent returning to a 3-9 team. How many kids are going to turn down a coach who tells them they can play right away at a major program like UM? Yet RRod had numerous de-commits and many of the kids that signed were wavering right up to signing day. Conversely Tress had his class cemented months ago and only one kid was Zooked one day prior to signing. OSU had just 30 players in for official visits. The NCAA allows 56, but OSU had in just 30, of which 25 signed. That is an extremely high closing ratio in any business.



All 4 major polls have us in the top 5 this year, two have us at #1. Last year we were in the top 5 as well...nothing to be excited about. :rolleyes: Many of these "midwestern" kids were offered by SEC teams as well so obviously Les and Urban didn't mind plodding around in the corn fields for commits. Granted, lately we haven't shown up the way we should have in the "Big" games but you're incorrect if you believe our recruiting strategy is somehow flawed.

Don,

The point that MM is trying to make is that you're beloved Buckeyes are good enough to beat the Big 10, but NOBODY else -- hell, you guys even have trouble scoring on Ohio and Akron. RR has decided to take Michigan in a new direction, with a goal to be a NATIONAL contender, not just a Big 10 contender. Getting a guy to come to Michigan from Florida is significant not only because FL has some of the best talent, but because they are NOT going to UF, FSU, Miami, or even CFU or the others. That represents a coup, a changing of the guard so to speak, and as the years go on, Michigan, with their new philosophy, is going to become a more viable option for talent out of Florida than it ever was before.

Yes, Michigan is a brand, and yes Michigan is going to attract talent from all over the country. But, it is obvious that RR is aiming his sights on certain hot beds of talent, and the point the MM is making is that OSU isn't or cannot bring that much clout to the table. Yes, OSU gets a guy or two from Florida, TX, or California, but for the most part they are an Ohio team -- made all the easier due to the lack of any competition from other Ohio schools. Furthermore, that Ohio-sentric team hasn't been able to beat a top tier opponent on a national stage in a while, so perhaps the strategy isn't the best.

For example, down here in Austin, they talk about how Mack Brown spends less on recruiting travel than anyone because all he has to do it drive from Austin to other places in the state to fill his recruiting boards. OSU is similar, except Texas seems to have better skill players coming out of high school than Ohio. I think I read that 5 (maybe more) QBs from the state of Texas got D1 scholarships this season. Mack has his pick every season -- and if you ever see a kid from Texas go to LSU, or Florida or someplace else, it's because there was something that Mack didn't like about him, something that wasn't on the field perhaps. Mack, like Bo did, recruits character -- does JT do the same?

The system was broken at Michigan, and so it has been changed. I am not saying that the system at OSU is broken, but there is definitely something wrong with the fact that y'all have such great classes every year, so much depth and talent, and such great expectations, yet continually fall flat on the big stage (although this year was a bit better than past years). So what needs to change in your camp? Since you spend so much time holding all our feet to the fire, how about a little quid pro quo?

As Einstein said, "you cannot solve a problem with the same logic used to create it..."

Ohio has great talent, but is that enough, or is that a curse dressed like a blessing? Is that a curse because they don't NEED to look elsewhere, and if they do, the kid doesn't want to be surrounded by a bunch of Ohio-Dbags and would rather play for Mack, or Bobby, or Pete, or Urban with a bunch of kids that played with in high school? When you think about the job that has always been done at Michigan in recruiting, given the fact that so little talent comes from inside the state, it is impressive that we've been able to compete as well as we have historically. Now, RR is turning that up a notch, and showing coaches everywhere, that he has the ability to get the best away from the best, and that is something that all coaches are sitting up and taking notice of -- I promise you JT is aware of what RR just pulled off, and that it is giving him pause!

[1OSUNUT]

The problem that Ohio State has right now is not physical. The Buckeyes have as much talent as anybody in the country. The problem right now is mental and game planning. All you have to do is look at the NFL draft and you will see that talent is not the question. Ohio State has always played a very conventional style of football. They are trying to change that. I expect a more wide open attack under Pryor and in years to come. The winds of change are starting to blow in Columbus. I expect a very explosive offense this year.

RR has never been a national power. He has never had to play so many tough teams in one season that really work hard to play solid defense. He has his work cut out just to win the Big Ten - yet alone a National Title. He had superior teams in WV and could not seal the deal. When Michigan win 4 or 5 games this year we will see how you all feel.

[Shane Falco]

The problem that Ohio State has right now is not physical. The Buckeyes have as much talent as anybody in the country. The problem right now is mental and game planning. All you have to do is look at the NFL draft and you will see that talent is not the question. Ohio State has always played a very conventional style of football. They are trying to change that. I expect a more wide open attack under Pryor and in years to come. The winds of change are starting to blow in Columbus. I expect a very explosive offense this year.

RR has never been a national power. He has never had to play so many tough teams in one season that really work hard to play solid defense. He has his work cut out just to win the Big Ten - yet alone a National Title. He had superior teams in WV and could not seal the deal. When Michigan win 4 or 5 games this year we will see how you all feel.

So many tough teams in one season? You do know we are in the Big Ten right? And like I said in another post. RR has never had the talent at WV that he will get at Michigan and still won more than his share of games.

[Sten Carlson]

The problem that Ohio State has right now is not physical. The Buckeyes have as much talent as anybody in the country. The problem right now is mental and game planning. All you have to do is look at the NFL draft and you will see that talent is not the question. Ohio State has always played a very conventional style of football. They are trying to change that. I expect a more wide open attack under Pryor and in years to come. The winds of change are starting to blow in Columbus. I expect a very explosive offense this year.

RR has never been a national power. He has never had to play so many tough teams in one season that really work hard to play solid defense. He has his work cut out just to win the Big Ten - yet alone a National Title. He had superior teams in WV and could not seal the deal. When Michigan win 4 or 5 games this year we will see how you all feel.


You're an idiot Nut, and again, your post answers NOTHING. I contended that OSU problem is one of over abundance of Ohio talent, and JT inability, or unwillingness to get players from the other hot-beds of high school football talent. This Ohio-centric tactic has kept OSU as a force in the Big 10, but a laughing stoke on the National stage. They only get into the big games because of lucky breaks and circumstances that are beyond their control.

So, again, the point of my post and others in here, is to contract the in-bred way OSU looks at recruiting, and the way that RR seems to look at recruiting. Yes, this is a step up for RR, but I think this season's incoming class is an indication that he is up for the challenge and is going to quickly bring Michigan back to the top of the heap. Again, OSU looks predominantly in their own backyard as it is full of great players. Michigan, cannot do that. But, I am asking you, is that enough, or is OSU inability to take all that talent on the national stage and perform an indication that the tactic isn't working as well as it could?

All you ever do is disparage Michigan and extol the virtues of OSU. We're an easy target right now, that is for sure. But, I am very confident that the momentum has already shifted, and we're going to see the results of the work that RR is putting in a few short months. No matter what you say, you're so biased that it makes your opinion virtually worthless. Until you admit that JT and his staff are underachieving, you're never going to have any credibility in my book.

[Don Unverferth]

Don,

The point that MM is trying to make is that you're beloved Buckeyes are good enough to beat the Big 10, but NOBODY else -- hell, you guys even have trouble scoring on Ohio and Akron. RR has decided to take Michigan in a new direction, with a goal to be a NATIONAL contender, not just a Big 10 contender. Getting a guy to come to Michigan from Florida is significant not only because FL has some of the best talent, but because they are NOT going to UF, FSU, Miami, or even CFU or the others. That represents a coup, a changing of the guard so to speak, and as the years go on, Michigan, with their new philosophy, is going to become a more viable option for talent out of Florida than it ever was before.

Yes, Michigan is a brand, and yes Michigan is going to attract talent from all over the country. But, it is obvious that RR is aiming his sights on certain hot beds of talent, and the point the MM is making is that OSU isn't or cannot bring that much clout to the table. Yes, OSU gets a guy or two from Florida, TX, or California, but for the most part they are an Ohio team -- made all the easier due to the lack of any competition from other Ohio schools. Furthermore, that Ohio-sentric team hasn't been able to beat a top tier opponent on a national stage in a while, so perhaps the strategy isn't the best.

For example, down here in Austin, they talk about how Mack Brown spends less on recruiting travel than anyone because all he has to do it drive from Austin to other places in the state to fill his recruiting boards. OSU is similar, except Texas seems to have better skill players coming out of high school than Ohio. I think I read that 5 (maybe more) QBs from the state of Texas got D1 scholarships this season. Mack has his pick every season -- and if you ever see a kid from Texas go to LSU, or Florida or someplace else, it's because there was something that Mack didn't like about him, something that wasn't on the field perhaps. Mack, like Bo did, recruits character -- does JT do the same?

The system was broken at Michigan, and so it has been changed. I am not saying that the system at OSU is broken, but there is definitely something wrong with the fact that y'all have such great classes every year, so much depth and talent, and such great expectations, yet continually fall flat on the big stage (although this year was a bit better than past years). So what needs to change in your camp? Since you spend so much time holding all our feet to the fire, how about a little quid pro quo?

As Einstein said, "you cannot solve a problem with the same logic used to create it..."

Ohio has great talent, but is that enough, or is that a curse dressed like a blessing? Is that a curse because they don't NEED to look elsewhere, and if they do, the kid doesn't want to be surrounded by a bunch of Ohio-Dbags and would rather play for Mack, or Bobby, or Pete, or Urban? When you think about the job that has always been done at Michigan in recruiting, given the fact that so little talent comes from inside the state, it is impressive that we've been able to compete as well as we have historically. Now, RR is turning that up a notch, and showing coaches everywhere, that he has the ability to get the best away from the best, and that is something that all coaches are sitting up and taking notice of -- I promise you JT is aware of what RR just pulled off, and that it is giving him pause!

Again, how is the recruitment of kids from across the country any different now than it was under Carr? You are acting as though UM was never a national contender. Didn't Carr win a NC? Florida kids have been picking UM over FL, FSU and Miami for years and now all of a sudden it's a coup?

JT chooses to recruit many kids from Ohio because these kids are damn good, I would guarantee you that Urban Meyer would not destroy that recruiting base if he were coach there, and trust me he would love the opportunity to coach at tOSU. JT also has major competition from schools like USC, Notre Dame, Pitt, PSU, MSU and WVU. At UM you have no other choice than to recruit nationally.

And sorry to burst your bubble but this year's recruiting class at UM was not special at all, just very typical. And sub-par to many of Lloyd's recruiting classes. Yet you say that RRod is picking it up a notch? Recruiting athletes that have future potential at other positions or have potential for growth is not a new science.

[bigboyBlue]

returning to recruiting, nothing crazy, just a compilation of things I've been reading everywhere (Rivals free stuff, Mgoblue, mgoblog, etc):

- Bell and Mike Jones are prospects to grow from safety into LB positions.

- Turner could play/grow from CB to safety.

- Lalota could grow from DE to DT.

- Witty was on the school 4x100 track team! Many coaches consider him the biggest steal of the class.

[Sten Carlson]

Again, how is the recruitment of kids from across the country any different now than it was under Carr? You are acting as though UM was never a national contender. Didn't Carr win a NC? Florida kids have been picking UM over FL, FSU and Miami for years and now all of a sudden it's a coup?

JT chooses to recruit many kids from Ohio because these kids are damn good, I would guarantee you that Urban Meyer would not destroy that recruiting base if he were coach there, and trust me he would love the opportunity to coach at tOSU. JT also has major competition from schools like USC, Notre Dame, Pitt, PSU, MSU and WVU. At UM you have no other choice than to recruit nationally.

And sorry to burst your bubble but this year's recruiting class at UM was not special at all, just very typical. And sub-par to many of Lloyd's recruiting classes. Yet you say that RRod is picking it up a notch?

Under Carr, Don, Michigan went after a different style of player from around the country, and look what that got us in the end. If you look back to the teams that Moeller had, and players that he recruited, you'll see that he was beginning to shift the team toward a more "modern" style of play -- i.e., he had his finger on the pulse of the game and knew what was coming down the pike. Carr won with Moeller's amazing players -- mostly on defense.

Yes, we've always had no choice but to recruit nationally, and yes Carr did a good job bringing talent in, but did Carr ever get the most players out of Florida after UF, Miami, and FSU? I don't think he did -- that is a coup, and very special!

Yes, Don, you're correct, the players from Ohio are damn good, but I don't think they're as good at the skill positions as the players from Florida and Texas. Which is why RR is going after them so heavily and using a great tactic of getting multiple kids from the same school, teammates coming to Ann Arbor already have rapport and feel comfortable. I am not saying that JT should give up on Ohio, by no means. All I am asking, which you and Nut are always so defensive that you refuse to answer, is if the kids from Ohio are so damn good, and if JT is getting the lion's share of that talent, why does OSU still lose the big one?

Do they lose because their players are incompetent morons that barely graduated high school? Or maybe it's the coaches, or maybe it's because the talent in Ohio isn't as great as you and everyone else think it is, and OSU's reliance upon that, and pretty much only that, is causing a gap to develop between themselves and the teams of the Pac 10 and the SEC.

Under Carr Michigan saw first hand what will happen when you get complacent, when you think you're going be great forever just by doing what you've always done. I for one am just very glad to see Michigan put its trust in someone like RR, someone that is not afraid to head in an new direction, and to bring in more of the players that seem to be making all the other schools great.

You can disparage him or say anything you like, but as I said, JT and the other coaches around the country are well aware of what is going on at Michigan since RR took over. They, unlike you and your moronic brethren, look at more than just last year's record. They look at the big picture, and the overhaul, the change in philosophy, the change in recruiting tendencies, and the change in the culture of Michigan football. Again, you're just so biased, such a homer, that you cannot even for an instant look at the big picture and comment objectively -- you have to add your stupid comments and you one-sided inane arguments.

I don't think special is getting 8 of the seniors from Glendale, no matter how good you think they are -- you should be getting them. As you mentioned before, the last two Heisman winners, plus the QB that threw to one of them, were all from Ohio -- there is a reason they didn't go to OSU, because they had a brain, they wanted something different from the same old tired OSU bullshit, they wanted to be Michigan Men! Don't be surprised if over the next few seasons more and more Ohio kids begin to come up north, and OSU strangle hold on Ohio begins to lessen -- just like the Florida schools have begun to observe!

[Mich97c]

I would guarantee you that Urban Meyer would not destroy that recruiting base if he were coach there, and trust me he would love the opportunity to coach at tOSU. JT also has major competition from schools like USC, Notre Dame, Pitt, PSU, MSU and WVU. At UM you have no other choice than to recruit nationally.



I'm sure Meyer would love to leave his two NC's in the heart of the best talent in high school to freeze his butt off in OH. I don't care if he's from there but there is no draw to OSU from FL. FL is an elite college football program - OSU is not.

And no one is saying RR can recruit better than Carr. We are hoping he does something with recruits that Carr couldn't.

[Silver Bullet]

I'm sure Meyer would love to leave his two NC's in the heart of the best talent in high school to freeze his butt off in OH. I don't care if he's from there but there is no draw to OSU from FL. FL is an elite college football program - OSU is not.

And no one is saying RR can recruit better than Carr. We are hoping he does something with recruits that Carr couldn't.

Wow, you're right there. He has absolutely no interest in OSU.
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20081120/COLUMNISTS0306/811200343/1065/SPORTS
Here's a highlight:
In his authorized biography "Urban's Way," written with former FLORIDA TODAY sports editor Buddy Martin, Meyer refers to his Big Three coaching jobs, the only three his wife Shelley has no veto power to block him from taking a job at. They are Notre Dame, Ohio State and Michigan.

[Sten Carlson]

Wow, you're right there. He has absolutely no interest in OSU.
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20081120/COLUMNISTS0306/811200343/1065/SPORTS

It mentioned OSU, as it did Michigan, but if Urban leaves to go anywhere its obviously going to be ND, at least according to this article -- especially considering Weiss has been a flop and JT hasn't, I don't see Urban going to OSU ever, unless JT gets run out of town after RR starts beating him like a rented mule and he continues to lose the big one (but then, when he starts losing to Michigan, he won't be in the big one).

[Don Unverferth]

Yes, we've always had no choice but to recruit nationally, and yes Carr did a good job bringing talent in, but did Carr ever get the most players out of Florida after UF, Miami, and FSU? I don't think he did -- that is a coup, and very special!



Well, RRod didn't get much out of his players this year and certainly there was nothing special about his second recruiting class, at least on paper, so we'll see what magic he has in store for you next year. Don't kid yourself though, any new coach would have installed a new system at UM simply because it's a new coaching staff, I wouldn't try to weave anything special into it because you may have quite a let down.

[Silver Bullet]

It mentioned OSU, as it did Michigan, but if Urban leaves to go anywhere its obviously going to be ND, at least according to this article -- especially considering Weiss has been a flop and JT hasn't, I don't see Urban going to OSU ever, unless JT gets run out of town after RR starts beating him like a rented mule and he continues to lose the big one (but then, when he starts losing to Michigan, he won't be in the big one).

If all 3 jobs came open at once I think he would go to whichever school would pay him the most....but I think he sees himself as an NFL coach eventually anyway. He could very well end up at Um if RR keeps losing to Mac schools and missing bowl games.

[1OSUNUT]

You Michigan fans would shit your pants if when Tressel leaves - Urban Meyer steps in. :D

[Mich97c]

You Michigan fans would shit your pants if when Tressel leaves - Urban Meyer steps in. :D

as would you if he came to Michigan

[Sten Carlson]

Well, RRod didn't get much out of his players this year and certainly there was nothing special about his second recruiting class, at least on paper, so we'll see what magic he has in store for you next year. Don't kid yourself though, any new coach would have installed a new system at UM simply because it's a new coaching staff, I wouldn't try to weave anything special into it because you may have quite a let down.

Moron!

He got a lot out of HIS players in '08, the problem was that there were so many of Carr's players there -- not to mention two walk-on freshman QBs that were the worst in school history. Players that as we've discussed in here at length, were ill-conditioned, poorly developed, and not used to playing the system that RR brought in. The guys that RR did recruit, performed well, and will be major producers on this year's team, and into the future.

You mean let down like you have been with all the damn good Ohio talent you have and barely being able to beat Ohio and Akron, losing to PSU and getting smacked by Texas? Or was it more like the let down you had after lucking into two NC games and getting run out of the buildings? Is that the kind of let down you're talking about? You should be more concerned with your own let downs, and not so concerned with our potential let down (which I don't think is coming).

I think you're 100% off base. I think most new coaches would have NOT installed a new system, they would have looked at Michigan and said, "if I just keep on keeping on, I'll be fine!" Mallett might have stayed (doubtful) and maybe they'd have won a few more. I think that is why Michigan got a great one in RR -- he has the sack to make the changes necessary for future success.

There is nothing special about this class? You're as blind as you are stupid! And once again, you refuse to comment on the fact that RR got more Florida recruits than any other school outside Florida -- that is something unique, that is something special, and that my poor deluded friend, is why Michigan made the right decision in hiring RR -- and that is why I contend that OSU has peaked in their evolution, they're recruiting too heavily and relying too much on Ohio and only Ohio players!

[Sten Carlson]

You Michigan fans would shit your pants if when Tressel leaves - Urban Meyer steps in. :D

We'd shit our pants and than have your wife come along and lick us clean, so it wouldn't be that bad!

[bluestimestwo]

Well, RRod didn't get much out of his players this year and certainly there was nothing special about his second recruiting class, at least on paper, so we'll see what magic he has in store for you next year. Don't kid yourself though, any new coach would have installed a new system at UM simply because it's a new coaching staff, I wouldn't try to weave anything special into it because you may have quite a let down.

Don, don't fool yourself. The difference between the #3 and #7 recruiting classes (per Rivals, or even #1 and #13 per Scout) is not that dramatic. Recruiting rankings are just a series of educated guesses anyway. Considering last year's results, this class was outstanding.

From which players was he supposed to get results? The freshman QB who does not fit the system and was playing injured all season? The walk-on QB? The makeshift O-line that was decimated by injuries and lack of depth? All of the freshmen skill players? It was a rebuilding year, and it looked like it. Even so, we were a few plays away from being 6-6 and heading to a bowl.

As I said before, you are comparing apples and oranges. The transition to the spread is a MAJOR change. It requires completely different players at most positions. Add to that the fact that our offense was incredibly young, and RR's results were unfortunate, but not surprising. This year will be better, and next year should see us compete for the Big Ten.

[Swoosh]

You Michigan fans would shit your pants if when Tressel leaves - Urban Meyer steps in. :D

Urban VS RR would be some great games;) Big Ten would rule once again, I am all for it.

[Don Unverferth]

Moron!

He got a lot out of HIS players in '08, the problem was that there were so many of Carr's players there. Players that as we've discussed in here at length, were ill-conditioned, poorly developed, and not used to playing the system that RR brought in. The guys that RR did recruit, performed well, and will be major producers on this year's team, and into the future.

You mean let down like you have been with all the damn good Ohio talent you have and barely being able to beat Ohio and Akron, losing to PSU and getting smacked by Texas? Or was it more like the let down you had after lucking into two NC games and getting run out of the buildings? Is that the kind of let down you're talking about? You should be more concerned with your own let downs, and not so concerned with our potential let down (which I don't think is coming).

I think you're 100% off base. I think most new coaches would have NOT installed a new system, they would have looked at Michigan and said, "if I just keep on keeping on, I'll be fine!" Mallett might have stayed (doubtful) and maybe they'd have won a few more. I think that is why Michigan got a great one in RR -- he has the sack to make the changes necessary for future success.

There is nothing special about this class? You're as blind as you are stupid! And once again, you refuse to comment on the fact that RR got more Florida recruits than any other school outside Florida -- that is something unique, that is something special, and that my poor deluded friend, is why Michigan made the right decision in hiring RR -- and that is why I contend that OSU has peaked in their evolution, they're recruiting too heavily and relying too much on Ohio and only Ohio players!

My convoluted friend. It's one thing to be disappointed over losing a NC game or losing a very close game to Texas in a BCS bowl. It's a whole different story losing 9 games in one season. When you are a head coach you are responsible for everyone on that team. Last year you SUCKED!!

Having two dicks and three balls is unique, recruiting kids from Florida is as common as recruiting kids from Ohio or Texas, EVERYBODY DOES IT! How ignorant can you be? Do you have any history with college football? Just because RRod ran up a few extra from that state doesn't guarantee anything. 3 polls didn't even pick you in the top ten yet you are saying that somehow just because some of the kids are from Florida they will eventually become Heisman winners and win National Championships? The only thing unique about recruiting more in the sunshine state is that your tan will be darker than others.

True, most other coaches would have utilized the current talent at UM for a year or so until they would be successful implemented a new system. Instead of forcing in a brand new system right away as RRod did.

[Shane Falco]

Well, RRod didn't get much out of his players this year and certainly there was nothing special about his second recruiting class, at least on paper, so we'll see what magic he has in store for you next year. Don't kid yourself though, any new coach would have installed a new system at UM simply because it's a new coaching staff, I wouldn't try to weave anything special into it because you may have quite a let down.

Again let me explain the facts for you fuckin morons. RR's recruiting rankings while at WV were 37th, 46th, 47th, 31st, 52nd, 23rd, 42nd, & 27th.
Despite those recruiting rankings RR was 60-26 in his career at WV including 3-8 in his first year.
So don't come in here and say he don't get much out of his players you idiot.
And I don't want to hear your BS about it being in the Big East either because the Big 10 isn't much better right now.

So just because his recruits may not look good on paper they sure in the hell are going to look great running past O$U's fat and slow ass team.

I am done. Until you and Nut are kicked off this site for your hatred towards Michigan I will not post anymore. Most of the other O$U posters I can deal with because at least they make some good points and actually know O$U football.

[BlueArrogance]

You Michigan fans would shit your pants if when Tressel leaves - Urban Meyer steps in. :D

I don't think Michigan fans are all that concerned with Urban Meyer.

I seem to recall our team beating his. Unlike a different game in 2006.

I might just have bad memory though.

[Mich97c]

The only thing unique about recruiting more in the sunshine state is that your tan will be darker than others.

You're a racist. It is a well known fact that kids from FL are faster, stronger and better looking than kids from Ohio. It's not opinion - it's science.

[Sten Carlson]

My convoluted friend. It's one thing to be disappointed over losing a NC game or losing a very close game to Texas in a BCS bowl. It's a whole different story losing 9 games in one season. When you are a head coach you are responsible for everyone on that team. Last year you SUCKED!!

Having two dicks and three balls is unique, recruiting kids from Florida is as common as recruiting kids from Ohio or Texas, EVERYBODY DOES IT! How ignorant can you be? Do you have any history with college football? Just because RRod ran up a few extra from that state doesn't guarantee anything. 3 polls didn't even pick you in the top ten yet you are saying that somehow just because some of the kids are from Florida they will eventually become Heisman winners and win National Championships? The only thing unique about recruiting more in the sunshine state is that your tan will be darker than others.

Convoluted, wow, big word Don -- are you sure you know what it means?

Yes, I agree, when you're the head coach of a team, you are responsible for the players on that team -- however, there is the exception of the times when a NEW head coach takes over, and is forced to play with the players that he inherited.

Yes last year's team sucked, but to be honest with you, everyone that knew anything about Michigan football expected them to suck, so the disappointment wasn't all that bad. You guys, by contrast, EXPECTED greatness from your team and fell short of the mark, AGAIN for the third time! The game with Texas was close, but only because Colt and the Horns were a bit rusty and it is always easier for a rusty defense to play well than a rusty offense based on timing and rhythm like Texas'. Play Texas in November, and UT wins by 40!

The funny part is that you think that telling me that we sucked last year is somehow a great jab, or that you're going to get under my skin. I am glad we sucked last year, to be honest. I was so sick of the Carr b.s. that I wanted to puke. A year like last year separates the wheat from the chaff, the true Michigan Men from the people that just are fans, and also gives morons like you a false sense of superiority and security. Further, a season like we experienced last season is a great opportunity to bring in guys that want to be a part of the resurgence of the program, that want to be part of something larger than themselves.

I am not saying that anyone is going to be a Heisman winning, and yes, everyone recruits from Florida. But, as I have now said three times, RR was the first coach in Michigan history (and probably Big 10 history for that matter) to get MORE Florida recruits than any other school outside of the big 3 in Florida. What is so hard for you to understand about that. I really think you're an idiot.

Its not because SOME of the kids are from Florida that has me excited, its the fact that MANY of the kids are from Florida, and that will bode well for the future. Florida, not Ohio, is the #1 football state it the country, followed by Texas, then California, then Ohio and Penn. The more kids we can get from Florida, the better, in my opinion.

Michigan: 8 FL, 0 TX, 1 CA, 3 OH, 1 PA.
OSU: 3 FL, 1 TX, 0 CA, 13 OH, 2, PA.
Texas: 19 TX, 1 AR (amazing)
Oklahoma: 11 TX
Florida: 8 FL (hmmm...seem to have seen that number before somewhere above)

Nearly 3x the number of players from Florida are coming to Ann Arbor than are going to OSU, and the same number that are going UF. Think that number is going to increase when guys see their friends and former teammates going up north and torching opponents under RR's explosive offense?

So go ahead, keep believing in your own superiority, that is just the way that we want you to believe. While you're out their stroking yourself about how much talent you guys have, and how Ohio has the best high school football, and blah blah blah, we'll go down south and get the players that are the true cream of the crop, and bring them to Ann Arbor, and kick your ass!

[bigboyBlue]

Actually Purdue picked up 13-14 FL kids I think, mostly the 3*s. Still, 8 is a pretty good number.

[Don Unverferth]

Convoluted, wow, big word Don -- are you sure you know what it means?

Yes, I agree, when you're the head coach of a team, you are responsible for the players on that team -- however, there is the exception of the times when a NEW head coach takes over, and is forced to play with the players that he inherited.

Yes last year's team sucked, but to be honest with you, everyone that knew anything about Michigan football expected them to suck, so the disappointment wasn't all that bad. You guys, by contrast, EXPECTED greatness from your team and fell short of the mark, AGAIN for the third time! The game with Texas was close, but only because Colt and the Horns were a bit rusty and it is always easier for a rusty defense to play well than a rusty offense based on timing and rhythm like Texas'. Play Texas in November, and UT wins by 40!

The funny part is that you think that telling me that we sucked last year is somehow a great jab, or that you're going to get under my skin. I am glad we sucked last year, to be honest. I was so sick of the Carr b.s. that I wanted to puke. A year like last year separates the wheat from the chaff, the true Michigan Men from the people that just are fans, and also gives morons like you a false sense of superiority and security. Further, a season like we experienced last season is a great opportunity to bring in guys that want to be a part of the resurgence of the program, that want to be part of something larger than themselves.

I am not saying that anyone is going to be a Heisman winning, and yes, everyone recruits from Florida. But, as I have now said three times, RR was the first coach in Michigan history (and probably Big 10 history for that matter) to get MORE Florida recruits than any other school outside of the big 3 in Florida. What is so hard for you to understand about that. I really think you're an idiot.

Its not because SOME of the kids are from Florida that has me excited, its the fact that MANY of the kids are from Florida, and that will bode well for the future. Florida, not Ohio, is the #1 football state it the country, followed by Texas, then California, then Ohio and Penn. The more kids we can get from Florida, the better, in my opinion.

Michigan: 8 FL, 0 TX, 1 CA, 3 OH, 1 PA.
OSU: 3 FL, 1 TX, 0 CA, 13 OH, 2, PA.
Texas: 19 TX, 1 AR (amazing)
Oklahoma: 11 TX
Florida: 8 FL (hmmm...seem to have seen that number before somewhere above)

Nearly 3x the number of players from Florida are coming to Ann Arbor than are going to OSU, and the same number that are going UF. Think that number is going to increase when guys see their friends and former teammates going up north and torching opponents under RR's explosive offense?

So go ahead, keep believing in your own superiority, that is just the way that we want you to believe. While you're out their stroking yourself about how much talent you guys have, and how Ohio has the best high school football, and blah blah blah, we'll go down south and get the players that are the true cream of the crop, and bring them to Ann Arbor, and kick your ass!

Sten, Sten, Sten...

Yes I do know what convoluted means and that's exactly why I'm still here typing this to you.

You are continually agreeing with me so why the soap opera? You're spinning the facts so much that I really don't think you are reading what you are typing.

A new head coach always has to field the current roster, so what?. WHAT is new about that? You are not new to this site so why do you think everyone anticipated a UM melt down this year? On the contrary almost every poster on Hail Victors predicted a 8-4 or at least a 7-5 campaign. As a UM fan last years team would have made me puke, not Lloyd's teams.

Are you serious? Florida is #1 in the country because of Urban Meyer, not because of Florida recruits. My brother attended a school in Missouri and 8 kids from Florida were on the roster, it didn't make the football team any better.

[Sten Carlson]

Sten, Sten, Sten...

Yes I do know what convoluted means and that's exactly why I'm still here typing this to you.

You are continually agreeing with me so why the soap opera? You're spinning the facts so much that I really don't think you are reading what you are typing.

A new head coach always has to field the current roster, so what?. WHAT is new about that? You are not new to this site so why do you think everyone anticipated a UM melt down this year? On the contrary almost every poster on Hail Victors predicted a 7-5 or at least a 6-6 campaign. As a UM fan last years team would have made me puke, not Lloyd's teams.

Are you serious? Florida is #1 in the country because of Urban Meyer, not because of Florida recruits. My brother attended Lindenwood University and there were 8 kids from Florida on the roster, it didn't make the football team any better.

I am not convoluted Don, neither is my logic, and I certainly read what I am typing. I felt like Michigan was going to suck, and wasn't surprised in the least when I saw what we did last season. Get over it, I have, and I think most Michigan Men and Women have -- you're the only one that keeps bringing it up!

Lloyd's teams were continually ranked high in the polls, and in the recruiting assessments yet never amounted to crap, IMO. Last year's team was expected to struggle, and they did, which is far better than expecting to excel and failing to do so (OSU).

The kids that went to Lindenwood Univ. from Florida were 3rd stringers in HS, and weren't recruited by the top schools. Again, you have a knack for comparing apples to oranges.

And Flordia is #1 because they somehow miraculously jumped Texas after barely beating the then #1 Bama team in the SEC Championship. But, when Utah dismantled Bama, everyone conveniently forgot that just a few weeks before they were #1 and dissed Utah. They were #1 after beating a team in their own back yard that Texas had already beat on a neutral site several months before. They are #1 because the system is rigged to get an SEC team in the championship, that is all -- oh yeah, and because they have a lot of players from Florida.

This issue here, IMO, is your continual attack on Michigan, and RR, and every time someone brings up a positive point, you crap on it and try to spin it and bring up last year's poor performance.

If I agree with you it is only to point out the fact that you seem to love to state the obvious as evidencing your righteousness. The fact I was discussing about RR having to field the current roster was a direct rebuttal to your contention that none of RR's recruits from last year did anything, and you used the team's record as evidence of that fact. I then pointed out that RR had very few players on that team that he actually recruited, and as such, cannot be blamed completely for their terrible performance. Again, you make no sense when you argue things -- you use the same evidence to both prove and disprove your point.

You're a moron Don, and worse still, you're a moron that thinks you're smart -- which is by far the worst kind! To make matters even worse, you spend much of your day posting obnoxious and worthless arguments on a MICHIGAN website, one in which pretty much everyone, to a man, HATES you and wishes that you would just leave us all alone. Man, you have much thicker skin than I do, that is for sure. Its almost like you're a sociopath that actually enjoys it when people express their hatred for you. You and Nut hijack every thread in which you post, and even when shown your folly, you continue to argue. The only reason that I am even commenting on your inanity today is that I cannot, due to geographical limitation, smash your face in nor piss on your head while you lay whimpering on the ground. If I could, believe me it would take all my effort to keep from doing so.

You're tied for the dubious honor of being the biggest and most hated d-bag troll on this site -- how does that make you feel?

[Don Unverferth]

I am not convoluted Don, neither is my logic, and I certainly read what I am typing. I felt like Michigan was going to suck, and wasn't surprised in the least when I saw what we did last season. Get over it, I have, and I think most Michigan Men and Women have -- you're the only one that keeps bringing it up!

Lloyd's teams were continually ranked high in the polls, and in the recruiting assessments yet never amounted to crap, IMO. Last year's team was expected to struggle, and they did, which is far better than expecting to excel and failing to do so (OSU).

The kids that went to Lindenwood Univ. from Florida were 3rd stringers in HS, and weren't recruited by the top schools. Again, you have a knack for comparing apples to oranges.

And Flordia is #1 because they somehow miraculously jumped Texas after barely beating the then #1 Bama team in the SEC Championship. But, when Utah dismantled Bama, everyone conveniently forgot that just a few weeks before they were #1 and dissed Utah. They were #1 after beating a team in their own back yard that Texas had already beat on a neutral site several months before. They are #1 because the system is rigged to get an SEC team in the championship, that is all -- oh yeah, and because they have a lot of players from Florida.

This issue here, IMO, is your continual attack on Michigan, and RR, and every time someone brings up a positive point, you crap on it and try to spin it and bring up last year's poor performance.

If I agree with you it is only to point out the fact that you seem to love to state the obvious as evidencing your righteousness. The fact I was discussing about RR having to field the current roster was a direct rebuttal to your contention that none of RR's recruits from last year did anything, and you used the team's record as evidence of that fact. I then pointed out that RR had very few players on that team that he actually recruited, and as such, cannot be blamed completely for their terrible performance. Again, you make no sense when you argue things -- you use the same evidence to both prove and disprove your point.

You're a moron Don, and worse still, you're a moron that thinks you're smart -- which is by far the worst kind! To make matters even worse, you spend much of your day posting obnoxious and worthless arguments on a MICHIGAN website, one in which pretty much everyone, to a man, HATES you and wishes that you would just leave us all alone. Man, you have much thicker skin than I do, that is for sure. Its almost like you're a sociopath that actually enjoys it when people express their hatred for you. You and Nut hijack every thread in which you post, and even when shown your folly, you continue to argue. The only reason that I am even commenting on your inanity today is that I cannot, due to geographical limitation, smash your face in nor piss on your head while you lay whimpering on the ground. If I could, believe me it would take all my effort to keep from doing so.

You're tied for the dubious honor of being the biggest and most hated d-bag troll on this site -- how does that make you feel?

You are amusing Sten. If I'm disliked because I have opposing opinions then so be it. When I see idiots like you slobbering all over the keyboard and spinning the truth about tOSU football I'll interject. And I will continue to do so.

[Sten Carlson]

You are amusing Sten. If I'm disliked because I have opposing opinions then so be it. When I see idiots like you slobbering all over the keyboard and spinning the truth about tOSU football I'll interject. And I will continue to do so.

How am I spinning the truth about OSU football?

I asked a simple question to which I got no answer...again, do you think that OSU reliance upon Ohio recruits and only (for the most part) Ohio recruits is what has been hurting them in the big games? Maybe they need to change their strategy a bit -- which is what I was comparing to RR's new strategy of going after Florida players aggressively.

You don't want to seem to answer the question though, you only want to "interject" your inane comments and your venomous jabs. Slobbering huh? LOL, ok whatever.

So if you want to be known as the King D-bag, the one that is hated above all others, be my guest! You're not disliked because you have an opposing view point, you're disliked (hated) because you're an ASSHOLE, you're a moron, and you think that we who come here to discuss Michigan football have some duty to include OSU fans' unsolicited opinion's in those discussions. You're hated, like Nut, because you hijack threads, like you've done here, and force us all to either endure your blathering, or try to debate you -- but you cannot debate a moron whose only position is OSU above all else!

[GoBlue21]

How am I spinning the truth about OSU football?

I asked a simple question to which I got no answer...again, do you think that OSU reliance upon Ohio recruits and only (for the most part) Ohio recruits is what has been hurting them in the big games? Maybe they need to change their strategy a bit -- which is what I was comparing to RR's new strategy of going after Florida players aggressively.

You don't want to seem to answer the question though, you only want to "interject" your inane comments and your venomous jabs. Slobbering huh? LOL, ok whatever.

So if you want to be known as the King D-bag, the one that is hated above all others, be my guest! You're not disliked because you have an opposing view point, you're disliked (hated) because you're an ASSHOLE, you're a moron, and you think that we who come here to discuss Michigan football have some duty to include OSU fans' unsolicited opinion's in those discussions. You're hated, like Nut, because you hijack threads, like you've done here, and force us all to either endure your blathering, or try to debate you -- but you cannot debate a moron whose only position is OSU above all else!

Thank you Sten, you are my hero!

These clowns just don't get it, we are on a Michigan website in the Michigan Football section and they still continue to hijack threads. Nobody on this site cares about tUOS other than the tUOS fans!!! We don't care about your recruiting class, football team, coach, etc. That what a tUOS website is for, not this one. Now I don't mind the occasional posts from Silver Bullet, Mike Furley, Buckeye Sweetie, OSUSTEVE, and a few others because they don't spit Buckeye venom in EVERY SINGLE POST! They discuss football like normal human beings and not Buckeye robots. They have their moments just like some of us but they are normally un-biased college football fans that just so happen to root for Michigan's rival. No problem with that!

Don and Nut, take notes from your fellow tUOS fans; things would be a lot better around this site!

[GoDeepHammer]

Thank you Sten, you are my hero!

These clowns just don't get it, we are on a Michigan website in the Michigan Football section and they still continue to hijack threads. Nobody on this site cares about tUOS other than the tUOS fans!!! We don't care about your recruiting class, football team, coach, etc. That what a tUOS website is for, not this one. Now I don't mind the occasional posts from Silver Bullet, Mike Furley, Buckeye Sweetie, OSUSTEVE, and a few others because they don't spit Buckeye venom in EVERY SINGLE POST! They discuss football like normal human beings and not Buckeye robots. They have their moments just like some of us but they are normally un-biased college football fans that just so happen to root for Michigan's rival. No problem with that!

Don and Nut, take notes from your fellow tUOS fans; things would be a lot better around this site!

They don't want it better, they thrive on the attention. They were probably the dorks that the other kids picked on in school. You know the type, no friends and all that, so they figure any attention is better then none. So, instead of going and adding to an osu post they will come here and argue no matter how unintelligent their ramblings are to start issue on a Michigan board.

[1OSUNUT]

The reason why Tressel, Brown, Miles and Meyer do not look to far out of state is that they don't have to. Texas was maybe the best team in the nation last year and they went outside the state for 1 player. Miles recruits LA very heavy and Meyer tries to stay in Fla as much as possible. If Tressel did not put a wall around Ohio RR,Weiss, Dantonio,Zook,Meyer and others would be on these kids like white on rice. That is the ONLY reason why Michigan got kids like Grbac, Howard and Woodson. Cooper was so busy covering the country because that is what he had to do at his former school - that he forgot about the Ohio kids. That allowed Michigan to come in and clean up.

Those days are over. You can say what you want about Tressel or the way he recruits. But the truth is RR would love to have some of the kids Tressel has been able to land. The Buckeyes pulled the top three players out of PA the last two years as well. Many of the Ohio kids dream of being Buckeyes from a young age and they play with Ohio pride when they actually reach that dream. Im sure many kids want to be Wolverines as well - you just deem them not good enough. Tressel goes out of state when he has to but the truth is he does not really have to very much. The sucess Ohio State has had under Tressel does make them an elite team. The are consistant winners and always seem to end up in a BCS game. It's not his fault that the Big Ten is down or that Michigan sucks.

The truth is because of the sucess that Ohio State has had it has made getting out of state kids easier. I for one enjoy the fact that we win or lose with our own kids. I enjoy watching a kid go from high school to college. There is a sense of state pride that goes along with Ohio State and the Ohio kids on the team. I think a program and a system is more important then where a kid comes from. If you want to call beating up Michigan every year, winning Big Ten championships and playing in BCS bowls failure - then so be it. Michigan has a long way to go to get to Ohio State's level - no matter where the players come from.

[Mich97c]

If you want to call beating up Michigan every year, winning Big Ten championships and playing in BCS bowls failure - then so be it. Michigan has a long way to go to get to Ohio State's level - no matter where the players come from.

We've stunk lately, the Big Ten is the worst conference in football (even the WAC is better) and you lose every BCS game - you are a failure of epic portions. And you have a small dick.

[1OSUNUT]

Then your the worst team in the worst conference. Maybe my dick is not small, your mouth is just big. :D

[The Michigan Man]

The reason why Tressel, Brown, Miles and Meyer do not look to far out of state is that they don't have to. Texas was maybe the best team in the nation last year and they went outside the state for 1 player. Miles recruits LA very heavy and Meyer tries to stay in Fla as much as possible. If Tressel did not put a wall around Ohio RR,Weiss, Dantonio,Zook,Meyer and others would be on these kids like white on rice. That is the ONLY reason why Michigan got kids like Grbac, Howard and Woodson. Cooper was so busy covering the country because that is what he had to do at his former school - that he forgot about the Ohio kids. That allowed Michigan to come in and clean up.

Those days are over. You can say what you want about Tressel or the way he recruits. But the truth is RR would love to have some of the kids Tressel has been able to land. The Buckeyes pulled the top three players out of PA the last two years as well. Many of the Ohio kids dream of being Buckeyes from a young age and they play with Ohio pride when they actually reach that dream. Im sure many kids want to be Wolverines as well - you just deem them not good enough. Tressel goes out of state when he has to but the truth is he does not really have to very much. The sucess Ohio State has had under Tressel does make them an elite team. The are consistant winners and always seem to end up in a BCS game. It's not his fault that the Big Ten is down or that Michigan sucks.

The truth is because of the sucess that Ohio State has had it has made getting out of state kids easier. I for one enjoy the fact that we win or lose with our own kids. I enjoy watching a kid go from high school to college. There is a sense of state pride that goes along with Ohio State and the Ohio kids on the team. I think a program and a system is more important then where a kid comes from. If you want to call beating up Michigan every year, winning Big Ten championships and playing in BCS bowls failure - then so be it. Michigan has a long way to go to get to Ohio State's level - no matter where the players come from.

If tUOS' satisfied with just beating its rival and winning a weak conference, it does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as programs like Florida, LSU, USC, Texas, etc., who are satisfied with nothing less than an NC. Tressel also does not deserve to be mentioned with Brown, Miles and Meyer (all of whom have waxed tUOS in the past couple years) because he isn't a NC caliber big game coach, he builds his teams to feast on a horrible conference that could only muster 1 bowl win last season. The other coaches have higher aspirations for their programs.

As far as Ohio kids, even the propaganda laden Columbus Piss-Patch has cried out about losing big games year in and year out with the same Ohio kids. The face of tUOS is Boone, a 5 star Ohio kid who has gotten blown out every year by the speedy defenses of Florida, LSU, USC, and Texas.

Keep that wall up, Tressel, and keep these fat kids in the pipeline - I can't wait until RR's SEC style players get rolling in Michigan, tUOS fans will think they are back in the Cooper era again before long.

[Plus 1]

We've stunk lately, the Big Ten is the worst conference in football (even the WAC is better) and you lose every BCS game - you are a failure of epic portions. And you have a small dick.



The Big 12 is no better than the B-10. Bob Stoops & Oklahoma {with the exception of Texas,} walked right through the B12 but then got smacked around by Florida in the NC for their 3rd BCS NC loss in a row.

The Pac-10 is now the PAC-1.

Also I watched Utah and Florida both play Alabama {who was #1 most of the season} and Utah did a much better job of destroying Ala. than the Gators did {Utah scored more points in the 1st quarter than Ala. did in the whole game.}. Utah is my NC @ 13-0. Utah would be jacked sky-high for Tebow and the Gators,and would beat them, IMO. Plus 1 please !

The SEC was'nt all that impressive either, Tenn., Ark., Auburn & Georgia all stunk pretty bad. Only Florida showed up and LSU made a small effort at the end of the season.

CF: is the glass half full or half empty? Does it matter? If you're a Florida fan the world is a great place, if you're a Utah fan, it sucks!!!:cool:

[BBA1994]

If you're a Florida fan the world is a great place, if you're a Utah fan, it sucks!!!:cool:

And if you're a tuos fan, well then you just suck!

[Plus 1]

If tUOS' satisfied with just beating its rival and winning a weak conference, it does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as programs like Florida, LSU, USC, Texas, etc., who are satisfied with nothing less than an NC. Tressel also does not deserve to be mentioned with Brown, Miles and Meyer (all of whom have waxed tUOS in the past couple years) because he isn't a NC caliber big game coach, he builds his teams to feast on a horrible conference that could only muster 1 bowl win last season. The other coaches have higher aspirations for their programs.

As far as Ohio kids, even the propaganda laden Columbus Piss-Patch has cried out about losing big games year in and year out with the same Ohio kids. The face of tUOS is Boone, a 5 star Ohio kid who has gotten blown out every year by the speedy defenses of Florida, LSU, USC, and Texas.

Keep that wall up, Tressel, and keep these fat kids in the pipeline - I can't wait until RR's SEC style players get rolling in Michigan, tUOS fans will think they are back in the Cooper era again before long.



I see you're still full of crap!!!:cool:

[Plus 1]

And if you're a tuos fan, well then you just suck!






So where does that put a UM fan, Mr. 42-7 ? RR-Rah Rah!!!

[BBA1994]

So where does that put a UM fan, Mr. 42-7 ? RR-Rah Rah!!!

You still don't get it. tuos could beat UM 5 more times in a row and anything and everything associated with UM would be better than anything and everything associated with tuos. Face it, tuos, it's fans, students, alumni, etc. are all inferior to all that is UM.

Plus you're an effing idiot if you can't understand that.

[1OSUNUT]

How good was LSU this year after a NC ? If I'm not mistaken Troy handed it to them pretty good at home. Did they lose 4 or 5 games this year ? Is that elite. The Buckeyes are an elite team - like it or not. They win all the games they are supposed to and have come up short in the big games lately. With the exception of a Florida or USC - how many teams have been to as many BCS bowls as Tressel and Ohio State ?

How can you call Oklahoma and Stoops elite ? They crap the bed every year in the bowl game and Texas beat them worst then they beat Ohio State. How is Oklahoma looked at as elite and Ohio State is not ? The Buckeyes don't have let down seasons. This was a bad season for us and we lost 3 games and went to a BCS bowl. Bad for Michigan is 3-9. You guys can dream all you want about RR and Michigan being like a SEC team and blowing away the Big Ten - it won't happen. He did not get it done in the Big East when he had the best team and players every year and he will not do it at Michigan. In fact he did not have much sucess in the Big East untill Miami and Virgina Tech left. How do you think RR would have done if those two school were still in the Big East ? Ohio State is not leaving the Big Ten nor are they getting any weaker. It's going to be hard to catch a team that is deeper then you and still out recruiting you.

[Sten Carlson]

So where does that put a UM fan, Mr. 42-7 ? RR-Rah Rah!!!

We're depressed as we suck too, only we suck in another way Plus 1.

OSU sucks because they are always over-hyped and have such great and high expectations of them -- and if it weren't for a phantom call they'd really suck with three NC championship games lost. I know I know...it's better to go a lose than not go at all...I say, maybe.

Michigan had one shot at a national title in the past decade or so, and they won the Rose Bowl -- its not our fault that the coaches voted the way they did. Yes, OSU has had more chances, and yes as of late they've been beating Michigan, but I still would rather be a Michigan Man rather than a Buckeye.

I feel this way because OSU is at its peak, at the top of its evolution as a program, and they're just falling a bit short. What does that mean? Well, it means that they're going to have to make changes if they're going to continue to evolve. If you love the hell out of your coach, like OSU loves JT, well then firing him isn't going to be an option -- after all, he's done nothing wrong, and he beats Michigan. But, if you have a situation like Michigan had in Carr, the answer of what to do is a bit more cut and dry.

Had Carr been even batting .500 vs OSU, and in his bowl games, the situation would be more analogous to that of OSU's. But, since Carr was obviously underachieving, and refused to change from his antiquated philosophy, the solution was clear -- and I for one, am very pleased with the direction the program is heading.

You guys like to put the salve of, "if BCS games are failure...I'll take that every time" on your wounds, trying to make us all think that it makes you feel better. And you've got Michigan now to look down at, and say, "at least we're not them..." But you're not fooling anyone. When JT came in he was thought to be the shit, the man, the guy that was going to take OSU back to the glory. But, then you realized, he isn't all that, than maybe any decent coach could win with that kind of talent and it takes a very special coach to instill in his players a will to win the big game. You're not fooling us, we know you weep at night wishing and hoping that maybe this year the Bucks will win the big one.

You'd better hope you win that one before RR gets Michigan back up to speed, or else you're not going to be going anywhere but the Capital One Bowl -- where you're going to have to play an SEC team!

So keep thinking that you're in a better situation. Which is worse, knowing that you're in danger and being willing and able to do something to rectify the situation, or being completely oblivious to the situation, all the while thinking that everything is just fine, but having danger lurking around the next corner. I choose the former every time.

Drink the Koolaide, it'll all be over soon!

[NCBLUE]

RR is a proven entity with his offensive success he ahs had. He has not yet excelled in a larger fish bowl like Michigan. So the jury is still out. I give Michigan credit for taking a chance and shaking it up by hiring RR. It was a tad risky.

Tressel is doing a very good job at oSU, beating Michigan and winning Big Ten Championships. As I have said his offensive play calling has grown stale and unimaginative. When oSU plays teams with similar talent they get exposed quickly. Also his lack of in game adjustments have left me puzzled as well. However the biggest suprise is the lack of mental toughness when they are on the big stage. Michigan may has lost their share of bowl games but they did not give up. oSU looked paralyzed when they lost to Fla, LSU & USC and got taken to the woodshed. At least put up a fight, go down swinging but don't curl up...they went down with a only a small whimper.

[Blue In Ohio]

That I agree Tressel is real good. I've got nothing bad to say. He wins

[The Michigan Man]

How good was LSU this year after a NC ? If I'm not mistaken Troy handed it to them pretty good at home. Did they lose 4 or 5 games this year ? Is that elite. The Buckeyes are an elite team - like it or not. They win all the games they are supposed to and have come up short in the big games lately. With the exception of a Florida or USC - how many teams have been to as many BCS bowls as Tressel and Ohio State ?

How can you call Oklahoma and Stoops elite ? They crap the bed every year in the bowl game and Texas beat them worst then they beat Ohio State. How is Oklahoma looked at as elite and Ohio State is not ? The Buckeyes don't have let down seasons. This was a bad season for us and we lost 3 games and went to a BCS bowl. Bad for Michigan is 3-9. You guys can dream all you want about RR and Michigan being like a SEC team and blowing away the Big Ten - it won't happen. He did not get it done in the Big East when he had the best team and players every year and he will not do it at Michigan. In fact he did not have much sucess in the Big East untill Miami and Virgina Tech left. How do you think RR would have done if those two school were still in the Big East ? Ohio State is not leaving the Big Ten nor are they getting any weaker. It's going to be hard to catch a team that is deeper then you and still out recruiting you.

RR did get it done in the Big East, with crap talent. He used said crap talent to knock off big conference teams in BCS bowls. Speculate all you want about the presence of Miami and VT, RR defeated GT, Georgia, and OK, so it is not inconcievable that he could beat those programs.

Don't troll so hard that you lose your ability to to think logically. You can still engage in an intelligent debate using facts that may be contrary to your opinion, don't bury facts, distort reality, and flat out lie, it doesn't advance your cause.

[1OSUNUT]

Pryor is only going to get better as is the kids of the last few classes. When is Michigan going to beat us - in 4 years when we are breaking in a new QB ? You keep talking about how teams will have to stop RR once he gets his guys - how are you going to stop Pryor and Ohio State ?

[Bossgobbler23]

Pryor is only going to get better as is the kids of the last few classes. When is Michigan going to beat us - in 4 years when we are breaking in a new QB ? You keep talking about how teams will have to stop RR once he gets his guys - how are you going to stop Pryor and Ohio State ?

U-M will come full circle. You know this too. As for Pryor, he may end up being a runner at QB his whole career. He's got a good arm, no doubt, but his accuracy sucks! Connecting less than 50% of the time is not going to win the big games. You have been surviving on your D. Tressel is good but with all that talent he should have great teams and not just good ones. If Meyer, Carroll, Stoops or RR had that team they'd be winning NC's.

[Mich97c]

Pryor is only going to get better as is the kids of the last few classes. When is Michigan going to beat us - in 4 years when we are breaking in a new QB ? You keep talking about how teams will have to stop RR once he gets his guys - how are you going to stop Pryor and Ohio State ?

The same way USC, Texas and Penn State beat. Make him throw. Plus you'll have Boren on the line and that's just bad karma.

According to the websites you guys have only out recruited us twice in the last 7 years - yet you've beaten us 6 out the last 7. The difference in recruits is only so much - coaches have to coach. Tressell can't compete with Meyer, Brown, Carroll and we're making a bet RR will get there too. He has to dig out of a big hole after last year but most think he'll get it done. After all, to get to the top of big ten isn't a hard climb - this conference is not as tough as the big east or pac ten.

[Don Unverferth]

How am I spinning the truth about OSU football?

I asked a simple question to which I got no answer...again, do you think that OSU reliance upon Ohio recruits and only (for the most part) Ohio recruits is what has been hurting them in the big games? Maybe they need to change their strategy a bit -- which is what I was comparing to RR's new strategy of going after Florida players aggressively.

You don't want to seem to answer the question though, you only want to "interject" your inane comments and your venomous jabs. Slobbering huh? LOL, ok whatever.

So if you want to be known as the King D-bag, the one that is hated above all others, be my guest! You're not disliked because you have an opposing view point, you're disliked (hated) because you're an ASSHOLE, you're a moron, and you think that we who come here to discuss Michigan football have some duty to include OSU fans' unsolicited opinion's in those discussions. You're hated, like Nut, because you hijack threads, like you've done here, and force us all to either endure your blathering, or try to debate you -- but you cannot debate a moron whose only position is OSU above all else!

As I mentioned on another thread name calling and labeling is an easy out for you. If you want to discuss as an adult I'm here to do that. So far you have made a lengthily novela out of this. Do you have a job?

[Sten Carlson]

As I mentioned on another thread name calling and labeling is an easy out for you. If you want to discuss as an adult I'm here to do that. So far you have made a lengthily novela out of this. Do you have a job?

Don,

you're not fooling anyone -- you're not here to "discuss" anything, you're here to stir up the hornets nest, and as you said, "interject" your opinion (unsolicited I might add).

You never address the issue or question proposed, you simply add your OSU slanted spin or your overwhelmingly biased anti-Michigan opinion.

What does having a job have to do with being able to write for a few minutes a day? I write very quickly, pretty much as fast as I can think. So what seems like a lot of writing to you, takes me matter of minutes, and can easily be completed between more important things. What do you do -- besides troll a Michigan website?

You can whine and complain about people calling you names, but I think the true "adult" thing to do is stop and think -- "are the multitude of people calling you names all off base, or are you just being the asshole they claim that you are being?" I think the latter is pretty much the obvious choice for you Don. We're not all being petty name-callers, you're just that much of an annoyance. I know that is a hard concept for you to understand, but it's true my friend -- and if it weren't, I'd be the first to admit that people are being unjustly critical of you. But, they're not.

[Don Unverferth]

Don,

you're not fooling anyone -- you're not here to "discuss" anything, you're here to stir up the hornets nest, and as you said, "interject" your opinion (unsolicited I might add).

You never address the issue or question proposed, you simply add your OSU slanted spin or your overwhelmingly biased anti-Michigan opinion.

What does having a job have to do with being able to write for a few minutes a day? I write very quickly, pretty much as fast as I can think. So what seems like a lot of writing to you, takes me matter of minutes, and can easily be completed between more important things. What do you do -- besides troll a Michigan website?

You can whine and complain about people calling you names, but I think the true "adult" thing to do is stop and think -- "are the multitude of people calling you names all off base, or are you just being the asshole they claim that you are being?" I think the latter is pretty much the obvious choice for you Don. We're not all being petty name-callers, you're just that much of an annoyance. I know that is a hard concept for you to understand, but it's true my friend -- and if it weren't, I'd be the first to admit that people are being unjustly critical of you. But, they're not.

There are many UM fans posting on OSU boards who have opinions. They are not patronized or demeaned in any manner. Most posters on here are civil, it's only a small group including yourself that find it necessary to name call and patronize. I am not the thread killer you make me out to be. I'm liked as long as I agree with everyone. It's as simple as that.

[Sten Carlson]

There are many UM fans posting on OSU boards who have opinions. They are not patronized or demeaned in any manner. Most posters on here are civil, it's only a small group including yourself that find it necessary to name call and patronize. I am not the thread killer you make me out to be. I'm liked as long as I agree with everyone. It's as simple as that.

See my other post Don -- but in short, it's the manner in which you disagree and the information (or lack there of) that you use to back up your contentions that makes your presence here problematic.

I, for one, have never been on an OSU board, and even if Michigan beat OSU 100-0 for the next 50 years, never would I go there to gloat like you're doing here.

[Mich97c]

There are many UM fans posting on OSU boards who have opinions. They are not patronized or demeaned in any manner.

That made me laugh out loud.

[Bo Rather]

That made me laugh out loud.

No kidding. OSU fans are just as obnoxious as SEC fans.

[gmen667]

About Pryor...you actually think he's going to stay at OSU for 3 more years? LOOL stop kidding yourself, the minute he has one good season, yes I said 1....he's out the door to the NFL

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

There are many UM fans posting on OSU boards who have opinions. They are not patronized or demeaned in any manner. Most posters on here are civil, it's only a small group including yourself that find it necessary to name call and patronize. I am not the thread killer you make me out to be. I'm liked as long as I agree with everyone. It's as simple as that.

no your a faggot with no life and too much time on your hands...it's as simple as that.

[Bo Rather]

About Pryor...you actually think he's going to stay at OSU for 3 more years? LOOL stop kidding yourself, the minute he has one good season, yes I said 1....he's out the door to the NFL

As a 3rd round draft choice who will be converted to a DB maybe. He'll never be an NFL caliber quarterback.

[tpilews]

As a 3rd round draft choice who will be converted to a DB maybe. He'll never be an NFL caliber quarterback.

Or WR.......

[gmen667]

I could see WR or DB...possibly even TE...but him being a QB, that's a long shot. He could be a QB in Madden on XBOX 360 or PS3 but...he is no where close to being Vince Young.

[tpilews]

I could see WR or DB...possibly even TE...but him being a QB, that's a long shot. He could be a QB in Madden on XBOX 360 or PS3 but...he is no where close to being Vince Young.

unless he learns to throw. If he learns to throw, he's gonna be pretty unstoppable, at least in college.

[1OSUNUT]

I think Pryor needs 4 years of college ball to perfect his throwing. Troy Smith was very much like TP was this year when he first came to Columbus. By the time Smith left he was a pretty darn good college QB. The fake handoff and the run around the corner might work for 4 years in college but it won't get him on the field or drafted in the NFL. Tommy Frazier, Eric Crouch and many others were better all around QB's then Pryor is right now - and they did not even make the NFL. Troy Smith was a damn good college QB and he looks like he will be a career back-up (unless he goes to Minn). All I'm saying is that TP has a long way to go to be a NFL QB and a equally long way to go to be Troy Smith. The Buckeyes are going to win A LOT of games with TP at QB but he has to improve his passing motion and decision making speed for us to be truly special.

[Sten Carlson]

I think Pryor needs 4 years of college ball to perfect his throwing. Troy Smith was very much like TP was this year when he first came to Columbus. By the time Smith left he was a pretty darn good college QB. The fake handoff and the run around the corner might work for 4 years in college but it won't get him on the field or drafted in the NFL. Tommy Frazier, Eric Crouch and many others were better all around QB's then Pryor is right now - and they did not even make the NFL. Troy Smith was a damn good college QB and he looks like he will be a career back-up (unless he goes to Minn). All I'm saying is that TP has a long way to go to be a NFL QB and a equally long way to go to be Troy Smith. The Buckeyes are going to win A LOT of games with TP at QB but he has to improve his passing motion and decision making speed for us to be truly special.

Who are you and what did you do with 1OSUNUT?

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

I think Pryor needs 4 years of college ball to perfect his throwing.

Good thing Tate had middle school and JV for that.