It is Official

[Rockie]

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090216/SPORTS17/902160382

[Bleed Blue]

Well I think it's been said before, Threet is a smart guy and well I guess he knew his days were numbered.

Can't say I'm really upset over this one...

[amazinblue]

Threet is a tremendous competitor and really gave his all this season. I wish him well in all his future endeavors. I don't know if he'll make it to the NFL - perhaps as a practice squad player - perhaps as a journeyman, 2nd or 3rd QB - but, I have this feeling he'll be successful - just because of his determination.

Good luck, Steve...

[blueisbetterthanred]

I wish Steve all the best, he tried hard, he just doesn't fit with RR's system. GL Threet!

[Don Unverferth]

Wow! Can someone name a school that has lost so many players to transfers or de-commits like UM over the past two years? Can't build a family atmosphere if your kids continuously bolt.

[Wolvrin704]

Wow! Can someone name a school that has lost so many players to transfers or de-commits like UM over the past two years? Can't build a family atmosphere if your kids continuously bolt.

Yes we've had a number of decommits but this is only the 3rd transfer I can think of. You guys have had your share over the years as well with absolutely no coaching change. Its the way of college sports.

[The Michigan Man]

Wow! Can someone name a school that has lost so many players to transfers or de-commits like UM over the past two years? Can't build a family atmosphere if your kids continuously bolt.

If you were to consider tUOS a family, what figurative role would the beer swilling property-damage causing taze receiving Alex Boone play? What about Clarett, Holmes, Henton, Reynolds, etc. What kind of family are we talking about at tUOS, the Manson family, the Adamms family, the Bundy's???

[Don Unverferth]

If you were to consider tUOS a family, what figurative role would the beer swilling property-damage causing taze receiving Alex Boone play? What about Clarett, Holmes, Henton, Reynolds, etc. What kind of family are we talking about at tUOS, the Manson family, the Adamms family, the Bundy's???

Day off Marlboro Man?

Back on topic now:

Smartest move Threet could ever make, if he wants to ever get developed as a QB for some higher calling down the road. When he committed to Ga Tech early on in July of 2007, he also had offers from schools like Stanford, NC State, Cincinnati, Illinois, Wisconsin and Indiana to name a few. I doubt all the evaluators from spring camps and coaches like Harbaugh, Dantonio, Chan Gailey, Zook and Bielema were wrong on this kid being a potential pro style QB in college. Under Carr/Loeffler he had a chance to get developed into a pro style QB with good athleticism and maybe make an NFL roster some day, under RR he will get a chance to get developed for arena league football in Grand Rapids.

[Swoosh]

If you were to consider tUOS a family, what figurative role would the beer swilling property-damage causing taze receiving Alex Boone play? What about Clarett, Holmes, Henton, Reynolds, etc. What kind of family are we talking about at tUOS, the Manson family, the Adamms family, the Bundy's???

tOUS is a Dysfunctional family:p

[GoBlue21]

under RR he will get a chance to get developed for arena league football in Grand Rapids.


Maybe him and Pryor can battle it out at the starting QB position. Pryor can't throw and Threet doesn't have the athleticism....

[Don Unverferth]

Maybe him and Pryor can battle it out at the starting QB position. Pryor can't throw and Threet doesn't have the athleticism....

I'm certain that Pryor will prove you wrong this year.

[GoBlue21]

I'm certain that Pryor will prove you wrong this year.

I guess we will wait and see, BUT I can guarantee you Michigan has 2 QB's coming in this year that are LIGHT YEARS ahead of Pryor in the passing game! Both have better arms as well...

No Beanie to fall back on so it should be interesting to see how Pryor responds...

[Silver Bullet]

I guess we will wait and see, BUT I can guarantee you Michigan has 2 QB's coming in this year that are LIGHT YEARS ahead of Pryor in the passing game! Both have better arms as well...

No Beanie to fall back on so it should be interesting to see how Pryor responds...

Pryor will also be throwing to receivers that can run sub-5 second 40's this year, so that will be a good trade off....

[Swoosh]

I'm certain that Pryor will prove you wrong this year.

Will see;) Just don't boo him, he may have a mental breakdown.

As for Threet leaving, being MI fans pretty much thought he sucked and had no love for the guy I can see why.

RR does create a family, it's jut his family, his way;) He's the boss.

As for people leaving, it's not a suprise with system change we had. RR system is complex, so I understand why you(Don) do not get it.

[BBA1994]

Pryor will also be throwing to receivers that can run sub-5 second 40's this year, so that will be a good trade off....

If those sub-5 second 40 receivers couldn't beat out last year's guys for playing time then I don't see your logic.

[Silver Bullet]

If those sub-5 second 40 receivers couldn't beat out last year's guys for playing time then I don't see your logic.

Maybe because they were in high school? Is that logical enough for you or do you need pictures?

[W0lv3r1n3]

Apparently Threet doesn't even know if he's going to continue his college career.

[Swoosh]

Pryor will also be throwing to receivers that can run sub-5 second 40's this year, so that will be a good trade off....

That just means he will under throw them a bit more:p

[bigboyBlue]

Apparently Threet doesn't even know if he's going to continue his college career.

Where did you get that? I though he wasn't sure where to continue, not if?

[Silver Bullet]

That just means he will under throw them a bit more:p

"....easy, you just don't lead'em as much!"

[amazinblue]

That just means he will under throw them a bit more:p

Swoosh,

Let's be fair here - I think that Pryor has overthrown almost as many receivers as he's tremendously underthrown. Since we're talking about QB's here, I'm just wondering what some of these Buckeyes think the results of that game against Texas might have been if Pryor could have actually hit the open receivers...

[Shane Falco]

Day off Marlboro Man?

Back on topic now:

Smartest move Threet could ever make, if he wants to ever get developed as a QB for some higher calling down the road. When he committed to Ga Tech early on in July of 2007, he also had offers from schools like Stanford, NC State, Cincinnati, Illinois, Wisconsin and Indiana to name a few. I doubt all the evaluators from spring camps and coaches like Harbaugh, Dantonio, Chan Gailey, Zook and Bielema were wrong on this kid being a potential pro style QB in college. Under Carr/Loeffler he had a chance to get developed into a pro style QB with good athleticism and maybe make an NFL roster some day, under RR he will get a chance to get developed for arena league football in Grand Rapids.

I still wish OSU fans can tell me one good pro QB that Jim Tressell has developed. Exactly, they can't. But they run their fucking mouths about RR and how he can't develope a pro QB. They may be right but I would take Shaun King any fucking day over who Tressell developed.

[Don Unverferth]

tOUS is a Dysfunctional family:p

No worries, our family is just fine. On the other hand, the team in disarray is that team in AA.

Kids are bolting.

They have NO QB to speak of at this point. If Nick Sheridan starts the first game it's a loss, guaranteed.

Next season they will make up for having a terrible offense with having a grease fire for a defense (oh, except for Big Will Campbell).

[bluestimestwo]

No worries, our family is just fine. On the other hand, the team in disarray is that team in AA.

Kids are bolting.

They have NO QB to speak of at this point. If Nick Sheridan starts the first game it's a loss, guaranteed.

Next season they will make up for having a terrible offense with having a grease fire for a defense (oh, except for Big Will Campbell).

You cannot ignore the fact that this team is digressing rapidly.

Kids are bolting? The departure of a mediocre QB who was injury-prone and ill-fitted to the system will spell the doom of the program? Most people had one of the freshmen QBs starting by the beginning of the Big Ten season anyway. Now they will get more reps in practice. This only impacts the first few games, and after that it just affects third-string depth.

No QB? Two highly-rated dual threat QBs are waiting to take over. They will be a better fit, which opens up the offense in a big way. Robinson has wheels to match TP, and Tate's passing is light years ahead of TP. Either one can do some damage with all of the speed and athleticism around them. We will be fine there.

No defense? This year's defense will be an upgrade over last year's. We will be faster and more aggressive. I think that GR will bring a bit of a mean streak back to the D.

Digressing? They are becoming distracted from the main topic of conversation? I think they will let their play speak for itself.

[Mike Furley]

this hardly seems newsworthy. Objectively speaking, if RR had a better option last season, Threet would not have played. He now has better options in Forcier and Robinson, so Threet wasn't going to play. Players transfer from big-time college football teams all the time due to a desire to get more playing time.

The only thing subjective is whether or not this is a good move for Threet. I don't believe he has an NFL arm, so transferring away from Michigan is either a misguided move to get him an NFL job that will never materialize, or he is satisfying his ego in going somewhere else where he can continue to play the game I presume he loves.

When these two reasons are measured against the attainment of a bachelor's degree from the University of Michigan, neither of them meaure up. Therefore I believe Threet is making a mistake.

[Don Unverferth]

Kids are bolting? The departure of a mediocre QB who was injury-prone and ill-fitted to the system will spell the doom of the program? Most people had one of the freshmen QBs starting by the beginning of the Big Ten season anyway. Now they will get more reps in practice. This only impacts the first few games, and after that it just affects third-string depth.

Competition in practice is always an advantage. Now you have a walk on and two true frosh. Sheridan is your guy if they are not ready by week one.


dual threat[/I] QBs are waiting to take over. They will be a better fit, which opens up the offense in a big way. Robinson has wheels to match TP, and Tate's passing is light years ahead of TP. Either one can do some damage with all of the speed and athleticism around them. We will be fine there.

We'll see how these unproven true freshmen look with marginal and unproven raw talent on offense to back them up. Forcier will realize in a nanosecond that he's not in H.S. anymore.


No defense? This year's defense will be an upgrade over last year's. We will be faster and more aggressive. I think that GR will bring a bit of a mean streak back to the D.

Let's hope it's an upgrade from last year, they couldn't get much worse. The D was supposed to carry your young offense last year and look at the results. This year it's take 2.

[The Michigan Man]

Day off Marlboro Man?


Yeah, I'm one of those unfortunate Michigan grads that get soft holidays like President's Day off. Life is cruel...

Are you unemployed, have a crap job, or do you just waste your employers resources by trolling on the clock all day?

[Sten Carlson]

No worries, our family is just fine. On the other hand, the team in disarray is that team in AA.

Kids are bolting.

They have NO QB to speak of at this point. If Nick Sheridan starts the first game it's a loss, guaranteed.

Next season they will make up for having a terrible offense with having a grease fire for a defense (oh, except for Big Will Campbell).

You cannot ignore the fact that this team is digressing rapidly.

I fought had with my self to not respond to Don's post, as someone said we're just supposed to ignore the trolls and hope the go away. However, he's just trying so hard to stir up controversy, that I couldn't hold back!

Kids are bolting? We've had a three transfers that I know of (two before RR even really took over) and that is considered something to be concerned about? Check out any coaching change and you see players transfer to other schools -- this is by no means unprecedented!

Decommits don't count as they were never on the team, and besides, EVERY team has decommits and transfers every season especially during times of transition. In this day and age of media hyped recruiting, unfortunately, it's becoming more and more prevalent. In fact, I think the opposite of your assessment is the case: Michigan under RR is doing a very good job in keeping players in the program and in attracting top talent from the recruiting pool despite the terrible season last year. As such, your argument is baseless and transparent as nothing more than troll sponsored flame.

The QB position, although a bit unknown at this point, is now firmly in the hands of Tate Forcier in all likelihood. The reason that Threet left the program is known only to him and RR, but I would suspect (as do many others in here) that Tate's arrival and impressive performance had a great deal to do with the decision. You see that as a punch against the program (obviously), while I (et.al.) see it as an amazingly positive endorsement for the QBs coming in. It says, "I cannot ever hope to compete with this guy, and despite my experience, I KNOW I am going to be holding a clip board for the rest of my career and I want more than that!" I don't blame the kid, I just think that you and Nut have to decide which side of the fence you're on. First, Michigan was doomed because we were going to have to choose between Threet (who sucks according to you) and two unproven freshman QBs. Now that he's leaving, you take that as a sign that the program is falling apart. You cannot have it both ways Don!

The offense, under either QB is going to be much improved from last year, there is little doubt about that. As is the defense.

As far as the digression of the program (I won't even comment on word choice as I know what you're trying to say), Michigan is PROGRESSING that is for certain. Sometimes in life one has to take two steps backwards in order to take three steps forward. If one sees Threet leaving as a step backwards (which I do not) then there are a myriad of other forwards steps to offset this one minor loss. As I mentioned above, however, I see this as a great sign of positive things to come.

Once again Don, you've shown us all what being a troll is all about -- biased spinning of every piece of information that comes your way concerning Michigan football. You're pathetic!

[W0lv3r1n3]

Where did you get that? I though he wasn't sure where to continue, not if?

Never mind, I either mis-read this quote as "whether" or it was typed differently somewhere.

"I have requested and received my release. I do not yet know where I will continue my collegiate career and will have no further comment until that decision is made."

[Swoosh]

No worries, our family is just fine. On the other hand, the team in disarray is that team in AA.

Kids are bolting.

They have NO QB to speak of at this point. If Nick Sheridan starts the first game it's a loss, guaranteed.

Next season they will make up for having a terrible offense with having a grease fire for a defense (oh, except for Big Will Campbell).

I cannot argue with your logic;)

Sheridan did win a game last year:p

[GoBlue21]

I posted this on another thread but it's fitting for this thread as well...

Well said, here is an exact quote from Nut in the Forcier vs. Robinson thread...


If Threet starts then the two QB's that you got this year are highly overated. What would be the benifit of playing Threet if he is not going to be the man. The Buckeyes gave Todd Boeckman the lions share of the snaps in the whole offseason - that led TP to play catch up all year. Michigan cannot win with Threet and it will hurt the team long term if he is the starter. Both the kids you had this year were horrible and they did not improve much if any all season. The two kids coming in should be as good as them already.

Then...


First it was Mallet now Threet. What is it with RR chasing the only experienced QB you have out of town. You guys had better hope a true freshman is ready to carry the load if Threet leaves. Saying you can do something is a lot easier then doing it. tate may be writing checks with his mouth that his talent can't cash.

So according to you Nut, Michigan will benefit from Threet transferring?!?! Make up your mind, which one is it...

[Don Unverferth]

The QB position, although a bit unknown at this point, is now firmly in the hands of Tate Forcier in all likelihood. The reason that Threet left the program is known only to him and RR, but I would suspect (as do many others in here) that Tate's arrival and impressive performance had a great deal to do with the decision. You see that as a punch against the program (obviously), while I (et.al.) see it as an amazingly positive endorsement for the QBs coming in. It says, "I cannot ever hope to compete with this guy, and despite my experience, I KNOW I am going to be holding a clip board for the rest of my career and I want more than that!" I don't blame the kid, I just think that you and Nut have to decide which side of the fence you're on. First, Michigan was doomed because we were going to have to choose between Threet (who sucks according to you) and two unproven freshman QBs. Now that he's leaving, you take that as a sign that the program is falling apart. You cannot have it both ways Don!

I watched one of Forcier's highlight videos for the first time, he runs better than I had anticipated but he doesn't pass nearly as well as I expected. Not sure where you are seeing his amazing passing skills. He rarely ever throws a pass over 15 yards and most are curls and out routes to receivers that are wide open most of the time.

I think he'll fit in pretty well with his speed, but he's small and will have to bulk up considerably. If you are betting the ranch on this kid, you may want to reconsider.

[rickyleach]

hey don can someone name a coach who lost22 players thru transfers or left the team in his first season as head coach, you bet ya ,the great bo . i guess he scared them off and if they arent willing to buy in then see ya..

[Don Unverferth]

Yeah, I'm one of those unfortunate Michigan grads that get soft holidays like President's Day off. Life is cruel...

Are you unemployed, have a crap job, or do you just waste your employers resources by trolling on the clock all day?


Just one of those grads from The Ohio State University that happens to own his own business. Doing well BTW.

[Shane Falco]

I still wish OSU fans can tell me one good pro QB that Jim Tressell has developed. Exactly, they can't. But they run their fucking mouths about RR and how he can't develope a pro QB. They may be right but I would take Shaun King any fucking day over who Tressell developed.

C'mon Don and Nut, I am still waiting for your answer. Please don't ignore it. You don't ignore any other thread.
Truth is, is that you both are pieces of shit who can't admit the truth.

[rickyleach]

michigan man ,i thought you knew , donny boy has his own lawn bizz, things are alittle slow for hiright now ,so it allows him time on our site. i think you would consider him th CEO OF THE COMPANY

[Swoosh]

Just one of those grads from The Ohio State University that happens to own his own business. Doing well BTW.

So what is the name of your trucking company?

[bluefan]

Just one of those grads from The Ohio State University that happens to own his own business. Doing well BTW.

Buying into the Quixtar pyramid scam is hardly owning your own business no matter how much they tried to tell you different.

[bigboyBlue]

My turn to guess.....lemonade stand!!

[chriswebber]

Timeout!!! :p

Back on topic!!! While you guys were bickering about OSU fans and their employment, you're missing the entire problem.

The eastern side of the state can't keep a QB on the field! :eek:

Without a QB with actual game experience, Michigan is going to have a real problem. What happens if both recruits make Threet look like a pro-bowler. Look at OSU, they had Pryor sit out and learn from their older, less skilled QB. I would look into putting Manny Harris in pads.:cool:

[1OSUNUT]

What pro QB other then Shawn King (if you want to call that a pro QB) has RR developed ? Pat White will be drafted (maybe) as a kick returner.

[Wolvrin704]

I watched one of Forcier's highlight videos for the first time, he runs better than I had anticipated but he doesn't pass nearly as well as I expected. Not sure where you are seeing his amazing passing skills. He rarely ever throws a pass over 15 yards and most are curls and out routes to receivers that are wide open most of the time.

I think he'll fit in pretty well with his speed, but he's small and will have to bulk up considerably. If you are betting the ranch on this kid, you may want to reconsider.

We all see what we want, no one on this board is un-biased. But as I recall he led the nation in passing effeciency and as we saw last year that was a big problem for UM. He may be small but so is Drew Brees, whom he is bigger than already.

[Wolvrin704]

What pro QB other then Shawn King (if you want to call that a pro QB) has RR developed ? Pat White will be drafted (maybe) as a kick returner.

The same question can be asked of JT. What NFL QB has he developed? And King may not have done that well but he started far more games than any OSU QB developed by JT ever has all combined. The major issue with King was his small hands, not something that can be changed by coaching.

[bigboyBlue]

Anyways, can we please get Forcier a couple of bodyguards? And maybe a permanent, painted on red jersey till the season begins?

[chriswebber]

You might want to offer all incoming players a "MICHIGAN MAN FOR LIFE TATTOO" .. might help curve the transfer rate.

[rickyleach]

boy it is great to get all that positive imfo from our 3/stooges . silver bullit/ donny boy and nuthole. really guys their is nothing wrong with your humor but you three must really love michigan ,and its oka if your afraid to admit it, but you guys are on this site more then us, i mean come on , maybe your all pissed because threet doesnt want to go to osu , you know with that great wonder boy you have as a qb he could have taught threet a few things or two , we all wish steve the best of luck unlike you guys who seem to trash your qbees after tressel destroys them, by the way who is your back up to prydog anyway, i guess it wont be gardner , or boyd or anyone else that is good, but maybe nick montania will play for ya.. did i say that ,i mean montana, anyhow its great to be a michigan wolverine and the future looks bright..

[1OSUNUT]

How you guys can knocked anybody who has by far out recruited you the past three years and kicked your ass up and down the playing field is beyond me. Coming off a joke of a season that saw your great program go 3-9 - I would think you would be more humble. Just like in years past - your bark has no bite. Your sefense will be horrible (again) and you will have a true freshman with a big mouth leading your offense - with no experience backing him up.

A bright future for Michigan might be winning five games this year. That could be a amazing in itself. You guys were so quick to pile on TP for his lack of passing - yet you fail to reconize the good throws he did make. As some of your DB's if he has the ability to throw. TP has more talent in his pinky then anybody you will have behind center this year. If RR would of landed TP like he wanted to so badly last year - Tate would not be sniffing the field. Just remember that. TP will become a better passer this year because he will be more confident and the game will seem slower to him. That is more then I can say for your freshman who is going to be getting chased all over the field. Just remember what goes around comes around - just like last year. You will be getting a weekly ear full from me next year as your freshman makes mistake after mistake. Last year it was RR's offense, Barwis, the defense and McGuffie - they all sucked. This year it's all about Tate - hell he might not even be the starter. It will not be long before you realize you were all sold a bill of goods and that your team is no better then it was last year. You will be shaking your heads again wondering how Ohio State can just keep winning - no matter who leaves.

[tpilews]

I watched one of Forcier's highlight videos for the first time, he runs better than I had anticipated but he doesn't pass nearly as well as I expected. Not sure where you are seeing his amazing passing skills. He rarely ever throws a pass over 15 yards and most are curls and out routes to receivers that are wide open most of the time.

I think he'll fit in pretty well with his speed, but he's small and will have to bulk up considerably. If you are betting the ranch on this kid, you may want to reconsider.

Small? He's 6' and 190 lbs.

[Swoosh]

How you guys can knocked anybody who has by far out recruited you the past three years and kicked your ass up and down the playing field is beyond me. Coming off a joke of a season that saw your great program go 3-9 - I would think you would be more humble. Just like in years past - your bark has no bite. Your sefense will be horrible (again) and you will have a true freshman with a big mouth leading your offense - with no experience backing him up.

A bright future for Michigan might be winning five games this year. That could be a amazing in itself. You guys were so quick to pile on TP for his lack of passing - yet you fail to reconize the good throws he did make. As some of your DB's if he has the ability to throw. TP has more talent in his pinky then anybody you will have behind center this year. If RR would of landed TP like he wanted to so badly last year - Tate would not be sniffing the field. Just remember that. TP will become a better passer this year because he will be more confident and the game will seem slower to him. That is more then I can say for your freshman who is going to be getting chased all over the field. Just remember what goes around comes around - just like last year. You will be getting a weekly ear full from me next year as your freshman makes mistake after mistake. Last year it was RR's offense, Barwis, the defense and McGuffie - they all sucked. This year it's all about Tate - hell he might not even be the starter. It will not be long before you realize you were all sold a bill of goods and that your team is no better then it was last year. You will be shaking your heads again wondering how Ohio State can just keep winning - no matter who leaves.

And still lose the bog one too;) no matter who leaves.

I for one am glad we did not get pryor, I will admit i think he would have change the outcome of our season. He is agreat athlete, but he still cannot throw.

I like the fact Tate is a little cocky, we need to get back a swagger on our team.

Nut we all know tOSU is a great program, the issue with tOSU is not it's program, it's the fans. Like you they are all dip sticks, in the stretch we kicked your ass all over the field, I never posted it, went anywhere buckeye were to rub their nose in it. I enjoyed the win with my Michigan friends and it pretty much ends there.

So come on down here and kick us around, it's ok, we know it makes you feel better:rolleyes:. It's obvious you have some issues.


As for the season it was bad, I also saw some things I liked. ND, Toldeo, and MSU all games we could have one. This team had some issues that come with a new Coach. Remember RR bought his system in, Tressel just kept using Coopers system. Cooper was a good coach also, he just had a mental block when he played MI.

TP will be fine next year, but the guy has a noddle arm, my 8 year daughter can throw better than him:eek:

[Frank Rizzo]

im going to change the mood a little bit,I hope that that bumbling fucking retard woody hayes, is chocking on Bo' s cock.....now that will give those cocksucker buckeye fans something to bitch about....:eek:

[RADRACING]

WTF is wrong with RR he should have been able to keep the best QB on the roster, with some convincing. The program is in a tail spin. What is it going to be this year 2 wins? No way a Frosh QB is going to be squat in the Big ten, this isn't the Big East and he doesn't have experienced talent around him. I'm starting to get pissed off. This year he should have been 10 times better the game slows down in your second year starting.

[Sten Carlson]

WTF is wrong with RR he should have been able to keep the best QB on the roster, with some convincing. The program is in a tail spin. What is it going to be this year 2 wins? No way a Frosh QB is going to be squat in the Big ten, this isn't the Big East and he doesn't have experienced talent around him. I'm starting to get pissed off. This year he should have been 10 times better the game slows down in your second year starting.

10x better than crap is still crap -- just better crap! You're assuming a great deal of off season development and increase in skills.

Nothing is WRONG with RR, Threet simply witnessed an 18 year kid coming in from California that can actually throw, and when the coaches handed him the play book, he was able to understand it at first glance, as he's been reading it for the last 4 years. Not to mention the fact that he saw film of DRob burning down the field and knew that despite his one great run against Wisconsin, he could not compete with Tate's arm, nor DRob legs (not to mention DRob's arm as well). Pretty simple in my estimation. Do you think RR told him to go, or didn't encourage him to stay? If you do, you're on crack. But, Threet's already shown a willingness to pick of stakes and leave town when he doesn't get what he wants. So what?

Oh no, Radracing is starting to get pissed off. Call RR and tell him to double the guards and alert the Secret Service, Radracing might go on a rampage because his favorite QB (one of the worst in school history) has decided to leave Michigan. God forbid.

No way a freshman is going to do squat? TP did ok, Chad Henne and Mike Hart did ok their freshman seasons.

The program is in a tail spin? LOL! Why, because the worst QB in the Big 10 decided that he's going to take his weak ass arm, and his big lumbering feet of clay down the street to Ypsi?

You guys are hilarious! Never heard a bigger bunch of whinny whimpy-ass fans in my life. Maybe you guys should go root for UCLA, as their faggoty powder blue suits you better than Michigan's Blue!

Grow a pair and stop being so reactionary!

[RADRACING]

So you are going on record that we will beat our record setting 3 wins from last year without the best QB on the roster? I really wouldn't go there any time soon. I really thought he would win the job this year, you are a dreamer if you think the frosh QB's will be awesome next year. He better start winning by year 3 or he is gone, no one is going to put up with this embarrassment around here much longer, UM is the laughing stock of one of the worst conferences in College football. We even make ND look great and that is an embarrassment all it's own that won't be tolerated.

[goblue]

Anyways, can we please get Forcier a couple of bodyguards? And maybe a permanent, painted on red jersey till the season begins?

I agree. And while we're at it lets make sure Tanya Harding doesn't even come near him. Heck, lets just do what pencil neck Tressel does with Pryor and say "screw it." "Just be a pussy and run out of bounds five yards before you get hit." At least for the first year anyways.

[MoellerLover69(LloydCarr)]

Sten, I think I finally agree with you on something. Threet sucked. There's no point in us pretending we're friends with him. The drop off in talent between Forcier and Threet must be steep if Threet who has a year of experience and a lengthy relationship with RR at this point doesn't even want to challenge Forcier. I think that it speaks well of RR that he hasn't made any false promises to Threet in order to keep him around. However, I think he should have made some kind of promise to Mallett (maybe saying he'll get the first 3 starts to show what he can do) in order to keep him but hindsight is 20-20 and maybe it was only human to expect qb's at Michigan to not be as horrible as Threet and Sheridan.

[RADRACING]

I always thought Threet was a lot better than Sheridan, So is Sheridan the #1 now till someone knocks him off?

[MoellerLover69(LloydCarr)]

I always thought Threet was a lot better than Sheridan, So is Sheridan the #1 now till someone knocks him off?

I don't know what you base that on? Threet had a much harder time completing a screen pass than sheridan. Sheridan was supposedly faster and really played the only good game of the season against Minnesota as I believe the Wisconsin win was more a product of the defense (if memory serves correct). Sheridan was also the starter against Utah so I think he must have looked better in practice and the shuffleing which occurred was an effort to find out who was the 2nd worst qb in Michigan history.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

Radracing, please.
You act like RRod is chasing off a star. What people fail to realize is this:
If the job was threets, he wouldn't have left, yet he's gone. Common sense would indicate that he had no interest in competing with TForce, DRob, or Furrha.
Furthermore, it's not going to be that hard for forcier to adjust as your tying to make it out to be. You've probably never played HS ball and you are probably just regurgitating information and opinions you've read. I will go on the record to say we increase our win total.

[Sten Carlson]

So you are going on record that we will beat our record setting 3 wins from last year without the best QB on the roster? I really wouldn't go there any time soon. I really thought he would win the job this year, you are a dreamer if you think the frosh QB's will be awesome next year. He better start winning by year 3 or he is gone, no one is going to put up with this embarrassment around here much longer, UM is the laughing stock of one of the worst conferences in College football. We even make ND look great and that is an embarrassment all it's own that won't be tolerated.

Will you please shut the fuck up Rad! You're really an idiot!

He'd better this...or else that...blah blah blah!

Get over yourself! Michigan had one terrible season in the midst of a transition from one regime that had been in place since 1969 to another -- every school has had this struggle in the past few decades. It's just that Michigan waited until the last possible minute to do it, and it showed.

You won't go there anytime soon because you're a coward Rad! Worse still, you're a coward that thinks he has the right to say things "...won't be tolerated." Tolerated by whom? Bill Martin, the guy that makes the decisions. Well, I hate to break it to you Rad, but he stood by Carr and offered him the job "as long as he wanted it" despite the real embarrassment that was App St. followed by Oregon.

Just calm down, all of you! Tate and DRob, although freshmen, are going to show everyone what even a mildly competent QB can do in this offense. It doesn't take much to excel in RR's system, it was just that neither Sheridan nor Threet had what it took. They tried and did their best, but neither of them would have EVER been anything but a bench warmer had RR had any other option. I am not saying that Tate or DRob is going to be awesome, but as I said, awesome isn't required, only decent, and I am pretty confident that one of them (if not both) are going to be decent.

So, my sackless friend, I'll go on the record right now and say that Michigan will beat last year's record of 3 wins! Be a man and stop issue ultimatums as if anyone gives a flying fuck what you think!

Go Blue!

[Mike Furley]

But, Threet's already shown a willingness to pick of stakes and leave town when he doesn't get what he wants. So what?



Sten,

Why the cheap shot at Threet's expense? If, as you say, UM is in better hands with the frosh, then Threet's transfer is meaningless. If that is the case, then why not simply wish the kid well and have the decency to thank him for his year of service to the program?

It seems to me that you (and a few others) are just easily goaded by flame-posts from the trolls and chicken littles.

You've made mention of the value of your UM education on numerous occasions since the old Sack Carr days. Didn't you pick up some maturity during your four years at Ann Arbor? You continually get worked into a dither by people with whom you hold in little regard and then spout off with a cheap shot on one of your own. Nice.

[Shane Falco]

What pro QB other then Shawn King (if you want to call that a pro QB) has RR developed ? Pat White will be drafted (maybe) as a kick returner.

Again dickhead, quit being a fucking coward and answer my question. What pro QB has JT developed?
I will admit that RR only has 1 and that is King. You can call King all you want but he was an NFL QB.
Now come on, I will ask you one more time. What NFL QB has JT developed?

[Mike Furley]

Again dickhead, quit being a fucking coward and answer my question. What pro QB has JT developed?
I will admit that RR only has 1 and that is King. You can call King all you want but he was an NFL QB.
Now come on, I will ask you one more time. What NFL QB has JT developed?

This is a silly argument. Was RR the head coach at Tulane? No. Was he the offensive coordinator? Are we comparing head coaches to offensive coordinators? Why not throw quarterback coaches into the mix? If we do that then our quarterbacks's coach, Joe Daniels, was the quarterbacks's coach for Dan Marino when he was at Pitt. But that's even more meaningless since I don't recall any other Joe Daniels coached quarterbacks amounting to much with the exception of Troy Smith winning the Heisman - which has nothing to do with NFL potential.

The simple truth of the matter is that there isn't really a QB school out there. Look at the starting quarterbacks in the NFL now. They come from everywhere. Michigan did have a history under the previous regime but that is no more. Ohio State has zero history, but that doesn't preclude them from having a few quarterbacks get to the NFL under Tressel.

[Mike Furley]

So i wikip8edia'ed it. RR was listed as Shaun King's quarterback coach at Tulane. Then I looked at Tressel when he was quarterback coach at OSU back in the 80's and he was Mike Tomczak's qb coach. Tomczak played longer in the NFL than did Shaun King therefore Jim Tressel is the official quarterback guru and all QB prospects must now go to OSU if they want to have long NFL carers. Settled.

[Sten Carlson]

Why the cheap shot at Threet's expense?

It's not a cheap shot, it the truth -- this will be the second time that he's transferred. Which, in my opinion, shows a propensity for doing so. What's wrong with stating that fact?

[bigboyBlue]

It's not a cheap shot, it the truth -- this will be the second time that he's transferred. Which, in my opinion, shows a propensity for doing so. What's wrong with stating that fact?

I agree, not a cheap shot. Threet left Ga Tech (where things were looking pretty good for him) because the staff that had recruited him left. This time I think it is more a question of fit, not chemistry, but the result is the same, Threet is looking for a better fit and oppurtunity. Nothing wrong with that. I just hope he made the right decision for himself, football-wise and education-wise.

[Mike Furley]

It's not a cheap shot, it the truth -- this will be the second time that he's transferred. Which, in my opinion, shows a propensity for doing so. What's wrong with stating that fact?

I respectfully disagree. Given the tone and context of your entire post, I interpreted the statement as disparaging to Threet. Although I may not agree with Threet's decision, I can certainly understand it and feel it is one that does not warrant disparagemnet.

I read your statement as " Threet's a baby who takes his toys and goes home when he doesn't get his way." which is not how I would characterize his decision in this case.

[Sten Carlson]

I respectfully disagree. Given the tone and context of your entire post, I interpreted the statement as disparaging to Threet. Although I may not agree with Threet's decision, I can certainly understand it and feel it is one that does not warrant disparagemnet.

I read your statement as " Threet's a baby who takes his toys and goes home when he doesn't get his way." which is not how I would characterize his decision in this case.

I didn't have that intent at all Mike. In fact, there have been numerous times in here in which I have defended Threet and stated my respect for him, and the guts and determination that he showed last season.

The tone of the post was directed at others, not Threet, who continually feel the need to over dramatize everything that goes on within the program. I was trying to point out to these nay-sayers and trolls that it's not too surprising that Threet would leave, as he's done it before, and that there is no need to jump on RR for losing "another starting QB" as some people feel the need to do.

I wish Steve the best, and hope that he gets what he wants out of this move, as he obviously didn't get what he wanted out of his move from GT.

[Mike Furley]

I didn't have that intent at all Mike. In fact, there have been numerous times in here in which I have defended Threet and stated my respect for him, and the guts and determination that he showed last season.

The tone of the post was directed at others, not Threet, who continually feel the need to over dramatize everything that goes on within the program. I was trying to point out to these nay-sayers and trolls that it's not too surprising that Threet would leave, as he's done it before, and that there is no need to jump on RR for losing "another starting QB" as some people feel the need to do.

I wish Steve the best, and hope that he gets what he wants out of this move, as he obviously didn't get what he wanted out of his move from GT.


thank you for clarifying. my apologies for misinterpreting.

[Sten Carlson]

thank you for clarifying. my apologies for misinterpreting.

That's ok Mike!

What you were right about in your first post, however, is that I am easily goaded by flame-posts from the trolls and chicken littles. I try and I try to stay out of the discussion, but I cannot sometimes -- plus, I enjoy writing and this gives me a nice outlet for my thoughts.

As far as my vaunted Michigan education goes, it has done very little for me to be honest. It impresses people when it comes up, "Gee, that's a good school..." but other than that it's been something of a none factor in my life. There were two things that I think going to Michigan did for me, formally, and that is develop my writing skills, and research skills. Those are two things that I use every day, but I am not sure that I wouldn't have developed those same skills at another institution.

Maturity? I guess not so much. I've never aspired to be mature, and I think it's highly overrated. I think being young at heart is a very important trait to maintain. I suppose arguing in an online message board with people whom I have little regard for is immature, but I enjoy a good debate, and it is not harming anyone, so I think I should be allowed that indulgence. Trust me, there are numerous times I come in here and start to write something in response to Nut or Don or RTB, et.al, and don't as I know it's a waste of time. I try, for the most part, to offer only positive opinions, and I think if you were to look over the body of my posts you'd see that I am typically trying to express my love and faith in Michigan Football.

Thank you for pointing out to me that I was looking immature. I will have to redouble my efforts to keep from posting in response to the flamers, even if it is exceedingly difficult at times.

Go Blue!

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

that's ok mike!

What you were right about in your first post, however, is that i am easily goaded by flame-posts from the trolls and chicken littles. I try and i try to stay out of the discussion, but i cannot sometimes -- plus, i enjoy writing and this gives me a nice outlet for my thoughts.

As far as my vaunted michigan education goes, it has done very little for me to be honest. It impresses people when it comes up, "gee, that's a good school..." but other than that it's been something of a none factor in my life. There were two things that i think going to michigan did for me, formally, and that is develop my writing skills, and research skills. Those are two things that i use every day, but i am not sure that i wouldn't have developed those same skills at another institution.

Maturity? I guess not so much. I've never aspired to be mature, and i think it's highly overrated. I think being young at heart is a very important trait to maintain. I suppose arguing in an online message board with people whom i have little regard for is immature, but i enjoy a good debate, and it is not harming anyone, so i think i should be allowed that indulgence. Trust me, there are numerous times i come in here and start to write something in response to nut or don or rtb, et.al, and don't as i know it's a waste of time. I try, for the most part, to offer only positive opinions, and i think if you were to look over the body of my posts you'd see that i am typically trying to express my love and faith in michigan football.

Thank you for pointing out to me that i was looking immature. I will have to redouble my efforts to keep from posting in response to the flamers, even if it is exceedingly difficult at times.

Go blue!

nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hawks]

How you guys can knocked anybody who has by far out recruited you the past three years and kicked your ass up and down the playing field is beyond me. Coming off a joke of a season that saw your great program go 3-9 - I would think you would be more humble. Just like in years past - your bark has no bite. Your sefense will be horrible (again) and you will have a true freshman with a big mouth leading your offense - with no experience backing him up.

A bright future for Michigan might be winning five games this year. That could be a amazing in itself. You guys were so quick to pile on TP for his lack of passing - yet you fail to reconize the good throws he did make. As some of your DB's if he has the ability to throw. TP has more talent in his pinky then anybody you will have behind center this year. If RR would of landed TP like he wanted to so badly last year - Tate would not be sniffing the field. Just remember that. TP will become a better passer this year because he will be more confident and the game will seem slower to him. That is more then I can say for your freshman who is going to be getting chased all over the field. Just remember what goes around comes around - just like last year. You will be getting a weekly ear full from me next year as your freshman makes mistake after mistake. Last year it was RR's offense, Barwis, the defense and McGuffie - they all sucked. This year it's all about Tate - hell he might not even be the starter. It will not be long before you realize you were all sold a bill of goods and that your team is no better then it was last year. You will be shaking your heads again wondering how Ohio State can just keep winning - no matter who leaves.

I agree with a lot of this. You may be wishing for the Carr days to be back.
When your starting QB bolts, it's not good, even if he wasn't a fit for the system. It will be hard for a freshman to come in and be successful right off the bat.

[Sten Carlson]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now What Mich Fan in Cbus?

[GoBlue21]

Now What Mich Fan in Cbus?

I think he likes your immaturity at times vs. the trolls. That can be my only guess...

[tpilews]

I agree with a lot of this. You may be wishing for the Carr days to be back.
When your starting QB bolts, it's not good, even if he wasn't a fit for the system. It will be hard for a freshman to come in and be successful right off the bat.

I'm not saying WMU is a bad team. They have a good offense coming back, but their defense is very young and untested. UM should be able to move the ball. RR will be using the short passing game to get Tate accustomed. The running game should be much better than the start of last year, as long as the top 3 rbs aren't injured, kinda like last year. Minor is going to be a beast. I think this offense is going to surprise a lot of people despite Tate being a true freshman. The offense really moved the ball last year with average qb play against Minnesota, ND, 1st half of PSU. If Tate can hit a receiver at all, thats a big improvement over last year.

[bigboyBlue]

Look at it this way: we started a new QB last year against Utah and nearly beat them, and we all know how Utah turned out. We'll do it again this year with an arguably better new QB, but will 10 other more experienced guys, and against WMU. Why shouldn't we win this one?

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

I think he likes your immaturity at times vs. the trolls. That can be my only guess...

Yes we have a winner.. Please don't let them make you grow up..

[BlueBallers]

Look at it this way: we started a new QB last year against Utah and nearly beat them, and we all know how Utah turned out. We'll do it again this year with an arguably better new QB, but will 10 other more experienced guys, and against WMU. Why shouldn't we win this one?

Honestly, I think its going to be a beating. You think the players aren't sick to their stomachs and embarrassed about what happened last year?? They have to sit around and hear about how bad they were and how bad they are gonna be again with a freshman QB and this and that. I expect them to take it out big time on WMU. And don't think for 1 second that RR won't try and pour it on if he gets the chance.

UM 41
WMU 17

[nc wolverine]

totally agree!

except 41-24 (defense i think will still be a little shakey)

[1OSUNUT]

I remember the Utah game as being a blowout - then Utah let up and Michigan made a comback to make it look close. You mention how well you played in that one game as a thing to look forward to next year - yet you fail to mention how lousy you looked most other weeks. You think Michigan will look like it did against Utah - I think you will look like you did against Toledo. We will see soon enough.

[Swoosh]

I remember the Utah game as being a blowout - then Utah let up and Michigan made a comback to make it look close. You mention how well you played in that one game as a thing to look forward to next year - yet you fail to mention how lousy you looked most other weeks. You think Michigan will look like it did against Utah - I think you will look like you did against Toledo. We will see soon enough.


Were you an abuse child:p

I cannot wait to see the buckeyes play in 2009;)

Do me a favor and Stick it to USC this year;)

[bigboyBlue]

You think Michigan will look like it did against Utah - I think you will look like you did against Toledo. We will see soon enough.

You mean the part where Toledo only scored 3 points on their own? We'll take it. Aw gee, this selective memory thing is so fun :rolleyes:.

[1OSUNUT]

Was it a loss at home to a below average MAC team ? Michigan will lose to a few bad teams this year and all the good ones they play.

[bigboyBlue]

Was it a loss at home to a below average MAC team ? Michigan will lose to a few bad teams this year and all the good ones they play.

And I fail to see why tUO$ won't do the same.

[1OSUNUT]

What you fail to see is that Ohio State has talent - lots of talent.

[Swoosh]

What you fail to see is that Ohio State has talent - lots of talent.

Sure does, and door knobs for fans:p

So why can you not beat teams with talent like Florida, LSU and Texas?

[bigboyBlue]

What you fail to see is that Ohio State has talent - lots of talent.

And zero coaching.

[Shane Falco]

What you fail to see is that Ohio State has talent - lots of talent.

Must be coaching then. Wow Nut your boyfriend JT is going to have you sucking him all night for making him look bad.

[rickyleach]

Nut dont forget you have lots of talent too, like succkin on tressel pecker..

[1OSUNUT]

Do you know how good RR has to get and how long he has to maintain it - just to be mentioned in the same breath as JT ? If he does half as good as JT you guys will build a statue in his honor.

[bleed maize & blue]

I do recall Chad Henne playing as a true freshman and doing just fine .......I do believe he took Michigan to the Rose Bowl and played Texas and almost beat them and Vince Young that season. So Forcier starting does not bother me as much as some people think it should. If he plays with control and dosent try to win the game with every throw and play he should be fine. Let the upper classman and other skill players do their thing and he will be fine. As far as Threet transfering he might as well go to a DII or DIII school becasue he will not get any significant playing time anywhere else. Kind of like Rhett Bomar did after he got tossed from Oklahomo.

[GoDeepHammer]

Do you know how good RR has to get and how long he has to maintain it - just to be mentioned in the same breath as JT ? If he does half as good as JT you guys will build a statue in his honor.

You are a total idiot. You are almost comical.

[Swoosh]

Do you know how good RR has to get and how long he has to maintain it - just to be mentioned in the same breath as JT ? If he does half as good as JT you guys will build a statue in his honor.


I know he won with Less talent than he will have at MI in the next three years.

[Bleed Blue]

Steve Threet leaving is going to have no influence on Wolverine Football in 2009. Even a blind man could sense his lack of talent at the QB position last year and if anything this depature will save many of us turning our TV's or throwing our hats in disgust this season. I for one am thankful he will not be in a position to QB another game for Michigan. Honestly if it weren't for Mallet leaving I HIGHLY doubt he would have seen a snap last year...just being honest here. Now I do tip my hat for Threet "tried" and you can't knock a man for that.

Now back to reality here...This years team is not the same team that went 3-9 last year. Even better MOST of us that acutally watched games or attended games last year would be very naive to say we didn't have opportunities to win atleast 6 games last season with a piss poor team overall. Trolling and going just by last years performance is about the most ignorant thing I've ever read however seems like everyday I get my full dose from Don, Nut, and Rad...now looks like Cweb wants to take part too..again it's comical but stop living under a rock.

[W0lv3r1n3]

Steve Threet leaving is going to have no influence on Wolverine Football in 2009. Even a blind man could sense his lack of talent at the QB position last year and if anything this depature will save many of us turning our TV's or throwing our hats in disgust this season. I for one am thankful he will not be in a position to QB another game for Michigan. Honestly if it weren't for Mallet leaving I HIGHLY doubt he would have seen a snap last year...just being honest here. Now I do tip my hat for Threet "tried" and you can't knock a man for that.

Now back to reality here...This years team is not the same team that went 3-9 last year. Even better MOST of us that acutally watched games or attended games last year would be very naive to say we didn't have opportunities to win atleast 6 games last season with a piss poor team overall. Trolling and going just by last years performance is about the most ignorant thing I've ever read however seems like everyday I get my full dose from Don, Nut, and Rad...now looks like Cweb wants to take part too..again it's comical but stop living under a rock.

Had he stayed, WORST case scenario for Threet in 2009 would be getting the #2 spot at quarterback, and seeing significant playing time.

Unfortunately, we are now back to square one and have 2 freshmen in the top 2 spots at QB. To say Threet would have had no influence on next year is completely wrong. We have absolutely 0 depth right now.

[rickyleach]

what about sheriden , i know he wasnt anything special ,but the kid does have 1 year under his belt, i really dont think we will have as many problems that you might think without threet. all these guys have 1 year of playing time and around rr , i believe we will be ok..

[1OSUNUT]

You are a total idiot. You are almost comical.

Really - what has RR won ? Look at the resume Tressel has put together at OSU. He has punished his rival, he has won many outright or co-championships, he has been to three NC games, winning one. You can say what you want about Tressel and you may not like him - but he wins. RR has a poor track record against his rivals and already sits 0-1 to Tressel. He had a chance at a NC apperance and lost to Pitt. RR is as overated as they come. He won a few bowl games whan he had weeks to get a gimmick game plan ready to play against teams that really did not want to be in the bowl game to begin with because they had higher goals. He may not of had superior national talent but he got lucky with with two diamonds in the rough with Slayton and White. He has not proven he can win without an exceptional talent at QB - has he.

He has not developed any NFL QB's as the head coach and did not have sucess in the Big East untill Miami and Virgina Tech left. So say what you want about what you think RR is - his numbers don't lie. He is as unproven as the QB you will be starting this year.

[gmen667]

whoa whoa...Tressel won what??? One NC game?? How do you figure that? The ref GAVE that game to the other crappy team playing the U on that BS pass interference call....

What happened every time since then? You got bent over so don't act like his accomplishments make him the second coming of christ. He got lucky because the ref sucked it big time at the first NC game and they were beaten like they stole stomething in the other 2 NC games.

[bleed maize & blue]

What NFL level talent at QB has Tressel developed? No a god damn one you dip shit. Ohio State has not had an elite QB in the NFL that I can even rememeber.......Art (put 20 bucks on it ) Schlister was a bust and a now an ex con. Even your two time heisman winner was a shitty NFL runningback. OSU puts a lot of players in to the league but most of them fall on thier faces when they get there. The title that Tressel won was with Coopers players and the other title games he got two with his palyers they got demolished. Right now calling OSU the class of the big ten is like saying your the smartest kid with down syndrome.

[GoDeepHammer]

Really - what has RR won ? Look at the resume Tressel has put together at OSU. He has punished his rival, he has won many outright or co-championships, he has been to three NC games, winning one. You can say what you want about Tressel and you may not like him - but he wins. RR has a poor track record against his rivals and already sits 0-1 to Tressel. He had a chance at a NC apperance and lost to Pitt. RR is as overated as they come. He won a few bowl games whan he had weeks to get a gimmick game plan ready to play against teams that really did not want to be in the bowl game to begin with because they had higher goals. He may not of had superior national talent but he got lucky with with two diamonds in the rough with Slayton and White. He has not proven he can win without an exceptional talent at QB - has he.

He has not developed any NFL QB's as the head coach and did not have sucess in the Big East untill Miami and Virgina Tech left. So say what you want about what you think RR is - his numbers don't lie. He is as unproven as the QB you will be starting this year.


Please let me know what NFL QB tressel has put out there? Maybe tressel should look into those trick plays, as he hasn't been able to win the bowl games. Hell, all he had to do this past year is put in the QB that took them to the NC last year, but he screwed him for a wr under center.

RR will win, it will happen. I am not worried about that. Last year was rough, but you throw that many freshmen into the mix and there are bound to be issues. It's much easier to take over an established team, it's much harder to take a bounch of new kids and put them into a new system. Spout off all that you like, it's a matter of time before Michigan will be back on top. We shall see if you are still hanging around on here, trolling on threads that only pertain to Michigan football.

By the way, here is what RR did at WV with mostly 3 star kids:

Rodriguez was one of the most successful coaches in West Virginia history.[citation needed] He was credited with the first back-to-back Top 10 finishes in school history, four consecutive New Year's bowl appearances (joining USC as the only program at the time to do so), the school's first BCS bowl win, three Big East championships, eight wins over Top 25 teams, twenty-six straight weeks in the Top 25, a 30-6 record from 2005-2007.

[GoDeepHammer]

Right now calling OSU the class of the big ten is like saying your the smartest kid with down syndrome.

Man, that is awesome. I laughed pretty hard at that one.

[MoellerLover69(LloydCarr)]

Who the hell cares if Threet is gone? If training young quarterbacks or completing screen passes becomes a necessity Sheridan can do the former just as well and the latter much better.

[tpilews]

He has not proven he can win without an exceptional talent at QB - has he.

Who has won with poor qb play??? I think you were trying to make a point, but failed to do so.

[amazinblue]

...He has not proven he can win without an exceptional talent at QB - has he..

Hey, doesn't Tressel have an exceptional talent at QB? Wasn't OSU ranked #1 this past pre-season? Wasn't OSU returning 20 starters? Wasn't OSU supposed to win the NC this season? Oh, yeah - OSU reinforced their performance in the big game - the Buckeyes won three big games this year, didn't they - on the way to that undefeated record... right?

I mean, they played USC in September... and won. Then, they played PSU at home... and won. Then, they played Texas in that BCS bowl..and won.

[Wolvrin704]

Really - what has RR won ? Look at the resume Tressel has put together at OSU. He has punished his rival, he has won many outright or co-championships, he has been to three NC games, winning one. You can say what you want about Tressel and you may not like him - but he wins. RR has a poor track record against his rivals and already sits 0-1 to Tressel. He had a chance at a NC apperance and lost to Pitt. RR is as overated as they come. He won a few bowl games whan he had weeks to get a gimmick game plan ready to play against teams that really did not want to be in the bowl game to begin with because they had higher goals. He may not of had superior national talent but he got lucky with with two diamonds in the rough with Slayton and White. He has not proven he can win without an exceptional talent at QB - has he.

He has not developed any NFL QB's as the head coach and did not have sucess in the Big East untill Miami and Virgina Tech left. So say what you want about what you think RR is - his numbers don't lie. He is as unproven as the QB you will be starting this year.


Tressel also started off with a team that throughout the 90's were always in NC contention most of the time. All he had to do was build on what success there had been and sustain it.
RR at WVU had to rebuild a team that had never even sniffed at a NC and very few conference championships. At UM he was given a total mess which I will not detail now as its been rehashed to death. Once RR has been at UM 8 years as JT has been at OSU maybe then we can do a comparison.

[Shane Falco]

Nut seriously. I have been asking you this question all week and you have yet gave me an answer. You keep saying that RR has not developed any NFL QB's but have yet to tell me one that JT has developed. I know you are an idiot but please if you can't admit that JT has not developed any QB's either than quit with the RR thing.

On another note regarding JT vs RR. While at WV, RR's best recruiting class was like 24 and averaged like 35. JT always has a top 5 class. So we will see what RR can do with top 10 classes.

[Don Unverferth]

Steve Threet leaving is going to have no influence on Wolverine Football in 2009. Even a blind man could sense his lack of talent at the QB position last year and if anything this depature will save many of us turning our TV's or throwing our hats in disgust this season. I for one am thankful he will not be in a position to QB another game for Michigan. Honestly if it weren't for Mallet leaving I HIGHLY doubt he would have seen a snap last year...just being honest here. Now I do tip my hat for Threet "tried" and you can't knock a man for that.

Now back to reality here...This years team is not the same team that went 3-9 last year. Even better MOST of us that acutally watched games or attended games last year would be very naive to say we didn't have opportunities to win atleast 6 games last season with a piss poor team overall. Trolling and going just by last years performance is about the most ignorant thing I've ever read however seems like everyday I get my full dose from Don, Nut, and Rad...now looks like Cweb wants to take part too..again it's comical but stop living under a rock.

Last year at this time many of you were positioning that UM would be fine with Threet because he was athletic for a big QB and ran a version of the spread in high school. Funny what a difference a year and a coach with an agenda makes.

I keep reading that "he didn't fit the system." Threet isn't good for coach Rod's system? Can this guy coach at all? I mean, isn't coaching making kids into the players that you need/want them to be? This isn't a middle school team. It's Michigan. The kids that were there when Rod got there could play football or they wouldn't be at Michigan.

This system that I keep hearing about that is so player specific is nothing but a cop out for UM fans.

Paul Johnson became the coach at Georgia Tech and installed an offensive system. Now I didn't watch much GT football, but I believe they ran the triple option (or a version of the triple option) that Johnson brought with him from Navy. Georgia Tech won 9 games including a win over the Georgia Bulldogs. He won with kids recruited by the previous coach. He coached the players.

[1OSUNUT]

Nut seriously. I have been asking you this question all week and you have yet gave me an answer. You keep saying that RR has not developed any NFL QB's but have yet to tell me one that JT has developed. I know you are an idiot but please if you can't admit that JT has not developed any QB's either than quit with the RR thing.

On another note regarding JT vs RR. While at WV, RR's best recruiting class was like 24 and averaged like 35. JT always has a top 5 class. So we will see what RR can do with top 10 classes.

RR was also playing against much lower talent in the Big East. He also had 2 major players that became much better players then projected. Before that he did not do squat against Miami and Va.Tech. JT was the QB coach for Mike Tomscak as well as Heisman winner Troy Smith. RR showed what he can do when he has to play against good competition week in and week out. Other coaches can win with the players that they inherit - why not RR. You will see in a year or so what a bill of goods you were sold.

[BBA1994]

RR was also playing against much lower talent in the Big East. He also had 2 major players that became much better players then projected. Before that he did not do squat against Miami and Va.Tech. JT was the QB coach for Mike Tomscak as well as Heisman winner Troy Smith. RR showed what he can do when he has to play against good competition week in and week out. Other coaches can win with the players that they inherit - why not RR. You will see in a year or so what a bill of goods you were sold.

The Big East is better than the B10 and has been for the last 5 years. Now pull tressy's willy out of your mouth and think before you post something.

[Swoosh]

RR was also playing against much lower talent in the Big East. He also had 2 major players that became much better players then projected. Before that he did not do squat against Miami and Va.Tech. JT was the QB coach for Mike Tomscak as well as Heisman winner Troy Smith. RR showed what he can do when he has to play against good competition week in and week out. Other coaches can win with the players that they inherit - why not RR. You will see in a year or so what a bill of goods you were sold.

What is Troy doing in the Pros these days? Who does he play for? I really don't know.

[Shane Falco]

RR was also playing against much lower talent in the Big East. He also had 2 major players that became much better players then projected. Before that he did not do squat against Miami and Va.Tech. JT was the QB coach for Mike Tomscak as well as Heisman winner Troy Smith. RR showed what he can do when he has to play against good competition week in and week out. Other coaches can win with the players that they inherit - why not RR. You will see in a year or so what a bill of goods you were sold.

You can have Tomzack and I will take Shaun King pretty much a wash. Troy Smith will never be nothing more than a 3rd string QB in the NFL. The fact is JT is no better than RR in developing QB's and RR 's system is much harder to do so in.
And I disagree about the being in the Big East. I am a Big Ten fan but they are no better than the Big East. At least the Big East can win BCS Bowl Games. Except for this year they have done very well in BCS games unlike the Big Ten.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

You can have Tomzack and I will take Shaun King pretty much a wash. Troy Smith will never be nothing more than a 3rd string QB in the NFL. The fact is JT is no better than RR in developing QB's and RR 's system is much harder to do so in.
And I disagree about the being in the Big East. I am a Big Ten fan but they are no better than the Big East. At least the Big East can win BCS Bowl Games. Except for this year they have done very well in BCS games unlike the Big Ten.

i know it's hard to resist the urge, but responding to either one of these tools is giving them your time and letting them win. theres really no point in responding because if you prove them wrong they'll just pick something else to talk shit about.

[1OSUNUT]

Let me know when RR takes a raw talent and turns him into a Heisman winner like JT did with Troy Smith - I'll wait.

[NCBLUE]

Troy was an very good college QB...probably too short for the NFL...he was thorn in UofM's side for his entire career...I know people hated his scrambling but he had a good touch. Probabaly the biggest reason UofM lost to oSU duirng his years.

Wasn't he one of the last scholarship's offered ?

[Shane Falco]

Let me know when RR takes a raw talent and turns him into a Heisman winner like JT did with Troy Smith - I'll wait.

Hell I could have won the Heisman with all that talent surrounding me and playing in the Big Ten.

[Shane Falco]

i know it's hard to resist the urge, but responding to either one of these tools is giving them your time and letting them win. theres really no point in responding because if you prove them wrong they'll just pick something else to talk shit about.

I know. I keep telling myself to ignore them but it's hard when the mods let them hack every thread with their stupidity and hatred towards Michigan.
Isn't there a way to ignore them?

[bigboyBlue]

I know. I keep telling myself to ignore them but it's hard when the mods let them hack every thread with their stupidity and hatred towards Michigan.
Isn't there a way to ignore them?

1. Add to ignore list, which only works partly because of the quoting feature.

2. Reputation points, you can mark a post as crap. I've been going ninja with this option recently on a few, they know who they are and what they did. The whole 'spreading reputation' thing kinda sucks though.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

1. Add to ignore list, which only works partly because of the quoting feature.

2. Reputation points, you can mark a post as crap. I've been going ninja with this option recently on a few, they know who they are and what they did. The whole 'spreading reputation' thing kinda sucks though.

how do you give people reputation points?

[bigboyBlue]

how do you give people reputation points?

Weighing balance sign on the top right hand corner of each post. Do it!

[Shane Falco]

how do you give people reputation points?

It is the icon that is right next to the post #. For example your last post was 117. It is the icon right next to that.
I don't know how to check to see if you have any reputation points.

[bigboyBlue]

It is the icon that is right next to the post #. For example your last post was 117. It is the icon right next to that.
I don't know how to check to see if you have any reputation points.

Click on the same icon in one of your own posts. You can also goto your USER CP page and see it on the mid/right side. Pretty interesting stuff....evidently, tpilews thinks I'm a dick :(.

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

I wonder if you get into the NEG on Rep points if you can be banned to a TIME OUT forum? ED. Can you make a time out forum and banish poeple to there for certian peroids of time??

[tpilews]

Click on the same icon in one of your own posts. You can also goto your USER CP page and see it on the mid/right side. Pretty interesting stuff....evidently, tpilews thinks I'm a dick :(.

Hmmm... I don't remember giving negative to you. The only one's I give negative to are don, nut, rtb, the new guy chriswebber. I give out a lot of positive though. Are you sure I gave you negative?

[Swoosh]

Let me know when RR takes a raw talent and turns him into a Heisman winner like JT did with Troy Smith - I'll wait.

Let me know when he starts a game in the Pros, I'll wait;)

[bigboyBlue]

Hmmm... I don't remember giving negative to you. The only one's I give negative to are don, nut, rtb, the new guy chriswebber. I give out a lot of positive though. Are you sure I gave you negative?

Prolly. Don't matter, besides I can be a dick if I want to...

[1OSUNUT]

Let me know when he starts a game in the Pros, I'll wait;)

He has started a few games and could of been the starter in Baltimore before he got sick. I'm sure he will end up somewhere - maybe Minnesota. He could be trade bait on draft day. Cassel showed this year that its the system and not Tom Brady that is so special. The kid has not started a game since high school and hung number as good or better then Brady.

[RealSchool]

He has started a few games and could of been the starter in Baltimore before he got sick. I'm sure he will end up somewhere - maybe Minnesota. He could be trade bait on draft day. Cassel showed this year that its the system and not Tom Brady that is so special. The kid has not started a game since high school and hung number as good or better then Brady.

11-5 vs 18-1 with Brady. Once again you prove yourself as a fucking retard.

[Buzz]

He has started a few games and could of been the starter in Baltimore before he got sick. I'm sure he will end up somewhere - maybe Minnesota. He could be trade bait on draft day. Cassel showed this year that its the system and not Tom Brady that is so special. The kid has not started a game since high school and hung number as good or better then Brady.

So you're telling me that Krenzel or anyone of the few bucknut QBs to even make in the NFL (clipboard holders) could of done what Brady did in NE?

The game watches you, you don't watch the game.

[rickyleach]

1OSUNUT , TALK ABOUT GETTING SICK ,I ALMOST BARFED UP MY WHITE CASTLE WHEN I HEARD YOUR BOY TROY SMITH WAS GOING TO PLAY , HE IS RIGHT WHERE HE BELONGS , on the bench ,choken his chicken...

[Sten Carlson]

11-5 vs 18-1 with Brady. Once again you prove yourself as a fucking retard.

Exactly! You're (NUT) trying to claim that Brady isn't all that since his backup missed the playoffs and lost 5 games while Brady has amassed MVP awards, Superbowl rings, and some of the most impressive stats in NFL history? You're a moron!

[bluefan]

Click on the same icon in one of your own posts. You can also goto your USER CP page and see it on the mid/right side. Pretty interesting stuff....evidently, tpilews thinks I'm a dick :(.

Hmmmm...are you sure that wasn't me? I think you're kind of a dick.

Since I hate emoticons I'll just come out and say I'm just f-ing with you.

Incidentally, how did you figure it was Tpilews who thought you were a dick (erroneously or not)? Mine just says I have 11 points or some crap. It doesn't go into detail.

[tpilews]

Hmmmm...are you sure that wasn't me? I think you're kind of a dick.

Since I hate emoticons I'll just come out and say I'm just f-ing with you.

Incidentally, how did you figure it was Tpilews who thought you were a dick (erroneously or not)? Mine just says I have 11 points or some crap. It doesn't go into detail.

You can go into your usercp and see the reputation you've received. The positive ones don't require a comment, negatives do.

[bluefan]

You can go into your usercp and see the reputation you've received. The positive ones don't require a comment, negatives do.

Aha. So DOUCHENUT and Don know I think they're assholes, then. I guess it makes sense. The two times I've left any rep was bad rep for those two cockgobblers and I now remember it made me leave a comment. I just put down "asshole".

[tpilews]

yeah, that's the default comment left from me. Sometimes "moron" fits the bill.

[bigboyBlue]

Hmmmm...are you sure that wasn't me? I think you're kind of a dick.

Since I hate emoticons I'll just come out and say I'm just f-ing with you.

Incidentally, how did you figure it was Tpilews who thought you were a dick (erroneously or not)? Mine just says I have 11 points or some crap. It doesn't go into detail.

Hmm...sure you don't think I'm a dick since I'm openly 'a pinkie commie' (as someone once called me)? Anyways, not a commie.

This was the post where I supposedly received a negative rep with a 'dick' comment:

http://hailvictors.com/showpost.php?p=2276&postcount=14

Just assumed tpilews didn't get the joke? This is why you use emoticons people!

[tpilews]

Hmm...sure you don't think I'm a dick since I'm openly 'a pinkie commie' (as someone once called me)? Anyways, not a commie.

This was the post where I supposedly received a negative rep with a 'dick' comment:

http://hailvictors.com/showpost.php?p=2276&postcount=14

Just assumed tpilews didn't get the joke? This is why you use emoticons people!

haha, must have had a bad day, sorry.

[tpilews]

I get this message for just about every user on this forum.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to _________ again

[tpilews]

Found this about reputation:


What is reputation?

Reputation is a way of rating users depending on the quality of their posts. If the administrators have enabled reputation, then the reputation icon will be visible in posts.

Reputation may be positive Positive Reputation Icon , negative Negative Reputation Icon or neutral Neutral Reputation Icon. Negative reputation may only be given if the administrator has enabled this. Neutral reputation is only given when the person giving reputation does not meet the criteria set by the administrator to affect someone else's reputation.

How do I give reputation?

To give reputation, click on the reputation icon in the relevant post. This will reveal a form to complete with the reputation type and the reason for giving the reputation. If negative reputation is disabled then it will not be displayed in this form. You may not give reputation for the same post twice.

How do I know what reputation I have received?

You can view the reputation that you have received in your User CP (User Control Panel) where it is displayed at the bottom of the User CP page. Here you will see the latest reputation that you have received and whether this is positive, negative or neutral. Your total reputation will be shown as series of reputation indicators in your posts and profile. The more positive your reputation, the more positive icons will be shown. The more negative your reputation the more negative icons will be shown.

How much reputation is given? What is reputation power?

If the administrator has enabled this, the amount of reputation that each user will give (or take away if negative) is shown in the user's posts as 'Reputation Power'. The value of the reputation power is determined by the administrator and may increase over time depending on the settings they have applied.

trying to talk to editor to see if he can enable the reputation pts. and if there will be a "punishment" for too much negative reputation.

[bluefan]

Hmm...sure you don't think I'm a dick since I'm openly 'a pinkie commie' (as someone once called me)? Anyways, not a commie.

This was the post where I supposedly received a negative rep with a 'dick' comment:

http://hailvictors.com/showpost.php?p=2276&postcount=14

Just assumed tpilews didn't get the joke? This is why you use emoticons people!

Uh, it was pink-o commie, good sir.

Suck 1 ruined any prayer emoticons had to win me over for their use. A typical Suck 1 post would go something like this: "??????blah blah blah, incoherent out of context:mad:more stupid shit?????:confused:more weird and incorrectly used punctuation marks:(:eek:???!!?!?_>?:"<."
That f-ing douchebag.