More Boren bullshit

[mgoblue1]

I realize this is old news for the most part, but after reading this article it got me fired up all over again.

http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/storage/paper333/news/2009/02/17/Sports/Football.Profile.Zach.Boren.Boren.Brothers.Unite.A t.Ohio.State.Shun.Michigan-3632363.shtml

GO BLUE!

[bigboyBlue]

Dude its the Lantern, what do you expect?

[bluefan]

I never did see that article out there. Makes those douchebags look even worse. Sounds like they all feel a little jilted that UM didn't offer the (if possible) pussier Boren a scholly, too. They look like a bunch of inbred mongloids, too fwiw. Ugly mofos.

[mgoblue1]

Dude its the Lantern, what do you expect?

It's exactly what I expect. Still rubs me the wrong way. Slow news day I guess.

[bigboyBlue]

It's exactly what I expect. Still rubs me the wrong way. Slow news day I guess.

True. Lets go with it then. Why they would accept a player who ever played at UM is beyond me, you do not switch sides on the #1 rivalry on the planet. To think that at one point this kid loved UM more than tUO$...yucky, if I were a Suckeye.

Even moreso, it shows that Tressey doesn't appreciate this rivalry, think Woody would have ever offered Boren?

[1OSUNUT]

It took the Dad awhile - but he finally came around to.

[Swoosh]

I wonder if he will take his Boat to the team car wash and have them wash it like he did here:rolleyes:.

I am sure Tressel will treat this Nancy boy with the delicate touch he needs:p

[1OSUNUT]

That nancy boy started for your crappy team - when it had talent.

[Swoosh]

That nancy boy started for your crappy team - when it had talent.

At least you admit he's a Nancy Boy:p

Tressel is very good with players with bad attitudes. He worked well with Clarriet, I give him credit where credit is do.

He can handle the High maintence players very well;)

[bigboyBlue]

That nancy boy started for your crappy team - when it had talent.

Other than the aberration of JLong, Michigan hasn't had a decent O-line in years. Last OL player drafted to the NFL before Long?

2005, Bass, round 2.
2004, Pape, round 7.
2001, Hutchinson, round 1.

You get the idea. Even on that crappy O-line, Boren was the one who got abused all day by the Florida DEs. Guess he figured that if he played for tUOS, at least he'd have an excuse for sucking vs. the SEC. Congrats on landing him, really!!

[Bighouse]

Would love to see michigan beat these 2 fucks this year....

[gmen667]

This post on the lantern is hilarious...


hmmm...
posted 2/17/09 @ 4:45 PM EST
Seriously that guy looks a little fat to be a linebacker. Sorry - AJ and Laurenitis were ripped and were tackle machines. This kid looks puffy and bloated and weak.

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[rickyleach]

justin boren should be ashamed of himself, and his father should be embarrassssed, most of the time you could say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree, but in borens case it never fell, think about it , this guy calls out the coach of one of the most storied programs in the history of college sports an d expects people to fall for it, the only thing he did is make people take notice of what a spoiled , cant take the heat little punk that he is, their is no excuse for his parents giving in to his immature problems , as far as im concerned you can blame his father for everything especially for not putting the fear of god in him and letting him off the hook, ill bet mike boren loves seeing his old teammates ,after his son sshit all over the very school that made his dad a man, i guess justin is still a little boy .. and wouldnt you think out of respect for his father he would have sucked it up and provin rr wrong. because im sure he let boren know he was soft and a pussy. i guess justin valadated what rr was saying.. well he couldnt have landed at a better university , the players at osu are alot like their coach, A SPINELESS JELLYFISH..

[1OSUNUT]

Would love to see michigan beat these 2 fucks this year....

I'm sure you would - to bad it won't happen.:D

[GoDeepHammer]

Why give this kid so much press? He is a glory boy, that needs the limelight. Of all the kids that have left the program, what makes Boren think that he is so special. To bad that Boren can't be an adult and say no comment or I will let it be handled on the field. Boren is poor excuse for a man and it's too bad that tressel doesn't put a stop to this.

[Bighouse]

I'm sure you would - to bad it won't happen.:D
Give them time nut. In your heart you know it's coming.

[Bighouse]

I'm sure you would - to bad it won't happen.:D
Funny......how our team was sooooo bad last year, with our backup QB, who can't throw and the M vs OSU game was still close at half. One team is going to greatly improve.....and its Michigan.

[1OSUNUT]

What was the final score ? The last time I checked the score at half does not matter. They are not going to change the rules because Michigan can only play good for one half - a game is four quarters.

[Mich97c]

That nancy boy started for your crappy team - when it had talent.

Actually, the lack of talent was the only reason he started. He played like crap in 07 - have fun with this bitch, he carries bad karma.

[rickyleach]

1osunut. maybe you and boren can hook up and rub each others pussy.

[Bighouse]

What was the final score ? The last time I checked the score at half does not matter. They are not going to change the rules because Michigan can only play good for one half - a game is four quarters.
You're right. A half doesn't mean didly. Just making the point that OSU isn't light years ahead of us like you may think. We can improve 2nd half play by next year for sure.

[ironhide]

Like, 1OSUNUT, get a life! Move out of your parents basement and at least try to get some pussy. Not the cat, now!!
We don't care. Fuck Boren, Boren, Boren. I remember when the guy played, the dad, and he was good. Justin sucked and his brother will be a pine tar boy.
Why don't you go post on the Florida web site? The LSU or the Texas site? How about USC?
Because you'd get your ass kicked just like your team did.
So you come here because we are the only ones OSU can beat up on.
But that ends this year, because your program peaked already. Then what will you do?
But don't go away mad. Just go away!

[Motown74]

Most on here know I don't like RROD. I don't like him because of things I have heard from other coaches, players, etc. Let me ask this question -- As Michigan fans, supporters, fanatics, etc., how would you like to be informed if there is a problem with Michigan football? This is a serious question. Should the University release a statement? Should Lloyd Carr come out and say something? Should the players? For one minute lets stop and ask ourselves, "If something is wrong with the program, how do I want to learn about it?" From the moment Lloyd Carr announced his retirement we have had nothing but embarrassing moment after embarrassing moment happen. From players leaving (whether you want to question their manhood or not), to buying out contracts, to implementing silence clauses in contracts (contrary to some opinions on here this is not the norm in college coaching), to a former head coach who has virtually nothing to do with the program anymore (even Bump Elliot had a place within the program!), to a losing season and no bowl appearance. Something is going on and it is beyond wins and losses. There used to be the wrong way, the right way, and the Michigan way of doing things. I am afraid that the Michigan way is dying or is already dead.

[Bighouse]

Most on here know I don't like RROD. I don't like him because of things I have heard from other coaches, players, etc. Let me ask this question -- As Michigan fans, supporters, fanatics, etc., how would you like to be informed if there is a problem with Michigan football? This is a serious question. Should the University release a statement? Should Lloyd Carr come out and say something? Should the players? For one minute lets stop and ask ourselves, "If something is wrong with the program, how do I want to learn about it?" From the moment Lloyd Carr announced his retirement we have had nothing but embarrassing moment after embarrassing moment happen. From players leaving (whether you want to question their manhood or not), to buying out contracts, to implementing silence clauses in contracts (contrary to some opinions on here this is not the norm in college coaching), to a former head coach who has virtually nothing to do with the program anymore (even Bump Elliot had a place within the program!), to a losing season and no bowl appearance. Something is going on and it is beyond wins and losses. There used to be the wrong way, the right way, and the Michigan way of doing things. I am afraid that the Michigan way is dying or is already dead.
Don't agree with ya. Most successful business owners are assholes. Same with college coaches. You produce, you play. You don't, you sit. Please tell me what you have heard in detail and maybe someone here will believe you....

[amazinblue]

... Something is going on and it is beyond wins and losses. There used to be the wrong way, the right way, and the Michigan way of doing things. I am afraid that the Michigan way is dying or is already dead.

Motown,

I respect your right to your opinion, but - I disagree. How pleased have you been with Michigan football since Bo retired... or since the 70's? Personally, I believe there's been a challenge since Bo retired - I liked Moeller's offensive creativity, but - a slow malaise was setting into the program. And, what had become "the Michigan way" as you state was a decline - or inability to compete at the highest levels since the NC season.

I think the football program needed a tremendous shot in the arm. A huge wake up call to be competitive and relevant in the 21st century. Our tradition is a great thing - but, short of '97 - when did we "set the bar" for college football? I'd say, we're looking at a period when Bo was coach.

I think there are a lot of comparisons between Bo and RR. They shook up the program. They energized it. They focused on areas where advances had been made and leveraged it. And, they appealed to an athlete that was willing to compete for a position, and give it their all.

I think RR's creativity will pay dividends, as will Barwis' approach to S&C.

I wouldn't bet against the Maize n Blue this season... we may not win 'em all, but we'll win more than most people think.

[bigboyBlue]

Motown, what has been the Michigan Way? Yes, the program has been run with rock-solid integrity, class, good graduation rates, and regularly sent players to the NFL (I find this worthwhile). The problem is, the engine of the Football program, the overall product on the field, has underachieved so long, and recently in a mediocre conference! Several aspects of it have been underwhelming for so long, it just got really bad (strength and conditioning, trench play, even coaching in some departments, etc). What we call the Michigan Way has become just that: running a reasonably good program that is unable to compete with the elite in the nation. Now some people are ok with that, but we could be so much better with the talent we consistently get!

You can see those stats so much more clearly now. For a program that routinely recruits in the top 10 nationally, we've had 3 O-line selections in the NFL since 2002, including Long! Name one great safety in the last 10 years other than June. In the last 10 years, Michigan is tops in the Big Ten in giving up long TD plays of 25 yards+, and that was before LC left.

All this, coupled with the changing landscape of CFB and the innovative offenses that abound, have magnified these shortcomings. The old Michigan Way, just like the old American Way of gas guzzling cars and 2000 calorie burger+fries combos, just isn't relevant anymore.

I also don't see where RRod has done something that is fundamentally Un-Michigan. Lied to players? No. Recruiting or NCAA violations yet? No. Holding the players responsible for fighting for playing spots? Absolutely. Carr, on the other hand, started an injured Henne/Hart against OSU 'because it was their senior year'. Great sentiment, lousy coaching decision, and very indicative of how things were run IMO. The quality of the Michigan football program has been like this pimple that grows and grows; use as much makeup as you want, one day you gotta burst it and squeeze all that pus out. Leaves a temporary scar, but small pay for looking preeeetty all over again....

What has RRod done that is so wrong? He might have made some mistakes, but nothing deliberate yet, no? Don't let a jilted WVU or 12 hours of SportsCenter and their non-stop moaning color your judgement man.

[amazinblue]

BBB,

Well said...

[Mich97c]

Let me ask this question -- As Michigan fans, supporters, fanatics, etc., how would you like to be informed if there is a problem with Michigan football? This is a serious question.

I would like to hear about from a post on an internet message board.

[GoBlue21]

Name one great safety in the last 10 years other than June.

I would say the last great safety was Ernest Shazor, 1st team all american and didn't even get drafted if I'm not mistaken. How is that possible?

Anyway, Michigan did go 3-9 last night; that's a fact. They did have some attrition but that's was expectable with an ENTIRELY NEW OFFENSE coming to town. The guys on the roster are pro style type players and RichRod is a spread guy. Those are two different breeds of players. Bo cleaned house when he arrived and it was A LOT worse than RichRod's attrition. RichRod still gave everyone an equal opportunity for playing time, would Lloyd Carr do the same? Too much inexperience really hurt Michigan last year. You can't expect to have a good offense with 10 new starters, I don't give a shit who's the head coach! Tressel, Meyer, Carrol, Brown, some of the best college coaches have NEVER had to field 10 new starters on one side of the ball, especially with installing a BRAND NEW OFFENSE with players that really aren't designed to run that offense...

RichRod COULD have ran a pro style offense but that would have delayed the inevitable, why waste time? To TRY to get to a bowl, that MIGHT not have happen even in a pro style offense. Michigan did put some points on the board which is impressive in itself due to the lack of experience. Running the spread last year is only going to help this year and the years come because they know what to expect now and have a year under their belt...

Motown, please inform us of the problems going on other than a 3-9 first season under RichRod? Decommits and transfers happen to every school. Do you believe this clown Boren about family values? He transferred to tUOS, that speaks for itself when it comes to his values. Do you think Woody or Bo would have approved of that transfers, HELL NO! Woody would have laughed at him and Bo would be gunning for him. RichRod knows who Justin is, I'm sure something will be said towards him, I know I would mention it and have blitzes coming his way ALL GAME. Make him pay for his little cry baby decision!

It's amazing that only Boren has something to say about 'family values' and nobody else seems to speak. Michigan just keeps signing big recruits after big recruits. They all love the atmosphere in Ann Arbor, the family values must be terrible. Even recruits that didn't sign with Michigan said the atmosphere is great up there...When Michigan starts winning, which I believe will be this year, the naysayers will begin to go away. ESPN and company only stay on Michigan when they are down, people love it when the 'Leaders and Best' are down. Just like when the Yankees or Patriots or any other high profile sports team are down. That isn't going to last long, Michigan will be back very soon!

Go Blue!!!

[Rockie]

Boren was All Big Ten at Michigan, there is no reason to believe that he won't be the same at Ohio $tate. If Boren wanted to transfer that is his right, he should of did what Threet did and shut his mouth and move on. However, he yap his mouth and tried to belittle RR at the sametime. Than last Halloween, he dressed up like RR, for a costume party. Personally, I can't wait till November and see what kind of crap Boren is gonna get when he is in Michigan Stadium. Also, I think as an Ohio Resident, I think Tressel had to let Boren walk-on at Ohio $tate.

[Blue In Ohio]

Boren had his right to move on and did. He didn't have to trash on Michigan the way he did. He could have left with class. I hope his whole family ejoys being buckeyes because I could care less what it is they do. As for the elder Boren if it is true now he is a die hard OSU fan now I honestly wonder just how he lives with himself. That's sorry.

[RADRACING]

Wow thanks for posting that article!


Reading that crap was the biggest waist of time ever, no one really cares.

[Mike Furley]

Although I think RR will have a great season in 2009 (10-2) I think in the long run he will not be the answer you all are looking for.

It boils down to, is RR a great coach? This is something we can argue about, but I doubt anybody's opinion will be changed until more games are played and RR has a record to evaluate.

In the thread regarding Threet's transfer, Don raises a good point. Paul Johnson was able to take the kids he inherited who were recruited for a different system at Georgia Tech, and was able to achieve a 9-3 record with a win over Georgia.

Should RR have also gone 9-3? Probably not given the dearth of talent, but in no way should UM have gone 3-9.

This begs the question, why did UM go 3-9?

One possible explanation is that RR did not foster an attitude of respect among the team, or some variation on that, to which Justin Boren's comments spoke to.

Was Boren right to speak out? Perhaps, that was Motowns point. If someone doesn't speak out, how does else does the truth surface?

I would not have spoken out like Boren did because in the end, he came across looking immature and self-serving. I, however am not 20 years old, and I have the life experience to know how I would be perceived if I did speak out.

As for the rest of you, I understand your frustration with Boren's comments, but the vitriol spewed in response is as self-defeating as Boren's original comments. Let it go and move on.

At a minimum though, seeing as how Boren's comments are a part of the public record, I would think everyone would evaluate all of the things happening in the UM program and with RR under the light shined by Boren. There is something uniquely special about UM and that should not be diminshed or cast aside for the attainment of a few victories on the gridiron.

[Rockie]

Although I think RR will have a great season in 2009 (10-2) I think in the long run he will not be the answer you all are looking for.

It boils down to, is RR a great coach? This is something we can argue about, but I doubt anybody's opinion will be changed until more games are played and RR has a record to evaluate.

In the thread regarding Threet's transfer, Don raises a good point. Paul Johnson was able to take the kids he inherited who were recruited for a different system at Georgia Tech, and was able to achieve a 9-3 record with a win over Georgia.

Should RR have also gone 9-3? Probably not given the dearth of talent, but in no way should UM have gone 3-9.

This begs the question, why did UM go 3-9?

One possible explanation is that RR did not foster an attitude of respect among the team, or some variation on that, to which Justin Boren's comments spoke to.

Was Boren right to speak out? Perhaps, that was Motowns point. If someone doesn't speak out, how does else does the truth surface?

I would not have spoken out like Boren did because in the end, he came across looking immature and self-serving. I, however am not 20 years old, and I have the life experience to know how I would be perceived if I did speak out.

As for the rest of you, I understand your frustration with Boren's comments, but the vitriol spewed in response is as self-defeating as Boren's original comments. Let it go and move on.

At a minimum though, seeing as how Boren's comments are a part of the public record, I would think everyone would evaluate all of the things happening in the UM program and with RR under the light shined by Boren. There is something uniquely special about UM and that should not be diminshed or cast aside for the attainment of a few victories on the gridiron.

I doubt the guy at Georgia Tech had to replace a running back, a qb, five ol, two wrs, that is nine players on offense. The qb that was in the waiting, quit, the year before that, another qb quit at Michigan (Jason Forceir), your best running back got hurt before the season and wasn't back 100% till November. Your best WR in Spring Jr. Hemingway, got hurt during the first game and was redshirted. Your second string rb got hurt in the first game and was never 100% the rest of the season. Your defense led the nation in tackles in the endzone, you led the nation in three in outs, you led the nations in give aways and your kicker couldn't hit the brod side of a barn.

[bigboyBlue]

I doubt the guy at Georgia Tech had to replace a running back, a qb, five ol, two wrs, that is nine players on offense. The qb that was in the waiting, quit, the year before that, another qb quit at Michigan (Jason Forceir), your best running back got hurt before the season and wasn't back 100% till November. Your best WR in Spring Jr. Hemingway, got hurt during the first game and was redshirted. Your second string rb got hurt in the first game and was never 100% the rest of the season. Your defense led the nation in tackles in the endzone, you led the nation in three in outs, you led the nations in give aways and your kicker couldn't hit the brod side of a barn.

Not to forget lead the nation in the total number of O-plays resulting in zero or negative yardage.

[GoBlue21]

I doubt the guy at Georgia Tech had to replace a running back, a qb, five ol, two wrs, that is nine players on offense. The qb that was in the waiting, quit, the year before that, another qb quit at Michigan (Jason Forceir), your best running back got hurt before the season and wasn't back 100% till November. Your best WR in Spring Jr. Hemingway, got hurt during the first game and was redshirted. Your second string rb got hurt in the first game and was never 100% the rest of the season. Your defense led the nation in tackles in the endzone, you led the nation in three in outs, you led the nations in give aways and your kicker couldn't hit the brod side of a barn.

That pretty much sums up the 2008 Michigan Football season. When the punter is the MVP of the team, not much you can do but chalk the season as a loss and move on!

[joeismyname]

What was the final score ? The last time I checked the score at half does not matter. They are not going to change the rules because Michigan can only play good for one half - a game is four quarters.

I want to prove through personal experience that Michigan can improve their second half play in a years time, and get back to seriously competing with you all.....In my high school football days, I played for a relatively small football school that was just coming around as a good team. My sophomore year we made the playoffs and played the almighty Beechwood in the second round. Beechwood was known for one thing; high school football. Being a school of only 500 male students, 90 of those students were on the football team. They had won 9 of the last 15 state titles and our little team that had some raw talent just wasn't ready to face these big boys yet, and we got beat 62-14. The score with about 6 minutes remaining in the 2nd quarter was 14-14. That Beechwood team went on to win the state title. We were a pretty improved team my junior year through rigorous offseason training and we planned on making a run at the state title because we felt we had what it took. Again in the second round, we were to face the almighty beechwood, returning a vast majority of the same players including a very good quarterback. Our team had a real intensity from the get go still angry about the game a year earlier and we were up at halftime a score of 14-7. By the end of the game we had beaten them 48-7 and since then our two schools have been neck in neck competitors each year in the playoffs.....Im just saying that an intense Barwis offseason and a year of experience in the system with a few more of Rich's players being in there can go a long way NUT. I sense you swallowing your words sometime in the near future. Whether it be next year, or two years from now in the shoe, I can just sense that tides are not far from turning....Good Luck.

[FLex500]

Although I think RR will have a great season in 2009 (10-2) I think in the long run he will not be the answer you all are looking for.

It boils down to, is RR a great coach? This is something we can argue about, but I doubt anybody's opinion will be changed until more games are played and RR has a record to evaluate.

In the thread regarding Threet's transfer, Don raises a good point. Paul Johnson was able to take the kids he inherited who were recruited for a different system at Georgia Tech, and was able to achieve a 9-3 record with a win over Georgia.

Should RR have also gone 9-3? Probably not given the dearth of talent, but in no way should UM have gone 3-9.

This begs the question, why did UM go 3-9?

One possible explanation is that RR did not foster an attitude of respect among the team, or some variation on that, to which Justin Boren's comments spoke to.

Was Boren right to speak out? Perhaps, that was Motowns point. If someone doesn't speak out, how does else does the truth surface?

I would not have spoken out like Boren did because in the end, he came across looking immature and self-serving. I, however am not 20 years old, and I have the life experience to know how I would be perceived if I did speak out.

As for the rest of you, I understand your frustration with Boren's comments, but the vitriol spewed in response is as self-defeating as Boren's original comments. Let it go and move on.

At a minimum though, seeing as how Boren's comments are a part of the public record, I would think everyone would evaluate all of the things happening in the UM program and with RR under the light shined by Boren. There is something uniquely special about UM and that should not be diminshed or cast aside for the attainment of a few victories on the gridiron.
but you also have to understand the contrast in coaching styles that occured at UM. Because of my uncle being friends with Carr and working with the team for so long I saw a whole lot of practices under lloyd.

It was a VERY VERY low key deal. I did an athletic training 6 week internship with the titans and UM was way more low key than the titans. It was very much "everyone just do your thing"

I saw one practice this year at UM.....holly sh*t.....if i played under carr it would be a tough transition to rrod. It is beyond intense...very john gruden-ish. It is beyond a 180 degree turn. It's like old school 1970's sh*t.

BUT players who were recruited by rrod generally like him very much after their playing careers are over.

[Blue In Ohio]

I like the sounds of that. I like old school. That was how we practiced in High School and we usually won the league every year. We never had the best athletes, biggest players or most players. Often you started both ways. Sometimes it was amazing how we would beat up on larger schools with huge lines and 40 extra players on the sideline. Funny they would all be sitting there on the bench with their helmets off looking lazy. We would only be allowed to remove the helmets in the locker room and on the bus when told by the coaching staff we could do so. There was no sitting on benches on the sideline with helmet off. and at the end of practice we always did 100 sprints starting at 10 100's and working down to 10 10's. If anybody slacked we ran more. Our coaches pounded the shit out of us with tackling and blocking drills and if you looked like a coward you got called out and humiliated. If there was a fumble you were out of the game. If you missed your block or a tackle you came out for a while. Practice was ran like a disciplined boot camp and coaches would get physical if you screwed up. Clip boards sometimes got broken over heads when players screwed up in practice. I'm thankful for those practices and the heart it instilled in me. They made us into football players and men and although I was not fast, big or extremely athletic courage was instilled in me. The lessons I learned playing football for those coaches have stuck with me for the rest of my life. I'll take old school any day of the week over a pussy for a coach.

[Sten Carlson]

I saw one practice this year at UM.....holly sh*t.....if i played under carr it would be a tough transition to rrod. It is beyond intense...very john gruden-ish. It is beyond a 180 degree turn. It's like old school 1970's sh*t.

Interesting Flex, can you elaborate on that please? I was wondering about the nuts and bolts contrast between the two regimes.

Thanks!

[Swoosh]

Interesting Flex, can you elaborate on that please? I was wondering about the nuts and bolts contrast between the two regimes.

Thanks!

Lyod Carr = Steve Fisher

RR = Bob Knight

As for fitness and weight training difference, well there is no comparison IMO.

[Sten Carlson]

Lyod Carr = Steve Fisher

RR = Bob Knight

As for fitness and weight training difference, well there is no comparison IMO.

Yeah, no squats or free weights, that still amazes me!

I have on of Bo's books, Traditionand in it he talks about how he used to have his teams hit in practice so much that they actually were glad to get into the game because they felt like it was going to be LESS physical than Bo's practices! He went on to say that he felt that the limitation on scholarships had made many coaches shy away from such physical practices as their worried about players getting hurt. I wonder if the rash of injuries seen during the Carr era was one of the results of such an contact free practice style.

Also, I would have to imagine that the poor tackling we've all had to witness over the past few seasons was another result of the laid back practice style.

Thoughts?

[Swoosh]

Yeah, no squats or free weights, that still amazes me!

I have on of Bo's books, Traditionand in it he talks about how he used to have his teams hit in practice so much that they actually were glad to get into the game because they felt like it was going to be LESS physical than Bo's practices! He went on to say that he felt that the limitation on scholarships had made many coaches shy away from such physical practices as their worried about players getting hurt. I wonder if the rash of injuries seen during the Carr era was one of the results of such an contact free practice style.

Also, I would have to imagine that the poor tackling we've all had to witness over the past few seasons was another result of the laid back practice style.

Thoughts?


Best thing about Bo's QB's is they did not wear the red jersey in practice, they got hit like everyone else.

I do not think it was car, but more the signed of the times IMO.

[Mike Furley]

RR does not and will not ever equal Bob Knight

[Sten Carlson]

RR does not and will not ever equal Bob Knight

Yeah, you're right, seeing as how Knight is a BASKETBALL coach!

[Swoosh]

RR does not and will not ever equal Bob Knight


I am refering to his intensity;)

RR practices compared to Carr is as different as Fisher coaching stlye to Bobby Knight.

Take a deep Breath:p

[bigboyBlue]

Yeah, no squats or free weights, that still amazes me!

I have on of Bo's books, Traditionand in it he talks about how he used to have his teams hit in practice so much that they actually were glad to get into the game because they felt like it was going to be LESS physical than Bo's practices! He went on to say that he felt that the limitation on scholarships had made many coaches shy away from such physical practices as their worried about players getting hurt. I wonder if the rash of injuries seen during the Carr era was one of the results of such an contact free practice style.

Also, I would have to imagine that the poor tackling we've all had to witness over the past few seasons was another result of the laid back practice style.

Thoughts?

Stu Mandel had a column in SI after Boren's comments, where he dropped in on a RR practice. He commented that RR's practices were a) pretty similar to what he had seen at USC, Texas, Florida: high energy, high intensity, and b) left him wondering what kind of a laid back ship Carr was running that caused Boren to leave and left all the other players heaving. What we have now is NORMAL, what we had earlier was reticient, no wonder this team underwhelmed in all its season openers. The injuries had as much to do with not being used to a certain level of play as with poor conditioning.

I mean no free weights, seriously? I still can't get over that...

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Seeing how Knight is well respected, a winner and a Hall of Famer.

[bluefan]

Seeing how Knight is well respected, a winner and a Hall of Famer.

Yeah, that's why Indiana - the school he put on the map - ran his ass out on a rail.

[tpilews]

Yeah, that's why Indiana - the school he put on the map - ran his ass out on a rail.

Bob Knight is one of the most respected coaches in the history of the game. Indiana didn't run Knight out of town, Jim "the dumbass" Delany did. I've read a few Knight books and he would have left before he was fired but he believed the '01-'02 team was a Championship contender. Looks like he was right and probably would still be at IU with at least 4 NC's, had they not fired him.

Anyway, IU got what was coming to them. Sampson and the bullshit that came with him. IU is irrelevant in basketball ever since they got rid of Knight.

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Yeah, that's why Indiana - the school he put on the map - ran his ass out on a rail.

Look at all th etrouble they have had since he left. They wish like hell they had him now.

[Don Unverferth]

Yeah, no squats or free weights, that still amazes me!

I have on of Bo's books, Traditionand in it he talks about how he used to have his teams hit in practice so much that they actually were glad to get into the game because they felt like it was going to be LESS physical than Bo's practices! He went on to say that he felt that the limitation on scholarships had made many coaches shy away from such physical practices as their worried about players getting hurt. I wonder if the rash of injuries seen during the Carr era was one of the results of such an contact free practice style.

Also, I would have to imagine that the poor tackling we've all had to witness over the past few seasons was another result of the laid back practice style.

Thoughts?

Thinking that R Rod is taking the Bo approach of recruiting Ohio HEAVILY! Which will be the key to UM success unfortunately.

[tpilews]

Thinking that R Rod is taking the Bo approach of recruiting Ohio HEAVILY! Which will be the key to UM success unfortunately.

As much as guys on here will bust tuos's balls for recruiting so heavily near home, I can't blame tuos for it. There certainly is a ton of talent in the midwest here. Some of UM's greatest players are from Ohio.

[Silver Bullet]

As much as guys on here will bust tuos's balls for recruiting so heavily near home, I can't blame tuos for it. There certainly is a ton of talent in the midwest here. Some of UM's greatest players are from Ohio.

Not to start a war here, but I noticed a definite correlation over the last couple of years when Carr wasn't having much success in recruiting Ohio and an increase of losses on the part of Um. Just saying...

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Look at the Hail Victors Banner - the two best players on it are from the Buckeye State.

[bluefan]

Look at the Hail Victors Banner - the two best players on it are from the Buckeye State.

Your point? That should dig at you way more than it should affect us. The best Ohio players ever showed very un-Ohio-like brains and went to a real school in UM.

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Your point? That should dig at you way more than it should affect us. The best Ohio players ever showed very un-Ohio-like brains and went to a real school in UM.

Have you ever heard Desmond Howard speak on ESPN's college football show ? If you did you would not be mentioning him and the word brains in the same sentence.

[Wolvrin704]

Have you ever heard Desmond Howard speak on ESPN's college football show ? If you did you would not be mentioning him and the word brains in the same sentence.

No worse than Spielman or most any other Buckeye.......:D

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Two of the lead guys are Buckeyes. Herbie and Robert Smith are light years brightr then any Wolverine I have seen on TV (which is none after Howard).

[Bighouse]

Two of the lead guys are Buckeyes. Herbie and Robert Smith are light years brightr then any Wolverine I have seen on TV (which is none after Howard).
Most of them are still playing in the NFL..

[bigboyBlue]

Two of the lead guys are Buckeyes. Herbie and Robert Smith are light years brightr then any Wolverine I have seen on TV (which is none after Howard).

Really? I can bet Herbie couldn't hold Ann Coulter's jock in any conversation!

[rickyleach]

3 names , and all osu brainiacs andy katzinmoyer , reggie germany, and your new brightest star , t rell, ahhh pryor, all as dumb as a box of rocks, as far as herbie goes , those kneepads took him a long way, and robert smith during the time he played at osu ,preety much told your school to stuff it because he was movin on and wasnt getting anything more from osu , so your correct in saying he was smart ,another smart guy is robert choke hold reynolds, remember this guy , now all he does is beat his wife and shhit all over his family, lets not forget your new movie star alex the beer boone, what a freekin joke this guy is, or the other 31 players arrested under tressy

[Swoosh]

Two of the lead guys are Buckeyes. Herbie and Robert Smith are light years brightr then any Wolverine I have seen on TV (which is none after Howard).


That's because MI players actullay play after college:eek:

Opps someone already pointed this out, my bad

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Michigan has as meany former players as OSU does - why are they not on TV ? Herbie, Smith, George, Spielman, Kelloggs and Jimmie Jackson all have TV gigs. What does Michigan have Desmond Howard. He sounds retarded or drunk when he talks - maybe a little of both.

[Bighouse]

Michigan has as meany former players as OSU does - why are they not on TV ? Herbie, Smith, George, Spielman, Kelloggs and Jimmie Jackson all have TV gigs. What does Michigan have Desmond Howard. He sounds retarded or drunk when he talks - maybe a little of both.
Because dumbass, THEY ARE USING THEIR DEGREE!!!

[Wolvrin704]

That's because MI players actullay play after college:eek:

Opps someone already pointed this out, my bad

Not to mention that those who do finish playing ball usually go into something worthwhile with that degree they have.