Les Miles Vs. Rich Rodriguez

[bighousemike84]

I cant help myself. After a full year with Coach Rodriguez there are still M fans pining over Les Miles! Why? What makes him so fucking great. What all the fans and alumni wanted in a coach was Schembechler. I thought Carr was a Bo guy? I thought Carr was a Michigan Man but because of some poor losses and an inability to beat UOS all those fans and alums forgot that.

Now I love Bo Schembechler. A great coach and a great man who had an enormous amount of pride for Michigan. Yet I grew tired of the same old, same old at Michigan. Les Miles would have been just that! The same damn thing all over again. It was very exciting to hear that Rich Rod would be the next coach. I loved that M was willing to go in such a different direction. It showed me that while Michigan could have pride in the past it would not be dragged down by it. Les Miles is a good coach but I didnt want him and am so very happy that he didnt come to M.

Also for those out there that want to argue that Rodriguez is not a Michigan Man. Neither was Fielding Yost, or Fritz Crisler or Bo Schembechler!!! Arguably the 3 greatest coaches in Michigan Football history all came from outside the program. All of them came in to Michigan and became Michigan Men. They saw the pride and history of M football and realized how special it was to be a part of that. Coach Rodriguez is the same way. If he hasnt already fallen head over heels for everything Michigan then he soon will because a program like Wolverine football just burrows into your soul and attaches itself there. Anyone who comes in close contact with it is forever a part of it and they carry it with them for the rest of there lives.

Fuck Les Milles alright!

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

I cant help myself. After a full year with Coach Rodriguez there are still M fans pining over Les Miles! Why? What makes him so fucking great. What all the fans and alumni wanted in a coach was Schembechler. I thought Carr was a Bo guy? I thought Carr was a Michigan Man but because of some poor losses and an inability to beat UOS all those fans and alums forgot that.

Now I love Bo Schembechler. A great coach and a great man who had an enormous amount of pride for Michigan. Yet I grew tired of the same old, same old at Michigan. Les Miles would have been just that! The same damn thing all over again. It was very exciting to hear that Rich Rod would be the next coach. I loved that M was willing to go in such a different direction. It showed me that while Michigan could have pride in the past it would not be dragged down by it. Les Miles is a good coach but I didnt want him and am so very happy that he didnt come to M.

Also for those out there that want to argue that Rodriguez is not a Michigan Man. Neither was Fielding Yost, or Fritz Crisler or Bo Schembechler!!! Arguably the 3 greatest coaches in Michigan Football history all came from outside the program. All of them came in to Michigan and became Michigan Men. They saw the pride and history of M football and realized how special it was to be a part of that. Coach Rodriguez is the same way. If he hasnt already fallen head over heels for everything Michigan then he soon will because a program like Wolverine football just burrows into your soul and attaches itself there. Anyone who comes in close contact with it is forever a part of it and they carry it with them for the rest of there lives.

Fuck Les Milles alright!


Big house.. Back away from the cliff.. it is going to be ok.. don't jump.. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion (except NUT and Don cause they have nothing productive to say). Opinions are like assholes everyone has one and most of them stink..

[Buzz]

I cant help myself. After a full year with Coach Rodriguez there are still M fans pining over Les Miles! Why? What makes him so fucking great. What all the fans and alumni wanted in a coach was Schembechler. I thought Carr was a Bo guy? I thought Carr was a Michigan Man but because of some poor losses and an inability to beat UOS all those fans and alums forgot that.

Now I love Bo Schembechler. A great coach and a great man who had an enormous amount of pride for Michigan. Yet I grew tired of the same old, same old at Michigan. Les Miles would have been just that! The same damn thing all over again. It was very exciting to hear that Rich Rod would be the next coach. I loved that M was willing to go in such a different direction. It showed me that while Michigan could have pride in the past it would not be dragged down by it. Les Miles is a good coach but I didnt want him and am so very happy that he didnt come to M.

Also for those out there that want to argue that Rodriguez is not a Michigan Man. Neither was Fielding Yost, or Fritz Crisler or Bo Schembechler!!! Arguably the 3 greatest coaches in Michigan Football history all came from outside the program. All of them came in to Michigan and became Michigan Men. They saw the pride and history of M football and realized how special it was to be a part of that. Coach Rodriguez is the same way. If he hasnt already fallen head over heels for everything Michigan then he soon will because a program like Wolverine football just burrows into your soul and attaches itself there. Anyone who comes in close contact with it is forever a part of it and they carry it with them for the rest of there lives.

Fuck Les Milles alright!

You're talking about a ton of old stuff. I don't know, but maybe you were born at night......with all those posts you've made, I'm willing to put up some dinero that you were not born last night.

[Bighouse]

Who cares....it is what it is.......we have RR.....and I'm glad

[1OSUNUT]

You should be ashamed that you mentioned RR with those other three outstanding coaches. Those guys came to Michigan to develope young men and win games for all the right reasons - RR followed the money. Big Difference. RR would of just as easily been a North Carloina man or a Notre Dame man or a man of whoever paid him the most money. He has no ties to Michigan - to him its a job. Much like Cooper for example at OSU. Sure he wants to be sucessful and win games - but he never truely in his heart knew what OSU was all about.

You cannot read it in a book and you cannot learn it on the fly - you have it in you or you don't. Miles has it in him. I can tell you one thing Miles would not of been 3-9 and he would of recruited better then RR has. Les Miles is a loose cannon and he is unpredictable. His teams may be a bit up and down - but Bo built fire within his soul. He would of been good for Michigan as a whole because he could of united the alumni and brought them closer to the school. I happen to think RR will fail at Michigan and I have since day one.

[Bighouse]

You're scared Nut.......Deep down in your empty lonely heart you know RR is the devil that will get to your holy buckeyes.........its coming...

[1OSUNUT]

He will be gone after going 0-4 to TP and the Buckeyes - then the next guy will have to start all over again because RR left him with a bunch of WR's and no size. RR does not scare anybody.

[Bighouse]

He will be gone after going 0-4 to TP and the Buckeyes - then the next guy will have to start all over again because RR left him with a bunch of WR's and no size. RR does not scare anybody.
TP will be in jail soon. If his celebrity status in laughable columbus get him out, don't expect him to stay 3 more years either. The guy is a thug.

[RealSchool]

You should be ashamed that you mentioned RR with those other three outstanding coaches. Those guys came to Michigan to develope young men and win games for all the right reasons - RR followed the money. Big Difference. RR would of just as easily been a North Carloina man or a Notre Dame man or a man of whoever paid him the most money. He has no ties to Michigan - to him its a job. Much like Cooper for example at OSU. Sure he wants to be sucessful and win games - but he never truely in his heart knew what OSU was all about.

You cannot read it in a book and you cannot learn it on the fly - you have it in you or you don't. Miles has it in him. I can tell you one thing Miles would not of been 3-9 and he would of recruited better then RR has. Les Miles is a loose cannon and he is unpredictable. His teams may be a bit up and down - but Bo built fire within his soul. He would of been good for Michigan as a whole because he could of united the alumni and brought them closer to the school. I happen to think RR will fail at Michigan and I have since day one.

Liar and a retard. When RR was under consideration you posted a school like Michigan would never get someone as good as him.

I hate liars and that is what you are.

[NCBLUE]

Honestly I would have been more excited with Les Miles than RR but I think he will continue to develop and recruit. Michigan will be fine. I give Martin credit for going out of the box with the hire. It is all water under the bridge now..

[tpilews]

I can tell you one thing Miles would not of been 3-9 and he would of recruited better then RR has. Les Miles is a loose cannon and he is unpredictable. His teams may be a bit up and down - but Bo built fire within his soul. He would of been good for Michigan as a whole because he could of united the alumni and brought them closer to the school.

I think some of the things you said could be true. If Miles was the coach, the drastic change of the program would not have happened. More than likely, Mallett stays and so does Manningham. That's a bunch of offense with a lot of experience. The defense would have still been bad, but by the offense being better, the defense wouldn't have been put in such bad situations.

Miles may have been able to get some higher rated recruits at certain positions, but RR did a damn good job in this class. Give RR a couple years and when the results come on the field, the recruits will be lining up around the block.

[Bighouse]

Honestly I would have been more excited with Les Miles than RR but I think he will continue to develop and recruit. Michigan will be fine. I give Martin credit for going out of the box with the hire. It is all water under the bridge now..
RR runs an offense of the future......old pro stype offenses will be a thing of the past.....it's a trend thats been more obvious in the past several seasons, more than ever....unless you don't want to win......cough....cough.....Ohio State.

[Sten Carlson]

I can tell you one thing Miles would not of been 3-9 and he would of recruited better then RR has.

No you can't!

How in the world can you make such an unsubstantiated claim? Do you have a time machine? Are you able to change the past and see what the altered outcomes would be?

Go fuck yourself you fucking moron. You never cease to amaze me with your unadulterated BULLSHIT!

Everything you say lacks the essential element of PROVABILITY! You make outlandish statements like the one above, thump your chest, and act like you know something. When in fact, you're living in a fantasy world in which everything you say is gospel!

[Frank Rizzo]

go fuck ureself assnut,you don t know shit about our coach,But u fiddin to find out....

[bighousemike84]

go fuck ureself assnut,you don t know shit about our coach,But u fiddin to find out....

Ok you are not helping anything. Come back here with a coherent post or dont come back at all

[Panzer]

Thanks You Sten, well said:D

[Blue In Ohio]

Nothing against Les Miles but let's face it he's as sucessful as he is because of all the talent around him. With the talent he has any coach in America could go in there and win. I wouldn't yet compare Rich Rod to him because Rich Rod never had that level of talent and defensive speed with any team he has ever had.

[Blue In Ohio]

Probably best to compare both of them at their lesser jobs without top 25 recruiting classes. Les at OK st. and Rich at WVA or Tulsa. Les best season was 7-4 at Ok st. and Rich Rod went 11-2 at WVA and I believe undefeated at Tulsa. Based on that I'd go with Rich Rod.

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

No you can't!

How in the world can you make such an unsubstantiated claim? Do you have a time machine? Are you able to change the past and see what the altered outcomes would be?

Go fuck yourself you fucking moron. You never cease to amaze me with your unadulterated BULLSHIT!

Everything you say lacks the essential element of PROVABILITY! You make outlandish statements like the one above, thump your chest, and act like you know something. When in fact, you're living in a fantasy world in which everything you say is gospel!

Now there is the Sten I know and love... Welcome back..

[Sten Carlson]

Probably best to compare both of them at their lesser jobs without top 25 recruiting classes. Les at OK st. and Rich at WVA or Tulsa. Les best season was 7-4 at Ok st. and Rich Rod went 11-2 at WVA and I believe undefeated at Tulsa. Based on that I'd go with Rich Rod.

Tulsa? I think you mean Tulane, right? T word, lesser known football school, easy mistake Blue! But your point is well made!

[1OSUNUT]

Most good coaches would adapt his style of football to the players that he has. RR said when he was hired that he can adapt his system to the talent he has - why didn't he ? He sacrificed pride and streaks because he lacks the ability to coach anything other then the spread. Coaches all over the country get hired and they have to coach teams with a lot less talent then Michigan had - and they win more then 3 games. So he didn't have kids he recruited - big deal. Coach what you have and adapt. Tressel took a bunch of Coopers players and beat Michigan in AA in his first year - he even had the balls to call his shot.

Miles would of loved to have his own guys if he was the coach at Michigan - but he would not of chucked a season because he didn't. If Michigan had Les Miles they woud of went to a bowl game. Based on what many of you say the kids RR had last year were far better rated then the kids he was able to recruit at WVU - yet he wins 3 lousy games. No excuse for that. he should of ran a modified version of his offense like he said he would do untill he had the right parts in place to do a complete conversion. You learn more about a coach in a losing season when he does not have all the pieces then you do when everything is peachy. RR did not impress anybody with his lack of adjustments during the season or during games last year. In fact he was pathetic at times. Michigan made so many stupid mistakes that were mental - that is coaching. Not being able to tackle or cover on defense - that is coaching.

[Wolvrin704]

You should be ashamed that you mentioned RR with those other three outstanding coaches. Those guys came to Michigan to develope young men and win games for all the right reasons - RR followed the money. Big Difference. RR would of just as easily been a North Carloina man or a Notre Dame man or a man of whoever paid him the most money. He has no ties to Michigan - to him its a job. Much like Cooper for example at OSU. Sure he wants to be sucessful and win games - but he never truely in his heart knew what OSU was all about.

You cannot read it in a book and you cannot learn it on the fly - you have it in you or you don't. Miles has it in him. I can tell you one thing Miles would not of been 3-9 and he would of recruited better then RR has. Les Miles is a loose cannon and he is unpredictable. His teams may be a bit up and down - but Bo built fire within his soul. He would of been good for Michigan as a whole because he could of united the alumni and brought them closer to the school. I happen to think RR will fail at Michigan and I have since day one.

You're so right, RR only follows the money. Thats why he went to Alabama a couple of years ago when they threw a huge wad of money at him.

Oh wait, my bad he didn't go to Alabama. You do realize that anytime a coach takes another job it usually goes along with a pay raise?


Most good coaches would adapt his style of football to the players that he has. RR said when he was hired that he can adapt his system to the talent he has - why didn't he ?

Its called only one returning starter on offense and several freshmen were starting. No experience so he integrated his system full bore instead because since the players were all new they would have to learn a new system no matter what it was anyways. Is it really that hard to understand? Had he had a few returning players he would have adjusted to meet their needs but that didn't happen. Now those guys returning know the sytem and can build on that.

[Mike Furley]

not to knit-pick too much, but why is RR given the credit for Tulane's success? he was the QB's coach. The head coach was Bowden, and if i'm not mistaken, the offense he brought with him from FSU was already pretty damn good.

And by the way, Nut, there are no such expressions as "would of", "could of", "should of", etc. If there were, the contractions would be "would'f, could'f. and should'f". If you're going to be representing Ohio State, please try and stay at least within the ballpark of literacy. would have = would've; should have = should've; could have = could've.

[osusteve]

If I had been the Michigan AD, I would have gone with Rodriguez.

Miles has been effective at LSU for reasons that might not have made him effective at Michigan. First, he inherited a lot of great players from the Saban regime. Second, he has no competition in state for Louisiana players. Third, he is on the border of Texas so is able to recruit heavy there and get kids who want to be close to home. Finally, I have to believe that LSU has lower scholastic standards than Big 10 schools, Texas, and some other big time programs so he can bring in anybody whether or not they can read or write.

[tpilews]

Most good coaches would adapt his style of football to the players that he has. RR said when he was hired that he can adapt his system to the talent he has - why didn't he ?

I'm pretty sure we covered this already. Adapting your team to the players does not mean a spread coach implements a pro set because he has a pro set qb. Adapting your system means you throw the ball a little more because the guy is a better passer than runner. Unfortunately, Threet wasn't a good runner or passer. When Sheridan was in the game, RR called a lot more roll-outs because Sheridan was comfortable and delivered a nice ball on the run. So, to that extent, yes, RR adapted his system to his qb's strengths, despite their weaknesses far outweighing their strengths. Also, as Wolvrin704 said, there was one returning starter on offense. This was a perfect opportunity to get as much experience in the future offense as possible. And now this year, you have a team full of guys that know the system that can help the freshmen qbs get adapted quicker. We will see more of the offense this year than we ever have.

[Sten Carlson]

Most good coaches would adapt his style of football to the players that he has.

Again NUT, unsubstantiated bullshit. You never give fact, you only come in with generalities and biased opinions. Do you know "most good coaches"? Since I am in law school, I am going to start addressing the troll posts as if you're testifying in court.

Objection, hearsay! Objection sustained, reporter, please strike Mr. Nuts last comment from the record, and jury, you're ordered to disregard it.



RR said when he was hired that he can adapt his system to the talent he has - why didn't he ?

Doing such an adaptation, and being successful with it are two disparate things Nut. He certainly dumbed down his system and gave Threet and Sheridan only the plays and concepts that they could handle -- where the rubber meets the road is in the execution, which just wasn't there. Perhaps he over estimated his player's ability to catch on to the spread option. But, as has been pointed out in here, and by RR himself in pressers, is that he had to install the system a.s.a.p. otherwise he'd be teaching it this year, and possibly into next season as a result.


He sacrificed pride and streaks because he lacks the ability to coach anything other then the spread.

Objection, hearsay. Sustained!

Are you really claiming to be privy to the pride that Michigan Men and Women all over the world feel toward their alma mater and their football program? Are you really trying to get us to believe you know, for a fact, that the Michigan fan base lost pride in their team because RR came in and installed a spread option last season? Again, you have no idea how I, nor how any other Michigan fan feels. In fact, if you actually had the intelligence to read and comprehend what MOST Michigan Men say in here and other places you'd plainly see that our pride is actually growing, not waning as we're all pretty positive about the changes that we're seeing in program under RR. See the above comment [and the comment of others concerning the scheme transition] as to why he chose to install his system completely in the '08 season -- I know it takes some long-term planning skills, some foresight and the ability to forgo immediate gratification for future success, but try to grasp the concepts that have been discussed in here ad infinitum!


Coaches all over the country get hired and they have to coach teams with a lot less talent then Michigan had - and they win more then 3 games.

Names please! And again, the level of talent at the key position of QB was lower than it may have ever been in Michigan history. What was RR supposed to do, go into his woodshed and whittle himself a dual-threat QB that can run a 4.4 and has a rocket arm? Do you think Michigan would have been substantially better had he stuck with a pro-set offense to match Threet's ability? Again, nobody can answer that question, and since it is unanswerable, and RR knew it was such, he chose to go forward with his plan to install the spread option to make sure that this season it was in and the players returning didn't have to start from square 1. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?



Tressel took a bunch of Coopers players and beat Michigan in AA in his first year - he even had the balls to call his shot.

Yes, but JT had a QB that was not the worst in school history. Furthermore, JT simply picked up Cooper's playbook and went with it with no intention of changing anything significantly. RR, by contrast, took the job and said, "I am going to change the system, are you ok with that?" Martin agreed that he was fine with the change, so they went with it. Two completely different scenarios, so there is no sound analogy in play, no matter what you think Nut.


Miles would of loved to have his own guys if he was the coach at Michigan - but he would not of chucked a season because he didn't.

Objection, hearsay! Sustained!

Are you really trying to tell us that you KNOW what Les Miles would or wouldn't have done if he were to have accepted the Michigan job? Do you guys meet for lunch once a week? Does he send you text messages? No? Then please Nut, stop with the conjecture. You don't know what Les Miles would have done, nor is such speculation relevant to the conversation.


If Michigan had Les Miles they woud of went to a bowl game.

Objection, hearsay! Your Honor, please -- how much more this nonsense are we going to have to endure. Sustained!

Really, a bowl game, is that where they would have WENT? You should be a billionaire by now with that Time Machine that you invented Nut! It must be fun to go back in time, change the circumstances of history, and then be able to witness the myriad of different outcomes as they play out. What if the Germans won WWII, what if the Hindenberg hadn't blown up, what if that pass interference call WASN'T made in the OSU v. Miami National Championship game...what if you daddy never had sex with his little sister and you were never born?!?


Based on what many of you say the kids RR had last year were far better rated then the kids he was able to recruit at WVU - yet he wins 3 lousy games. No excuse for that.

The overall talent on the Michigan team is far superior to WVU's, but for one glaring position -- that of QB! We've been over this a million times. Trying to compare Pat White to Threet is no comparison. Again, why is it so hard for you to understand that when Carr left, and Mallet transferred (no, RR didn't "run him off", in fact, he asked him to stay but his mind was made up BEFORE Carr even announced he was retiring) RR was left with basically nothing. So, you're wrong again Nut, there is a very viable excuse for that. If you're really doubting that fact, just wait until this coming season, and you'll be witness to what RR's system is like when he has a QB that can actually pass the ball more than 12 yards down field! Oh I forgot, you've got a time machine, so you already know the outcome of this year's games, right?


he should of ran a modified version of his offense like he said he would do untill he had the right parts in place to do a complete conversion.

He should have huh? Says who? You? Beano Cook? Keith Jackson? Who? When did he say that he would do such a thing? Why should he have done that? So he could spend all of 2009 teaching the system, and thus making a winning season difficult again? You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're wrong, and I think RR knows what he's doing much better than you know. I think that your insistence upon such an opinion evidences your ignorance and you're lack of cognitive reason skills. But then, that is just my opinion.


You learn more about a coach in a losing season when he does not have all the pieces then you do when everything is peachy.

Finally, something that we actually agree upon. I personally think that RR showed the entire Michigan family that he respects the tradition of Michigan football, that he is working hard everyday to bring us back to glory, and that his foresight, determination, and will to win make him a great coach for Michigan! I think we also learned through this trying time who are the true Michigan Men and Woman, and who are the hanger-ons. Those that are jumping ship after one bad season in the midst of a total program-wide transition are the chaff, and they're being separated from the wheat, and the program and the fan base is only going to get stronger because of it.



RR did not impress anybody with his lack of adjustments during the season or during games last year.

Objection, hearsay! Sustained.

Again, Nut, are you really saying that you're privy to the feelings and opinions of EVERYBODY? I was impressed by the way the team played in the second half against Wisconsin, and the way they played in the first half against PSU. Others were impressed at times, so your all encompassing statement is again shown to be nothing but unsubstantiated BULLSHIT spewed from the mouth of a biased Troll!

What adjustments could he have made, pray tell Nut? Was he supposed to go back to a pro-set in mid-season?


Michigan made so many stupid mistakes that were mental - that is coaching. Not being able to tackle or cover on defense - that is coaching.

I agree with you there, but since RR didn't coach 95% of the players on the field but for a few months prior to them making those mistakes and missing those tackles I am willing to give him a pass and wait to judge him based on the team's performance in the 2009 season.

In closing, you've once again shown us all what a biased and vacuous moron you are by claiming many of the things you claim. You have no factual basis for 99% of what you profess to be fact, yet you continually pass it off as such. You're not fooling me, and neither would you fool a jury. You're entitled to your opinion, but when you come here to express it (which is interesting in and of itself as nearly everyone in here HATES you and wishes you wouldn't) please, for the love of Christ, use language that expressly indicates that its your opinion and not fact. "I think...I believe...IMO..." etc. Your constant assertion of what everyone thinks and what would have happened in some alternate reality are inane, and downright childish!

[bighousemike84]

When Sheridan was in the game, RR called a lot more roll-outs because Sheridan was comfortable and delivered a nice ball on the run.

Good point. That makes me wonder of that wasnt the main reason that Coach Rod had Sheridan starting against Utah. I dont think Threet was entirely incompetent. He showed flashes of talent a few times but he was very inconsistent. Sheridan didnt throw the ball better than Threet but what he could do better was run. I really think that had a lot to do with Coaches decision at the beginning of the season

[bighousemike84]

Damn Sten! Thats 2 Ginormous posts in 1 day. Kinda slow at work eh?

[bigboyBlue]

Damn Sten! Thats 2 Ginormous posts in 1 day. Kinda slow at work eh?

Seriously. Can't say I'll read it but positive rep for you man, for the effort!

[Sten Carlson]

Damn Sten! Thats 2 Ginormous posts in 1 day. Kinda slow at work eh?


LOL! I am supposed to be studying my law books! But, I got sidetracked. I am ahead on the reading and only have a few more cases to brief today anyway. Been at it since 7:00!

Sorry the posts are so long, but I felt like going through them point by point was the best way to show how infantile and unfounded their arguments are.

Go Blue!

[bighousemike84]

LOL! I am supposed to be studying my law books! But, I got sidetracked. I am ahead on the reading and only have a few more cases to brief today anyway. Been at it since 7:00!

Sorry the posts are so long, but I felt like going through them point by point was the best way to show how infantile and unfounded their arguments are.

Go Blue!

:D Totally understand.

I have had the urge to do the same kind of thing but I have come to the conclusion that I would rather not waste the time writing the message because as you can see guys like RTB and Nut dont base their arguments on fact. They simply enjoy arguing with those of us rational people on here and you cant convince them of their ignorance

Still more power to you for saying what should be said

[rickyleach]

who cares about les miles , he is not at michigan and never will be, he is a very good coach , rich rod is the man and i believe will put michigan back on top in the college football world. thats all that matters. ,

[1OSUNUT]

I love hearing you say that Ricky because everything you say - the opposite happens. Thank You

[Bighouse]

I love hearing you say that Ricky because everything you say - the opposite happens. Thank You
The opposite happens huh? How is that different from OSU fans saying they will win the NC every year:confused:

[tpilews]

OSU fans saying they will win the NC every year

The sad thing about that is that it is actually true. Go on any tuos board and see for yourself.

[Bighouse]

The sad thing about that is that it is actually true. Go on any tuos board and see for yourself.
I know. The media and fans are completely brainwashed into thinking UOS is god. They play a good team and lose....every...freakin....year..........'09 will be no different. Come on OSUNUT, say it with me.......O-H.......I-O.......O-H.....I-O.....pathetic:D

[Panzer]

Sten you"re going to make a fine Attorney. Nice Rebuttle

[rickyleach]

NUT ,JUST LIKE I SAID YOU WOULD GET YOUR ASSSSES HANDED TO YOU BY USC AND TEXAS WOULD WHIP YA , YOUR RIGHT i was right, plus i think i said you and silvernuts would have sex together , ill bet tressey is pissed over that...

[Sten Carlson]

Sten you"re going to make a fine Attorney. Nice Rebuttle

Thanks Panzer, I appreciate the compliment!