Pryor vs Tate

[Bighouse]

Who will have a bigger impact on their team coming in as freshman?

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

pyror was the better runner, tate the better passer. really all to say about it before tate plays in a game

[bigboyBlue]

pyror was the better runner, tate the better passer. really all to say about it before tate plays in a game

Yeah, you're really comparing apples and oranges. In the end though, they're both fruits.

[RealSchool]

ummmm, none of us can answer this question. Like ummm yeah, this Tate guy hasn't played a single game yet.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

Enough with the useless forcier threads. How about we WAIT and see how he plays. END of Convo.

[Wolvrin704]

Enough with the useless forcier threads. How about we WAIT and see how he plays. END of Convo.

I couldn't agree more. Its silly to talk about the guy and make comparisons before he's even taken a snap.

[1OSUNUT]

pyror was the better runner, tate the better passer. really all to say about it before tate plays in a game

How can you say Tate is a better passer ? TP was a good passer in high school as well. In fact TP threw a lazer 60 yards across the field for a TD in the Army game last year. Things change once your actually playing in a college game. Throws that were easy in high school are harder, guys who were open in high school are now covered, you don't have near the amount of time to throw the ball and bad throws are tipped or picked more often. If you don't think there is pressure playing college QB - your crazy. TP was confident as hell coming into Ohio State - but the game humbles you. When your at a school like Ohio State or Michigan your mistakes are amplified and in the case of Ohio State last year - more costly.

TP felt horrible that he fumbled against Penn State because it cost them a huge game. He learned from that, but it does not ease the pain. I want a QB that cares about his team and teamates - and that shows some emotion. Tate will be in the same boat. He will have times against subpar teams where he looks pretty good. He will also have games where he gets chased around, sacked because he is holding the ball to long and balls that are picked off because he was trying to do to much. It's part of the learning curve. To say that Tate is going to be great might be to far of a reach. He is playing the hardest position, on one of the biggest stages with no experience or anybody behind him to learn from. TP is going to have a break out year this year and is surrounded by weapons. His throwing will be much better because of the work and reps he will be getting in the spring - and his experience from last year. The game should be slower for him this year and that will increase his confidence in what he is able to do. Tate will have to learn everything much like TP did last year. Playing on friday night is not like playing on saturday in from of 100,000+ - friendly or hostile.

I still think if RR had his choice he would take TP over Tate. RR really went hard after TP and pretty much put all his eggs in one basket to get him last year. Losing TP was as big a reason Michigan had the season they had as any. Tate was not even the #1 spread QB available this year. That does not mean he cannot be the best - he just has a lot to prove. He also might want to talk less and learn more. The last thing Michigan needs is for their QB to give teams bulletin board material. There is nothing wrong with being confident - but cocky is not usally good.

[rickyleach]

t/pryor thru a 60 yard lazer across the field, who cares ,the facts are that for all of that talent ohio state had in 2008 ,all those great players came back to win it all. with senior leadership at QB ,remember that is why pryor picked ohio state ,because all of you said he could learn from beokmen, sounds to me like tressel is the one who could have learned a thing or two, and then you have a hotshot qb ,and your team lost 3 games, so if you really look at the whole picture pryor WITH ALL THAT TALENT DIDNT DO AS WELL AS ALL OF YOU THOUGHT, AND EVERYONE OF YOU KNOW ,HE ISNT VERY GOOD AT PASSING THE FOOTBALL, SO FOR YOU TO COMPARE TATE /VRS TRELL , I THINK YOU WILL SEE TATE IS GOING TO LEARN FAR MORE THEN THAT PEABRAIN YOU CALL T/RELL IN THE FIRST YEAR. YOU IDIOTS ACT LIKE T.RELL PUT TOGETHER SOME GREAT SEASON ,BUT FORGOT TO ADD ,OH YA WE HAD 20 RETURNING STARTERS BACK , SO I THINK MAYBE THAT HELPED A BIT IN HIS PLAYING, TATE WONT HAVE THAT SO TO COMPARE IS PRETTY WEAK, 10 AND 3 WAS PRETTY SAD FOR ALL THAT TALENT,

[The Michigan Man]

Enough with the useless forcier threads. How about we WAIT and see how he plays. END of Convo.

Its February - what would you like for us to talk about, chimps eating peoples faces? So people are excited about Forcier, let us be fans and chat about him since there is very little football news in the near future.

[1OSUNUT]

Tate should be in the same boat next year. Michigan has a ton of kids returning with experience as well. Let's see if Michigan goes 10-3 with a co-championship and a BCS bowl. I'm guessing they won't. There should be zero excuses next year. You have plenty of kids with a full season under their belts and RR has far more talent then he has ever had at WVU - so you guys say. There should be no reason that Michigan should not contend for a championship and a BCS bowl next year - since our conference is so bad.

Who's to say Tate even starts this year. Maybe he gets hurt in the Spring - who knows. I don't remember him even being named the starter - maybe I missed it.

[Bighouse]

Its February - what would you like for us to talk about, chimps eating peoples faces? So people are excited about Forcier, let us be fans and chat about him since there is very little football news in the near future.
Thanks MM. Maybe I should have started this thread differently. What I meant to say initially was....Who will have a bigger impact on their team coming in as freshman?

[Wolvrin704]

Tate should be in the same boat next year. Michigan has a ton of kids returning with experience as well. Let's see if Michigan goes 10-3 with a co-championship and a BCS bowl. I'm guessing they won't. There should be zero excuses next year. You have plenty of kids with a full season under their belts and RR has far more talent then he has ever had at WVU - so you guys say. There should be no reason that Michigan should not contend for a championship and a BCS bowl next year - since our conference is so bad.

Who's to say Tate even starts this year. Maybe he gets hurt in the Spring - who knows. I don't remember him even being named the starter - maybe I missed it.

Are you talking about 2009 or 2010? Either way UM DOES NOT have senior leadership for either season like OSU did last season. Nor are they building off back-to-back NC games. The point is after being in 2 consecutive NC's and with senior leadership OSU should have been undefeated and won the NC. Thats taking your program forward. And isn't that what YOU had been preaching at us, that 2008 was going to be OSU's year? I don't think many UM fans think they will go 10-3 with a BCS bearth in 2009, maybe in 2010.

It is illogical to say UM should match OSU's record from 2008 in 2009 based on 1 years experience especially with the season they had. I had forgotten how illogical the trolls are on here.....but they keep trying their best to remind me.

[ironhide]

A blow out loss at home to USC to open the season, and then running into a Big Ten all geared up and shooting just for them...
And no experience anywhere on the team. Too bad!

[Bighouse]

A blow out loss at home to USC to open the season, and then running into a Big Ten all geared up and shooting just for them...
And no experience anywhere on the team. Too bad!
and.....no running back. Don't give me "we have Saine and Herron". We all saw last year that they are too small for "run up the gut" type of play; plus tressy uses them wrong.......they would be much better off playing on our team.....:D

[Buzz]

he's a running back that knows how to chuck the ball a litte bit....in a pro style offense. That's a bad look for you bucknuts.

Can't wait to see them get embarrassed by USC again....this time at bucknuts stadium.

[ronleflore]

Who will have a bigger impact on their team coming in as freshman?

Mikey, take your medication, and maybe you won't suck anymore!

[1OSUNUT]

You guys are going to be un-pleasently surprised at how much talent Ohio State does have with actual experience. The defense is going to be outstanding and the group of WR's might be the best overall talent wise Ohio State has had in years. We will be deep at RB and the offensive line should be huge. Wishful thinking that Ohio State is slipping. Just because Michigan won 3 games and sucks, does not mean Ohio State will drop off. The Buckeyes will be the team to beat again this year.

[rickyleach]

Nut the only thing deep and not a surprise is tressey having his swizzle stick up your butt, like you said last year , were gonna do this and were gonna do that and we have all this talent and the great t/pryor is on our team , we have all this senoir leadership , what a crock of tressel that is , do you think anyone in the country think s ohio state is a force, answer not one , in fact they have your so called great team ranked between 13 and 15 in the country, so after your asssss beating by usc , maybe in the top 25, dont even mention what your team is going to do , because your all talk and no action , unless its taking tressels pecker in your mouth.. Nobody takes you serious and everyone laughs at you.. Maybe you can star in your own movie, called tressel does 1osunut..

[1OSUNUT]

If the nation thinks Ohio State is a joke - what has Michigan become ? Ohio State was co-champions of the Big Ten and went to a BCS bowl. In that bowl they took what many think to be the best team in the nation right down to the wire - and lost in the final seconds. Michigan on the other hand won 3 games all year and finish at or near the bottom in a so called bad Big Ten conference. Maybe you should rethink whos program is a joke right now. I don't want to hear what you think Michigan can do - it's what they have done.

The Wolverines are a 3-9 team - period. That is the fact.

[Wolvrin704]

You guys are going to be un-pleasently surprised at how much talent Ohio State does have with actual experience. The defense is going to be outstanding and the group of WR's might be the best overall talent wise Ohio State has had in years. We will be deep at RB and the offensive line should be huge. Wishful thinking that Ohio State is slipping. Just because Michigan won 3 games and sucks, does not mean Ohio State will drop off. The Buckeyes will be the team to beat again this year.

Your team last year had FAR more experience and fell out of contention for the NC that YOU had been predicting for 2 years by late September. This years team is less experienced than last years team, you have to admit that.

You are so delusional its beyond description.
Will your D be good? Yes and no. You should have a good line but lose a bit at LB and db.
WR? Aren't you the guy that raved for the last few years over the guys you had? And we are to believe you now? You guys haven't had a decent WR since Holmes.
RB? You may still be deep but you are seriously over the edge if you don't think you lose something with Wells gone now.
Your O-line will be decent because they got expereince but the coaching is suspect if last years seniors were getting beat out by underclassmen. There was no coaching or philosophy change to explain it and you can't say the young guys were so much better when you raved so much last summer about your senior O-line.

[rickyleach]

spin it any way you want nut, again the facts are ,and the college football nation knows ,that ohio states football team is and has been ovrrated and the laughing stock of college football, your university ,your fans and YOUR MEDIA CREATED YOUR IMAGE PROBLEM ,WITH ALL THIS TALK OF HOW GREAT YOUR TEAM AND PROGRAM IS , YOUR PROGRAM BEATS TEAMS OUTSIDE OF THE BIG10 THAT ARE WEAK AND HAS BEEN FEEDING OFF OF A VERY WEAK BIG10 OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND AM I SAYING BECAUSE MICHIGAN HAS NOT BEEN TOUGH , IT SURE HASNT HELPED , BUT ATLEAST WE CAN BEAT SEC TEAMS , BUT YOU GUYS CANT BEAT SEC OR TOP TEAMS IN THE BIG12 OR PACK10 , YOU ARE A TOTAL FREEKIN EMBARRASSSSMENT TO THE BIG10 AND BIG GAME TRESSEL NO LONGER EXISTS, HE HASNT WON A BIG GAME SINSE THE 2006 MICHIGAN OSU GAME , 3 YEARS BOZO, AND YOU CALL HIM GOOD, HE HAS LOST HIS LAST 6 GAMES AGAINST TOP10 TEAMS, WHAT A FREEKIN JOKE HE IS..

[byebyelloyd]

You guys are going to be un-pleasently surprised at how much talent Ohio State does have with actual experience. The defense is going to be outstanding and the group of WR's might be the best overall talent wise Ohio State has had in years. We will be deep at RB and the offensive line should be huge. Wishful thinking that Ohio State is slipping. Just because Michigan won 3 games and sucks, does not mean Ohio State will drop off. The Buckeyes will be the team to beat again this year.

delusional wishful thinking pussy, but you'll find out soon enough how ineffective they're becoming. what you're too fucking stupid to realize is michigan, faced with the prospect of falling even farther behind like ohio state is, decided a few steps back for a giant leap forward is worth more than trying to make an old antiquated system work as you find out EVERY TIME ohio state plays out of conference and you will get to see against michigan in the very near future.

[byebyelloyd]

If the nation thinks Ohio State is a joke - what has Michigan become ? Ohio State was co-champions of the Big Ten and went to a BCS bowl. In that bowl they took what many think to be the best team in the nation right down to the wire - and lost in the final seconds. Michigan on the other hand won 3 games all year and finish at or near the bottom in a so called bad Big Ten conference. Maybe you should rethink whos program is a joke right now. I don't want to hear what you think Michigan can do - it's what they have done.

The Wolverines are a 3-9 team - period. That is the fact.

they beat the team that not only beat the living shit out of ohio state, but also won the NC game and is from, yes pussy, you guessed it, the SEC, showing once again how irrelevant and obsolete ohio state is becoming.

[Don Unverferth]

Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:36 pm EST

Good luck with that true freshman quarterback, Michigan.
By Matt Hinton
Most of the time, when a team winds up starting a true freshman quarterback, the process is just that: Winding, either through injuries or some other minor disaster. Even in the case of an obviously special athlete like Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State didn't want to throw him into the fire -- it was just obvious with Todd Boeckman's collapse at Southern Cal that the Buckeyes had no choice. Ditto pending No. 1 draft choice Matt Stafford, who only ascended to the top of Georgia's depth chart midway through the 2006 season by virtue of senior Joe Tereshinski's all-too-obvious limitations.

Michigan's situation is unique, then, in that the Wolverines are the rare outfit that is virtually certain to start a newbie, and has all offseason to brace for the impact: With four-star recruit Tate Forcier already on campus and only beleaguered walk-on Nick Sheridan on the returning depth chart, Steven Threet's decision to transfer all but guarantees Forcier -- or classmate Denard Robinson, a wannabe Pat White who show up in the summer -- will be the top signal-caller from the first whistle in August.

Usually, this means disaster. Rivals looked at the top freshman quarterbacks of the last five years earlier this week, and even if you disagree with their list (uh, Bo Levi Mitchell over role player Tim Tebow, huh?), it's hard to argue with this much: The pickings are slim. Only two true freshman quarterbacks on that list -- three at most, if you count Erik Ainge -- were unquestioned successes out of the gate, and Chad Henne and Robert Griffin are certainly the exceptions:





It's a mixed bag, except for this: All of the quarterbacks with good records -- say, at least eight wins, even in cases (like Leak and Stafford) when that was considered a disappointment -- were role players with a lot of talent around them, and even quality efforts by surprises like Griffin and Tuitama didn't do much to lift their teams out of mediocrity. The question, then, is whether Michigan is still stocked enough to surround Forcier with the kind of supporting cast that benefitted Ainge, Leak, Henne, Mustain and Stafford (Pryor is not exactly a realistic comparison). If you think so, based on available evidence at the Wolverines' skill positions, who, exactly, might you be referring to? Maybe Brandon Minor in the running game, but that's assuming a vastly improved offensive line.

[tpilews]

Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:36 pm EST

Good luck with that true freshman quarterback, Michigan.
By Matt Hinton



Yep, thanks Don, I read that when it came out 3 days ago.

[1OSUNUT]

If Michigan had a FAILURE season like Ohio State just had you guys would be beating your chests how great you were. He had a bad season by our standards and won a co-championship and went to a BCS game. Ohio State realizes that it has to change a bit and has gone out and got big athletic wideouts and smaller / quicker running backs. The Buckeyes will run more plays this year to highlight TP's abilities. You will not see the power I as much this year with Beanie gone. The defense will be solid. The defensive line and linebackers will be deep and talented. Expect Homan, Sabino, Bell and others to continue the strong tradition set down by the LB's before them. They will be younger at the corners but still have enough (3 starters) backfield returners to be solid again. Plus Ohio State has a good track record with developing DB's.

Ohio State wins all the games that they are supposed to and has has had trouble in the big games as of late. I expect that to change with USC coming to Columbus this year. One thing OSU does not do is lose to 1AA schools or lower level MAC schools. Michigan is the one who is trying to wipe the egg off it's face from the last two seasons. Michigan is the team that can go either way next season. While Ohio State is trying to get to the next (elite) level - Michigan is just trying to be respectable. Michigan has a lot longer to go to gain respect then Ohio State has to go to be elite.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

Osu nut how much time per day would you say you waste posting shit that no one reads? Just wondering what a rough estimate would be... 2 hours at least, right?

Your inferiority complex is insane.

[NCBLUE]

Nationally oSU's reputation is pretty bad. I live in the south and get grief constantly about how many times they have choked on the big stage. In fact one USC fan went on to say they he thought oSU just was not very good period. It always put's me in the akward postion of defending the big ten or allowing people to rip on oSU ( I usually allow the latter).

However as much as it pains me to say, oSU if the creme of the Big Ten right now. Tressel even though he has slipped as of late (last 2-3 years) has delivered. Even though I would not put him in the elite category, I would put him in the very good category.

Martin rolled the dice and went after RR and it was a risky proposition. I think it will pay off though.

[tpilews]

Nationally oSU's reputation is pretty bad. I live in the south and get grief constantly about how many times they have choked on the big stage. In fact one USC fan went on to say they he thought oSU just was not very good period. It always put's me in the akward postion of defending the big ten or allowing people to rip on oSU ( I usually allow the latter).

However as much as it pains me to say, oSU if the creme of the Big Ten right now. Tressel even though he has slipped as of late (last 2-3 years) has delivered. Even though I would not put him in the elite category, I would put him in the very good category.

Martin rolled the dice and went after RR and it was a risky proposition. I think it will pay off though.

I agree NCBLUE. Down here in sec country, UM is at least respected. Hell, one of the last games NC florida lost to was UM. Yes, a different year, but you've still got to respect UM's record against the sec. Most people that I talk to that aren't UM fans, always say that UM will be back soon.

I don't hear that kind of respect being thrown around about tuos down here.

Nut, as far as your
"Michigan has a lot longer to go to gain respect then Ohio State has to go to be elite." I couldn't disagree more. UM can gain a ton of respect back next year. I honestly can't see tuos becoming elite next year, unless they win every game next year by three touchdowns.

[byebyelloyd]

If Michigan had a FAILURE season like Ohio State just had you guys would be beating your chests how great you were. He had a bad season by our standards and won a co-championship and went to a BCS game. Ohio State realizes that it has to change a bit and has gone out and got big athletic wideouts and smaller / quicker running backs. The Buckeyes will run more plays this year to highlight TP's abilities. You will not see the power I as much this year with Beanie gone. The defense will be solid. The defensive line and linebackers will be deep and talented. Expect Homan, Sabino, Bell and others to continue the strong tradition set down by the LB's before them. They will be younger at the corners but still have enough (3 starters) backfield returners to be solid again. Plus Ohio State has a good track record with developing DB's.

Ohio State wins all the games that they are supposed to and has has had trouble in the big games as of late. I expect that to change with USC coming to Columbus this year. One thing OSU does not do is lose to 1AA schools or lower level MAC schools. Michigan is the one who is trying to wipe the egg off it's face from the last two seasons. Michigan is the team that can go either way next season. While Ohio State is trying to get to the next (elite) level - Michigan is just trying to be respectable. Michigan has a lot longer to go to gain respect then Ohio State has to go to be elite.

the only problem with your philosophy pussy is that ohio state is changing nothing and heading the wrong direction. i can't say it enough, they're going the same path as michigan. i guaran-fucking-tee that the buckeyes will be irrelevant and losing to mediocre teams in a few years just like in years past, something a bandwagon fan like you loves to forget. they're not elite now, not in the future, not in my lifetime.

[Bossgobbler23]

Michigan has a lot longer to go to gain respect then Ohio State has to go to be elite.

Michigan will be elite faster than OSU will. You have a lousy reputation that is going to take YEARS to get back. OSU is the laughing stock of the nation. I hear time and again on Rivals Radio how releived everybody was that there would not be a Big Ten team in the NC game thanks to OSU's previous two disasters there, and showings in big OC games. You should win the USC game at home with them having to break in a new QB and you painting a picture of the invincibility of the 2009 team. What do you think OSU by 14 in toilet seat stadium? I mean SC is replacing half their team this year. Better have your prozak near by just in case USC doesn't buy your propaganda.:eek:

[1OSUNUT]

Michigan is a 3-9 team with questions everywhere. I think there is a lot to be said when you compare losing to elite teams in the national championship game or BCS bowl as opposed to App.State and Toledo at home. If you asked every single AD in the nation if you rather have the program OSU has right now or Michigan's - the results would sway heavy in OSU's favor. As for not changing anything - your stoned. The recruiting has been the best ever in the last few years. They are bringing in USC and SEC type WR's and QB's and have out recruited many elite teams for defensive players. The Buckeyes will have you shaking your heads again this year wondering how Tressel does it every year. Also expect an ass kicking in AA this year - again.

[Todd]

The recruiting has been the best ever in the last few years. They are bringing in USC and SEC type WR's and QB's and have out recruited many elite teams for defensive players. The Buckeyes will have you shaking your heads again this year wondering how Tressel does it every year.

You're right...we all are shaking our heads how Tress gets all of that talent you're talking about every year, yet still can't win a big game.

Ohio State is a laughing stock down in SEC land. Everyone I know understands that Michigan is down and expects them to be where they are. But, Ohio State has no excuse! How long are you going to put up with being humiliated with Tress. No excuse man!!! No excuse!

[BlueBallers]

Michigan is a 3-9 team with questions everywhere. I think there is a lot to be said when you compare losing to elite teams in the national championship game or BCS bowl as opposed to App.State and Toledo at home. If you asked every single AD in the nation if you rather have the program OSU has right now or Michigan's - the results would sway heavy in OSU's favor. As for not changing anything - your stoned. The recruiting has been the best ever in the last few years. They are bringing in USC and SEC type WR's and QB's and have out recruited many elite teams for defensive players. The Buckeyes will have you shaking your heads again this year wondering how Tressel does it every year. Also expect an ass kicking in AA this year - again.

Hartline, Sazenbacher, Posey. Those are SEC/USC type of WR's? USC takes guys like Fred Davis, who OSU slobbered over, brings them to USC and makes them TE's. Don't ever compare anyone other than Ginn or Holmes to a USC/SEC type WR

[1OSUNUT]

Stneburner, Thomas, Carter and Posey are all big wideouts that can really run and catch. You will find out soon enough.

[StevieBrownforHeisman]

Stneburner, Thomas, Carter and Posey are all big wideouts that can really run and catch. You will find out soon enough.

So why doesnt tressel put THEM at QB?

[bluefan]

So why doesnt tressel put THEM at QB?

Haaaaa! Well played.

[Mich Fan in Cbus]

So why doesnt tressel put THEM at QB?

now THAT"S Funny

[Bighouse]

If the nation thinks Ohio State is a joke - what has Michigan become ? Ohio State was co-champions of the Big Ten and went to a BCS bowl. In that bowl they took what many think to be the best team in the nation right down to the wire - and lost in the final seconds. Michigan on the other hand won 3 games all year and finish at or near the bottom in a so called bad Big Ten conference. Maybe you should rethink whos program is a joke right now. I don't want to hear what you think Michigan can do - it's what they have done.

The Wolverines are a 3-9 team - period. That is the fact.

But you lost the game....:D. We beat Florida a year earlier.....we will be back

[nc wolverine]

can some one tell me the last year that osu won a bowl game?

[1OSUNUT]

It was before the last time Oklahoma won one. Funny how you can talk when you did not even go to a bowl. There are like 30 bowl games and Michigan could not muster one - pathetic. Even Notre Dame went to a bowl.

[RealSchool]

It was before the last time Oklahoma won one. Funny how you can talk when you did not even go to a bowl. There are like 30 bowl games and Michigan could not muster one - pathetic. Even Notre Dame went to a bowl.

This is going to sting a little:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUaz5oEhUcw&feature=related
HA HA HA HE HE HE HO HO HO


For 99% of the Michigan fans on this site this was the first time in their life Michigan didn't make a bowl. So once again the point you were trying to make is dumb.

[1OSUNUT]

This year will be the second.

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

This year will be the second.

Put some money where your mouth is pussy.

[tpilews]

Put some money where your mouth is pussy.

+1.............

[bigboyBlue]

Put some money where your mouth is pussy.

And then stick it into Don's undies...

Edit: and inhale.

[amazinblue]

Nut and the other Buckeye faithful,

I have a question for you. Do you think Tressel is getting everything from his players / recruits that he can be?

I mean, the Bucks have been recruiting well. You've been all over how great these recruiting classes are - and have been. So, I guess I'm wondering why, despite this great talent - the great development - the great conditioning - the superior coaching - why, are you consistently getting smoked on the big stage? Help me understand ... it's very confusing to me.

Granted, Michigan had a terrible season - I know. But, we realized we weren't maximizing our talent - we weren't developing it to its maximum - and we had "gone a bit stale." So, we recruited well - but, failed to win games we should have won - and never maximized the talent. We went out, got a new head coach, and are instilling a contemporary offensive philosophy and leading-edge S&C as part of our program.

It sounds like OSU is where Michigan was a few seasons ago - I'm just wondering whether you realize it.

OR, perhaps you're one of those who's really been pleased and overwhelmed with OSU's play lately. Yes, winning the Big 10 - it's nice.... but, getting smoked on the big stage.. how many games now? Four, five, in a row... Man, help me understand...

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

+1.............

Haha love the dots for the minimum letter requirement.

[nc wolverine]

It was before the last time Oklahoma won one. Funny how you can talk when you did not even go to a bowl. There are like 30 bowl games and Michigan could not muster one - pathetic. Even Notre Dame went to a bowl.

ok douche bag..... at what point im my comment was i ragging on osu. It was a serious question. did i put those little smiley faces or anything that made u assume that was a cheap shot. But go you... u had to fire back with some random bullsh*t that u manage to pull off on every thread and every post. why dont u just try to read peoples posts and try to talk football, especially michigan football. No one asked you to be here, so that means u are here on your own accord, its a michigan site.

i am well aware we didnt make a bowl game, but thank you for reminding me. with out you letting me know i might have forgot. Its kinda funny how defensive you get over a simple question.... u must be worried about this season or something to get so defensive.
so get tressys tally whacker out of your mouth
and try to be nice

[tpilews]

Haha love the dots for the minimum letter requirement.

Thanks, I'd give you rep +1, but it won't let me. I need to spread the wealth (no obama pun intended)

[pryorthrowslikeagirl]

Thanks, I'd give you rep +1, but it won't let me. I need to spread the wealth (no obama pun intended)

Still not sure what the rep points are all about, besides having the number does it do anything?

[Buzz]

Nut and the other Buckeye faithful,

I have a question for you. Do you think Tressel is getting everything from his players / recruits that he can be?

I mean, the Bucks have been recruiting well. You've been all over how great these recruiting classes are - and have been. So, I guess I'm wondering why, despite this great talent - the great development - the great conditioning - the superior coaching - why, are you consistently getting smoked on the big stage? Help me understand ... it's very confusing to me.

Granted, Michigan had a terrible season - I know. But, we realized we weren't maximizing our talent - we weren't developing it to its maximum - and we had "gone a bit stale." So, we recruited well - but, failed to win games we should have won - and never maximized the talent. We went out, got a new head coach, and are instilling a contemporary offensive philosophy and leading-edge S&C as part of our program.

It sounds like OSU is where Michigan was a few seasons ago - I'm just wondering whether you realize it.

OR, perhaps you're one of those who's really been pleased and overwhelmed with OSU's play lately. Yes, winning the Big 10 - it's nice.... but, getting smoked on the big stage.. how many games now? Four, five, in a row... Man, help me understand...

amazinblue,

I've asked the bucknut fans this same questioin several times before....I don't know if I asked it as eloquently as you, but that is a great question. It doesn't look as if this is a question they're willing to answer.

Talent is not the problem with their program. I'd like to really know if the bucknut faithful really believe that their program is getting better, and if so...how.

[RealSchool]

Still not sure what the rep points are all about, besides having the number does it do anything?

The person that has the most rep points by June tpilews is buying them season tickets.

[tpilews]

Still not sure what the rep points are all about, besides having the number does it do anything?

Actually, I do believe there is some "penalty" for too much negative reputation. Editor is working out the details, so we should know soon. Positives, though, don't seem to do anything for you other than combat the negatives, obviously.

[Bighouse]

We can all answer this question now I think.

[AbRKnight]

We can all answer this question now I think.

Um...wow, I remember how bad I wanted TP to come to Michigan but now I am so thankful that he didn't. Tate Forcier is the man and like he said it's almost like he was born for this job.

[1OSUNUT]

I think TP is the better player - overall. I think he has skills that really scare opposing coaches. Tate is very solid. He throws a better ball then TP - but he is not as good of a overall runner. He is easy to tackle and still looks a bit fragile. I'm still afraid that he is going to get hurt if someone gets a clean shot on him.

I think what makes Tate look better right now is that RR is putting plays in that fit Tate's skill set at this stage. Tressel is not putting TP in a positive position to suceed. When TP rolls out - everything breaks down. We just don't do it enough. TP looks confused by some of the plays still. Tate is playing very good and he fits the system RR runs. I still think the upside of TP still out weighs that of Tate. But that could change if Tressel and his bone headed staff don't start using TP the correct way.

[Inflames]

This is just my take on it not trying to beat up on TP but...I think its more than the plays they are giving TP. He doesnt throw well and seems to panic under pressure. He makes bad choices on the field when it counts the most. When I say pressure I dont just mean the other teams D. TP seems to have trouble handling the pressure of certain game situations as well. Tate on the other hand seems like nothing rattles him. Those arent all plays by design Tate makes a lot happen with his feet and his head. Tates got moxy and it shows in his game.

I said it before and I will say it again, I am so glad TP chose osu.

JMO.

[GoBlue21]

I think TP is the better player - overall. I think he has skills that really scare opposing coaches. Tate is very solid. He throws a better ball then TP - but he is not as good of a overall runner. He is easy to tackle and still looks a bit fragile. I'm still afraid that he is going to get hurt if someone gets a clean shot on him.

I think what makes Tate look better right now is that RR is putting plays in that fit Tate's skill set at this stage. Tressel is not putting TP in a positive position to suceed. When TP rolls out - everything breaks down. We just don't do it enough. TP looks confused by some of the plays still. Tate is playing very good and he fits the system RR runs. I still think the upside of TP still out weighs that of Tate. But that could change if Tressel and his bone headed staff don't start using TP the correct way.

I think when Pryor gets pressured, he does panic and doesn't look down the field. He's a 'run first' QB when everything breaks down unlike Forcier. Forcier is always looking down field when he gets flushed, Pryor just tucks the ball and goes. TP is a great athlete, big, fast, etc, but I just don't think he has the QB 'mind' yet. What I mean is, he gets rattled to easy. Then he yells at his teammates (Posey for sure) and looked like his coaches (when they were on the goalline and he didn't like the playcall). He's a hot-head and the QB position is not geared for hot-heads. Guys like 'Cryin' Leaf were hot-heads and looked how he turned out. The QB has to stay composed, he's the 'leader' of the offense. The entire offense is relies on him, if he loses control, so does the offense!

tUOS played a great game, my hat goes off to them. They just came up a little short!

[Bo Rather]

I think when Pryor gets pressured, he does panic and doesn't look down the field. He's a 'run first' QB when everything breaks down unlike Forcier. Forcier is always looking down field when he gets flushed, Pryor just tucks the ball and goes.

I think that's it exactly. The Forcier family moved from Michigan to California because the quarterback training was better - so said dad Forcier. He has the mechanics and intangibles at a young age because he's been trained nearly his whole life to be a QB. Pryor comes from western PA, home of so many great NFL QBs, but I don't think he was as well schooled as Tate. If he had been, he'd been unfreakinbelievable.

[byebyelloyd]

I think TP is the better player - overall. I think he has skills that really scare opposing coaches. Tate is very solid. He throws a better ball then TP - but he is not as good of a overall runner. He is easy to tackle and still looks a bit fragile. I'm still afraid that he is going to get hurt if someone gets a clean shot on him.

I think what makes Tate look better right now is that RR is putting plays in that fit Tate's skill set at this stage. Tressel is not putting TP in a positive position to suceed. When TP rolls out - everything breaks down. We just don't do it enough. TP looks confused by some of the plays still. Tate is playing very good and he fits the system RR runs. I still think the upside of TP still out weighs that of Tate. But that could change if Tressel and his bone headed staff don't start using TP the correct way.

thats funny, completely bullshit and obvious for everyone to see, but funny none the less. thanks for the laugh pussy.

[Swoosh]

Just wait until next year after Barwis has tate a year. Tate never lifted until he got to MI.

I expect to see Denard in the next few game, he's got talent watch out for him also.