Michigan vs Purdue - ESPN 9pm

[Bleed Blue]

Big game tonight, the showing in this one could make or break out trouney dreams. I sure hope we show up with our A game for this one, this would be a tremendous boost for the program.

I hope Manny is fired up and ready to win after setting the pine in OT...as a competitor I would hope he punishes Purdue in his anger.

[Bighouse]

We need a win!!

[bigboyBlue]

Hanging in there so far. BS call on Harris!

[Bighouse]

They can't blow this

[Cincy Wolverine]

WOOHOO! We need this!

[chriswebber]

Will look good for the NIT tourny app :p

[Wolvrin704]

Will look good for the NIT tourny app :p

And where will your favorite school be? Are you man enough to even admit which school it is that you really are a fan of?

[chriswebber]

And where will your favorite school be? Are you man enough to even admit which school it is that you really are a fan of?

This board is a Michigan board, we don't talk about other schools. I'm talking Michigan Basketball is a traditional NIT powerhouse. I'm sure the NCAA doesn't want them.

[bigboyBlue]

81% shooting in the 2nd????? Now that doesn't happen everyday, nice :). Now if only they can pull out one win on the road in the next two games...

[amazinblue]

Will look good for the NIT tourny app :p

CWebb,

You're full of class... or maybe it's something else you're full of...

[Shane Falco]

Great game by the blue last night. Sims and Harris were unstopable. This is a game they needed bad and got it. Purdue, UCLA & Duke wins will look real good on their resume come selection time.
Work is not done yet by any means tho. I feel they must split the next 2 road games and win at least 1 Big Ten tournament game maybe 2.
It is amazing how good this team can look at times and amazing how bad they look at times.

[bigboyBlue]

It is amazing how good this team can look at times and amazing how bad they look at times.

Wildly inconsistent is right. Basically it comes down to a team with one glaring drawback (big guy), with average (walkons/lowly ranked) or raw (frosh) talent needing to play at the top of their game for this team to adequately supplement its two stars. They just cannot take a night off, which will happen.

[Wolvrin704]

This board is a Michigan board, we don't talk about other schools. I'm talking Michigan Basketball is a traditional NIT powerhouse. I'm sure the NCAA doesn't want them.

You are so full of it because you don't want everyone to know what school you really cheer for. :rolleyes:

We do a whole lot of talking about other schools on here, especially OSU.

[bigboyBlue]

You are so full of it because you don't want everyone to know what school you really cheer for. :rolleyes:

We do a whole lot of talking about other schools on here, especially OSU.

Dude let him be, prolly ashamed of his schooling.

[Wolvrin704]

Dude let him be, prolly ashamed of his schooling.

True he probably is. But its just asinine to always crack on someone's school when you won't admit what school you went to or are a fan of.

[amazinblue]

I'm glad that we won last night. I do think that the result might have been different if Purdue had its big man that was out because of the flu (or whatever it was).

A win is a win. We need to hold onto this momentum - and win the next two. One game at a time... Wiscy's going to be tough - at playing at Minny will be tough as well.

Win both - we're 10-8 in the conference, and 20-11 with some solid wins.

[GoGreen23]

I'm glad that we won last night. I do think that the result might have been different if Purdue had its big man that was out because of the flu (or whatever it was).

A win is a win. We need to hold onto this momentum - and win the next two. One game at a time... Wiscy's going to be tough - at playing at Minny will be tough as well.

Win both - we're 10-8 in the conference, and 20-11 with some solid wins.

Personally, I think Michigan needs to win those last two games in order to get into the tourney, or at least guarantee a spot. I just think splitting and ending 9-9 in conference won't be good enough because there are still a lot of teams ahead of UM in the conference standings. I think with a split Michigan will still be on the bubble.

Thanks for beating Purdue yesterday though! Two of my friends were there and said the place was going nuts. Now State has a 2 game lead in the Big Ten Standings and only needs to beat Illinois to win the title. (And not lose all our remaining games.)

[rickyleach]

Webbermonkey, not true at all ,espn and other bball guys say michigan needs one more win to be one of those bubble team picks and your team ohio state will also get in

[chriswebber]

Webbermonkey, not true at all ,espn and other bball guys say michigan needs one more win to be one of those bubble team picks and your team ohio state will also get in

Yeah, whatever.... They got beat by IOWA.... The Big Ten tournie will be one and done. Don't believe the hype. Michigan doesn't deserve it.

[The Michigan Man]

Yeah, whatever.... They got beat by IOWA.... The Big Ten tournie will be one and done. Don't believe the hype. Michigan doesn't deserve it.

Do you even follow basketball? Iowa is now 12-3 at home - not exactly an easy win. Welcome to the website, we really needed another lazy troll who doesn't know what he's talking about.

[chriswebber]

Do you even follow basketball? Iowa is now 12-3 at home - not exactly an easy win. Welcome to the website, we really needed another lazy troll who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Let's see here, lost to OSU twice, IOWA, anyone else? They have to win the Big Ten tournie to get into the NCAA. I really doubt that can happen. Sad thing , Michigan basketball has decided that a successful season is based upon whether they make the NCAA tournie or not. I remember the 1990's late 1980's when Michgan was a power house, well... power house, banking house, payment house, etc...

[Wolvrin704]

Maybe we're in, maybe we're not. But at least we're in the conversation now. Hasn't happened too often over the past decade.

BTW, the latest Bracketology where UM is cast as an 11 seed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

Still waiting to see cwebb grow a pair and admit which school it is he roots for.

MSU?
ND?
OSU?
YSU?
BG?
WMU?
EMU?
CMU?
Sisters of St Francis?

[rickyleach]

You can say what you want jackasss about michigan s basketball, but outside of indy and bobby night , and a few years of michigan state , michigan basketball was one of the teams to carry big10 bball over the last33 years, sure cant say that for your school ohio state, how many times in that span has michigan been to the finals 4, how about michigan state 3 and how about indiana 3 and then how about your buckeyes 1 , so dont tell me about how bad their program is , and just like everything else with michigan it gets better and better, ,your just pissed off because you went to a loooser school, criswebber the next fooo on the hail/victors site,

[chriswebber]

You guys are all concerned about what I say. Anyways, Michigan hasn't been to the tournie in 15 years? (I think they forfeited a lot for being dirty)

[bigboyBlue]

You guys are all concerned about what I say. Anyways, Michigan hasn't been to the tournie in 15 years? (I think they forfeited a lot for being dirty)

Concerned? Please don't flatter yourself, entertained (amused?) is more like it. While the show is on, pray tell us more about what you think of Michigan's chances of making the 'tournie'.

[GoGreen23]

Concerned? Please don't flatter yourself, entertained (amused?) is more like it. While the show is on, pray tell us more about what you think of Michigan's chances of making the 'tournie'.

I'm always amused by what Michigan Basketball does. I've already given my opinion on what I think UM needs to do to makes the NCAA tourney. I did see ESPN's bracket and I thought 11 was a little high. There's no denying UM had a good year, but I see them as more of a 14-15 seed if they do make it. Next week's performance will determine their fate.

I do find it amusing that Dantonio wants to emulate the UM powerhouse while Belien wants to emulate the Izzo brand of basketball. Anyone else feel the symmetry?

[The Michigan Man]

You guys are all concerned about what I say. Anyways, Michigan hasn't been to the tournie in 15 years? (I think they forfeited a lot for being dirty)

The only thing worse than a troll is a lazy troll. Michigan was in the tourney in 1998. Subract 1998 from 2009 - does that equal 15?

Now I call into question everything that you say, since you can't even nail down simple things. Wave goodbye to your credibility, troll...

[Wolvrin704]

I do find it amusing that Dantonio wants to emulate the UM powerhouse while Belien wants to emulate the Izzo brand of basketball. Anyone else feel the symmetry?

I would quite agree with that. Both schools tend to feed off the sucess of each others respective "better" sport.

[amazinblue]

... I did see ESPN's bracket and I thought 11 was a little high. There's no denying UM had a good year, but I see them as more of a 14-15 seed if they do make it. Next week's performance will determine their fate.

I do find it amusing that Dantonio wants to emulate the UM powerhouse while Belien wants to emulate the Izzo brand of basketball. Anyone else feel the symmetry?

GG23,

To be fair, I don't think you're giving Michigan enough credit for what they've done on the court this season - by saying they'd be a 14-15 seed. I don't think they are a lock for the tourney - but, those lower seeds tend to be the automatic berths from smaller / minor conferences. So, maybe a 12 or 13, but they won't be a 14-15 IF they get in.

I agree that what Michigan does over the next two weeks will make the difference - if they win the last two (Wisconsin and Minnesota) I think the odds are very good that they'll get a bid. If they don't, they'll have to go "far" in the Big 10 tourney.

Regarding the symmetry - it is a good point. The rivalry between the schools is very strong. I think that both programs want to get a leg up on the other - particularly in major revenue generating sports - which means football and basketball.

I do believe that both teams in both sports pursue a balance of power, strength, and speed. Izzo's been the "big dog" in the Big 10 for a while. And Bielein is trying to bring that philosophy to Michigan hoops. IMO, Michgan's still a few players away from that, and probably two seasons away from competing for the conference title with regularity. The same thing could be said for RR and the football program, though I believe 2010 could be the breakout season for both teams (football and basketball).

[GoGreen23]

GG23,

To be fair, I don't think you're giving Michigan enough credit for what they've done on the court this season - by saying they'd be a 14-15 seed. I don't think they are a lock for the tourney - but, those lower seeds tend to be the automatic berths from smaller / minor conferences. So, maybe a 12 or 13, but they won't be a 14-15 IF they get in.

I agree that what Michigan does over the next two weeks will make the difference - if they win the last two (Wisconsin and Minnesota) I think the odds are very good that they'll get a bid. If they don't, they'll have to go "far" in the Big 10 tourney.

Regarding the symmetry - it is a good point. The rivalry between the schools is very strong. I think that both programs want to get a leg up on the other - particularly in major revenue generating sports - which means football and basketball.

I do believe that both teams in both sports pursue a balance of power, strength, and speed. Izzo's been the "big dog" in the Big 10 for a while. And Bielein is trying to bring that philosophy to Michigan hoops. IMO, Michgan's still a few players away from that, and probably two seasons away from competing for the conference title with regularity. The same thing could be said for RR and the football program, though I believe 2010 could be the breakout season for both teams (football and basketball).

I can agree with that analysis amazinblue. I also agree with you Wolvrin. I don't really have anything else to add...

[amazinblue]

GG23,

What's impressive, IMO, about Izzo and the Spartans is that they can play a physical inside game, and play an uptempo game. That flexibility is what makes them tough. There are a number of teams that can play uptempo, but not that many that can really go "physical".

I like ACC hoops - but, I think those are really "uptempo" programs - who have difficultly in the paint against a tough, physical opponent - and one that has decent coverage on the perimeter to prevent wide open threes.

The top of the Big East, IMO, is the toughest group in the country.

Izzo's impressive and deserves credit for what he's built. When was the last hoops season that you didn't give Sparty a shot at the Big 10 title? It's been a very long time.

[chriswebber]

The only thing worse than a troll is a lazy troll. Michigan was in the tourney in 1998. Subract 1998 from 2009 - does that equal 15?

Now I call into question everything that you say, since you can't even nail down simple things. Wave goodbye to your credibility, troll...

1. Well, I'm having trouble deciding if the 1998 was forfeited due to cheating? If so, the last 'uncheating' showing was early 90's?

2. Here is Michigan's NCAA History.


Michigan State - 2008
Western Michigan - 2004
Central Michigan - 2003
Detroit Mercy - 2001
Eastern Michigan - 1998
Michigan - 1998*

*If not forfeited

I'm sorry if I read the sanctions wrong on the cheatings of UM basketball. But I guess you can come to these conclusions.

In the past 10 years, UM and EMU basketball are tied for the worse D1 program in the state in NCAA showings.

In the past 20 years, the only way UM Basketball won was by cheating.

The above facts are indisputable.

Sorry

[Wolvrin704]

1. Well, I'm having trouble deciding if the 1998 was forfeited due to cheating? If so, the last 'uncheating' showing was early 90's?

2. Here is Michigan's NCAA History.


Michigan State - 2008
Western Michigan - 2004
Central Michigan - 2003
Detroit Mercy - 2001
Eastern Michigan - 1998
Michigan - 1998*

*If not forfeited

I'm sorry if I read the sanctions wrong on the cheatings of UM basketball. But I guess you can come to these conclusions.

In the past 10 years, UM and EMU basketball are tied for the worse D1 program in the state in NCAA showings.

In the past 20 years, the only way UM Basketball won was by cheating.

The above facts are indisputable.

Sorry


I don't recall the 1989 NCAA championship being forfeited due to cheating.

But everything from 1992-1999 was forfeited.
Only OSU fans make statements without looking up facts to back them up.

[chriswebber]

I don't recall the 1989 NCAA championship being forfeited due to cheating.

But everything from 1992-1999 was forfeited.
Only OSU fans make statements without looking up facts to back them up.

Ok.. so for the past 16 years, Michigan could only make the NCAA by cheating. Still, this is not a stat I would be proud of.:eek: We all know Detroit Mercy is a D1 powerhouse!

[rickyleach]

great to see the buckeyes follow their football program yesterday and get their asssseeess handed to them by purdue, 75 -50 , was tressel coaching the basketball team, I LOVED IT...

[Wolvrin704]

Ok.. so for the past 16 years, Michigan could only make the NCAA by cheating. Still, this is not a stat I would be proud of.:eek: We all know Detroit Mercy is a D1 powerhouse!

Oh has Detroit Mercy won an NCAA title while no one was looking?

Who says the past 16 years in bball is something we as UM fans are proud of? We are not, as it was a black eye on the university. But they have managed to turn it around and yet the haters still want to detract from it.

[chriswebber]

Oh has Detroit Mercy won an NCAA title while no one was looking?

Who says the past 16 years in bball is something we as UM fans are proud of? We are not, as it was a black eye on the university. But they have managed to turn it around and yet the haters still want to detract from it.

How many times did UM beat Oakland in those years? How many times did UM take the place of another NCAA team in the final tournament? UM was cheating. UM knew about it. UM approved of it. UM stole from the NCAA Basketball as a whole. During college, if I was getting $100k tax free a year, someone would notice. I doubt the Fab Five invested in stocks. What were they driving? Didn't anyone notice? Didn't the professors notice? Didn't the students notice? Didn't any of the coaches of any sport notice? Where was the athletic director?
It seems like a victimless action and UM did forfeit, but for each of those forfeits there was a losing team. Did the losing team getting anything from Michigan's forfeit? Did they celebrate after Michigan forfeited all those games? Did Michigan ever apologize? Did they write each of the opponents they played apologizing about cheating? No, Michigan couldn't even self impose sanctions enough to satisfy the NCAA. These acts are typical of arrogance, an arrogance I hope is gone, but the history of the program makes me wonder.
The 1989 tournament was a big deal in Michigan Basketball history, but were they paid? The coach of the NCAA Tournament team was Steve Fisher, the same guy that was fired for the paying scheme. Is there something that's being hidden? When did the pay to play start?
The fact that a few arrogant and ignorant people wrecked the program for a lifetime is horrible. The fact that Michigan fans still refer to the 'Fab Five' as a great combo is retarded. No one can argue that 'Michigan Men' were involved. Chris Webber lied to a grand jury, is that a Michigan Man thing to do? Lie to law enforcement?
Now, we're suppose to celebrate Michigan's return to glory. Yet, it's not like a Marshall football story. This is not a George Mason NCAA scenario. The only reason the Michigan came from down and out was Michigan cheated outright. Michigan broke the rules. I'm tired of hearing the EPSN guys drool over a sub-par basketball team with a horrible past. Shouldn't you be ashamed? No you're true blue, over looking the past. Michigan can overcome what Michigan knowlingly did. I don't see a change in the program or the attitude of most the fans. If there was, the fab five, would have a different meaning, Crisler would have set empty of men's basketball for a few years, and there would be a lot of apologies hand written by Michigan sent to all the smalls schools who were cheated out of a win.

[rickyleach]

chris get over yourself you moron, nobody is disputing that the fab 5 messed up and webber was responsible ,but the other 4 guys didnt do anything wrong RETARD. MY GOD IF I COULD REACH THRU THIS MONITOR ID CHOKE YOU MYSELF

[chriswebber]

chris get over yourself you moron, nobody is disputing that the fab 5 messed up and webber was responsible ,but the other 4 guys didnt do anything wrong RETARD. MY GOD IF I COULD REACH THRU THIS MONITOR ID CHOKE YOU MYSELF

Actually, read up on it. Several players took cash and were punished. Mateem Cleaves didn't go to Michigan because he knew it was dirty. The scandal is deeper then you think. Calm down, I speak the truth so you will choke me?:rolleyes:

[Wolvrin704]

Actually, read up on it. Several players took cash and were punished. Mateem Cleaves didn't go to Michigan because he knew it was dirty. The scandal is deeper then you think. Calm down, I speak the truth so you will choke me?:rolleyes:

Yes they outright broke the rules and the admins turned a blind eye to it, thats why they're all gone. The university has paid a tremndous price for what happened, you can't deny that. You don't see UM at all giving the Fab Five any due for what they did do you? In fact they have largely been ostracized by the university and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

As for Fisher, yes he turned a blind eye just a few years later. But he was an interim coach during the championship run and was fighting for a job. The players were already there, its not like it paid off right away as the next 2 years before the Fab 5 UM didn't do so well.

[amazinblue]

The 1989 tournament was a big deal in Michigan Basketball history, but were they paid? The coach of the NCAA Tournament team was Steve Fisher, the same guy that was fired for the paying scheme. Is there something that's being hidden?.

CWebb,

You ask a question about the 1989 tournament team - and infer that they received some type of benefit - I believe the NCAA has with absolute certainly said "no" - to what you infer. I believe that an NCAA championship banner still hands in Crisler Arena for the feat of that 1989 team, and was their achievement not celebrated earlier this year? Perhaps as you were following all the activities of every school in Michigan, you overlooked that reunion.

You also state that Michigan fans still laud and refer to the Fab 5 as a "stellar moment" in our athletic history. I wish you would let me know who some of those fans are. You, as anyone, are entitled to your opnion. Personally, I was disgusted to hear of the actions of a particular booster and player - and, if you don't think that Michigan's paid the price for that incident, I don't know what you're looking for - a pound of flesh perhaps.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion - and I'm always open to hear from someone who provides an intelligent perspective that's different from my own. When I read your posts - you hit on one of those two things - your opinion's certainly different - but, it's definitely not intelligent.