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GoDeepHammer
12-03-2008, 09:59 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081203/news_1s3p-boyce.html

Scripps Ranch High quarterback Robert “Tate” Forcier remembers that last year's Division II quarterfinal matchup against Oceanside was a physical affair. Well, he sort of remembers.

Dropping back for a Hail Mary pass on the last play of the first half, Forcier took a hit and wasn't the same after the break. He eventually left the game with a Grade 3 concussion – the most severe.

“It wasn't so much the hit, but all of (the lineman's) weight landed on my head,” said Forcier, recalling the play from watching video. “In the second half, I was playing in slow motion.”

Oceanside played the second half on fast forward, turning a 14-14 tie into a 42-14 romp en route to the Pirates' fourth straight San Diego Section title.
“He played another quarter, but he never recovered from the hit,” Scripps Ranch coach Sergio Diaz said.

In one of the postseason's top high school football matchups, the irresistible Forcier meets the immovable object when the visiting Falcons (8-3) take on the top-seeded Pirates (10-0-1) at 7 p.m. Friday, this time in the semifinals.

Forcier, a 6-foot-2, 190-pound senior who will play his college ball at the University of Michigan, has been the irresistible force this season. The Falcons are averaging 39.2 points per game behind Forcier, who has completed 195-of-298 attempts for a county-best 3,331 yards, with 23 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

If that's not enough, Forcier is the Falcons' second-leading rusher with 771 yards, a 10.1-yard-per-carry average and another 11 touchdowns. He's averaging 389 yards per game through the air and on the ground for a Scripps Ranch team trying to reach its first football championship game.

The immovable object in this case is the Oceanside defense, which has held five opponents to single-digit scoring this season, including a shutout of Lincoln in the quarterfinals. The Pirates have given up just 14.1 points per game. So how do the Pirates stop the Falcons and the dual-threat Forcier?

“When you play against an athlete like Forcier, it takes experience,” said Pirates coach John Carroll, whose team will be in the semifinals for the 15th straight season. “You're not going to get that experience from the week before in practice, so I would hope we can get it early in the game. It'll take us a quarter to get used to the scheme and the pace and the routes they're running.

“You can design a defense to spy on a quarterback, but you still have to make a play. We'll have a variety of different schemes for them.”

Teaming with Forcier is junior running back Brennan Clay, who has 1,386 yards rushing and 1,010 yards receiving this season. The best way for the Pirates to stop Forcier and the Falcons will be to play keep-away.

“Those teams that have controlled the clock have had the best success against us,” Diaz said. “When a team goes on a 14-play drive like Cathedral did against us, your offense can never really get in a rhythm if it can't get on the field.”

And the Pirates certainly have the weapons to do that, starting with their own senior quarterback, Jordan Wynn, who recently changed his commitment from Colorado to Utah. While Wynn isn't a running threat like Forcier, the Pirates QB has completed 152-of-237 for 2,797 yards, with 28 touchdowns and seven interceptions. The Pirates have averaged 45.6 points per game this season.

Oceanside has a lot of other weapons, with six players having rushed for 125 or more yards, led by Rene Siluano's 525 yards and eight touchdowns. Speedy sophomore Demario Coleman is Wynn's favorite target with 46 catches for 1,037 yards and 11 TDs.

“I told the kids if we take 10 plays to score every time, we'd win, but the No. 1 priority is to score,” Carroll said. “Having an eight-minute drive and not scoring won't help us.”

The defenses will have their hands full. The matchup has the makings of a shootout, if Forcier can stay upright this time.

“I didn't feel like I got my full shot against them last year,” Forcier said, “so I'm looking forward to doing it on Friday.”

StevieBrownforHeisman
12-04-2008, 02:05 PM
Tate is a yardage machine. can't wait to see what rich rod will do with him...

elno lewis
12-05-2008, 11:15 AM
HOpe somebody can watch and/or report on this game.

tpilews
12-06-2008, 09:24 AM
HOpe somebody can watch and/or report on this game.

Ask and you shall receive....



By Michigan Gator from mgoblog....

I just got back from watching Tate Forcier's high school playoff game against Oceanside High School tonight in California. It was truly one of the strangest football games I have ever seen. The game was delayed for about 1 1/2 hours because the local power grid went down and every light in the stadium went off right before Tate was ready to snap the ball. They only got half of the lights to work (later all of the lights eventually came back on), so they were only using one end of the field (where the lights were on) and both teams kept using the same side of field, swapping after each change of possession. A few observations:

- Tate throws a great ball. Unfortunately, his offensive line was horrible and never gave him any time to sit in the pocket and throw a deep ball. It would have been nice to see him attempt some down field stuff, but it was not to be. All of his passes looked sharp and accurate though. He also has a really quick release.

- He is a hell of a scrambler, but doesn't seem to have a lot of speed. He is much more nimble than Threet, but doesn't possess another gear to outrun his pursuers. He was able to escape a lot of tackles behind of the line of scrimmage, but he holds onto the ball a lot longer than he should and sometimes gets himself into trouble. I'm sure this will easily be fixed by coaching at the next level.

- Tate does not seem to be much of a leader on his team. During the warm-up drills before the game, every single player on his team was participating in the drills besides him. Tate was just off on the sideline by himself screwing around with the managers and cheerleaders. He also didn't appear to be very vocal. I guess I expect the stud of the team, especially the QB, to be the leader of every drill, to be the first one out of the locker room and onto the field after halftime, etc. and Tate just wasn't that guy. He was extremely fired up when he scored (he ran for two touchdowns), but just doesn't seem like a great leader at this point.

- His team worked out of a shotgun formation virtually every play. Much like our system, Tate would operate from a no huddle, get his line set, look over to the sidelines to get his play, and then take it from there. His team only scored 14 points, but he was able to move the ball up and down the field against probably the best defensive team in all of San Diego.

- Tate was also playing CB, which I hated to see but I understood that his team is trying to win a state title. Forcier was less than good at CB... as a matter of fact, I would say that he was terrible. Thankfully, tonight will be the last night he will ever line up on the defensive side of the ball.

- An additional note, his running back is Brennan Clay who is a junior with an offer from us (I think he's a verbal commit). Clay looked pretty good. He doesn't possess breakaway speed, but he's a hard runner with good hands. I definitely don't see him as a slot guy. He looks to be more in the mold of a Minor. He's young though so time will tell. I was impressed by him though.

- One final note worth mentioning, Forcier is super thin. Barwis will definitely need to work some magic on him to get him to fill out because the kid looks rail skinny.

That's all. I don't have the stats from the game, but Oceanside handled Forcier's team big time in the 2nd half. Although I like the way he throws the ball, I am hoping that Beaver is little more athletic even if he doesn't throw as nice as a ball as Forcier.


Doesn't sound quite as encouraging, but give him a better oline to stand behind and let him deliver the ball all over the field. Also, the qb doesn't have to be Pat White fast to be effective in this offense. It doesn't hurt, but I think he is fast enough to pick up some first downs with his legs. Certainly, he's faster than what we had this past year. So, he is definitely a huge upgrade. If Beaver can get healthy and participate in Spring Ball, this could turn into an interesting qb race.

tpilews
12-06-2008, 09:33 AM
I'd just like to comment about the leadership topic. There are two types of leaders: vocal leaders, and guys who lead by example. Despite Tate's lack of vocal leadership, I hope he takes on the latter. Those types of players are the ones you have to watch out for. They are playmakers.

BBA1994
12-06-2008, 09:38 AM
I would also say he's in a bit of a unique situation at that school. He is actually home schooled but plays football for this, his local, school. So by not being in class throughout the day with his teammates it might be a little more difficult for him to be the team leader.

Mich Fan in Cbus
12-06-2008, 10:06 AM
I would also say he's in a bit of a unique situation at that school. He is actually home schooled but plays football for this, his local, school. So by not being in class throughout the day with his teammates it might be a little more difficult for him to be the team leader.

So was Tim Tebow, and look how that turned out..

GoDeepHammer
12-06-2008, 10:58 AM
So was Tim Tebow, and look how that turned out..

Good call, I hope that Forcier has that type of potential.

BBA1994
12-06-2008, 10:59 AM
So was Tim Tebow, and look how that turned out..

I'm not sure what you're implying. My point is that he might be a better leader at UM. It's hard for him to be a leader for his high school team since he doesn't actually go to school there. At UM, he'll be with his teammates constantly so I look for it to be easier to take the lead.

LAMfan
12-06-2008, 12:12 PM
I would also say he's in a bit of a unique situation at that school. He is actually home schooled but plays football for this, his local, school. So by not being in class throughout the day with his teammates it might be a little more difficult for him to be the team leader.

I hope the home schooling doesn't make for a tough transition. He'll be far from home, in a big University, and on the big stage of M football. I'm not saying he won't get it all right, but there could be some adjustment issues in the first year, and we all know we need help at QB right away.

elno lewis
12-06-2008, 12:23 PM
I think Tate will learn that players at UM are a little more serious aout football than his high school teammates.

He'll either mature, or Ryan Mallet on us. The way his old man is in his business all the time, I am betting he matures and fast. Gonna have abig spotlight on him. Better getused to it.