Chicken Hawks????

[RealSchool]

This is your chance to brag about your military experience and how you have fought against the enemy.

With all the pro-war posts on this site, I can't wait to hear about some of the ways that Chrisweber, Mike Furley, amazinblue and others have stood up and defeted the enemy.

The way you have all found the time to post 700 times and defeat the enemy needs to be heard by everyone.

I salute you!!!

[amazinblue]

RealSchool,

Though I have never served in the active military, I have been involved in creating technology (computer systems) that support number branches of the US Military. Specifically, I have been involved with systems to support the Army - the Apache's (and other helicopter aircraft) systems for threat identification, systems to support the Air Force's communication environment, and a system used to confirm location / identification of assets in battlefields.

I am not a "war monger" - or proponent of war. I have friends and colleagues that have been, and are, serving today. I believe that war is a last resort. And, though - (if you've read my posts you'd understand this) - I am not an advocate of the decisions made by the civilian leadership in the DoD over the last eight years, I do support those serving in the military. I ask you to identify where I have said I "advocate" and "supported" the decision making process used by the Bush 43 administration in reaching their decisions.

Personally, I think we should find UBL and bring him to justice. Perhaps you disagree with me - that, of course, is your right. So, if you believe that I'm a "war monger" because I wish to bring a man to justice who killed over 2,000 Americans on 9/11 with his actions - that is your prerogative.

[RealSchool]

Find a post where I ever said going to war against Bin Laden was a mistake. Iraq however, well you will find plently of those.

I wonder if Mike Furley watching Saving Private Ryan 30 times counts as service?

[RealSchool]

I hope this link http://www.ehow.com/how_2124800_deal-guilt.html?ref=fuel&utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=ssp&utm_campaign=yssp_art

helps with the shame and guilt chriswebber and furley must feel. Guilt guys is an expected and understood part of being a chicken hawk, just don't let it run your life.

[Mike Furley]

Real School,

If you feel going into Afghanistan wasn't a mistake, then why aren't you over there right now? By your rationale, you must be a chicken hawk. You are willing to send your neighbor's kid over to Afhanistan but aren't willing yourself to go.


Real School = Sophist.

[RealSchool]

Real School,

If you feel going into Afghanistan wasn't a mistake, then why aren't you over there right now? By your rationale, you must be a chicken hawk. You are willing to send your neighbor's kid over to Afhanistan but aren't willing yourself to go.


Real School = Sophist.

Yeah you are right, maybe I am a pussy just like you. At least I can admit it.

[Mike Furley]

Yeah you are right, maybe I am a pussy just like you. At least I can admit it.

Having an opinion on the use of force by one's nation, regardless of which side you fall on does not make one a pussy. Using tortured logic to disparage those who disagree with you, by calling them names does however move you into that realm.

[RealSchool]

Still waiting.

[chriswebber]

I haven't served in the military. I am registered for the draft if there is one. If I am drafted, I would immediately serve. I have no problem protecting our country worldwide. I haven't been called upon. What's the problem with my position? I'm following the rules.

[The Michigan Man]

This is your chance to brag about your military experience and how you have fought against the enemy.

With all the pro-war posts on this site, I can't wait to hear about some of the ways that Chrisweber, Mike Furley, amazinblue and others have stood up and defeted the enemy.

The way you have all found the time to post 700 times and defeat the enemy needs to be heard by everyone.

I salute you!!!

I'm guessing that you wouldn't know the business end of an M-16 from your a**hole...

There is no way you served this country in any military capacity. I'll bet you are hiding out, working on some liberal indoctrinating college campus or other haven for misfits, free from standards or accountability, filling your nights with large doses of Michael Moore, Bill Maher, the ACLU, moveon.org, ACORN, and Air America (oops, the latter was so compelling that it has been sh*t canned for lack of interest)

In case you missed it, we have an all volunteer military, and furthermore, we have a military that protects our 1st Amendment rights. The abilility to voice one's opinion, about military campaigns or otherwise, is not contingent upon military service.

Your persistent use of the workd "chickenhawk" is disgraceful, and any military vet of substance turns his back on such nonsense.

[RealSchool]

The word chicken hawk was made famous again for Dicky C, Rush, and Bush using his family influence to avoid Vietnam. One of your idols and criminal Olly North loves the term chickenhawk.

[RealSchool]

MM, I understand why you don't like the term chickenhawk when the people below are your idols.




Prominent Republicans
Representative Patrick McHenry, R-NC - did not serve. Saw fit to endanger American troops' lives after a visit to Iraq by violating operational security and helping militias target their mortar attacks on the Green Zone.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve.
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.


House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve.
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO - did not serve.
House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL - did not serve.
House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI - did not serve.
National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK - did not serve.


Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - did not serve.
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.
Former Senator Fred Thompson - did not serve.
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so in 2000? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.

Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)

GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)


Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
Congressman

[Wolvrin704]

Realschool I don't think its a bad sign of the Republican Party about not serving as it is about politicians as a whole. I dare say if you look at the leadership of this country on both sides of the aisle you will see that very few have served like they used to. That and there hasn't been the large full scale wars like WWI and WWII when the vast majority of the male population served under arms creating a vast pool of veterans. Heck, we've had 3 presidents in a row now who haven't been in war, but at least Bush did serve in the military even if it was stateside, not excusing him using his connections.

In the last election the Republican candidate did serve and gave up allot for his country in doing so. Yet he lost the election, so I see this as being far and far less important to the country when electing leaders for the future and I daresay that in the near future it won't even enter the discussion much because we'll be hard pressed to find candidates with wartime experience (at least until the Iraqi vets start running).

Though I must say its funny you had to reach so far to find so many Republicans without wartime experience, many of which you listed haven't been a player in politics for many years. Don't have to go nearly that far with the Dems and to show far more of them.

[chriswebber]

Obama - Did not serve. Grew up in Hawaii as a rich kid going to private school. Got into Harvard law, by unknown means (affirmative action). Did cocaine. Flipped flopped on the war. Promised to end the war. Then extend the war. Has spent a million dollars protecting his birth certificate. At least for everyone you listed, we can honestly state, they were US Citizens qualified for the position. Should I continue? We could ask what community he organized. Perhaps, who financed his house? If global warming was such a big thing in his heart, why did he drive a Chrysler 300 Hemi. His wife got a 300k job after he was elected state senator. Hmmm...

[chriswebber]

Stop reading the Daily Kos. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/3/11/233530/469/361/707481
Ever heard the guy that writes that blog speak?

Oh yeah

Clinton & Kennedy treated women as sex objects while acting as the executive trying to bring equality to all.:o

[RealSchool]

Realschool I don't think its a bad sign of the Republican Party about not serving as it is about politicians as a whole. I dare say if you look at the leadership of this country on both sides of the aisle you will see that very few have served like they used to. That and there hasn't been the large full scale wars like WWI and WWII when the vast majority of the male population served under arms creating a vast pool of veterans. Heck, we've had 3 presidents in a row now who haven't been in war, but at least Bush did serve in the military even if it was stateside, not excusing him using his connections.

In the last election the Republican candidate did serve and gave up allot for his country in doing so. Yet he lost the election, so I see this as being far and far less important to the country when electing leaders for the future and I daresay that in the near future it won't even enter the discussion much because we'll be hard pressed to find candidates with wartime experience (at least until the Iraqi vets start running).

Though I must say its funny you had to reach so far to find so many Republicans without wartime experience, many of which you listed haven't been a player in politics for many years. Don't have to go nearly that far with the Dems and to show far more of them.



You were saying????

Democrats Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade. Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam. Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII. John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts. John Edwards: did not serve. Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star &Bronze Star, Vietnam. Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953. Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91. Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal. Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit. Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart. Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V. Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57 Chuck Robb: Vietnam Howell Heflin: Silver Star George McGovern: Silver Star &DFC during WWII. Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311. Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters. Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.Saved by Raoul Wallenberg. Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general. John Dingell: WWII vet John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

[Wolvrin704]

And you're only showing the lists that YOU want to make. If I had time I'm sure I could compile a large list of Dems with no military service and one for Republicans that do have military service. Some of the greatest Presidents and politicians in US history had no military experience while the opposite also holds true.

I would hardly call Wesley Clark a politician as while he did run for President it was for a very short time, he has never held a political office and his honorary knighthood excludes him from ever holding political office.

[RealSchool]

"And you're only showing the lists that YOU want to make."


The list is the list. As you will see it also ha dClinton on it as well as McCain.

[RealSchool]

Still waiting guys. Not one story?

[chriswebber]

I'm sorry, I've been looking on the dailykos, but have yet to find something. Obviously, you won't believe any other publication, so I guess the point is moot. I believe the only two sources you read are the Dailykos and Dr. Seus. But Dr. Seus only when you are feeling enlightened and academic for it is a hard publication to understand.