Beilien: How long til he bolts?

[chriswebber]

Honestly, with Beilien leaving WVU for more money, how long will he stay at UM? I would say he leaves for an SEC job then goes to the NBA. He isn't a career UM guy.

[bighousemike84]

No. Hes only been coaching college basketball for 30 years for the fuck of it! It was all a grand illusion. A devious plot to find the best deal because we all know Coach Beilein is a money hungry, untrustworthy coach. Just like Coach Rodriguez. I have no doubt that all they want is to waste 3-4 years of their lives building their style of program. Spend countless months, weeks, days, hours away from their families, their lives. Devote all their attention on the singular goal of being competitive all in an attempt to succeed so that they can move on and do it all over again!

Makes sense

[chriswebber]

No. Hes only been coaching college basketball for 30 years for the fuck of it! It was all a grand illusion. A devious plot to find the best deal because we all know Coach Beilein is a money hungry, untrustworthy coach. Just like Coach Rodriguez. I have no doubt that all they want is to waste 3-4 years of their lives building their style of program. Spend countless months, weeks, days, hours away from their families, their lives. Devote all their attention on the singular goal of being competitive all in an attempt to succeed so that they can move on and do it all over again!

Makes sense

Maybe he's the guy that likes to build the program and gets bored after success. Plus, the SEC is dying for a coach that can build a team. If Beilien pulls out Michigan, he'll get mad $$$$ from the SEC. Plus, it's the SEC the players don't have to read.

[bighousemike84]

I know nothing will convince you otherwise but Michigan has 2 coaches in Beilein and Rodriguez that will be UM lifers. Unless they dont succeed and it becomes obvious that a change is needed I truly believe that they will both retire Michigan legends.

I have a lot of faith in both men. Coach Beilein already has shown the fans that what he is doing is beginning to work and Coach Rodriguez is very close to realizing that same goal. WVU lost some great coaches and Michigan gained. I could go on for awhile and give you every reason why I believe these men are perfect for the job but I dont feel like writing an insanely long post.

[bighousemike84]

Maybe he's the guy that likes to build the program and gets bored after success. Plus, the SEC is dying for a coach that can build a team. If Beilien pulls out Michigan, he'll get mad $$$$ from the SEC. Plus, it's the SEC the players don't have to read.

Do you really think that the rest of the world is as shallow as you? Money isnt everything, to a coach the age and intelligence of Beilein I dont think money means shit to him. Did you ever consider that he might have left WVU for the same reasons Rodriguez gave? Did you ever consider that Beilein saw what was coming and when Martin came calling he saw an opportunity to have a job he could take and retire with. To live in a city like AA, work for a university like Michigan. That kind of opportunity had to have been damn hard to pass on.

Money is not his concern. I dont know that for a fact but I believe it. As little as I know about the man Beilein I think I know him well enough to really believe that money was never really the deciding factor

[chriswebber]

Look RRod bailed on WVU his alma matar, he has no loyalty, but we'll talk about basketball.

Beilien if successful will be able to demand a lot of money. Beilien if successful will always be overshadowed by Izzo. Plus, UM will not be the powerhouse of Big Ten Basketball as long as Izzo, Smith, Crean, are around. You have the past, current, and future all-star coaches in that group. Illinois and Ohio State seem to make a run at it every 3rd year. His team is always going to compete against those guys. Whereas in the SEC, he would be the IZZO, the Smith, the Crean. I mean how often do we hear about Tom Izzo on the chopping block? Izzo lost to GVSU a few years back, but no one called for his canning... Other then a paycheck he has no connection to the University. I think when it come down to it, he would be foolish to stay if offered more money.

[bighousemike84]

Look RRod bailed on WVU his alma matar, he has no loyalty

WVU was not HIS alma mater.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Beilein

Lets see
Erie Community College: 4 yrs. as head coach
Nazareth: 1 yr. as head coach
Le Moyne: 5 yrs. head coach
Canisius: 5 yrs. head coach
Richmond: 5 years head coach
West Virginia: 5 yrs. head coach

] Beilein has won 507 career games (including games that were not at the Division I level, but excluding junior college games).

Beilein is the only active collegiate coach to have achieved 20-win seasons at four different levels — junior college, NAIA, NCAA Division II and NCAA Division I.[2] He has been recognized as coach of the year numerous times: in 1981 at Erie Community College, in 1988 at LeMoyne, in 1994 at Canisius, and in 1998 at Richmond.[3] In addition, Beilein is one of only seven coaches in history (along with Lefty Driesell, Jim Harrick, Lon Kruger, Rick Pitino, Tubby Smith, and Eddie Sutton) to have taken four different schools to the NCAA Tournament.[4][5]


Hmmm. Sounds like the kinda guy who will always live under Izzos shadow eh! Whatever dude you wanna hate the guy or dislike him then what the fuck ever. Im done, I think I have established a pretty strong case using actual facts. You show me some hard evidence to support your belief in the lack of skill as a coach then ill read it but, just like Rodriguez, Beilein has won everywhere he has been. If he succeeds at Michigan ,and he will, then he will take a backseat to no one!

[chriswebber]

WVU was not HIS alma mater.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Beilein

Lets see
Erie Community College: 4 yrs. as head coach
Nazareth: 1 yr. as head coach
Le Moyne: 5 yrs. head coach
Canisius: 5 yrs. head coach
Richmond: 5 years head coach
West Virginia: 5 yrs. head coach

] Beilein has won 507 career games (including games that were not at the Division I level, but excluding junior college games).

Beilein is the only active collegiate coach to have achieved 20-win seasons at four different levels — junior college, NAIA, NCAA Division II and NCAA Division I.[2] He has been recognized as coach of the year numerous times: in 1981 at Erie Community College, in 1988 at LeMoyne, in 1994 at Canisius, and in 1998 at Richmond.[3] In addition, Beilein is one of only seven coaches in history (along with Lefty Driesell, Jim Harrick, Lon Kruger, Rick Pitino, Tubby Smith, and Eddie Sutton) to have taken four different schools to the NCAA Tournament.[4][5]


Hmmm. Sounds like the kinda guy who will always live under Izzos shadow eh! Whatever dude you wanna hate the guy or dislike him then what the fuck ever. Im done, I think I have established a pretty strong case using actual facts. You show me some hard evidence to support your belief in the lack of skill as a coach then ill read it but, just like Rodriguez, Beilein has won everywhere he has been. If he succeeds at Michigan ,and he will, then he will take a backseat to no one!

I'm not hating, I just think he's in and out. Michigan is not the destination it once was. It's a stepping stone.

1. Let's see he's changed jobs every 5 years.
2. He's been climbing his entire career.
3. No one cares about the past, its what he does at his current job.
4. Michigan Basketball will have a tarnished rep for sometime. Ask UCLA,... Who wants to coach the bad guys?
5. He's left before after exhibiting some potential. Why would the guy change for AA. It's not even warm and the competition is tough.
6. People tend to find the easiest job, that pays the most. SEC. 2 years of left. I promise.

[Mich97c]

The athletic dept. at Michigan is very loyal and many coaches tend to stay as long as they can. As long as he feels he is being treated with respect by the AD, he'll stay for awhile.

The only SEC job worth taking would be Kent. and not sure the fan base would like his style of offense.

Of course there is always the big time program of Oakland but that's just a pipe dream for Belin.

[amazinblue]

Plus, it's the SEC the players don't have to read.

If the Wonderlic scores I saw from the combine are true - CWebb's spoken the truth - Percy Harvin a 12???

CWebb - I'm just wondering - who scored higher you or Harvin?

[bluefan]

Illinois and Ohio State seem to make a run at it every 3rd year. His team is always going to compete against those guys. .

uos every 3 years? WTF are you smoking? They finally have a couple years where they aren't the Northwestern of B10 bball and you think they run at it every 3 years? If you had said Ill and Wisconsin or something I might not have spit coffee all over my monitor. Keep telling yourself uos is relevant, homer.

[michAGAIN]

I don't mean to change the thread topic since it is SO interesting but did anyone notice that OSU was bounced from the NCAA tournament in the first game? A lot of fans are calling for Matta to resign and I think that would be a good move. It's not like he'd be with OSU much longer anyway. Please discuss.

[amazinblue]

Underachieve or overachieve...

I was thinking about this and its relevance to CWebb's great thread starting post. I'm wondering which team do you think had a "better" season - particularly in meeting / exceeding expectations at the beginning of the season. Did your team underachieve or overachieve?

Personally, I believe the Maize & Blue overachieved. I had hoped they would make the dance at the beginning of the season, and the results that Beilein's been able to produce with his limited recruiting time are evidence that he knows what he's doing.

I believe that Michigan overachieved this season - and OSU, once again, underachieved in both football and basketball...

As for Beilein bolting for another job - hmmm.. if he stays five years - that means he's got three years left. Personally, I'm very interested in seeing what he's able to develop and build in Ann Arbor. I do think it's becoming something special. And, I'm glad that we've got Beilein - heck, with the talent that OSU's been able to recruit - if Beilein were there, that team would be a perennial Elite Eight / Final Four squad. This year was the first of many consecutive years going to the Dance. And, I think Beilein's here for a while...

[bigboyBlue]

I think everyone forgets the brand name that was Michigan bball before the scandal, and what a regular feature they were in the tournament. And if you think the rest of the country and recruits are still hung up on that scandal, dream on, theses kids were a year old, no one remembers, no one cares. Coach B isn't going anywhere.

[Mike Furley]

This thread is stupid. Beiline isn't going anywhere. He's a great coach and UM hit a home run in hiring him - or at least spanked a stand up double off the wall.

I think in today's reality of the one & done player, non-basketball schools like a Michigan or Ohio State need to have coaches who can recruit, develop, and utilize the next tier of high school talent. I think Beiline can do this given his performance at WVU.

I am not convinced that Thad Matta can do the same. He appears to be a capable recruiter. I have not seen yet his ability to develop and utilize the talent he brings in. He seems more in the mold of a Guy Lewis - the type of coach whose idea of practice and preparation is to unlock the gym and roll a ball out onto the the court.

I think we'll know definively after two more seasons. If Beiline has UM in the top three in the conference and Matta has OSU in the 4-7 range with the occasional blip where the freshman talent wins in spite of him (2006-07 season) then I'll be judged right.

[joeismyname]

Look RRod bailed on WVU his alma matar, he has no loyalty, but we'll talk about basketball.

Beilien if successful will be able to demand a lot of money. Beilien if successful will always be overshadowed by Izzo. Plus, UM will not be the powerhouse of Big Ten Basketball as long as Izzo, Smith, Crean, are around. You have the past, current, and future all-star coaches in that group. Illinois and Ohio State seem to make a run at it every 3rd year. His team is always going to compete against those guys. Whereas in the SEC, he would be the IZZO, the Smith, the Crean. I mean how often do we hear about Tom Izzo on the chopping block? Izzo lost to GVSU a few years back, but no one called for his canning... Other then a paycheck he has no connection to the University. I think when it come down to it, he would be foolish to stay if offered more money.

Another post that just proves that you are an idiot. I live in Lexington, Kentucky, I hear about SEC basketball all the time, it's many people's way of life down here. I don't know if you have ever heard of a coach named Billy Donovan or not, but he won two national championships in a row a few years ago for Florida and the SEC and I'm pretty sure he is up there with Izzo, Crean, and Smith. Bruce Pearl has also been making Tennessee better than they ever have been. Stop posting your retarted BS on this site because it never has any depth. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just a watered down version of 1OSUNUT; an assh01E who is also a complete moron.

[rickyleach]

Bighousemike, that was beautiful, i think webber just crawled back under the rock he came from. Great posts..

[bighousemike84]

Well, I do what I can

[primetime101]

beilein was the best possible hire, i have never seen a coach develop players like he does....if he can recruit higher rated guys, not ones that are one-and-done but 4 year guys, beilein will build us something special

[GoGreen23]

The GVSU was a preseason loss in the exhibition season. Not that any of you really care anyway.

And if anyone's gonna say anything about losing to OSU in the Big Ten Tournament consider this....It's hard to beat the same team twice in the same season, let alone 3 times. Besides, State played like garbage the whole game, and we still scored 70 points with 29% shooting.

[Wolvrin704]

The GVSU was a preseason loss in the exhibition season. Not that any of you really care anyway.

And if anyone's gonna say anything about losing to OSU in the Big Ten Tournament consider this....It's hard to beat the same team twice in the same season, let alone 3 times. Besides, State played like garbage the whole game, and we still scored 70 points with 29% shooting.

I wouldn't dwell on losing ot OSU. Your team is still in the tourny and thats all that matters.

[TNTWolverine]

If you think B will ever coach in the NBA you know nothing about his system or attitude. It's his way or the highway, does that sound like any NBA coach to you?

[The Michigan Man]

Maybe he's the guy that likes to build the program and gets bored after success. Plus, the SEC is dying for a coach that can build a team. If Beilien pulls out Michigan, he'll get mad $$$$ from the SEC. Plus, it's the SEC the players don't have to read.


This is a waste of a thread. When does he get bored, he has had 4 jobs over a long career, not exactly a carpet bagger by any measure.

The "SEC" is dying for a coach that can build a team? Every team in the conference? Is there anything to this theory besides you just thinking it would be nice not to have to deal with Beilein for the next 10 years?

[chriswebber]

This is a waste of a thread. When does he get bored, he has had 4 jobs over a long career, not exactly a carpet bagger by any measure.

The "SEC" is dying for a coach that can build a team? Every team in the conference? Is there anything to this theory besides you just thinking it would be nice not to have to deal with Beilein for the next 10 years?

No, I'm reviewing his job hopping nature. The fact, he and Harris don't get along. And the entire plush job market for NCAA basketball coaches. The man has no ties to Michigan. Give me a break. Michigan is a stepping stone to a big time program, it's an old big time program that died in 1992. The same year they cleaned Crisler.

[bigboyBlue]

No, I'm reviewing his job hopping nature. The fact, he and Harris don't get along. And the entire plush job market for NCAA basketball coaches. The man has no ties to Michigan. Give me a break. Michigan is a stepping stone to a big time program, it's an old big time program that died in 1992. The same year they cleaned Crisler.

Ok now you're just baiting. I'd gladly hand out the negative rep, except I evidently must spread it around before giving it to you again. Someone help me out here?

[The Michigan Man]

Ok now you're just baiting. I'd gladly hand out the negative rep, except I evidently must spread it around before giving it to you again. Someone help me out here?

Trolling is bad enough, but lazy, unimaginative trolling like this thread is pathetic...

[Wolvrin704]

No, I'm reviewing his job hopping nature. The fact, he and Harris don't get along. And the entire plush job market for NCAA basketball coaches. The man has no ties to Michigan. Give me a break. Michigan is a stepping stone to a big time program, it's an old big time program that died in 1992. The same year they cleaned Crisler.

Matta has been a far bigger job hopper so quit trying to make it look like Belein is so horrible. Its the nature of the job industry, coaches get jobs at lower tiered schools and work their way up every 3-5 years if they're any good.

As far as job hopping that seems to be the American way anyways as people are always willing to leave for the "next big thing" and long term job employment with the same employer is becoming quite the dinosaur.

Really though how many coaches do you expect to get their first big gig at a top tier conference school? Or even their 2nd? Had Pitino taken the UM job a few years ago would you use the same analogy?

Your trolling = UTTER FAIL

[Mich97c]

No, I'm reviewing his job hopping nature. The fact, he and Harris don't get along. And the entire plush job market for NCAA basketball coaches. The man has no ties to Michigan. Give me a break. Michigan is a stepping stone to a big time program, it's an old big time program that died in 1992. The same year they cleaned Crisler.

Ahhh, poor baby. Went to UofM for a semester or two then flunked out, went to Oakland and now so bitter. Can't take it that no matter what Michigan is big time program - in every sport.

Hey C-Webb - I heard the Fab Five mailed an apology letter to Oakland for beating them up so bad.

[chriswebber]

Ahhh, poor baby. Went to UofM for a semester or two then flunked out, went to Oakland and now so bitter. Can't take it that no matter what Michigan is big time program - in every sport.

Hey C-Webb - I heard the Fab Five mailed an apology letter to Oakland for beating them up so bad.


Oakland doesn't care since you let Toledo beat Michigan at Home. :eek:

[chriswebber]

I'm not whinning, i'm pointing out the facts.... ignorance is bliss.

[rickyleach]

webber i have one question for you , how much longer are you going to continue dogging michigans program , and are you a fan of a certain program or like someone posted ,you are just a pissed off x michigan wannabe student that couldnt cut it ,so now you are taking it out on all of the university , YOU PROBOBLY DONT LIKE THE GIRLS SWIM TEAM EITHER, VERY SAD . I HOPE YOU FIND YOUR PATH SOME DAY.

[editor]

Coach B will finish his career at UM. At 56, he's no longer a young coach climbing the ladder. Starting at community college, he has changed jobs as a way of climbing to the top of his career. Community College, Division III, low Division I, Mid Division I, and then a step up from Richmond, to WVU to UM. All of those career changes were a means of getting to where he is now.

He has a six year contract. Assuming he finishes the current one, he'll be 60. If he has another good year next year, UM will offer a contract extension. That'll put him into his 60s.

The only scenario I see for him leaving on his own is if he doesn't get a facility somewhat comparable to that of the football program for practice and administration.

[bluefan]

Ok now you're just baiting. I'd gladly hand out the negative rep, except I evidently must spread it around before giving it to you again. Someone help me out here?

Dammit. I'm trying. I hit everyone on this thread (except a few not to be named) with good rep because I had to spread it around, too. Apparently you can only do so much in 24 hours before they cut you off. Never did get to give cwebb any.

[Blue In Ohio]

Michigan has a history of being a premier program so I'm not sure who he would leave to go to. While the last few years Michigan has not been a premier program you can't erase years of history with that. What history does OSU have as a basketball school? I think you should be asking yourselves when your coach (Matta) will be leaving you to go to a better job. OSU has been good the last few years but they are clearly not a premier program and have little history of that. OSU is more of a stepping stone program.

[1OSUNUT]

I think if you look deep into the history of both schools - you will find that The Ohio State University has a richer history in the sport of basketball.

[bluefan]

I think if you look deep into the history of both schools - you will find that The Ohio State University has a richer history in the sport of basketball.

Well, if we count it like uos fans I guess the only thing that matters is the timeline that benefits us the most. 89 NC and UM went farther in the NCAA tourney this year. Wins and accomplishments from before '89 and then '89 thru just before this years Tourney mean nothing.

[bigboyBlue]

I think if you look deep into the history of both schools - you will find that The Ohio State University has a richer history in the sport of basketball.

Well honey, dig up the history on tUOS bball (deeeep into the history, as you claimed) and get back to us, blanket statements like this are just lazy trolling.

[1OSUNUT]

Not to mention we are up on Michigan in the overall series 83-70.

[BBA1994]

I think if you look deep into the history of both schools - you will find that The Ohio State University has a richer history in the sport of basketball.

I think if you look deep into the crevices of your throat, you will find evidence of tressy's pecker.

[bigboyBlue]

Not to mention we are up on Michigan in the overall series 83-70.

Still not addressing your 'deep history' I see. Let me help you get started NUT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_State_Buckeyes_men%27s_basketball#Season-by-season_results

I see a lot of blank space, NIT appearance, and vacated games and seasons. Now please analyze and tell me how Suckeye bball rules.

[chriswebber]

Now this is the fun one. How is Michigan going to explain their 16 years absence from the NCAA for being better then Ohio State... I'm waiting.

[bluefan]

Uhhh....uos went 13 years without an appearance. 3 less than UM. Truly, they are the pinnacle of NCAA Men's Bball. Duke, UNC, and UCLA all sing uos' praises.

[rickyleach]

Webber , the point is we dont have to explain any absence to you at all, and who cares what you think, besides isnt your real idenity runtheball.. Your posts sound the same ,same words same everything.

[nc wolverine]

ok u all are making me do this

michigan revolutionized the game of basketball. They were the first team to wear all black basketball shoes (and black socks)...... nike went bank because of us....

[Wolvrin704]

Now this is the fun one. How is Michigan going to explain their 16 years absence from the NCAA for being better then Ohio State... I'm waiting.

I don't think anyone is trying to claim UM is the pinnacle of NCAA basketball. We are in a major conference and given the support (which they are) become a highly successful program. In the B10 for program history no one rises above MSU and IU.

[Wolvrin704]

Not to mention we are up on Michigan in the overall series 83-70.

Oh this is just PRICELESS!!!!

We use that all the time in football conversation and YOU always say it has no meaning. Yet you bring it up in basketball because it favors your team? Do you not see how you flip flop all over the place? We'll start calling you Al Gore.


I think if you look deep into the history of both schools - you will find that The Ohio State University has a richer history in the sport of basketball.

I would say OSU's basketball history is only slightly better than UM's. Its like saying UM's football history is richer than OSU's.