ohio state going to the spread, funny how things have changed

[rickyleach]

i find it funny that over the last year ,how many ohio state posters have dogged michigan and their rinkydink style of offense , which is the spread, saying things like it will never work in the big10 and the players are to small and ,plus they will get beat up by the bigger ,slower more pysical style of play that most all big10 teams have , and guess what , and guess who is going to the spread, OHIO STATE, BUT THE SPIN YOU GUYS PUT ON IT , IS WERE GOING TO RUN THIS AND PRYOR IS GOING TO DO THAT, I ASK HOW THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU YOURSELVES HAVE SAID IT WONT WORK , YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME OVERRATED BIG ,SLOW AND LAZY GUYS , PLUS A COACH THAT CANT FIGURE OUT THE PRO STYLE O ,LET ALONE THE SPREAD, CAN WE ALL SAY YOUR ALL HIPPYCRITS, I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE NEW VERSION OF THE HARLEM GLOBE TROTTERS ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD, THAT BEING THE UNIVERSITY OF OHIO STATE,

[Silver Bullet]

i find it funny that over the last year ,how many ohio state posters have dogged michigan and their rinkydink style of offense , which is the spread, saying things like it will never work in the big10 and the players are to small and ,plus they will get beat up by the bigger ,slower more pysical style of play that most all big10 teams have , and guess what , and guess who is going to the spread, OHIO STATE, BUT THE SPIN YOU GUYS PUT ON IT , IS WERE GOING TO RUN THIS AND PRYOR IS GOING TO DO THAT, I ASK HOW THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU YOURSELVES HAVE SAID IT WONT WORK , YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME OVERRATED BIG ,SLOW AND LAZY GUYS , PLUS A COACH THAT CANT FIGURE OUT THE PRO STYLE O ,LET ALONE THE SPREAD, CAN WE ALL SAY YOUR ALL HIPPYCRITS, I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE NEW VERSION OF THE HARLEM GLOBE TROTTERS ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD, THAT BEING THE UNIVERSITY OF OHIO STATE,

They have been running a version of the spread for years. When Smith was QB, OSU would routinely run 4-5 receiver sets. With the inexperience at QB last year and a sub-par O-line the offense was scaled down to more basic sets. OSU won't be running a full blown spread like Um or any other teams do. Tressel is still going to run the ball from the I and run 2 receiver sets. All of this Tressel bashing...what is Um's record against him again?

[The Michigan Man]

They have been running a version of the spread for years. When Smith was QB, OSU would routinely run 4-5 receiver sets. With the inexperience at QB last year and a sub-par O-line the offense was scaled down to more basic sets. OSU won't be running a full blown spread like Um or any other teams do. Tressel is still going to run the ball from the I and run 2 receiver sets. All of this Tressel bashing...what is Um's record against him again?

The JT bashing transcends his excellent record against a fading coach (Carr) and a rebuilding coach (RR, so far). tUOS nation promotes itself as an elite program, and the obvious shortcomings of losing 3 bowl games in a row and every big game played for the past 4 years make JT fodder for criticism on a Michigan message board. What do you expect?

[Silver Bullet]

The JT bashing transcends his excellent record against a fading coach (Carr) and a rebuilding coach (RR, so far). tUOS nation promotes itself as an elite program, and the obvious shortcomings of losing 3 bowl games in a row and every big game played for the past 4 years make JT fodder for criticism on a Michigan message board. What do you expect?

Educated criticism? Leach was talking like the spread isn't something that hasn't been around OSU for years. I can handle criticism as an OSU fan. It's you guys that are touchy. Tell you what, you guys get to a big game and we'll see how it goes...as it's stood lately, you guys aren't even worthy of national broadcasts (except because of ND's contract with NBC and riding OSU's coat tails).

[Mich97c]

Educated criticism? Leach was talking like the spread isn't something that hasn't been around OSU for years. I can handle criticism as an OSU fan. It's you guys that are touchy. Tell you what, you guys get to a big game and we'll see how it goes...as it's stood lately, you guys aren't even worthy of national broadcasts (except because of ND's contract with NBC and riding OSU's coat tails).

Usually you don't get educated criticism when you layer it with mindless insults.

[The Michigan Man]

Educated criticism? Leach was talking like the spread isn't something that hasn't been around OSU for years. I can handle criticism as an OSU fan. It's you guys that are touchy. Tell you what, you guys get to a big game and we'll see how it goes...as it's stood lately, you guys aren't even worthy of national broadcasts (except because of ND's contract with NBC and riding OSU's coat tails).

Yeah, because audiences nationwide are just clamoring to get more tUOS games. The prospect of tUOS appearing in a 3rd straight NC game almost caused a nationwide revolt by college football fans - no one wants to see tUOS until they start winning big games.

[rickyleach]

silverpuss, i was just posting what your media and athletic department is saying about your 2009 team, why get pissed at me, YOU ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SAID THE SPREAD WOULDNT WORK IN THE BIG10, and now your program says it is going to it, i dont give two sshits about what you say about troy smith from a few years ago, we all know DAAAAA, that you had a more wide open offense with smith, but again the spread wasnt going to work in the big10 , because of how big and strong the players are, guess what your wrong , and guess what ,now that your going to it ,ITS GREAT AND WERE GONNA DO THIS AND THAT WITH PRYOR, you guys are so full of dogtressel its simply amaizing, michigan is the prigram that will lead the way in the spread , REMEMBER YOUR COACH CANT FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN A PRO STYLE O , AND NOW YOU THINK HE CAN TEACH THE SPREAD, PLUS YOU ARE THE FANS THAT ARE SICK AND TIED OF TRESSEL AND HIS SO CALLED OFFENSE, YOUR BOY DIDNT RECRUIT FAST LEAN GUYS, HE RECRUITED BIG SLOW AND LAZY GUYS. I CAN SEE IT NOW , IT WILL BE PRYOR SACKED LEFT ,PRYOR GETS SACKED RIGHT, YOUR TEAM AND THE CHANGES WILL BE NOTHING SHORT OF A CIRCUS , AND ILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO LAUGH MY ASSSS OFF.

[Silver Bullet]

- no one wants to see tUOS until they start winning big games.

Or in Um's case, ANY games.

[Silver Bullet]

silverpuss, i was just posting what your media and athletic department is saying about your 2009 team, why get pissed at me, YOU ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SAID THE SPREAD WOULDNT WORK IN THE BIG10, and now your program says it is going to it, i dont give two sshits about what you say about troy smith from a few years ago, we all know DAAAAA, that you had a more wide open offense with smith, but again the spread wasnt going to work in the big10 , because of how big and strong the players are, guess what your wrong , and guess what ,now that your going to it ,ITS GREAT AND WERE GONNA DO THIS AND THAT WITH PRYOR, you guys are so full of dogtressel its simply amaizing, michigan is the prigram that will lead the way in the spread , REMEMBER YOUR COACH CANT FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN A PRO STYLE O , AND NOW YOU THINK HE CAN TEACH THE SPREAD, PLUS YOU ARE THE FANS THAT ARE SICK AND TIED OF TRESSEL AND HIS SO CALLED OFFENSE, YOUR BOY DIDNT RECRUIT FAST LEAN GUYS, HE RECRUITED BIG SLOW AND LAZY GUYS. I CAN SEE IT NOW , IT WILL BE PRYOR SACKED LEFT ,PRYOR GETS SACKED RIGHT, YOUR TEAM AND THE CHANGES WILL BE NOTHING SHORT OF A CIRCUS , AND ILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO LAUGH MY ASSSS OFF.

It's funny that Um recruits the same kids as OSU, many out of Ohio (just like OSU) but Um only lands the athletes and OSU gets the fat and lazy ones. So the same kid is either fast and strong or fat and lazy, depending on where he verbals/commits? This is lacking sense, even coming from you.

[Don Unverferth]

Or in Um's case, ANY games.

I'll have to go ahead and correct you on this one SB. The blue did win 3 games last year. :D

[rickyleach]

donny and silverpuss, BOTH OF YOU ARE FENCE RIDERS, NOW ALL OF THE SUDDEN YOUR BOY JIMMY IS A GENIUS, GREAT TALENT BUT NO ONE TO TEACH THEM, REMEMBER YOU SAID IT ,THE SPREAD WONT WORK IN THE SLOW LAZY BIG10, HOW MANY YEARS HAS IT BEEN ,4 OR 5 FOR WINNING A BIG GAME. you got a wide receiver playing qb ,plus he should punt too , oh thats right he throws like a punt , his footwork looks like 2/leftfeet willy,let the circus begin folks .with the main character being sideline side show tressy, and his band of chimps..

[Don Unverferth]

donny and silverpuss, BOTH OF YOU ARE FENCE RIDERS, NOW ALL OF THE SUDDEN YOUR BOY JIMMY IS A GENIUS, GREAT TALENT BUT NO ONE TO TEACH THEM, REMEMBER YOU SAID IT ,THE SPREAD WONT WORK IN THE SLOW LAZY BIG10, HOW MANY YEARS HAS IT BEEN ,4 OR 5 FOR WINNING A BIG GAME. you got a wide receiver playing qb ,plus he should punt too , oh thats right he throws like a punt , his footwork looks like 2/leftfeet willy,let the circus begin folks .with the main character being sideline side show tressy, and his band of chimps..

Do us all a favor ricky and blow your head off!

[1OSUNUT]

donny and silverpuss, BOTH OF YOU ARE FENCE RIDERS, NOW ALL OF THE SUDDEN YOUR BOY JIMMY IS A GENIUS, GREAT TALENT BUT NO ONE TO TEACH THEM, REMEMBER YOU SAID IT ,THE SPREAD WONT WORK IN THE SLOW LAZY BIG10, HOW MANY YEARS HAS IT BEEN ,4 OR 5 FOR WINNING A BIG GAME. you got a wide receiver playing qb ,plus he should punt too , oh thats right he throws like a punt , his footwork looks like 2/leftfeet willy,let the circus begin folks .with the main character being sideline side show tressy, and his band of chimps..

Your right TP sucks. I don't even know why we recruited him - by the way what was the score of the Michigan game last year ? I have it TP 1 - RR 0

[rickyleach]

when you say TP, DOES THAT MEAN TOTAL PUSSY, I CANT WAIT UNTIL HE GETS HIS ASSS SMOKED, AND THE BIGINNING OF THIS WILL BE USC.. IM GOING TO LAUGH MY ASSS OFF AT YOU AND YOUR TEAM , AS A MATTER OF FACT THE ENTIRE NATION WILL BE LAUGHING.....

[1OSUNUT]

I much rather have the nation laughing at the Big Ten Champion / BCS Bowl Ohio State Buckeyes - then to have them go 3 - 9.

How you can sit there and say anything about Ohio State after they kicked the shit out of the Wolverines last year is beyond me. Maybe after TP beats your asses in the Big Hole this year you will change your tone - Im guessing you won't though. Your not that smart.

[The Michigan Man]

I much rather have the nation laughing at the Big Ten Champion / BCS Bowl Ohio State Buckeyes - then to have them go 3 - 9.

How you can sit there and say anything about Ohio State after they kicked the shit out of the Wolverines last year is beyond me. Maybe after TP beats your asses in the Big Hole this year you will change your tone - Im guessing you won't though. Your not that smart.

??? TP only completed 5 passes against the worst Wolverine defense in years. 5 completions!

Without all of the experienced players carrying his ass this year and with the pressure for him to actually win games due to his efforts, there could be more tears on the sidelines for poor TP...

[Don Unverferth]

??? TP only completed 5 passes against the worst Wolverine defense in years. 5 completions!



He only put the ball in the air 13 times silly, including a 53 yard TD pass before he was replaced by Boeckman. No need for unnecessary fireworks when you are running all over and dominating an extremely weak and poorly coached team.

[rickyleach]

so don your great qb was 5 for 13 for 78 yards and one of those completions was a 58 yard pass, plus he was sacked 5 times, sounds like tressel is working real well with teaching pryor how to play the position, tressel said he needs to work on his footwork , BY CHANCE IS PRYOR TRYING OUT FOR DANCING WITH THE STARS, WHO HAS TRESSEL TURNED INTO A SOLID QB IN HIS TIME WITH OSU, ANSWER NOOOOOOOOO ONE...

[Frank Rizzo]

wasting your breath Ricky,these two asspilots (nut and Don) sit in the same dark bedroom, taking turns ejaculating MANGRAVY all over each others face while dressed like jim tressel.......;)

[amazinblue]

He only put the ball in the air 13 times silly, including a 53 yard TD pass before he was replaced by Boeckman. No need for unnecessary fireworks when you are running all over and dominating an extremely weak and poorly coached team.

Don,

I'm just wondering - what were you feeling at halftime of the Michigan - OSU game last season? Were you that confident in the dominating performance and whopping 14-7 lead the Buckeyes had? All of that with a senior laden team against a Michigan squad that had trouble playing four quarters.

It's going to be a different tune this season - you better get ready, because the Buckeyes aren't going to be as good as they were last year, and Michigan's going to be a LOT better.

[The Michigan Man]

He only put the ball in the air 13 times silly, including a 53 yard TD pass before he was replaced by Boeckman. No need for unnecessary fireworks when you are running all over and dominating an extremely weak and poorly coached team.

So your response, when it is pointed out that TP only completed 5 passes against a very bad secondary, is to highlight that he actually attempted 13 passes and had a horrible 38% completion rate? Way to promote your boy, Donny! Too funny...

[Don Unverferth]

So your response, when it is pointed out that TP only completed 5 passes against a very bad secondary, is to highlight that he actually attempted 13 passes and had a horrible 38% completion rate? Way to promote your boy, Donny! Too funny...

For a college grad you sure have difficulty with comprehension skills. Read my post again. The running attack alone was destroying the UM defense, we didn't need to open up the offense with a sustained passing game. Do your homework, it was run first and then pass all year for the Buckeyes, so nothing new here. If I was promoting Pryor, I would have brought up the fact that he lead the big ten in passing efficiency.

[The Michigan Man]

For a college grad you sure have difficulty with comprehension skills. Read my post again. The running attack alone was destroying the UM defense, we didn't need to open up the offense with a sustained passing game. Do your homework, it was run first and then pass all year for the Buckeyes, so nothing new here. If I was promoting Pryor, I would have brought up the fact that he lead the big ten in passing efficiency.

Focus focus focus. TP only threw the ball a handful of times because the running attack was killing the defense, true. But he only completed 38% of those few passes he attempted - that isn't exactly the demolition of by TP that you were implying. ANd how is his Big 10 passing efficiency relevant to a discussion of an effort where he could only complete 38%? Focus focus focus, stay on point, Donny.

A cigar store dummy could have stood out there and handed the ball to Beanie over and over and missed 8 / 13 pass attempts. That tUOS victory over Michigan had little to do with TP, the lead-footed Boeckman would have won that game as well.

[Don Unverferth]

Focus focus focus. TP only threw the ball a handful of times because the running attack was killing the defense, true. But he only completed 38% of those few passes he attempted - that isn't exactly the demolition of by TP that you were implying. ANd how is his Big 10 passing efficiency relevant to a discussion of an effort where he could only complete 38%? Focus focus focus, stay on point, Donny.

A cigar store dummy could have stood out there and handed the ball to Beanie over and over and missed 8 / 13 pass attempts. That tUOS victory over Michigan had little to do with TP, the lead-footed Boeckman would have won that game as well.

Why the interest in pryor's completion percentage in that game? It was over before it started anyway. Why can't you understand this? And you are correct, a cigar store dummy or even Threet could have QB'd the Bucks and won. You're the one missing the point dummy.

[Don Unverferth]

He only put the ball in the air 13 times silly, including a 53 yard TD pass before he was replaced by Boeckman. No need for unnecessary fireworks when you are running all over and dominating an extremely weak and poorly coached team.

Don,

I'm just wondering - what were you feeling at halftime of the Michigan - OSU game last season? Were you that confident in the dominating performance and whopping 14-7 lead the Buckeyes had? All of that with a senior laden team against a Michigan squad that had trouble playing four quarters.

It's going to be a different tune this season - you better get ready, because the Buckeyes aren't going to be as good as they were last year, and Michigan's going to be a LOT better.

Last I checked, there are 4 quarters in a football game. What was the final score again? It would have been more lopsided had Tress not called off the dogs early in the 4th quarter.

Let's all hope and pray UM is better than last year.

[The Michigan Man]

Why the interest in pryor's completion percentage in that game? It was over before it started anyway. Why can't you understand this? And you are correct, a cigar store dummy or even Threet could have QB'd the Bucks and won. You're the one missing the point dummy.

Good, now you can quit with the premise that TP is some sort of "Michigan slayer". What you've come to realize is that if a cigar store indian, Threet, Boeckman, or nearly anyone else would have played QB for tUOS last year, the results would have been the same - an offense loaded with senior talent rendered the QB position less important last year, which is why TP actually looked mediocre instead of bad last year.

Come on up to the real world every now and then and get some fresh air, that stale cellar at your mom's house that you call a room probably needs some ventilation.

[Don Unverferth]

Good, now you can quit with the premise that TP is some sort of "Michigan slayer". What you've come to realize is that if a cigar store indian, Threet, Boeckman, or nearly anyone else would have played QB for tUOS last year, the results would have been the same - an offense loaded with senior talent rendered the QB position less important last year, which is why TP actually looked mediocre instead of bad last year.

Come on up to the real world every now and then and get some fresh air, that stale cellar at your mom's house that you call a room probably needs some ventilation.

Funny, where did I mention that Pryor was a Michigan slayer? That's the title for Tress, Troy, and Beanie silly. Most likely the end result would have been the same against UM without Pryor, you are correct, but that's not saying much. As far as the rest of the season, Pryor wasn't named freshman of the year in the Big Ten for no reason. You have limited football knowledge at best if you think he looked mediocre as a true freshman.

Still using the same tired old clichés MM? I mean, "living in Mom's basement"???? Don't you have anything better than that?

[The Michigan Man]

Funny, where did I mention that Pryor was a Michigan slayer? That's the title for Tress, Troy, and Beanie silly. Most likely the end result would have been the same against UM without Pryor, you are correct, but that's not saying much. As far as the rest of the season, Pryor wasn't named freshman of the year in the Big Ten for no reason. You have limited football knowledge at best if you think he looked mediocre as a true freshman.

Still using the same tired old clichés MM? I mean, "living in Mom's basement"???? Don't you have anything better than that?

Sorry, I should have been really clever like you and just called you dummy, dummy.

Good for TP on winning a subjective award mostly based on his name recognition as being the most sought after recruit in 2008. As for being so great this season, why was he crying like a little girl on the sidelines if he had such a charmed season? When was the last time that tUOS went without scoring an offensive TD in 4 games in one season?

[Don Unverferth]

Sorry, I should have been really clever like you and just called you dummy, dummy.

Good for TP on winning a subjective award mostly based on his name recognition as being the most sought after recruit in 2008. As for being so great this season, why was he crying like a little girl on the sidelines if he had such a charmed season? When was the last time that tUOS went without scoring an offensive TD in 4 games in one season?

Where are you getting this stuff? Where did I say Pryor had a great year or that he had a charmed season? I simply stated that Pryor was good enough to win best Frosh in 2008. The coaches agree. You seriously crack me up. So you believe Terrelle was awarded freshman of the year only because of his name and his reputation? How very interesting. Keep going, you're digging yourself into an even bigger hole.

[rickyleach]

don, lets make one thing clear , with out a doubt pryor has talent, but not as much as what everyone thought , the kid cant throw the football, maybe he can run to the receiver and toss it to him ,im sure he would have more completions this way , and then you could say tressel is doing a good job of development,

[The Michigan Man]

don, lets make one thing clear , with out a doubt pryor has talent, but not as much as what everyone thought , the kid cant throw the football, maybe he can run to the receiver and toss it to him ,im sure he would have more completions this way , and then you could say tressel is doing a good job of development,

True, the kid does have talent, to some degree. But back during the recruitment of TP, a lot of us just assumed he could pass, I certainly did. When tUOS trolls keep harping on "RR wanted him" and "Michigan fans wanted him", that is not entirely true - we wanted what we THOUGHT he was, not what he is - a stiff who can either throw an incomplete pass or scramble.

You guys can kid yourself all you'd like, but with the talent he had surrounding him at OL, RB, WR, etc., he should not have sucked as badly as he did against USC, Purdue, PSU, and Texas. Hell, he could only complete 38% of his passes against the worst Michigan secondary in decades. TP = false advertising.

[Wolvrin704]

True, the kid does have talent, to some degree. But back during the recruitment of TP, a lot of us just assumed he could pass, I certainly did. When tUOS trolls keep harping on "RR wanted him" and "Michigan fans wanted him", that is not entirely true - we wanted what we THOUGHT he was, not what he is - a stiff who can either throw an incomplete pass or scramble.

You guys can kid yourself all you'd like, but with the talent he had surrounding him at OL, RB, WR, etc., he should not have sucked as badly as he did against USC, Purdue, PSU, and Texas. Hell, he could only complete 38% of his passes against the worst Michigan secondary in decades. TP = false advertising.

Good analysis, being as UM fans were late in the game to the TP recruiting many of us assummed allot about him. He is very talented but not as much as he was advertised to be.

But the point of this topic still stands. Last season the trolls, NUT in particular, made fun of the spread and said it would never work...repeatedly. Now what is your take on the spread? Does your opinion change merely because your team is going to it? What does that say about a coach who throws his system out the window for one player? Its one thing to adapt your system but to change it completely........can't be good for the recruitment of Montana, isn't he a pocket passer?

[The Michigan Man]

Good analysis, being as UM fans were late in the game to the TP recruiting many of us assummed allot about him. He is very talented but not as much as he was advertised to be.

But the point of this topic still stands. Last season the trolls, NUT in particular, made fun of the spread and said it would never work...repeatedly. Now what is your take on the spread? Does your opinion change merely because your team is going to it? What does that say about a coach who throws his system out the window for one player? Its one thing to adapt your system but to change it completely........can't be good for the recruitment of Montana, isn't he a pocket passer?

"The spread will never work in the Big 10, it is only for marginally talented teams, RR is a mistake, etc...oh wait, hold on, JT is implementing the spread? Yeah, the spread is great, TP is now going to light up the conference with 200 TDs and 20,000 yds this year! The spread is awesome!"

[Don Unverferth]

True, the kid does have talent, to some degree. But back during the recruitment of TP, a lot of us just assumed he could pass, I certainly did. When tUOS trolls keep harping on "RR wanted him" and "Michigan fans wanted him", that is not entirely true - we wanted what we THOUGHT he was, not what he is - a stiff who can either throw an incomplete pass or scramble.

You guys can kid yourself all you'd like, but with the talent he had surrounding him at OL, RB, WR, etc., he should not have sucked as badly as he did against USC, Purdue, PSU, and Texas. Hell, he could only complete 38% of his passes against the worst Michigan secondary in decades. TP = false advertising.

Anyone who understands young talent knows that Pryor is on a completely different level than most athletically.

His mechanics and decision making needs to improve, sure, but that's what he has the coaches for.

His passing WILL improve. The college football world was excited about Terrelle as a HS player because he was better at what most other qb's could do. However, what separated him even more was the fact that he could do things that most others simply could not do.

The O line will be much improved over last year. Browning is in his natural position now at guard, Boren is a terror, Brewster has a year under his belt now and Adams is coming along nicely. The pieces are in place for Pryor.

[Don Unverferth]

Good analysis, being as UM fans were late in the game to the TP recruiting many of us assummed allot about him. He is very talented but not as much as he was advertised to be.

But the point of this topic still stands. Last season the trolls, NUT in particular, made fun of the spread and said it would never work...repeatedly. Now what is your take on the spread? Does your opinion change merely because your team is going to it? What does that say about a coach who throws his system out the window for one player? Its one thing to adapt your system but to change it completely........can't be good for the recruitment of Montana, isn't he a pocket passer?

SB answered the question in the second post in this thread:


They have been running a version of the spread for years. When Smith was QB, OSU would routinely run 4-5 receiver sets. With the inexperience at QB last year and a sub-par O-line the offense was scaled down to more basic sets. OSU won't be running a full blown spread like Um or any other teams do. Tressel is still going to run the ball from the I and run 2 receiver sets. All of this Tressel bashing...what is Um's record against him again?

JT's offense will keep Ohio State in business for the simple reason that it makes our players NFL ready. It offers skills that NFL teams can build on and don't have to scrap when they draft our players. High School players do notice this and it will keep great offensive talent in our program.

[Mich97c]

The O line will be much improved over last year. Browning is in his natural position now at guard, Boren is a terror, Brewster has a year under his belt now and Adams is coming along nicely. The pieces are in place for Pryor.

That's not what we've hearing. Your O-line will be much weaker than last year's and you have no Beanie to mask that. Pryor may fool you with his running skills but containing him and making him throw under pressure will be easy this year. Navy and USC will expose that early on.

[Silver Bullet]

That's not what we've hearing. Your O-line will be much weaker than last year's and you have no Beanie to mask that. Pryor may fool you with his running skills but containing him and making him throw under pressure will be easy this year. Navy and USC will expose that early on.

Navy? Are we talking about OSU or Um? It must be Um because OSU doesn't lose to lesser schools....The O-line will be fine in my opinion. Kickoff is still 4 months away and this line is way ahead of last year's. The left tackle seems to be up in the air, but I look for Adams to claim it by the fall. Shugarts will be back then also, not to mention all the incoming freshmen.

I'm excited about the depth this year and as a Um fan, you should be worried about your own. You will have some returning starters but depth is still going to be an issue for you.

[The Michigan Man]

You will have some returning starters but depth is still going to be an issue for you.

That is a true statement. RR will not have the necessary depth until another 2 recruiting seasons, and will have to make do with the last few classes of guys he inherited from Carr' pro-style offense recruiting. At least I have the maturity to admit it.

[Mich97c]

Navy? Are we talking about OSU or Um? It must be Um because OSU doesn't lose to lesser schools....The O-line will be fine in my opinion. Kickoff is still 4 months away and this line is way ahead of last year's. The left tackle seems to be up in the air, but I look for Adams to claim it by the fall. Shugarts will be back then also, not to mention all the incoming freshmen.

I'm excited about the depth this year and as a Um fan, you should be worried about your own. You will have some returning starters but depth is still going to be an issue for you.

Yep Navy - last year Ohio came in right before the USC game and suprised - this year Navy will pull it off. Then USC will destroy you.

You may have depth but a pile of shit is still shit.

[rickyleach]

No don ,dont try and talk your way out of what all of you ohio state fans have said, the spread will never work and its a rinky dinko ,but now you like it, thats because you dont have a choice, your qb couldnt throw a good pass if he tryed, the only thing he does is run around like some dipshit , plus your genius tressel is coaching him .. What a crock of tressel you guys are, silver puss, and nut both said the spread is dead and it wont work in the big 10. Now look at who is the fooooo.

[Silver Bullet]

Yep Navy - last year Ohio came in right before the USC game and suprised - this year Navy will pull it off. Then USC will destroy you.

You may have depth but a pile of shit is still shit.

Brilliant analysis there guy. It is logical though, 2 completely different teams play each other, a week before OSU plays a team (comprised of totally different players) that beat them last year. OSU doesn't stand a chance!

[Bighouse]

run the spread my ass!!! 2nd quarter in the spring game and it's 3-0. Pryor looks like shit. No flash, no running game. Hell they might lose 4-5 this year....

[Uncle Rico]

Why are you even watching the spring game?

[rickyleach]

The reason why im watching it because im still hung over and have the sshits , and have nothing better to do, even as bad as i feel ,im laughin my ass off..

[Wolvrin704]

SB answered the question in the second post in this thread:



JT's offense will keep Ohio State in business for the simple reason that it makes our players NFL ready. It offers skills that NFL teams can build on and don't have to scrap when they draft our players. High School players do notice this and it will keep great offensive talent in our program.

You guys always have a way to work around the truth.

The truth is while some elements have been used you guys have never been a true spread team. RR is one of the guru's of the spread. Tressel is the guru of TressBall.

Secondly, we have heard repeatedly how the sread would not work in the B10, that its a gimmick, that our players will all end up too hurt to play, etc...

[Mich97c]

Brilliant analysis there guy. It is logical though, 2 completely different teams play each other, a week before OSU plays a team (comprised of totally different players) that beat them last year. OSU doesn't stand a chance!

Didn't know I needed an analysis to predict an upset. Seems like once I do the analysis, there would be no upset.

Which team is comprised of totally different players? USC has their entire o-line, their RB's and most of their receivers coming back along with their D-line and most of their secondary. Even their second string saw action for almost a half against OSU last year - due to the mercy rule.

[Silver Bullet]

Didn't know I needed an analysis to predict an upset. Seems like once I do the analysis, there would be no upset.

Which team is comprised of totally different players? USC has their entire o-line, their RB's and most of their receivers coming back along with their D-line and most of their secondary. Even their second string saw action for almost a half against OSU last year - due to the mercy rule.

I was speaking more to the fact that the your basis for picking Navy over OSU is that OSU didn't play well against Ohio last year and like this year it is a week before the USC game. It seems that outside of any real insight, you are saying that OSU is going to lose to Navy for this reason and this reason alone. If you really think OSU is going to lose than I accept that, but I thought maybe you may be able to say why. Or maybe you're not smart enough to have an educated opinion and instead you prefer to offer up some weak-@ss scheduling theory. Maybe I just gave you too much credit originally....

For USC, replacing a QB that was just drafted in top 5 and losing 4 of their best linebackers, in my mind, is a team that is going to be replacing a lot of talent.

[Mich97c]

I was speaking more to the fact that the your basis for picking Navy over OSU is that OSU didn't play well against Ohio last year and like this year it is a week before the USC game. It seems that outside of any real insight, you are saying that OSU is going to lose to Navy for this reason and this reason alone. If you really think OSU is going to lose than I accept that, but I thought maybe you may be able to say why. Or maybe you're not smart enough to have an educated opinion and instead you prefer to offer up some weak-@ss scheduling theory. Maybe I just gave you too much credit originally....

For USC, replacing a QB that was just drafted in top 5 and losing 4 of their best linebackers, in my mind, is a team that is going to be replacing a lot of talent.

Quit being an asshole. My point is your team is young and I feel they'll get caught looking ahead to a game people will be talking about as it a good early season match up. By definition an upset is one people don’t see coming. I know nothing about Navy other than this will be a big game for them and they’re going with the mission to win. That’s it – no other insight is required.

And USC has a stable of linebackers to replace what they lost. In the last 7 years have they produced a bad quarterback? Even their freshman qb Barkley is awesome. With the way their O-line pushed around your defense last year all they need to do is hand off the McKnight or Cable and let your new linebackers try to make a play. I don’t think they’re worried.

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Quit being an asshole. My point is your team is young and I feel they'll get caught looking ahead to a game people will be talking about as it a good early season match up. By definition an upset is one people don’t see coming. I know nothing about Navy other than this will be a big game for them and they’re going with the mission to win. That’s it – no other insight is required.

And USC has a stable of linebackers to replace what they lost. In the last 7 years have they produced a bad quarterback? Even their freshman qb Barkley is awesome. With the way their O-line pushed around your defense last year all they need to do is hand off the McKnight or Cable and let your new linebackers try to make a play. I don’t think they’re worried.

We all know OSU hasn't won a few big games in the last few years...I'll concede that. Let me ask you this: What game has OSU lost, that they should have hands-down won? Of course Um fans know a lot about this so maybe I should trust your instincts...but I just don't see it. Say what you like about Tressel, but he doesn't lose these games. He just doesn't. They may not win a by 30, but they will not lose.

So maybe USC isn't worried, but that would be their mistake. I'm very excited about this team. It takes a few years to see the fruits of a recruiting class and a lot of the speedy/hybrid type defensive players that OSU has recruited lately are ready to contribute. Up front, OSU is going to be a lot tougher and more experienced. Also, Tressel has had time to scheme around Pryor and Pryor has in turn had a full camp as the starter.

[Mich97c]

So maybe USC isn't worried, but that would be their mistake. I'm very excited about this team. It takes a few years to see the fruits of a recruiting class and a lot of the speedy/hybrid type defensive players that OSU has recruited lately are ready to contribute. Up front, OSU is going to be a lot tougher and more experienced. Also, Tressel has had time to scheme around Pryor and Pryor has in turn had a full camp as the starter.

Carroll also has that time and always gets great recruits. Let's just be honest, give Carroll the time to prepare for a big game vs. Tressel the time to prepare you come up with very different results. You might score a touchdown this year though.

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Carroll also has that time and always gets great recruits. Let's just be honest, give Carroll the time to prepare for a big game vs. Tressel the time to prepare you come up with very different results. You might score a touchdown this year though.

I've got news for you, Carroll has about as much to do with the USC's schemes as I do. That guy is a recruiter for a school that basically sells itself. Good burn though. Think Um will be able to make it through this year without losing to any non-BCS schools? Here's a question: Which is more likely to happen, OSU losing to Navy or Um losing to whichever Michigan directional school they play this year?

[Mich97c]

I've got news for you, Carroll has about as much to do with the USC's schemes as I do. That guy is a recruiter for a school that basically sells itself. Good burn though. Think Um will be able to make it through this year without losing to any non-BCS schools? Here's a question: Which is more likely to happen, OSU losing to Navy or Um losing to whichever Michigan directional school they play this year?

uh, I'll take the navy upset although this is tough questions. Anyways:

Carroll lost one coordinator I believe. You guys kept all yours. USC assistants make double what your's does - the open market usually keeps these salaries consistent with their talent.

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uh, I'll take the navy upset although this is tough questions. Anyways:

Carroll lost one coordinator I believe. You guys kept all yours. USC assistants make double what your's does - the open market usually keeps these salaries consistent with their talent.

What does pay scale of assistant coaches have to do with anything? What are you talking about?

[Mich97c]

What does pay scale of assistant coaches have to do with anything? What are you talking about?

I was assuming that your reference to Caroll not having anything to do with USC's schemes meant his assistants were responsible. My point was that since his play callers made more money, they were better. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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I was assuming that your reference to Caroll not having anything to do with USC's schemes meant his assistants were responsible. My point was that since his play callers made more money, they were better. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I see. I guess that would make sense since they have a lot of responsibility. I'm not saying that Carroll isn't a winning coach or not a great recruiter, it's obvious that he is. I think their high pay reflects that they are really the ones working the schemes week-in and week-out. They also are paid a lot to keep them from jumping ship. USC assistants are a hot commodity. I've said it a million times though..if Carroll wasn't in a talent rich state that also happens to be one of the most beautiful places in America than he would be an average coach at best. He wins because his players, from top to bottom are that much better than any other team in college football. Look at his pro resume. On a level playing field he's terrible.

[Mich97c]

I see. I guess that would make sense since they have a lot of responsibility. I'm not saying that Carroll isn't a winning coach or not a great recruiter, it's obvious that he is. I think their high pay reflects that they are really the ones working the schemes week-in and week-out. They also are paid a lot to keep them from jumping ship. USC assistants are a hot commodity. I've said it a million times though..if Carroll wasn't in a talent rich state that also happens to be one of the most beautiful places in America than he would be an average coach at best. He wins because his players, from top to bottom are that much better than any other team in college football. Look at his pro resume. On a level playing field he's terrible.

I believe he deserves some credit - USC had coaches who couldn't win with CA talent through the 80's and 90's - some with impressive pro resumes. That being said, you concluded he has the best players from top to bottom, their assistants are hot commodities and they win big games. So how do you jusitify OSU beating them? To me, with OSU having the same coordinators means he'll have the same game plan as always.

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I believe he deserves some credit - USC had coaches who couldn't win with CA talent through the 80's and 90's - some with impressive pro resumes. That being said, you concluded he has the best players from top to bottom, their assistants are hot commodities and they win big games. So how do you jusitify OSU beating them? To me, with OSU having the same coordinators means he'll have the same game plan as always.

Like I said, OSU has a lot of new faces this year. I look at it like this: OSU lost a lot of people, but I think it may be to the benefit of the team. Tressel is ultra-loyal and in some instances the best talent isn't on the field if their is an upperclassman ahead of him. I think USC lost a lot of players and those losses are going to hurt USC because of how crucial they were to USC's success. Who knows, maybe the OSU's game plans were good, they just didn't execute. The good news is that the talent is there for OSU this year and I'm not one that gets overly optimistic....but they are going to be good. If this team sputters it will be because of coaching and Tressel will be forced to make changes.

The thing Carroll does well is keep the kids he wants in state and is able to cherrypick talent from around the country. He is VERY good at that. That may explain the dropoff when he wasn't at USC in the 80's and 90's.

[BBA1994]

Like I said, OSU has a lot of new faces this year. I look at it like this: OSU lost a lot of people, but I think it may be to the benefit of the team. Tressel is ultra-loyal and in some instances the best talent isn't on the field if their is an upperclassman ahead of him. I think USC lost a lot of players and those losses are going to hurt USC because of how crucial they were to USC's success. Who knows, maybe the OSU's game plans were good, they just didn't execute. The good news is that the talent is there for OSU this year and I'm not one that gets overly optimistic....but they are going to be good. If this team sputters it will be because of coaching and Tressel will be forced to make changes.

The thing Carroll does well is keep the kids he wants in state and is able to cherrypick talent from around the country. He is VERY good at that. That may explain the dropoff when he wasn't at USC in the 80's and 90's.

You're a retard. Carroll is a phenomenal coach, particularly at in-game adjustments. Last year during the first half TP had a bunch of big gains with his legs. During the half-time interview Carroll said they would make some adjustments and get that fixed which is exactly what they did. Of course that's called coaching. Did I mention that you're a retard?

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You're a retard. Carroll is a phenomenal coach, particularly at in-game adjustments. Last year during the first half TP had a bunch of big gains with his legs. During the half-time interview Carroll said they would make some adjustments and get that fixed which is exactly what they did. Of course that's called coaching. Did I mention that you're a retard?

Wow. He is a genius. Going in to halftime the head coach said they were going to make some adjustments. Amazing job there. That is different from any coach's halftime interview that I'd ever seen. Apparantly every coach ever is phenomenal in your eyes? And I'm the retard eh? Is that because I'm able to have a discussion without being juvenile?

[BBA1994]

Wow. He is a genius. Going in to halftime the head coach said they were going to make some adjustments. Amazing job there. That is different from any coach's halftime interview that I'd ever seen. Apparantly every coach ever is phenomenal in your eyes? And I'm the retard eh? Is that because I'm able to have a discussion without being juvenile?

No you're just a retard cuz of the spew that you type. That and you probably look like Corky.

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No you're just a retard cuz of the spew that you type. That and you probably look like Corky.

Oh I get. Zing!

[Mich97c]

Like I said, OSU has a lot of new faces this year. I look at it like this: OSU lost a lot of people, but I think it may be to the benefit of the team. Tressel is ultra-loyal and in some instances the best talent isn't on the field if their is an upperclassman ahead of him. I think USC lost a lot of players and those losses are going to hurt USC because of how crucial they were to USC's success. Who knows, maybe the OSU's game plans were good, they just didn't execute. The good news is that the talent is there for OSU this year and I'm not one that gets overly optimistic....but they are going to be good. If this team sputters it will be because of coaching and Tressel will be forced to make changes.

The thing Carroll does well is keep the kids he wants in state and is able to cherrypick talent from around the country. He is VERY good at that. That may explain the dropoff when he wasn't at USC in the 80's and 90's.

Why would Tressel not play the best player at a given position - just out of loyality? That doesn't hold true since he played Pryor. I think it's because they weren't as good as the seniors you lost. USC lost only two off their offense - sure Sanchez was good but they always put out good QB's. I remember this time last year OSU fans were saying Sanchez was going to get rattled under the pressure, he wasn't proven etc. Good thing is this will be settled on the field.

[Mich97c]

And I'm sticking with my Navy upset.

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And I'm sticking with my Navy upset.

That's fine. Why? Are there schematic reasons or is it because they play USC the week after?

[Mich97c]

That's fine. Why? Are there schematic reasons or is it because they play USC the week after?

Option 2. Just got a feeling.

I know nothing about Navy - are they the ones that run the wishbone? Or am I thinking of GA Tech.

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Option 2. Just got a feeling.

I know nothing about Navy - are they the ones that run the wishbone? Or am I thinking of GA Tech.

I think you're right. OSU's D-line and new backers are going to be tested early. If OSU gets up by 2 touchdowns it's over.

[bigboyBlue]

Option 2. Just got a feeling.

I know nothing about Navy - are they the ones that run the wishbone? Or am I thinking of GA Tech.

Both probably, Navy's coach left to take the HC job at GA Tech if I remember correctly.

[Mich97c]

I just googled Navy (I've been on a conference call all day and it's f-ing boring). Turns out they just met Obama - maybe his luck will rub off on them!

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I just googled Navy (I've been on a conference call all day and it's f-ing boring). Turns out they just met Obama - maybe his luck will rub off on them!

They are going to need a lot more than luck. Maybe he gave them the launch codes and the coordinates for Columbus.

[Mich97c]

They are going to need a lot more than luck. Maybe he gave them the launch codes and the coordinates for Columbus.

Coordinates - just follow the smell!