Swine Flu

[Bighouse]

Are we blowing this out of proportion? Is it man made? I believe it is......3 different viruses in one flu.....unheard of. Just want to see 1 more michigan football season before I die. :)

[Uncle Rico]

If you get swine flu from eating bacon..................I'm going to die soon!! :p

[bigboyBlue]

Are we blowing this out of proportion? Is it man made? I believe it is......3 different viruses in one flu.....unheard of. Just want to see 1 more michigan football season before I die. :)

Quite possible its from a lab somewhere (in Mexico though?), all it takes is one careless grad student. Its interesting all the Americans who have it have recovered while plenty of people in Mexico have died. Maybe its not as virulent but just needs basic medical attention.

[Medic]

Or maybe our un-nationalized health care system attends to people better than those getting ill in Mexico :D

By the way there's only 2,000 cases worldwide. The media has nothing else to report on. I'm sure the administration will make hay of the situation to get their HHS appointment into office. Never waste a good crisis! (even if its manufactured).

[bigboyBlue]

Never waste a good crisis! (even if its manufactured).

Didn't quite catch that, what about WMDs in Iraq now?

[bluefan]

Didn't quite catch that, what about WMDs in Iraq now?

So Bush does it and it's okay?

[bigboyBlue]

So Bush does it and it's okay?

No, I was just going with my knee jerk reaction, everybody does it. Its ok to take credit (Giuliani, Jindal) IF TRUE!

[Medic]

You guys are big fans of ad hominem I see.

[Bighouse]

Now the low flying plane in NY? What the hell is going on here? Is our government this dumb? Something behind the scenes is going on here for sure! I don't trust them..

[bluefan]

Now the low flying plane in NY? What the hell is going on here? Is our government this dumb? Something behind the scenes is going on here for sure! I don't trust them..

Ya' think? The most liberal and socialist piece of shit this country's ever had the misfortune of seeing is riding us hell bent into communism. I'd say "I don't trust them" is pretty much the understatement of the post ice age.

[The Michigan Man]

The media rabidly inflates anything that can sell papers by inducing panic. Global warming fairy tales, shark attacks, school shootings, etc. make great headlines, but are statistically insignificant and have no effect on most Americans.

Actually, I'm surprised that there aren't more of these nasty epidemics / pandemics, with all of the flights coming in and out of 3rd world countries that have reasonable hygiene standards and vaccinations.

[osusteve]

Unfortunately, our leaders incite the same panic and fear.

Prior to our invasion of Iraq, Bush's administration spoke about what all the "evil doers" could wreak on us. Sadaam has chemical weapons, biological weapons, nuclear weopons, sarin nerve gas, vh nerve gas, anthrax, mobile labs, and watch out for that mighty mushroom cloud that will descend upon us! The politics of fear...

[michAGAIN]

Clues to the origins of the swine flu from 1OSUNUT's home videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tCsOCeWvP0

[The Michigan Man]

Unfortunately, our leaders incite the same panic and fear.

Prior to our invasion of Iraq, Bush's administration spoke about what all the "evil doers" could wreak on us. Sadaam has chemical weapons, biological weapons, nuclear weopons, sarin nerve gas, vh nerve gas, anthrax, mobile labs, and watch out for that mighty mushroom cloud that will descend upon us! The politics of fear...

So what exactly killed those Kurds in Iraq back 1988? Saddam had some nasty shit - the fact that he hid it or got rid of it before the US invaded doesn't matter (I refrained from posting pictures, but there are pictures of the Kurds curled up like dead insects following this attack, which was clearly a use of WMD):

The Halabja poison gas attack occurred in the period 16–17 March 1988, during the Iran-Iraq War. Chemical weapons (CW) were used by the Iraqi government forces in the Iraqi Kurdish town of Halabja, killing thousands of people, most of them civilians (3,200-5,000 dead on the spot and 7,000-10,000 injured). Thousands more died of horrific complications, diseases, and birth defects in the years after the attack.

The incident, which Human Rights Watch (HRW) defined as an act of genocide, was as of 2009 the largest-scale chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history

The gas attack began early in the evening of 16 March 1988, after a series of napalm and rocket attacks, when a group of up to 20 Iraqi MiG and Mirage aircraft began dropping chemical bombs. According to pro-Iranian Kurdish commanders in Halabja, there were up to 14 aircraft sorties, with seven to eight planes in each group. Iraqi helicopters coordinating the operation were also seen. Eyewitnesses have told of clouds of smoke billowing upward "white, black and then yellow"', rising as a column about 150 feet (46 meters) in the air.Survivors said the gas at first scented with the smell of sweet apples.

The attack involved multiple chemical agents, including mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, soman, tabun and VX. Some sources have also pointed to the blood agent hydrogen cyanide. The survivors said people died in a number of ways, suggesting a combination of toxic chemicals: some "just dropped dead" while others "died of laughing"; still others took a few minutes to die, first "burning and blistering" or coughing up green vomit.Most of the wounded taken to hospitals in the Iranian capital Tehran were suffering from mustard gas exposure.

[RichRodriguez]

i have all the symptoms except Diahrea and a fever :( I go to the doctor tomorrow. Got sick while on vacation in Myrtle Beach

[Mich97c]

i have all the symptoms except Diahrea and a fever :( I go to the doctor tomorrow. Got sick while on vacation in Myrtle Beach

Hope you feel better. If you do have it can you send me a vile? They said we would have stay home from work for 8 days.

[The Michigan Man]

Whether this is a legitimate "pandemic" or not, I do applaud the visibility that the origin of this illness is getting. Illegal immigration is more than just a labor/economic issue, it is a huge public welfare issue as well. Allowing illegals to pass freely in and out of the country can cause an otherwise containable outbreak to spread unchecked.

[RealSchool]

So what exactly killed those Kurds in Iraq back 1988? Saddam had some nasty shit - the fact that he hid it or got rid of it before the US invaded doesn't matter (I refrained from posting pictures, but there are pictures of the Kurds curled up like dead insects following this attack, which was clearly a use of WMD):

The Halabja poison gas attack occurred in the period 16–17 March 1988, during the Iran-Iraq War. Chemical weapons (CW) were used by the Iraqi government forces in the Iraqi Kurdish town of Halabja, killing thousands of people, most of them civilians (3,200-5,000 dead on the spot and 7,000-10,000 injured). Thousands more died of horrific complications, diseases, and birth defects in the years after the attack.

The incident, which Human Rights Watch (HRW) defined as an act of genocide, was as of 2009 the largest-scale chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history

The gas attack began early in the evening of 16 March 1988, after a series of napalm and rocket attacks, when a group of up to 20 Iraqi MiG and Mirage aircraft began dropping chemical bombs. According to pro-Iranian Kurdish commanders in Halabja, there were up to 14 aircraft sorties, with seven to eight planes in each group. Iraqi helicopters coordinating the operation were also seen. Eyewitnesses have told of clouds of smoke billowing upward "white, black and then yellow"', rising as a column about 150 feet (46 meters) in the air.Survivors said the gas at first scented with the smell of sweet apples.

The attack involved multiple chemical agents, including mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, soman, tabun and VX. Some sources have also pointed to the blood agent hydrogen cyanide. The survivors said people died in a number of ways, suggesting a combination of toxic chemicals: some "just dropped dead" while others "died of laughing"; still others took a few minutes to die, first "burning and blistering" or coughing up green vomit.Most of the wounded taken to hospitals in the Iranian capital Tehran were suffering from mustard gas exposure.



Hey king of the copy and paste, if you have all the answers where are the WMD's now?

[michAGAIN]

Whether this is a legitimate "pandemic" or not, I do applaud the visibility that the origin of this illness is getting. Illegal immigration is more than just a labor/economic issue, it is a huge public welfare issue as well. Allowing illegals to pass freely in and out of the country can cause an otherwise containable outbreak to spread unchecked.

Michigan Man - please rest easy and don't worry about the borders. Your intellectual Vice Prez Biden told interviewers on morning news shows that shutting down America's borders would be far more complicated — and would carry potentially great consequences — than simpler steps like closing schools and canceling or postponing public meetings. Biden is sooooooooo intelligent that I would take his advice. Never mind that -- In a Sept. 22, 2008, CBS interview, Biden misspoke when he said Franklin D. Roosevelt was president when the stock market crashed in 1929.
"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened," Biden said. The only problem was that in reality Herbert Hoover -- not Roosevelt -- was president in 1929, and television had not yet been invented in 1929.

[The Michigan Man]

Hey king of the copy and paste, if you have all the answers where are the WMD's now?

Sorry dude, next time I reply to a thread on a sports web page, I'll engage in 2-3 years of investigative journalism, invest tens of thousands of dollars to compile my own statistics, and write a well researched article instead of copying and pasting.

It is intellectually lazy and dishonest to deny the existance of WMDs in Iraq because they weren't found during the invasion, given the irrefutable evidence of their existance based upon their blatant use to kill thousands of Kurds. Or do you fail to recognize that the attack happened in 1988 because you didn't actually smell the corpses rotting?

If I put a bullet in somebody and then got rid of the weapon, does that mean that the victim was never actually shot? Try to debate from a position of honesty and maturity.

[RealSchool]

"It is intellectually lazy and dishonest to deny the existance of WMDs in Iraq because they weren't found during the invasion, given the irrefutable evidence of their existance based upon their blatant use to kill thousands of Kurds. Or do you fail to recognize that the attack happened in 1988 because you didn't actually smell the corpses rotting?"


Simple question, where are they now? Inspectors, satelite images, and our U.S. military have failed to find one single WMD. We were told stock piles exisited. IMO I think they were destroyed in the first Gulf War and Saddam kept up the illuision he still had them to keep Iran at bay.

My favorite quote ever is that republican's thought WMD's existed because they kept the sales receipts. How soon we forget in this country that not only did our past actions and funding make Saddam stronger (war vs Iran) but also helped fund what was to be Al Queda during the war with the Soviet Union.

[RealSchool]

Donald: Hello Mr. President how did you enjoy your latest shipment of WMD's

Saddam: Oh yes very nice, me like a lot me killed lot's of my own people

Donald: HA HA I will pretend I didn't hear that. When can we send you more?

[The Michigan Man]

Simple question, where are they now? Inspectors, satelite images, and our U.S. military have failed to find one single WMD. We were told stock piles exisited. IMO I think they were destroyed in the first Gulf War and Saddam kept up the illuision he still had them to keep Iran at bay.

My favorite quote ever is that republican's thought WMD's existed because they kept the sales receipts. How soon we forget in this country that not only did our past actions and funding make Saddam stronger (war vs Iran) but also helped fund what was to be Al Queda during the war with the Soviet Union.

The final disposition of the WMDs? Only Saddam and his inner circle know. Hussein is the one who chose to play games with weapons inspectors, maintaining the facade that he still had them in order to intimidate and bully. If he would have been totally forthright and allowed unlimited inspections, he would have spared himself and his regime. Bush called his bluff, and that's why Hussein ended up being dragged out of a hole in the dirt and strung up.

As far as America funding eventual enemies, you can trace that back hundreds of years, when the US armed Indians and then turned around and fought wars against them. FDR armed and funded the USSR in WWII, was fond of Stalin (remember, he called him "Uncle Joe"?), and then the country fought a 50 year cold war against them. I'm not saying it is right, but historically this has been going on way before the Bush and Reagan presidencies.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WAi2txkagVM/SX0z5QXRe9I/AAAAAAAAEjE/hfr62jraFS4/s400/fdr_roosevelt_stalin.jpg

[Wolvrin704]

The final disposition of the WMDs? Only Saddam and his inner circle know. Hussein is the one who chose to play games with weapons inspectors, maintaining the facade that he still had them in order to intimidate and bully. If he would have been totally forthright and allowed unlimited inspections, he would have spared himself and his regime. Bush called his bluff, and that's why Hussein ended up being dragged out of a hole in the dirt and strung up.

As far as America funding eventual enemies, you can trace that back hundreds of years, when the US armed Indians and then turned around and fought wars against them. FDR armed and funded the USSR in WWII, was fond of Stalin (remember, he called him "Uncle Joe"?), and then the country fought a 50 year cold war against them. I'm not saying it is right, but historically this has been going on way before the Bush and Reagan presidencies.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WAi2txkagVM/SX0z5QXRe9I/AAAAAAAAEjE/hfr62jraFS4/s400/fdr_roosevelt_stalin.jpg

Its also happened throughout world history with just about every nation, fighting previous allies whom you armed is not uncommon.

[Uncle Rico]

Well said Michigan man. We don't agree on our College football teams, and that's fine, but this is still a free country................ right? Or is it? I am with you and Rickyleach when we talk politics! Pretty scary, :rolleyes:eh?

[Bighouse]

Now the government is getting involved with SPORTS!!!!! Court on having an NCAA playoff!! What the hell is going on in this country.....They are taking over.