Obama & Iran

[Mike Furley]

What are your thoughts on the situation in Iran and what do you think of the way President Obama is handling it?

Today our president made a statement in support of the protesters.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0609/Obama_calls_on_Iran_to_stop_all_violent_and_unjust _actions.html

[michAGAIN]

It is important for everyone in the West to understand what kind of a brutal, repressive regime is currently in power in Iran. It is essentially a military dictatorship whose soul is a 7th century extremist interpretation of Islam. It will soon have nuclear weapon capability and a network of power that is already fueled by billions in oil revenue. It does not want, nor does it understand democracy and freedom. To add to its ascent as an evil empire, it also has the weakest and least experienced American president in modern history.
(in addition: it is horrific but to remind yourself what freedom is, click a few places on youtube and watch the Iranian regime murder its own citizens in the streets of Tehran. It is a sobering sight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbdEf0QRsLM

[Wolvrin704]

Well in this case I do wish Obama the best and I hope he lives up to the hype. He is really caught between a rock and hard spot with this one and NK, especially since he said at the beginning of his term and during the campaign that he would sit down with them and open up dialogue and they would be able to resolve their differences. Now he is faced with the reality of the situation in particular being as they are not only countries led by demigod loonies but in that they are quasi-nuclear powers now.

The issue is that he has backed himself into a corner by trying to open up relations with Iran. Give the protestors too much support and relations with the gov't will never materialize. Don't support them enough and they are most likely going to fail and in the slight chance they are successful they may resent the token of support. Not a good position to be in. But I'm sure as usual Obama will twist in the wind first going one direction and then another always saying the current course is the one he has been on the entire time.

My guess is that within a week or so the oppostion leader will be dead or taken into custody. If he dies it will be due to pro-gov't protestors who will be allowed to break into the residence and the police will say they couldn't stop them. Either way Iran will be creating a martyr but they'll probably choose a dead one over a live one. This will not end well.

[gator]

I don't want to sound like a hot-head or warmonger here, but I think we all see the writing on the wall.....it's just that nobody wants to say it, including myself. For the security of our nation, I think our only option is a hardline on stopping their nuclear proliferation. We know that they don't care about democracy or freedom (look at this election and how the protesters have been treated), and they can't stand the US or Israel. The bottom line is that these guys cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons. Anyone who believes talking will do any good with these people is completely naive, IMO. Sometimes in history, there are just people that are hellbent on an agenda that doesn't seem to make sense to rest of the civilized world. Honestly, could Hitler have been talked down? The only talking he seemed to understand was the anihilation of his army and an Allied invasion of Berlin.

On the brink of nuclear capability, would anyone really disagree that Iran poses a greater threat now than Iraq ever really did? I think we have to start giving serious ultimatums for Iran to stop their nuclear program. If they don't, they should face economic sanctions and potentially invasion and destruction of their nuclear facilities by us and any allies we can get together. All I know is that I would rather have a conflict with pre-nuclear Iran than post-nuclear Iran. I honestly don't think Obama would get that much resistance on this issue from conservatives that understand this action may be necessary. Hell, he might even pick up support. He may alienate his base, but at least they could feel more justified in this war than the one in Iraq. At any rate, I've always thought the tough decisions should be based on principle and common sense rather than a popularity poll. That's my two cents anyway.

[rickyleach]

just give obama some time ,he will fuuck up everything. does he even know where iran is .

[zilla]

"On the brink of nuclear capability, would anyone really disagree that Iran poses a greater threat now than Iraq ever really did?"


No brainer question of the week. The thing you need to remember, however; is that attacking Iran pisses off China. And we all know the influence China now has over us.

[Medic]

I am strangely ambivalent towards this whole matter of Obama needing to send a message to Iran. To what outcome exactly?

The U.S. making an official response could be all the ammo Azmenewhackjob needs to crackdown on the protesters. Oh wait, that just happened. The election is largely symbolic in nature anyway. All the power in Iran flows from the council, this election is for nothing more than a figurehead.

While it's interesting to watch, either way you're probably still getting a leader who will encourage the development of nuclear weapons and wants Israel gone. I don't really see how Obama speaking out on either side of this issue makes any difference really. The GOP insistence on "making a statement" seems largely like posturing to me.

[michAGAIN]

OK, enough is enough with our changing world. While America adopts a European socialism, the French are adopting the values of the good 'ol USA when we used to stand up for what is right ---

In today's news: President Nicolas Sarkozy said the Muslim burqa would not be welcome in France, calling the full-body religious gown a sign of the "debasement" of women. "In our country, we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity," Sarkozy said to extended applause at the Chateau of Versailles, southwest of Paris.
"The burqa is not a religious sign, it's a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement — I want to say it solemnly," he said. "It will not be welcome on the territory of the French Republic."

[zilla]

But what if they want to actually wear it michAGAIN? Should the government be in the business of telling people what to wear?

[gator]

I am strangely ambivalent towards this whole matter of Obama needing to send a message to Iran. To what outcome exactly?

The U.S. making an official response could be all the ammo Azmenewhackjob needs to crackdown on the protesters. Oh wait, that just happened. The election is largely symbolic in nature anyway. All the power in Iran flows from the council, this election is for nothing more than a figurehead.

While it's interesting to watch, either way you're probably still getting a leader who will encourage the development of nuclear weapons and wants Israel gone. I don't really see how Obama speaking out on either side of this issue makes any difference really. The GOP insistence on "making a statement" seems largely like posturing to me.

I agree that Obama picking sides in that election means shit....either way. It's all about the nukes...either way. We can hold ourselves to nuclear disarmament, but we can't take a solid stance against other nations seeking nuclear proliferation (even crazy ass ones)? That speech in Cairo was the definition of appeasement. Also,when did it become taboo to advocate democracy? I know the election in Iran was for a figurehead, and the outcome is really irrelevant in terms of the worldview. However, I do believe the protesters in Iran are craving for some semblance of freedom. Without a free and fair election process, the Iranian people will never have a voice. Hence, there should be no problem with Obama saying that we hope for a fair election process in Iran and that it will someday evolve into elections for the true leaders of that country. Further, I don't think he should stay silent when people, protesting against a rigged election (and fairly peaceably from what I could tell), are just mowed down in the street. I'm certainly not advocating going to war over this election, but our stance should be fairly easy to determine. Likewise, it should be easy to take a stance on their nuclear program...over which war may be necessary. If we are tiptoeing around them now, what are we going to do when they are a nuclear power?

I'm just dissapointed that people in our government so rarely take a stance on principle anymore. Of course, that comes from long-breeding lines of politicians whose primary concern is getting reelected (shameless plug for term limits here). Heck, even when I disagree with a politician, I at least have respect for someone that comes out and says this is what I want, this is what I believe. "He/she is a moderate" is just a euphemism for snake-in-the-grass asshole. "Moderate" doesn't mean someone that has both liberal and conservative views anymore; it means they won't tell you what they believe. That's why I dislike Obama so much. When he got elected, I didn't even know what he stood for other than hope and change. Now that he's in power, we're seeing some of the most underhanded, backdoor manuevers ever to get a government more in line with his thinking: government controlled industy, government controlled income, and government controlled healthcare (and one can only hope for government controlled media at some point). Why so covert? They have all the votes they need in Congress to get almost anything passed. Once again though, they can't hold true to their principles. For example, dems want to pass a national healthcare plan so badly, but its chilly reception has them wavering. Nothing is done on principle anymore or out in the open where we can see who is for what. Instead, we get some slippery slope where we see some new czar getting appointed every week, whose sole purpose is usurping the powers of Congress. Sometimes I just wish these politicians would grow a damn backbone and push Obama's shit through, so we could go ahead get it all out on the table. If we're going to adopt European socialism, let's get on with it. If his plans are so great, then I guess we'll just be living in a Utopia (albeit a bankrupted one). If it works for us about like it did for Europe, we'll get on the road to recovery that much quicker and we won't see a democratic congress for a good 20 years. I guess my point is let's elect some damn people that have a backbone....that is if we actually get a choice for one.

[The Michigan Man]

. I guess my point is let's elect some damn people that have a backbone....that is if we actually get a choice for one.

Well, we did have a President with a backbone who wasn't afraid to act against tyranny - and the guy has was lambasted and ridiculed for it for 6-7 years.

The last thing Iran is worried about is America invading; their dictator has witnessed the public outcry against the war in Iraq and isn't losing sleep, knowing that we don't have the will and fortitude to engage in another war. The hand-wringing pacifist protesters now run the country, in both the White House and Congress. It looks like we'll probably have to have Israel do our dirty work again.

[zilla]

"Well, we did have a President with a backbone who wasn't afraid to act against tyranny - and the guy has was lambasted and ridiculed for it for 6-7 years."


You are such a joke. The American people are pissed because no WMD's were found and no link to Al Queda. Keep trying to pass the lie that the war was about acting against tyranny and someday you might actually convince yourself. What a joke!

[gator]

Well, well....Obama actually took a decent stance on the Iranian election in his speech today. Good for him. Let's see how the rest of this speech goes.

[gator]

Well, well....Obama actually took a decent stance on the Iranian election in his speech today. Good for him. Let's see how the rest of this speech goes.

Well, that whole thing about being consistent on Iran was a little flakey. I like the new tougher stand though.

On a side note, after that press conference, is there any doubt that Obama still lights it up a few times a day. Almost makes him human.

[The Michigan Man]

You are such a joke. The American people are pissed because no WMD's were found and no link to Al Queda. Keep trying to pass the lie that the war was about acting against tyranny and someday you might actually convince yourself. What a joke!

"You are such a joke" - way to display the emotional maturity of a ten year old.


Whether WMDs were found or not is irrelevant. Hussein spent years harassing, obstructing, and finally expelling the UN weapons inspectors. No one knew what he had, and why would he behave as if he had WMD when he had nothing?

Regardless, Hussein gambled and Bush called his bluff. Shortly thereafter, his murderous sons were dead and dad was dangling from the end of a rope. So sad - you probably cried for days, as you liberals have never met a tyrant that you weren't enamored with.


Well, that whole thing about being consistent on Iran was a little flakey. I like the new tougher stand though.

On a side note, after that press conference, is there any doubt that Obama still lights it up a few times a day. Almost makes him human.

Major Garrett: "In your opening remarks, sir, you said about Iran that you were appalled and outraged. What took you so long?"

Beautiful! The brave people who are dying in Iran were probably wondering the same thing.

[zilla]

"Whether WMDs were found or not is irrelevant."


Once again keep telling yourself that, and maybe you will believe your own lies. Hopefully as well the Republicans will keep your world view and keep me secure in the fact they will contunue to lose elections.

"as you liberals have never met a tyrant that you weren't enamored with."

And you Republican's have not met a tyrant you weren't willing to give money to. Should I post again the photo of your good friend Donald shaking hands with Saddam? Oh yeah in your world view he wasn't a tyrant then but a buddy. At the same time he was killing his own people your fool Reagan was handing him millions.

[The Michigan Man]

"Whether WMDs were found or not is irrelevant."


Once again keep telling yourself that, and maybe you will believe your own lies. Hopefully as well the Republicans will keep your world view and keep me secure in the fact they will contunue to lose elections.

"as you liberals have never met a tyrant that you weren't enamored with."

And you Republican's have not met a tyrant you weren't willing to give money to. Should I post again the photo of your good friend Donald shaking hands with Saddam? Oh yeah in your world view he wasn't a tyrant then but a buddy. At the same time he was killing his own people your fool Reagan was handing him millions.

Supporting the enemy of your enemy is something that American polititicans have been doing since this country was founded. Remember that cuddly, lovable "Uncle Joe" (as called by FDR) Stalin that FDR gushed over and sent $$ and arms to? FDR, yes, that hardcore Republican...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WAi2txkagVM/SX0z5QXRe9I/AAAAAAAAEjE/hfr62jraFS4/s400/fdr_roosevelt_stalin.jpg

[zilla]

Just because our leaders support tyrants does not make it right, nor does it give you the right to say liberals are enamored with them when Republican's are no better.

[The Michigan Man]

Just because our leaders support tyrants does not make it right, nor does it give you the right to say liberals are enamored with them when Republican's are no better.

Sorry, I was out of line to say that liberals were enamored with tyrants...


http://images.politico.com/global/news/090418_obama_chavez_lead-1.jpg

[michAGAIN]

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea threatened Wednesday to wipe the United States off the map.

This kinda pi**es me off. We are on course to kick the Buckeyes a** this fall and now I find out our country is not even gonna be here anymore. I guess I'll sell my tickets.

[BBA1994]

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea threatened Wednesday to wipe the United States off the map.

This kinda pi**es me off. We are on course to kick the Buckeyes a** this fall and now I find out our country is not even gonna be here anymore. I guess I'll sell my tickets.

This is getting ridiculous. Kim Jong Il is getting crazier by the day. I'm no politician nor do I have any political savvy with ideas to resolve this peacefully, but it sounds like it may be time to handle this crisis with NK forcefully. This threat goes way beyond what I believe the US' tolerance level should be. Mess with the bull, get the horns.

[zilla]

Shall we continue?

[The Michigan Man]

Shall we continue?

Absolutely.

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv78/perryscave/politics/obama-bow.jpg

Why is Barry Hussein bowing to a sheik? Hmmm...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/02/25/0225_obamaturban_460x276.jpg

[zilla]

He was slapping a fly.

[gator]

That last pic of Barry Hussein kind of makes it hard to believe he isn't a Muslim. Kind of surprised he didn't use that pic in his presidential campaign.:D

[Mich97c]

That last pic of Barry Hussein kind of makes it hard to believe he isn't a Muslim. Kind of surprised he didn't use that pic in his presidential campaign.:D

Was that muslim or was he dressed as one of the bad guys in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

[byebyelloyd]

Was that muslim or was he dressed as one of the bad guys in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

he was the one in the movie that ripped the still beating heart out of the U.S. workforce while thousands of liberal jackasses bowed down and tried to murder anyone who could see through his lies, right?