As the QB Search Turns

[Wolvrin704]

Saw this in the Enquirer the other day and just remembered to post it. Looks like the Buckeyes have been turned down by yet another QB prospect, Moeller product Andrew Hendrix.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20090625/SPT0301/306250027/


Moeller senior quarterback Andrew Hendrix has orally committed to play at Notre Dame.


Hendrix, who is 6-3 and 220 pounds, is back in Cincinnati after returning from South Bend about 6:30 p.m. Wednesday.


"It's definitely been pretty cool to tell everyone you are going to Notre Dame," Hendrix said. "My phone has been ringing off the hook."

Hendrix said he stayed with Notre Dame tight end Kyle Rudolph (Elder) in South Bend. Elder senior TE Alex Welch was also at the campus.
Hendrix, one of the nation’s top-rated pro style quarterbacks by Rivals.com, had more than a dozen scholarship offers this spring.


Hendrix, who also considered Ohio State, Miami (Fla.) and others said it was honor to consider Ohio State and Notre Dame.


"It was really tough," Hendrix said. "(But) Notre Dame is the right place for me in the end and it's everything I want in a school athletically, academically and religiously."


Hendrix said he was close to the Ohio State coaching staff during the recruiting process and he felt honored to receive an offer from the school. He said he would root for the Buckeyes anytime against anybody except for when it affects Notre Dame.


Hendrix said he's received nothing but positive reviews from his high school coaches and teammates regarding the decision. Hendrix said the pressure of the past few weeks from college coaches and media caused some stress, but he is thankful for the opportunity.


"It is so nice," Hendrix said. "It's a breath of fresh air. I feel like I can be a high school kid."


Hendrix said he will also help influence his peers who might be looking at Ohio State. He said he plans to call St. Xavier OL Matt James around 4:30 or 5 today. "I want to do as much as I can," Hendrix said.
HICKS NARROWS CHOICES: Lakota West senior-to-be linebacker Jordan Hicks has narrowed his college choices (in no particular order) to Florida, Texas, Ohio State, University of Southern California, Alabama and Georgia, he told the Enquirer via phone this morning.


Hicks, who is 6 foot 2 ½ and 222 pounds, is rated the state’s No. 1 recruit in the 2010 class, according to Ohio High Magazine. He is rated No. 16 nationally in his class by Rivals.com.


Contrary to some online published reports, Hicks hasn’t scheduled any official visits.


It is the second time this spring/summer that Hicks has publicly narrowed his list of schools. He had narrowed his list to 16 schools on May 1.

[Mike Furley]

OSU received a qb committment from Kent Graham's kid this past week. Not bragging about this one, just an FYI

[bigboyBlue]

OSU received a qb committment from Kent Graham's kid this past week. Not bragging about this one, just an FYI

Its true, check out this screenshot, the headline of which is also living proof that the Buckeye mods at Rivals are dumbasses.

[Wolvrin704]

OSU received a qb committment from Kent Graham's kid this past week. Not bragging about this one, just an FYI

Well looks like I got owned on this one. But looking at the whole issue they lost out on the #8 and #10 ranked pro-style QB's and get a 2 star kid who is unranked. But at least they did get a QB which was a big need.

[rickyleach]

well atleast tressel can say he got himself a qb that can throw the ball. the kid is probably already better at passing the football then pryor, and you sure as hell no he is smarter..

[RADRACING]

OSU received a qb committment from Kent Graham's kid this past week. Not bragging about this one, just an FYI

FYI it was an ether or - Graham signed to OSU first, that made the other kids decision easy and he went ahead and signed ND, if Pryor works out he should be there for 3 more years anyway with that position tied up. I wouldn't think OSU really would need a QB for a few more years.

[amazinblue]

FYI it was an ether or - Graham signed to OSU first, that made the other kids decision easy and he went ahead and signed ND, if Pryor works out he should be there for 3 more years anyway with that position tied up. I wouldn't think OSU really would need a QB for a few more years.

Rad,

You're so right. Since, after all, QB's never get injured in college. And, since you're so high on the TP bandwagon, I'm just wondering if you think there's anything such as "kryptonite" out that that can damage him. You, and the other Buckeye fans, will find out when you face USC in September.

And, you also assume that TP going to play his senior season. While many others out here insist he's the best player in college football. If that is the case, why won't he leave after his junior "Heisman winning" season?

[Wolvrin704]

FYI it was an ether or - Graham signed to OSU first, that made the other kids decision easy and he went ahead and signed ND, if Pryor works out he should be there for 3 more years anyway with that position tied up. I wouldn't think OSU really would need a QB for a few more years.

Rad, lately you've really been giving meat to many of the others accusations on here of you being an OSU fan and this doesn't help any. Every college team likes to have the better player as their starter and someone else as capable as a backup but who may be a year or 2 younger. Since TP is all that and a can of tuna he is expected to leave after the 2010 season anyways so yes they do need to recruit a top QB for 2010 (to begin training) and so far they are shooting blanks.

[RADRACING]

No way TP leaves early, QB's almost always increase their value by staying an extra year, most QB's aren't ready for the Pro's after college and need all the extra skill set, even though I predict TP as a receiver in the NFL.
Running backs on the other hand have an extra year of wear on their legs and are better to leave, since they don't really need to think that much to play in the NFL. Also a running back can go to the NFL and be really good instantly, I QB that doesn't happen very often.

QB's are a crap shoot even for the NFL draft, hard to tell who is going to work out.

[amazinblue]

No way TP leaves early, QB's almost always increase their value by staying an extra year, most QB's aren't ready for the Pro's after college and need all the extra skill set, even though I predict TP as a receiver in the NFL.
Running backs on the other hand have an extra year of wear on their legs and are better to leave, since they don't really need to think that much to play in the NFL. Also a running back can go to the NFL and be really good instantly, I QB that doesn't happen very often.

QB's are a crap shoot even for the NFL draft, hard to tell who is going to work out.

Rad - you're a complete contradiction - an enigma wrapped in a riddle. You say that "non QB" skill positions can be drafted early, and that QB's should spend an extra year in school. THEN you say that TP won't be drafted as a QB, so - by your own definition (TP drafted as a receiver), TP should leave early.

However, you're using Buckeye logic - TP is a QB in college - stay four or five years, then go to the NFL as a receiver - losing one or two years of "salary making production years". And, yes, I know you've never said that TP is going to stay five years.

[1OSUNUT]

Because of the style QB Pryor is he will be a 4 year college player. He will be a NFL player - but not at QB. Vince Young has ruined it for any spread type QB. Even players like Colt McCoy are going to have a hard time getting drafted high. Tim Tebow is only back at Florida because NOBODY would of drafted him as a QB in this years draft. The teams that wat Tebow want him as a TE or a defensive player. Knowing TP will be in Columbus for 3 more years is scaring kids off Im sure.

[rickyleach]

You posting your sshit is scaring kids off too, pryor cant pass or read defenses ,and you think he is great , what a joke..

[amazinblue]

Because of the style QB Pryor is he will be a 4 year college player. He will be a NFL player - but not at QB. Vince Young has ruined it for any spread type QB. Even players like Colt McCoy are going to have a hard time getting drafted high. Tim Tebow is only back at Florida because NOBODY would of drafted him as a QB in this years draft. The teams that wat Tebow want him as a TE or a defensive player. Knowing TP will be in Columbus for 3 more years is scaring kids off Im sure.

Nut,

You have such immense wisdom. You're completely correct - a QB who has an accurate arm and is mobile will never be drafted or succeed in the NFL. Look at what happened to some of them - Steve Young, Donovan McNabb, Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon - all wasted draft picks. The key in the NFL is this - you must have an accurate arm, and if your legs (and left tackle) can help you avoid the sack - and possibly pick up a yard or two without getting hurt - great.

The issue is that Vince Young is a head case and Troy Smith just isn't that good. Colt McCoy will get drafted - and possibly, drafted higher than TP - since, TP will be playing a position in the NFL that he never played in high school or college - unless, of course, he starts throwing those moonballs to himself.

Tebow will go down in the books as one of the best college QB's. He won't play QB in the NFL - he might be a fullback or TE - who knows - and who cares. I don't harbor any ill will against him, and, it will be interesting to see where he goes in the draft and what position he'll try out for or play in the NFL. And, the reason why teams will take a chance on him - knowing that he won't play QB - is because of his commitment, dedication, and work ethic.

[Wolvrin704]

Because of the style QB Pryor is he will be a 4 year college player. He will be a NFL player - but not at QB. Vince Young has ruined it for any spread type QB. Even players like Colt McCoy are going to have a hard time getting drafted high. Tim Tebow is only back at Florida because NOBODY would of drafted him as a QB in this years draft. The teams that wat Tebow want him as a TE or a defensive player. Knowing TP will be in Columbus for 3 more years is scaring kids off Im sure.

Didn't you claim last year he would be a 3 year player? Most people thought when TP went to school he would be a 3 year player and if he's as good as you guys claim.....

Mobile and accurate QB's are still desired and no Vince Young or Michael Vick is going to change that. Its the fact that they're heads aren't quite screwed on staright and they believe their own press clippings too much. I see many Vicks and VY's in TP.

[Mike Furley]

amazinblue

The key in the NFL is this - you must have an accurate arm, and if your legs (and left tackle) can help you avoid the sack - and possibly pick up a yard or two without getting hurt - great.



If I were an NFL GM, I'd rank them in this order:

1.) Has football smarts; knows where to put the ball, know's when to hang onto it or throw it away, and can audible into the right play

2.) Accurate with the ball; knows where to put the ball doesn't mean much if you frequently miss the mark

3.) Arm strength; can get the ball downfield with zip

4.) Mobility; avoids sacks in the pocket, can extend a play, and can gain positive yards on the ground

5.) Tall; can see over the line of scrimmage.

6.) Leadership qualities; can motivate and elevate the play of those around him


In evaluating Terrell Pryor after his freshman year, I'd say he has already shown he possesses 4, 5, and 6.

For 2 and 3, if he can correct his mechanics he may be able to improve both, although I don't think he can ever achieve top end NFL arm strength, but it could develop to serviceable.

As for number 1, if he has four years starting experience, you'd like to think he can grasp this.

I just don't know if he has the discipline and dedication to work to improve those three things. If he does he will be a top 5 pick. If he doesn't he'll be the next Antwan Randel El of sorts.

[amazinblue]

Furley,

A good list - though, I'd move your number 6 to position 2.

And, I might disagree with how you've rated TP - but, that's what makes a Wolverine a Wolverine, and a Buckeye a Buckeye.

[The Michigan Man]

6.) Leadership qualities; can motivate and elevate the play of those around him

In evaluating Terrell Pryor after his freshman year, I'd say he has already shown he possesses 4, 5, and 6.


I disagree on 6 -leadership is not openly crying on the sidelines after losing.

[Don Unverferth]

I disagree on 6 -leadership is not openly crying on the sidelines after losing.


You're an ugly tool. A lot of pressure for an 18 year old freshman in a big game. He's matured a lot since last year and TP will be a terrific leader.

I'd much rather have emotions channeled that way than attacking a position coach on the sidelines the way UM players did in last years game.

[bluefan]

You're an ugly tool. A lot of pressure for an 18 year old freshman in a big game. He's matured a lot since last year and TP will be a terrific leader.

I'd much rather have emotions channeled that way than attacking a position coach on the sidelines the way UM players did in last years game.

How about attacking each other like the hapless fools did in their debacle against LSU?

[The Michigan Man]

You're an ugly tool. A lot of pressure for an 18 year old freshman in a big game. He's matured a lot since last year and TP will be a terrific leader.

I'd much rather have emotions channeled that way than attacking a position coach on the sidelines the way UM players did in last years game.

mazel tov

Boo-fucking-hoo, the most highly regarded recruit since the dawn of time is facing pressure. Aww.... And you know he has matured in the following 7 months because????

If you want to see an example of how not to "channel emotions", read about TP's antics during his high school team's basketball playoff run during his senior season. He damn near caused his team to forfeit a playoff game - crying and temper tantrums, two qualities that epitomize leadership.

"A horse is a horse, of course, of course..."

[Don Unverferth]

Well looks like I got owned on this one. But looking at the whole issue they lost out on the #8 and #10 ranked pro-style QB's and get a 2 star kid who is unranked. But at least they did get a QB which was a big need.

The Duke (Cutcliffe, Rope), UCLA (Neuheisel, Chow) and ARK (Petrino) offers are very impressive to me. Great evaluators of QB's. If these guys are making Taylor offers, you can bet that he is a very good H.S. QB. Obviously, Coach Tress agrees with their assessment.

Gotta like his tOSU connection and love for the Buckeyes, as well.

[1OSUNUT]

I never said TP was a three year player - that must of been someone else. You will find out how mature TP really was and how well he played once you see Tate play this year. When he costs you games, looks tenative and makes mistakes. It will be a painful but enjoyable lesson.

[rickyleach]

does anyone know when tressel and ohio state won a game that had some meaning... tressel is probably washing the tire truck marks off his forehead, after the last 4 asssssy whoopins, seems to me no qb recruit that is worth 2 cents wants to play for tressel , they all saw how tressel sold out on his ,and these are his words before last season, sr qb with lots of leadership and captain of this team, what was great about that move is it caused them winning against texas and penn/state , thee other game was just one big assssy whoopin.. so i guess pry monkey will have to do it all...

[Wolvrin704]

The Duke (Cutcliffe, Rope), UCLA (Neuheisel, Chow) and ARK (Petrino) offers are very impressive to me. Great evaluators of QB's. If these guys are making Taylor offers, you can bet that he is a very good H.S. QB. Obviously, Coach Tress agrees with their assessment.

Gotta like his tOSU connection and love for the Buckeyes, as well.

Duke, UCLA and Arkansas are impressive? When you wanna make good on your claim to be a top program you may wanna checkin on getting talent being recruited by other top colleges...........c'mon, Duke? With that list its no wonder he chose who he did.

You can sugarcoat it all you like Don but this guy was not in the top 3 on JT's QB wishlist. Those guys all turned OSU down, and now instead of a 4 star guy who can study under TP for a year you'll have a 2 star guy that you hope makes it and if not the pressure will be up next recruiting season to get another QB phenom which isn't likely. You guys have to remember that whoever you get this year will be the heir apparent to TP. Are you that confident in JT's ability to teach a QB? Otherwise in 3 years you'll be in the boat of having a freshman QB again and as you guys like to say TP is a once a century talent so I doubt it'll happen again. And with the most important position on the field (as NUT pointed out in another thread) are you really ready for the next wave of OSU football to be in the hands of a 2 star player? Look at all the QB's we have coming in compared to you guys and which position would you rather be in?

[gator]

Duke, UCLA and Arkansas are impressive? When you wanna make good on your claim to be a top program you may wanna checkin on getting talent being recruited by other top colleges...........c'mon, Duke? With that list its no wonder he chose who he did.

You can sugarcoat it all you like Don but this guy was not in the top 3 on JT's QB wishlist. Those guys all turned OSU down, and now instead of a 4 star guy who can study under TP for a year you'll have a 2 star guy that you hope makes it and if not the pressure will be up next recruiting season to get another QB phenom which isn't likely. You guys have to remember that whoever you get this year will be the heir apparent to TP. Are you that confident in JT's ability to teach a QB? Otherwise in 3 years you'll be in the boat of having a freshman QB again and as you guys like to say TP is a once a century talent so I doubt it'll happen again. And with the most important position on the field (as NUT pointed out in another thread) are you really ready for the next wave of OSU football to be in the hands of a 2 star player? Look at all the QB's we have coming in compared to you guys and which position would you rather be in?

I know you were referring to OSU folks here, so this isn't directly focused on your comment about the "once in a century talent." In fact, this little response is to educate those OSU fans that think they have true find. First, nobody is a once in a century talent. We think we've seen it all until....oooppps, the next big thing. Maybe the closest I can think of is Hershel Walker or Bo Jackson. I mean those guys just stand out as being unbelievable athletes no matter where or when those guys played. Certainly, some other (college) greats come to mind: Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Charles Woodson, Tim Tebow. Of course, to qualify for such a list you have to do something great in some big games or win it all. Sure, Pryor has some wheels but he can't throw and there hasn't been much to indicate anyone is home upstairs. Percy Harvin was fantastic, but I'm glad he wasn't taking every snap for us. Until proven otherwise, Pryor is just another talented dude that won't produce anything of significance for the OSU faithful.

[Wolvrin704]

I know you were referring to OSU folks here, so this isn't directly focused on your comment about the "once in a century talent." In fact, this little response is to educate those OSU fans that think they have true find. First, nobody is a once in a century talent. We think we've seen it all until....oooppps, the next big thing. Maybe the closest I can think of is Hershel Walker or Bo Jackson. I mean those guys just stand out as being unbelievable athletes no matter where or when those guys played. Certainly, some other (college) greats come to mind: Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Charles Woodson, Tim Tebow. Of course, to qualify for such a list you have to do something great in some big games or win it all. Sure, Pryor has some wheels but he can't throw and there hasn't been much to indicate anyone is home upstairs. Percy Harvin was fantastic, but I'm glad he wasn't taking every snap for us. Until proven otherwise, Pryor is just another talented dude that won't produce anything of significance for the OSU faithful.

I should have put it in quotes or something as this is what the OSU guys have previously referred TP to, in particular NUT. Personally I don't think he's that spectacular (other than athletically) but looking at the QB talent that OSU has had over the years he's easily the most talented they have had and getting him has not yet attracted too much other talent. Unlike UM where we previously have had alot of talented QB's and are raking them in yet again.

IMO the upcoming recruiting class is pivotal to having a guy that is talented and able to learn for a year before taking over for TP IF he stays 4 years. Otherwise they're looking at repeating the same cycle they have with TP, getting that talented guy as a freshmen and either being forced to play him due to no one else being there (like UM this year) or the freshmen taking over because the incumbent guy isn't getting it done ala Boeckman (sp?). Even better, are they comfortable with Graham as a starter if TP gets hurt? What if TP gets hurt this year? Do they have a capable backup? Is their young D really good enough to play Tressell ball? Will they be sweating it if TP takes off sprinting and some outside LB buries him and he gets up limping or looking dazed?

Now if TP leaves after 3 years they have Graham coming in as a 2 star (could possibly make it to 3 by end of year) and getting one year of learning before he is the default starter. Are they really happy about this guy being their next starter? The guy will be playing the position that NUT has called the most important on the field. But OSU's woes are UM's gains so I won't be shedding any tears over it.

BTW Gator. TP can't hold Tebow's jockstrap let alone any of the guys you listed who truly were once in a century talents.

[Don Unverferth]

Duke, UCLA and Arkansas are impressive? When you wanna make good on your claim to be a top program you may wanna checkin on getting talent being recruited by other top colleges...........c'mon, Duke? With that list its no wonder he chose who he did.

You can sugarcoat it all you like Don but this guy was not in the top 3 on JT's QB wishlist. Those guys all turned OSU down, and now instead of a 4 star guy who can study under TP for a year you'll have a 2 star guy that you hope makes it and if not the pressure will be up next recruiting season to get another QB phenom which isn't likely. You guys have to remember that whoever you get this year will be the heir apparent to TP. Are you that confident in JT's ability to teach a QB? Otherwise in 3 years you'll be in the boat of having a freshman QB again and as you guys like to say TP is a once a century talent so I doubt it'll happen again. And with the most important position on the field (as NUT pointed out in another thread) are you really ready for the next wave of OSU football to be in the hands of a 2 star player? Look at all the QB's we have coming in compared to you guys and which position would you rather be in?

I'm not sugar coating anything and if you read my post again I'm referring to the Duke, UCLA and Arkansas coaches as good evaluators of QB talent. I don't know if our coaches liked Hendrix more or less than Graham, or maybe rated them pretty equally. We got our QB and ND got theirs. What bothers me a little bit is that 2 years in a row an Ohio QB with a Buckeye offer chose to go to a MAC school. :)

Don't put so much emphasis on star ratings especially before a senior season. That's what you guys keep telling us anyway. In my opinion TP will be with us for 3 more years and that gives Tress plenty of time to recruit. TP did extremely well for a freshman and lived up to most everyone's expectations, you don't receive "freshman of the year" awards from the coaches unless you are deserving. We'll see how your freshman does this year, unlike TP he'll even have the benefit of spring practice. I wouldn't expect freshman of the year awards for Tate though, you may be very disappointed.

[Wolvrin704]

I'm not sugar coating anything and if you read my post again I'm referring to the Duke, UCLA and Arkansas coaches as good evaluators of QB talent. I don't know if our coaches liked Hendrix more or less than Graham, or maybe rated them pretty equally. We got our QB and ND got theirs. What bothers me a little bit is that 2 years in a row an Ohio QB with a Buckeye offer chose to go to a MAC school. :)

Don't put so much emphasis on star ratings especially before a senior season. That's what you guys keep telling us anyway. In my opinion TP will be with us for 3 more years and that gives Tress plenty of time to recruit. TP did extremely well for a freshman and lived up to most everyone's expectations, you don't receive "freshman of the year" awards from the coaches unless you are deserving. We'll see how your freshman does this year, unlike TP he'll even have the benefit of spring practice. I wouldn't expect freshman of the year awards for Tate though, you may be very disappointed.

If you feel good about this guy then more power to ya I say. As for Hendrix OSU was recruiting him hard so you can't say you got your guy, and don't forget about Montana.

TP may or may not be there 3 more years (if you think he will be that just gives more credence to our position that his skillsare subpar) but the fact is that right now JT is recruiting players for TP's junior year so if he doesn't get that next starting QB in this class he only has one more try. I'm sure someone will take it due to knowing TP will be leaving but why is it other schools can get a bunch of quality QB's while OSU cannot? Isn't that what you guys kept saying to us last year? Even when it was the first time in my memory that we did not have at least one quality QB on the roster. If you are a top program as you guys claim shouldn't you be able to stockpile QB's? We've been reading claims on here for 2 years now that OSU and JT are good developers of QB's based on one guy, Troy Smith and yet the only quality QB recruit you have gotten in my memory is Pryor, and the jury is still out on him.

[rickyleach]

no don PRYOR WILL BE WITH OHIO STATE UNTIL THE SUN DONT SHINE , HE WILL BE IN THE SAME FAME AS YOUR BOY MO CLARRET, MO WILL BE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS AND PRYOR WILL BE THE SAME...

[1OSUNUT]

First off people forget how big TP is. He is less likely to get dinged then Tate is going to be. TP is very hard to prepair for because of his size and speed. He will be a better passer this year and that will make him much harder to stop. Im very happy with the back up we have this year. He has a great arm and is a young 23 years old. He is a pocket passer and would fill in well if TP was to get hurt. Is he Colt McCoy - no.

I think it would be much easier to recruit a top flight blue chip QB in Columbus during TP's junior year. That would give the kid one year to learn the system before he gets the keys to it.

[Wolvrin704]

First off people forget how big TP is. He is less likely to get dinged then Tate is going to be. TP is very hard to prepair for because of his size and speed. He will be a better passer this year and that will make him much harder to stop. Im very happy with the back up we have this year. He has a great arm and is a young 23 years old. He is a pocket passer and would fill in well if TP was to get hurt. Is he Colt McCoy - no.

I think it would be much easier to recruit a top flight blue chip QB in Columbus during TP's junior year. That would give the kid one year to learn the system before he gets the keys to it.

Since when did Tressel get a system? The problem with OSU is they have no offensive identity other than run the ball(now I understand where that SN comes from haha!). Why would a pocket passer be a perfect backup to a guy who is more of a spread guy? The fact he is 23 is certainly in your favor as he is more mature but does he have the skills.

[Don Unverferth]

[QUOTE=Wolvrin704;14738]If you feel good about this guy then more power to ya I say. As for Hendrix OSU was recruiting him hard so you can't say you got your guy, and don't forget about Montana.

TP may or may not be there 3 more years (if you think he will be that just gives more credence to our position that his skillsare subpar) but the fact is that right now JT is recruiting players for TP's junior year so if he doesn't get that next starting QB in this class he only has one more try. I'm sure someone will take it due to knowing TP will be leaving but why is it other a> can get a bunch of quality QB's while OSU cannot? Isn't that what you guys kept saying to us last year? Even when it was the first time in my memory that we did not have at least one quality QB on the roster. If you are a top program as you guys claim shouldn't you be able to stockpile QB's? We've been reading claims on here for 2 years now that OSU and JT are good developers of QB's based on one guy, Troy Smith and yet the only quality QB recruit you have gotten in my memory is Pryor, and the jury is still out on him.[QUOTE]





Well then, I guess Tebow's skills are subpar too because he's still at Florida. Maybe he's trying to tie Archie Griffin's record. Right Gator?

I can't speak for Hendrix but I know when Montana made his official visit Tress wasn't even there to meet him. I'm not saying that we didn't want Montana but I think it puts things in perspective.

I get the feeling that somehow you think that this year is a make or break with a QB recruit. That's about as far away from the truth as you can get.
It's true that historically we haven't recruited elite QB talent and that changed with Pryor. Hopefully we will get a top 5 pick next year or the year after. What's interesting is that UM under Carr recruited top 5 QB talent repeatedly. Don't kid yourself that this will be the case under RRod.

[byebyelloyd]

Since when did Tressel get a system? The problem with OSU is they have no offensive identity other than run the ball(now I understand where that SN comes from haha!). Why would a pocket passer be a perfect backup to a guy who is more of a spread guy? The fact he is 23 is certainly in your favor as he is more mature but does he have the skills.

in a word, no, just like this fucking pussy trying to portray pryor as a better passer this year, in a word bullshit. nice try pussy osunutsack but you still are not smart enough to fool anyone just yet.

[1OSUNUT]

Pryor will be a better passer and that scares the shit out of you. I was talking with a former OSU player (who works at ESPN) last week at a golf outing and we talked some football during dinner. He said he TP has been working very hard on his mechanics. He really took the PSU game very hard last year and does not want to feel that way again. He said they are working hard on TP throwing short slants while rolling out. He also said the games does slow down a bit the second year. TP is going to be very tough to defend if he gets the confidence in his arm. TP has the ability - he just needs the reps and the confidence. The bigger worry is said to be at RB. Herron and Saine need to emerge as good runners and the verdit is out on Berry. If Herron runs like he did late in the season we will be OK.

He also said that he flew to Columbus with Chris Carter and his kid. He said his kid is very intelligent and has great size. He also runs outstanding patterns and WILL be a star for Ohio State. He will make it impossible to keep him off the field as a freshman.

[Wolvrin704]

[QUOTE=Wolvrin704;14738]If you feel good about this guy then more power to ya I say. As for Hendrix OSU was recruiting him hard so you can't say you got your guy, and don't forget about Montana.

TP may or may not be there 3 more years (if you think he will be that just gives more credence to our position that his skillsare subpar) but the fact is that right now JT is recruiting players for TP's junior year so if he doesn't get that next starting QB in this class he only has one more try. I'm sure someone will take it due to knowing TP will be leaving but why is it other a> can get a bunch of quality QB's while OSU cannot? Isn't that what you guys kept saying to us last year? Even when it was the first time in my memory that we did not have at least one quality QB on the roster. If you are a top program as you guys claim shouldn't you be able to stockpile QB's? We've been reading claims on here for 2 years now that OSU and JT are good developers of QB's based on one guy, Troy Smith and yet the only quality QB recruit you have gotten in my memory is Pryor, and the jury is still out on him.[QUOTE]





Well then, I guess Tebow's skills are subpar too because he's still at Florida. Maybe he's trying to tie Archie Griffin's record. Right Gator?

I can't speak for Hendrix but I know when Montana made his official visit Tress wasn't even there to meet him. I'm not saying that we didn't want Montana but I think it puts things in perspective.

I get the feeling that somehow you think that this year is a make or break with a QB recruit. That's about as far away from the truth as you can get.
It's true that historically we haven't recruited elite QB talent and that changed with Pryor. Hopefully we will get a top 5 pick next year or the year after. What's interesting is that UM under Carr recruited top 5 QB talent repeatedly. Don't kid yourself that this will be the case under RRod.

You guys are the ones who have made TP out to be the talent of the century. If he's as great as you all say he is why would he stay 4 years?

Nothing has changed with Pryor YOU are the ones who need to quit kidding yourselves, until you get another top QB talent nothing has changed.

With UM we have Tate and Denard this year and Gardner coming in next year (yet another guy OSU wanted). Myabe they are not individually rated as high as TP but collectively thats allot of talent right there and even more depth. Might be young right now but how does that look in about 2 years?

As for Carr, except for Mallett and Henne I don't recall too many top 5 guys being recruited.

[1OSUNUT]

The rason why you have three guys is becuase there is an open competiotion for the spot. Ypou do not have a established starter. If you had a talent like TP that was only a freshman last year - none of these kids would be at MIchigan either. Do you think Tate or Robison would be in Ann Arbor if TP signed with the Wolverines ? Let me help you on that one - NO WAY. RR has these guys all in there because he is trying to find a player that can fill the void that TP let in your program. Say what you want about TP but he was the guy that RR wanted and he is the most dangerous QB in the Big Ten.

[byebyelloyd]

Pryor will be a better passer and that scares the shit out of you. I was talking with a former OSU player (who works at ESPN) last week at a golf outing and we talked some football during dinner. He said he TP has been working very hard on his mechanics. He really took the PSU game very hard last year and does not want to feel that way again. He said they are working hard on TP throwing short slants while rolling out. He also said the games does slow down a bit the second year. TP is going to be very tough to defend if he gets the confidence in his arm. TP has the ability - he just needs the reps and the confidence. The bigger worry is said to be at RB. Herron and Saine need to emerge as good runners and the verdit is out on Berry. If Herron runs like he did late in the season we will be OK.

He also said that he flew to Columbus with Chris Carter and his kid. He said his kid is very intelligent and has great size. He also runs outstanding patterns and WILL be a star for Ohio State. He will make it impossible to keep him off the field as a freshman.

i saw the spring game pussy, i know for a fact he's no better. your small pathetic fucking brain needs to accept that and move on. michigan has about 5 recievers like that coming in and an accurate QB to throw to them, who gives a shit. not to mention RR is better coaching than tressel which makes his players that much better. RR beats the best in the country with 2 star talent, tressel loses by 30 with top 3 talent, spin that you fucking moron pussy.

[byebyelloyd]

The rason why you have three guys is becuase there is an open competiotion for the spot. Ypou do not have a established starter. If you had a talent like TP that was only a freshman last year - none of these kids would be at MIchigan either. Do you think Tate or Robison would be in Ann Arbor if TP signed with the Wolverines ? Let me help you on that one - NO WAY. RR has these guys all in there because he is trying to find a player that can fill the void that TP let in your program. Say what you want about TP but he was the guy that RR wanted and he is the most dangerous QB in the Big Ten.

unforunately for you, pryor got undeserved hype for being a QB, something he obviously isn't and now you get to find out why as teams make him throw over and over and since we know from the spring game that he still fucking sucks at passing, well, pussy, you're in for not only a long year, but a long couple of seasons.

[Wolvrin704]

The rason why you have three guys is becuase there is an open competiotion for the spot. Ypou do not have a established starter. If you had a talent like TP that was only a freshman last year - none of these kids would be at MIchigan either. Do you think Tate or Robison would be in Ann Arbor if TP signed with the Wolverines ? Let me help you on that one - NO WAY. RR has these guys all in there because he is trying to find a player that can fill the void that TP let in your program. Say what you want about TP but he was the guy that RR wanted and he is the most dangerous QB in the Big Ten.

And despite having these 2 guys in there we have Gardner coming in next year. Had we gotten TP I would agree that Tate wouldn't be here but I think Robinson would still be there.

I agree that TP is defintely looking overhyped, terrific physical talent but the arm is lacking and the head still isn't in the game.

[1OSUNUT]

RR beats the best teams in the country with two star talent - Huh ? He sure could not beat a bad Pitt team in the biggest game of his life. He had better then two star talent last year - how did he do ? The jury is still out on RR. Was he a good coach or was he playing against bad teams that don't play defense ? He won a few bowl games against teams that did not even want to be in the bowl they were playing in. Hell Boise State beat Oklahoma as well. When was the last time Oklahoma won a bowl game ?

When RR had to play in the old Big East how did he do ? If my memory is correct he could not beat Virgina Tech or Miami. It was not untill they left that RR had any sucess. So get off the high horse that RR is some kind of magic man. He has never won anything other then some meaningless bowls. He had a one chance to play for all the marbles and lost to a lousy Pitt team - at home. Last year his team looked confused and ill prepaired week in and week out. They did not get better week to week and could not hold onto the ball. In fact several times fumbles were caused by the runner holding the ball in the wrong hand - that is coaching.

He was not your first, second or third choice for coach. All of a sudden he is some kind of God. He is not an elite coach like Meyer, Carrol, Mack, Tressel, Stoops and others are. He is on the fence. He is now in a much tougher conference then he was in before. If he did not win the big one in a weak conference like the Big East I doubt he will in the Big Ten.

[byebyelloyd]

RR beats the best teams in the country with two star talent - Huh ? He sure could not beat a bad Pitt team in the biggest game of his life. He had better then two star talent last year - how did he do ? The jury is still out on RR. Was he a good coach or was he playing against bad teams that don't play defense ? He won a few bowl games against teams that did not even want to be in the bowl they were playing in. Hell Boise State beat Oklahoma as well. When was the last time Oklahoma won a bowl game ?

When RR had to play in the old Big East how did he do ? If my memory is correct he could not beat Virgina Tech or Miami. It was not untill they left that RR had any sucess. So get off the high horse that RR is some kind of magic man. He has never won anything other then some meaningless bowls. He had a one chance to play for all the marbles and lost to a lousy Pitt team - at home. Last year his team looked confused and ill prepaired week in and week out. They did not get better week to week and could not hold onto the ball. In fact several times fumbles were caused by the runner holding the ball in the wrong hand - that is coaching.

He was not your first, second or third choice for coach. All of a sudden he is some kind of God. He is not an elite coach like Meyer, Carrol, Mack, Tressel, Stoops and others are. He is on the fence. He is now in a much tougher conference then he was in before. If he did not win the big one in a weak conference like the Big East I doubt he will in the Big Ten.

he's already beat the SEC in both bowl games and regular season. lets see. another coach who lost a big game and loses every big game, yeah thats right pussy, your beloved jim testicle. he's so far superior in big games to tressel and you can look at his record and even your stupid ass can not deny it. and since when was the big ten a better conference you fucking moron? i've watched big east teams win meaningful non conference games that most big 10 teams will not even attempt to schedule. he beat better teams in their back yards and your stupid pussy brain believes they lost to west virginia because, " they didn't want to be there." you're a fucking moron. what coach and team doesn't want to be in a BCS bowl, pussy, and when was the last time ohio state won a bowl game, pussy. you said oklahoma sucks then called stoops "an elite coach" all in the same post, which one is it stupid ass. since when was tressel ever considered an elite coach? a choke artist, yes, elite, never. damn man, pick up the intelligence. making you, the pussy moron, look stupid every day is getting a little stale.

[1OSUNUT]

RR beat Georgia one time. How many rings does he have on his fingers - I'll wait. He had a huge game against Pitt - how did he do. RR will never be mentioned with the greats till he does something great. Stoops has laid an egg in recent years - but has the ring. RR is not a great coach. He beat teams that were in a BCS bowl that wanted to be in the NC game. WVU was pumped up to be in the BCS game and the other teams were flat and uninterested. Watch the games.

What has RR done other then win a bowl game ?

How come he was unable to do a damn thing in the Big East when Va.Tech and Miami was there ? I thought he was a great coach. I'm sure Tiller would of been a good coach if Ohio State and Michigan were to leave the Big Ten as well. When you look at the elite coaches and programs in the country Tressel is smack dab in the middle of that converation. His teams just win. They are not pretty but he has been to three NC games in 8 years and won 1. If RR takes Michigan to one NC game you guys will be unreal. Thank God that will not happen !!!!!! BO could not do it so the odds of RR doing it is slim - unless Tressel leaves. If he does then Urban Meyer would be in C-Town and that would be a whole other problem for you scum suckers.

[Wolvrin704]

RR beat Georgia one time. How many rings does he have on his fingers - I'll wait. He had a huge game against Pitt - how did he do. RR will never be mentioned with the greats till he does something great. Stoops has laid an egg in recent years - but has the ring. RR is not a great coach. He beat teams that were in a BCS bowl that wanted to be in the NC game. WVU was pumped up to be in the BCS game and the other teams were flat and uninterested. Watch the games.

What has RR done other then win a bowl game ?

How come he was unable to do a damn thing in the Big East when Va.Tech and Miami was there ? I thought he was a great coach. I'm sure Tiller would of been a good coach if Ohio State and Michigan were to leave the Big Ten as well. When you look at the elite coaches and programs in the country Tressel is smack dab in the middle of that converation. His teams just win. They are not pretty but he has been to three NC games in 8 years and won 1. If RR takes Michigan to one NC game you guys will be unreal. Thank God that will not happen !!!!!! BO could not do it so the odds of RR doing it is slim - unless Tressel leaves. If he does then Urban Meyer would be in C-Town and that would be a whole other problem for you scum suckers.

Why didn't he do anything in the Big East when VT and Miami were there? Is that not one of the dumbest questions of the year or what? They left the conference only a couple of years after he got there, he was rebuilding a program that had NEVER seen sustained success since the 60's (kind of like the OSU basketball team). BTW, he did go 2-3 against VT so he did do something.

Will we be unreal if RR takes us to a NC? Duh, of course we will based on all the abuse we've taken from you trolls over the years, especially YOU. Will you be man enough to stand up to it?

Why would Meyer take over OSU when he has Florida? You know the team that routinely destroys your team regardless of the sport. Only in your dreams will he come here, I don't care if he is from Ohio not every Ohio born coach out there dreams of coaching the Buckeyes. As for Meyer, we've played him once, wonder who won that game?

[byebyelloyd]

Why didn't he do anything in the Big East when VT and Miami were there? Is that not one of the dumbest questions of the year or what? They left the conference only a couple of years after he got there, he was rebuilding a program that had NEVER seen sustained success since the 60's (kind of like the OSU basketball team). BTW, he did go 2-3 against VT so he did do something.

Will we be unreal if RR takes us to a NC? Duh, of course we will based on all the abuse we've taken from you trolls over the years, especially YOU. Will you be man enough to stand up to it?

Why would Meyer take over OSU when he has Florida? You know the team that routinely destroys your team regardless of the sport. Only in your dreams will he come here, I don't care if he is from Ohio not every Ohio born coach out there dreams of coaching the Buckeyes. As for Meyer, we've played him once, wonder who won that game?

again, this fucking pussy knows rodriguez is the better coach and tries to convince himself that tressel is actually an elite coach who can actually win any worthwhile game with his own recruits. guess what pussy, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. he had every opportunity in the world when carr stopped coaching and michigan slipped. now the party is over. a FAR FAR superior coach is building a far superior team in ann arbor who can actually coach and win big games, again, something tressel WILL NEVER DO, and its now back to business as usual in the big ten with michigan carrying the conference and ohio state starting the coaching search all over again. nice try again pussy.

[Mike Furley]

again, this fucking pussy knows rodriguez is the better coach and tries to convince himself that tressel is actually an elite coach who can actually win any worthwhile game with his own recruits. guess what pussy, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. he had every opportunity in the world when carr stopped coaching and michigan slipped. now the party is over. a FAR FAR superior coach is building a far superior team in ann arbor who can actually coach and win big games, again, something tressel WILL NEVER DO, and its now back to business as usual in the big ten with michigan carrying the conference and ohio state starting the coaching search all over again. nice try again pussy.

time will tell if RR will build a far superior team in Ann Arbor. I don't doubt that he's a good coach even though he got off to an inauspicious start last year.

As for the part about RR winning big games and Tressel not winning big games, I'm not buying. The WVU/Pitt game two years ago was a big game for RR and WVU and they lost it. Tressell has had three bad, high profile losses in the past several seasons. He also has won a national championship at Ohio State and several more at Youngstown State. He has proven he can coach in and win big games.

[Wolvrin704]

time will tell if RR will build a far superior team in Ann Arbor. I don't doubt that he's a good coach even though he got off to an inauspicious start last year.

As for the part about RR winning big games and Tressel not winning big games, I'm not buying. The WVU/Pitt game two years ago was a big game for RR and WVU and they lost it. Tressell has had three bad, high profile losses in the past several seasons. He also has won a national championship at Ohio State and several more at Youngstown State. He has proven he can coach in and win big games.

Finally Furley comes in with his level headedness so we can actually talk football.

I agree with your assesment on RR, he will build a superior team and he did lose a big game 2 years ago. But then again as we have seen in the last few years allot of great teams have lost to some they had no business doing so.

UM/Appy St
OSU/Illinois
Florida/Miss St (I think thats who it was anyways)
USC/Oregon St

There are many more examples but these were just off the top of my head. RR has also won some big games, beating VT in I think his 2nd year, beating Georgia in bowl game, winning 3 conference titles, etc.

In the same vein JT is a good coach but not quite great. You know what you're going to get with him and it is successful but there are times you just scratch your head such as the apparent unpreparedness in the NC games or going away from the run in both of those games.

[1OSUNUT]

Im not sure there has been a bigger game then the 2006 OSU / Michigan game - who won that one ? I pretty sure it was Tressel - again breaking the hearts of Michigan fans worldwide. To say Tressel cannot win the big game is just not true. He has lost to some pretty damn good football teams the last three years. Florida, LSU and Texas were all considered by many to be the best team the year we played them. The only game I really think OSU blew was the 2006 NC against Florida. They just did not show up. We lost to LSU in their backyard - nobody would of beat them. Should the score be closer - sure. The Buckeyes had Texas beat last year and let it slip away. Many thought Texas (me included) should of been in the NC game last year. The Buckeyes are an elite and yearly BCS team. Like it or not its because of Tressel. You don't see us losing games we are supposed to win very often and we surely don't lose to the Toledo and App.States of the world. I cannot wait to see this site after Western Michigan beats the Wolverines.

[byebyelloyd]

Im not sure there has been a bigger game then the 2006 OSU / Michigan game - who won that one ? I pretty sure it was Tressel - again breaking the hearts of Michigan fans worldwide. To say Tressel cannot win the big game is just not true. He has lost to some pretty damn good football teams the last three years. Florida, LSU and Texas were all considered by many to be the best team the year we played them. The only game I really think OSU blew was the 2006 NC against Florida. They just did not show up. We lost to LSU in their backyard - nobody would of beat them. Should the score be closer - sure. The Buckeyes had Texas beat last year and let it slip away. Many thought Texas (me included) should of been in the NC game last year. The Buckeyes are an elite and yearly BCS team. Like it or not its because of Tressel. You don't see us losing games we are supposed to win very often and we surely don't lose to the Toledo and App.States of the world. I cannot wait to see this site after Western Michigan beats the Wolverines.

you have more excuses than answers pussy, tressel is not close to elite, he has the same track record and championships as carr did, was carr elite, no. like it or not, ohio state is a fucking joke, nationwide as well as my own state and a pussy trying to act like a badass on a rival site can't change the facts. since you decided that you can't seem to pull your head out of your ass long enough to see whats really going on in columbus, i'll always be here to point out the obvious to your stupid ass. nice try again, pussy, looking forrward to your spin on another buckeye lie.

[byebyelloyd]

Finally Furley comes in with his level headedness so we can actually talk football.

I agree with your assesment on RR, he will build a superior team and he did lose a big game 2 years ago. But then again as we have seen in the last few years allot of great teams have lost to some they had no business doing so.

UM/Appy St
OSU/Illinois
Florida/Miss St (I think thats who it was anyways)
USC/Oregon St

There are many more examples but these were just off the top of my head. RR has also won some big games, beating VT in I think his 2nd year, beating Georgia in bowl game, winning 3 conference titles, etc.

In the same vein JT is a good coach but not quite great. You know what you're going to get with him and it is successful but there are times you just scratch your head such as the apparent unpreparedness in the NC games or going away from the run in both of those games.

furley can chime in with an educated opinion anytime and we're all fine with that, but 1nutsack acts like he's the lone informant on this site with all the accurate OSU knowledge a person could ever know and i find the need to step in with the pry bar of reality to help him with his head-in-ass syndrome. i live in cincinnati and know every bit as much about the activity at ohio state as he does, actually more considering all my friends are ACTUAL fans and have a realistic perspective on the team.

[Wolvrin704]

furley can chime in with an educated opinion anytime and we're all fine with that, but 1nutsack acts like he's the lone informant on this site with all the accurate OSU knowledge a person could ever know and i find the need to step in with the pry bar of reality to help him with his head-in-ass syndrome. i live in cincinnati and know every bit as much about the activity at ohio state as he does, actually more considering all my friends are ACTUAL fans and have a realistic perspective on the team.

I hear ya man, I live in Cincy too and hear allot of Buckeye talk. Thing is NUT can be a rational and levelheaded person when he wants to be but most of the time jsut wants to pile on the abuse.

As for saying JT is a great coach because he has only lost to good teams.....there are some realy great coaches out there who have lost to some subpar teams, look at the examples I posted in my earlier post so I don't think thats really an indicator of what makes a great coach. On the conference scene he has to be regarded as one looking at how the dominate the B10, but on the national scale they are not as they lose almost every game they play against national power teams.

[byebyelloyd]

I hear ya man, I live in Cincy too and hear allot of Buckeye talk. Thing is NUT can be a rational and levelheaded person when he wants to be but most of the time jsut wants to pile on the abuse.

As for saying JT is a great coach because he has only lost to good teams.....there are some realy great coaches out there who have lost to some subpar teams, look at the examples I posted in my earlier post so I don't think thats really an indicator of what makes a great coach. On the conference scene he has to be regarded as one looking at how the dominate the B10, but on the national scale they are not as they lose almost every game they play against national power teams.

exactly. anyone not a complete moron, i.e. nutsack, knows the big ten is and always has been a 2 team conference. when the best team, obviously every record there is indicates that team is michigan, slips a little, then #2 team, ohio state, takes the lead for a while. history repeats and right now whether they wish to believe it or not, michigan is rising and OSU is falling into the same rut. nothing changed.

[1OSUNUT]

Yes your right. Michigan is rising coming off last season. The thing is that Michigan is not even the second best team in the conference anymore. Michigan is trying to get better and have been recruiting better. But they are trying to catch a team that is not only better then them but has out recruited them every year for awhile. Even while RR gets goos kids to come to Ann Arboe - Tressel has been getting better players to come to Columbus. So you can try to catch up all you want - we are still steps ahead of you.

[Wolvrin704]

Yes your right. Michigan is rising coming off last season. The thing is that Michigan is not even the second best team in the conference anymore. Michigan is trying to get better and have been recruiting better. But they are trying to catch a team that is not only better then them but has out recruited them every year for awhile. Even while RR gets goos kids to come to Ann Arboe - Tressel has been getting better players to come to Columbus. So you can try to catch up all you want - we are still steps ahead of you.

So what if you're getting better players. Cooper used to out recruit us too and then Carr started out recruiting JT. See where that got us. Its not who you recruit as much as how you use their talent.

[gator]

Good work, guys. One of the more entertaining threads in awhile. Anyway, a couple thoughts:

FL did lose to Miss St. but it was not Meyer. That game opened up the door for Meyer. Whoever mentioned it probably knew that but confused me when they were talking about the mark of a great coach (almost sounded like Meyer lost to Miss St). I agree, however, that great coaches do lose games to teams they should beat from time to time. I think back to Ole Miss last year: 10 pt lead at halftime and two fumbles in four offensive plays inside our own 20. Sometimes it's not only the coaches fault - it can be players' focus, bad luck, or various other aspects. Other than that game, Meyer has done a pretty damn good job of beating the teams he is supposed to beat. Obviously, RR lost to Pitt and he shouldn't have, but every coach has got one of those. However, when I think of RR, I think more of games he won that he shouldn't have than games he lost that he shouldn't have.

Tressel used to be in the elite coaches discussion, but I don't think many around the country put him there right now (good not great). I have taped coverage from ESPN right before the '06 NC game and they were running down the aspects of the game. They gave the coaching advantage to OSU b/c of Tressy. That seems funny now b/c every analyst in the country would give Meyer the advantage now. Those three marque losses have really hurt Tressy - not so much for losing but for the manner in which they were lost.

Where's donny boy? I understand that you are trying to defend your boy, TP. Maybe it's not fair to judge TP's talent by how many years he will stay. It does seem that if he was the talent everyone expects that he wouldn't be there for four years. On the other hand, Tebow is an all-time college great and has stayed four years. However, when people talk about Tebow's greatness, they usually reference tangibles. Like making key fourth down conversions in huge games his freshman year (even when people knew what he was doing). A running and passing TD in the NC game his freshman year. A 20/20 season (only person in history) in which he became the first sophmore to ever win the heisman. Taking his team on his back in the fourth quarter of both the SEC championship and NC games. Heck, after losing to Ole Miss, he didn't throw a single 4th quarter incompletion the rest of the season last year. The guy is clutch. Will he make the NFL? I don't know. They are apparently working on under-center formations this year to help his NFL stock. I don't know why people keep underestimating this guy. He continues to rank in the top five for passer rating, completion percentage, and interceptions. He also completed more passes for 20+ yrds than Bradford last season. His release is slow and he takes every snap from the shotgun, but the guy is accurate and a winner. I think Tebow's passing actually regressed last season. In his Heisman season, he completed some sickening passes. It seemed like every thing he threw over 30+ yards was completed. Maybe working with Loeffler will help this year. Nevertheless, TP is not even in the same breath as Tebow at this point. I'm not necessarily knocking TP, as it was only his freshman season last year, but he needs some serious improvement before he is considered one of the elite QBs in the country.

[Wolvrin704]

Thanks for correcting me Gator, I was thinking that UF lost to Miss St last year and it was actually Ole Miss. My bad. :o

[1OSUNUT]

First of all TP would not of been the #1 QB in the nation if he could not pass. If you look at his high school highlights and footage of the Army game you will see he can pass pretty damn good. Last year I really think he fell prey to the pressure of playing QB at a major university. He has incredible legs and is a true leader. He is ultra competitive as well. That does not erase the fact that he tried to hard not to make mistakes. He did not want to throw picks so he would only throw if the guy was wide open. That is why he had such a high completion % last season. When he had to make a tight throw he did not trust himself so instead of just letting it rip he would try to place the ball perfectly in there. That made him look like he was throwing the ball like a shot put. In practice however he throws the ball with good velocity.

This year TP will be more confident and will not feel the pressure that he did last year that would come if he made a mistake. Remember he was replacing a senior All Big Ten QB last year. I'm sure he had it in the back of his mind that if he made mistakes or played bad he would be replaced. He was a freshman playing a leadership position - while trying tolearn the game on the fly. He did not get the lions share of the reps in the pre-season last year - Todd did. He had to come in as the most hyped player in ages and learn the game on the fly - while having to prep for the team they were playing that week. That is not easy.

Now he knows he is the leader and the starter. He knows he is the man and that there is not a lot backing him up right now. It's his team. He will be the face of the program and players will look to him for leadership. That confidence will lead to him letting things rip. Gone will be the careful TP and in will come the TP that made him the player RR had dreams about. He will quickly show people that is is very dangerous. He did make some very nice throws last year so he has that potential. Once he starts making those throws a majority of the time - WATCH OUT. TP is that special kind of player that can absolutly destroy a defense and cause major coverage breakdowns. The game will slow down for him and he will play with the reckless abandon that he did in high school. That is bad news for the Big Ten.

[rickyleach]

nut , why bother pryor isnt even a top 15 qb , sshit he isnt going to be the best qb in the big10 let alone the country,he is like everything else with the osu program.OOOOVERRRATED

[1OSUNUT]

Who said he was the best QB in the nation ? He is however the most dynamic and manybe the most dangerous. He is the hardest to prepair for. With most QB's you know what your going to get or where they are going to be. Bradford and McCoy are going to be in the pocket passing and will scrabble when they have to. Tebow is going to throw the quick pass or run the QB draw for a first down or a 10 to 15 yard gain. TP can turn a broken play into a 80 yard TD, roll out and suck up a DB and throw it or just plain fake a hand off and run the sweep for a big gain. You guys are going to he really bummed when you see what this kid will do this year. If you think all the kids in college football are getting better with experince - yet TP won't. your crazy. He is insanly competitive and will be an outstanding player this year. You guys are just pissed because he turned down your schools offer. Otherwise you guys would be bragging about how is Ohio State going to stop TP. The fact that he is a Buckeye and not a Wolverine is the only reason you guys feel that way. He he would of picked Michigan you guys would be all over his tip. Instead your left trying to stick up and support the left overs that you got - namely Tate.

[Wolvrin704]

Who said he was the best QB in the nation ?

Ahem.........
First of all TP would not of been the #1 QB in the nation if he could not pass

And I don't care what you meant to type, this is what you typed.



He is however the most dynamic and manybe the most dangerous. He is the hardest to prepair for. With most QB's you know what your going to get or where they are going to be. Bradford and McCoy are going to be in the pocket passing and will scrabble when they have to. Tebow is going to throw the quick pass or run the QB draw for a first down or a 10 to 15 yard gain. TP can turn a broken play into a 80 yard TD, roll out and suck up a DB and throw it or just plain fake a hand off and run the sweep for a big gain. You guys are going to he really bummed when you see what this kid will do this year. If you think all the kids in college football are getting better with experince - yet TP won't. your crazy. He is insanly competitive and will be an outstanding player this year. You guys are just pissed because he turned down your schools offer. Otherwise you guys would be bragging about how is Ohio State going to stop TP. The fact that he is a Buckeye and not a Wolverine is the only reason you guys feel that way. He he would of picked Michigan you guys would be all over his tip. Instead your left trying to stick up and support the left overs that you got - namely Tate.

My head hurts from trying to read your version of English.

All we've been trying to do is bring you guys back to earth with your realities of TP. On one hand you claim you don't make any claims about his greatness and then turn right around and practically shout that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm just mad that we were all sold a bag of goods on how great this kid was supposed to be and while he is athletically gifted I don't see anywhere near the total package.

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He was the #1 QB coming out of high school. I did not say he was the #1 QB in college - did I. If he was so bad at passing then why did RR chase this kid all over PA with his band of coaches. Please explain that to me ? You seem to think RR is GOD when it comes to finding talent. Well there has been no player EVER that RR wanted more then TP. Why do you think that is ? It's because he can do things that NOBODY else will be able to do once he is up to speed. There is not one player on the Michigan roster that has the talent and potential of TP - period. Who was the one player RR contacted when he left West Virgina ? He will be a freak this year and even better the next two seasons. I don't care how good Tate or Robinson look in practice -RR would ditch them all for TP. I know it and deep down inside you guys know it as well.

[Wolvrin704]

He was the #1 QB coming out of high school. I did not say he was the #1 QB in college - did I.

No, you left it VERY open ended by just saying he was the #1 QB, not saying either college or high school. You only specified that he was the #1 QB, and I used your words against you. HAHA! :D


If he was so bad at passing then why did RR chase this kid all over PA with his band of coaches. Please explain that to me ? You seem to think RR is GOD when it comes to finding talent. Well there has been no player EVER that RR wanted more then TP. Why do you think that is ? It's because he can do things that NOBODY else will be able to do once he is up to speed. There is not one player on the Michigan roster that has the talent and potential of TP - period. Who was the one player RR contacted when he left West Virgina ? He will be a freak this year and even better the next two seasons. I don't care how good Tate or Robinson look in practice -RR would ditch them all for TP. I know it and deep down inside you guys know it as well.

I'll explain this so even you can understand.

RR came to UM with less than 2 months left of the recruiting season. Mallett was known to be looking at leaving and in fact did by January. This left UM with no experience or depth at QB, look what we had last season.

So this left RR with having to get a QB quick, well he had just happened to be recruiting TP at WVU so continued to do so at UM. Its not his arm that RR wanted, its his legs as he's another Pat White clone, his arm is servicable. So since UM needed a QB badly, the best one available and one of the few that were left was TP, and since RR had already been recruiting him he kept on doing so. Does that answer your question? There weren't allot of other options at that point.

Don't act like RR was the only one after TP hot and heavy, on top of which TP is the one who created the circus since he decided to wait on answering where he was going to go.

[rickyleach]

Nutpuss , i guess you were just exposed by your own self, you make up more freekin excuses then anyone, admit that your coach and qb suck and you know it , pryor is dummmmmer then a box of rocks and tressel wouldnt say ssshit if he had a mouth full.

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There you are dummy. Having nothing to say as usual.