Obama Signs Executive Order Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate

[MICHDAD1]

On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf



“Sec.2

Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records

When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”


The first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released?

This is the subject that was at the absolute top of his agenda?

If this isn’t proof that Obama is hiding something, I don’t know what is.

[byebyelloyd]

On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf



“Sec.2

Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records

When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”


The first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released?

This is the subject that was at the absolute top of his agenda?

If this isn’t proof that Obama is hiding something, I don’t know what is.

we all know the nazi dems are sliding downhill faster than chevy chase in national lampoons christmas vacation but wait until this shit hits the fan, and it will.

[gator]

When I first started reading Sec. 2 there, I kid you not I thought it said, "When the Antichrist....." Oops.:)

[byebyelloyd]

When I first started reading Sec. 2 there, I kid you not I thought it said, "When the Antichrist....." Oops.:)

hell i hate obama for the fraud he is, but even i'm not going to take it that far, although there are those i believe will.

[gator]

hell i hate obama for the fraud he is, but even i'm not going to take it that far, although there are those i believe will.

I'm no fan of the man either, but I certainly won't say he is the Antichrist. I just thought it was funny.

[zilla]

A perfect little write-up below making fun of people that are worried about his birth certificate. Remember we are laughing at you, not with you. Big difference.:D:D:D

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/22/martin.obama.birth/index.html

[zilla]

My favorite part:


"So nut jobs, keep it coming. In such difficult times, we all need a good laugh every now and then, and you provide great comic fodder."

[The Michigan Man]

Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

I cannot believe that the citizens of this country are not demanding that their President verify that he meets the most basic requirement to hold this office - this is astounding! Congress should launch an investigation into this immediately and then impeach him if he obstructs the investigation. Change, indeed...

[Medic]

A perfect little write-up below making fun of people that are worried about his birth certificate. Remember we are laughing at you, not with you. Big difference.:D:D:D

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/22/martin.obama.birth/index.html

You do realize that a certificate of LIVE BIRTH is not a birth certificate right? I could go into any hospital of my choosing right now and with fairly minimal effort get a certificate of live birth saying I was born yesterday. I'm sure zilla thinks I may have been but that's a separate issue.

I'm pretty stunned that factcheck doesn't understand that basic fact. Anyway I don't plan on getting into this argument, beyond saying it's a huge waste of time because the courts have already said Obama can hide all the info he wants.

[Mich97c]

What about birth announcement that was published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961? Was it a cover up because his parents knew that someday he would become president?

[zilla]

What about birth announcement that was published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961? Was it a cover up because his parents knew that someday he would become president?

The Earth is flat crowd will never let this rest. I take comfort in the below quote that I will continue to use.

"So nut jobs, keep it coming. In such difficult times, we all need a good laugh every now and then, and you provide great comic fodder."

[Medic]

Just for fun I'm going to play devil's advocate here and go along with the conspiracy theorists:

A birth announcement can be requested by anyone. If she was out of the country (college student studying in Kenya as is alleged) she probably didn't even give it a second thought and called (or family living in Hawaii) the paper to have the announcement made where she had family and friends. They probably assumed (as I'm sure most people would) he was a US citizen because the mom is. The announcement doesn't list a hospital either, it simply says a birth occurred.

Can we all agree though that at this point this is all a non issue? Even if it were proven (which won't happen) beyond a doubt that he isn't a citizen, there is no constitutional check in place to deal with that situation and you would be inviting chaos on an epic level. Although I will always be curious why they were unable to produce a birth certificate.

Edit: I just wanted to throw in an edit for zilla

[Wolvrin704]

Just for fun I'm going to play devil's advocate here and go along with the conspiracy theorists:

A birth announcement can be requested by anyone. If she was out of the country (college student studying in Kenya as is alleged) she probably didn't even give it a second thought and called (or family living in Hawaii) the paper to have the announcement made where she had family and friends. They probably assumed (as I'm sure most people would) he was a US citizen because the mom is. The announcement doesn't list a hospital either, it simply says a birth occurred.

Can we all agree though that at this point this is all a non issue? Even if it were proven (which won't happen) beyond a doubt that he isn't a citizen, there is no constitutional check in place to deal with that situation and you would be inviting chaos on an epic level. Although I will always be curious why they were unable to produce a birth certificate.

Edit: I just wanted to throw in an edit for zilla

I wouldn't say chaos would insue. In that case due to his ineligibility he would be removed from office and Biden would be President as the legally elected vice president and he already has taken the oath of office. I will say that chaos would ensue because it would be a long dragged out process that would only hurt the country.

[Medic]

The whole thing is pretty loose really. I mean despite the inconsistencies of what one would consider "normal" paperwork for a birth you really have to stretch to make the case for non citizenship.

Someone would have had to call in the announcement (plausible), Someone in Kenya or in Hawaii would have had to obtain a COLB on behalf of a baby born elsewhere (not so plausible, but theoretically could happen). AT that point you are taking a huge leap of faith to say despite the COLB, he was born elsewhere.

Two bugs I will always have though:


The grandmother said he was born in Kenya, the hospital she said he was born at subsequently sealed their records
No birth certificate

[MICHDAD1]

A perfect little write-up below making fun of people that are worried about his birth certificate. Remember we are laughing at you, not with you. Big difference.:D:D:D

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/22/martin.obama.birth/index.html

What's hilarious is that when my son went to get his drivers license they wanted at least four pieces of I.D.; Birth Certificate, Utility Bills, Highschool I.D. Passport, and Social Security Card. Yet when someone is running for the highest office in the land and is asked the fundamental constitutional right of "citizenship" we are called nut jobs, kooks, your full of shit Zilla. Why is he hiding it? Why is his first order of business to protect himself through the E.O.? This isn't a left wing/right wing issue. Has nothing to do with a conspiracy. What's hilarious but sad is the fact when someone like this cnn writer wants to defend his president he has to start name calling to try discredit anyone who questions their so called authority. The Constitution was set forth to be a warranty for us citizens to keep these bastards in check. It needs to be done. It's a fundamental right of everyone to question authority, otherwise we will/are going to be living in a society that will tighten the chains of bondage if they think they can get away with it.

Thanks for the Constitutional quote MM.

[zilla]

What's hilarious is that when my son went to get his drivers license they wanted at least four pieces of I.D.; Birth Certificate, Utility Bills, Highschool I.D. Passport, and Social Security Card. Yet when someone is running for the highest office in the land and is asked the fundamental constitutional right of "citizenship" we are called nut jobs, kooks, your full of shit Zilla. Why is he hiding it? Why is his first order of business to protect himself through the E.O.? This isn't a left wing/right wing issue. Has nothing to do with a conspiracy. What's hilarious but sad is the fact when someone like this cnn writer wants to defend his president he has to start name calling to try discredit anyone who questions their so called authority. The Constitution was set forth to be a warranty for us citizens to keep these bastards in check. It needs to be done. It's a fundamental right of everyone to question authority, otherwise we will/are going to be living in a society that will tighten the chains of bondage if they think they can get away with it.

Thanks for the Constitutional quote MM.


"So nut jobs, keep it coming. In such difficult times, we all need a good laugh every now and then, and you provide great comic fodder."

[The Michigan Man]

What's hilarious is that when my son went to get his drivers license they wanted at least four pieces of I.D.; Birth Certificate, Utility Bills, Highschool I.D. Passport, and Social Security Card. Yet when someone is running for the highest office in the land and is asked the fundamental constitutional right of "citizenship" we are called nut jobs, kooks, your full of shit Zilla. Why is he hiding it? Why is his first order of business to protect himself through the E.O.? This isn't a left wing/right wing issue. Has nothing to do with a conspiracy. What's hilarious but sad is the fact when someone like this cnn writer wants to defend his president he has to start name calling to try discredit anyone who questions their so called authority. The Constitution was set forth to be a warranty for us citizens to keep these bastards in check. It needs to be done. It's a fundamental right of everyone to question authority, otherwise we will/are going to be living in a society that will tighten the chains of bondage if they think they can get away with it.

Thanks for the Constitutional quote MM.

If your son would have brought in a birth notice cut out from his local newpaper as a form of valid ID he would have been laughed out of the DMV. Yeah, for my proof of having a degree, I can just show my employer the "Good News" section of my local podunk paper that my mom posted because she was proud of me and that's as good as an official transcript, right?

This guy is the President, and this is basic shit - where is your certified birth certificate? The only reason this is such a big deal is because it is so elementary and basic, it is bizarre to go through such lengths to obstruct the truth. This isn't an application to be a pizza deliverer, it pertains to the highest office in the US. Be a stand up guy and reveal your birth certificate.

[zilla]

So Bush was AWOl and Obama is not a citizen. Sure would be nice when the people that lost the election (and supporters) would drop the bitter attitude and understand he is the President and you lost. Get over it. The next election is only 3 1/2 years away.

[gator]

OMG, the article was written by Roland Martin; now I know why it resorted to name calling. My favorite part of the article was, "President Obama is right to ignore these losers." You mean the losers that he represents and the same losers that have a constitutional right to be represented by a natural born citizen? Why the hell hasn't the ACLU taken up this case? (We all know the answer to that).

Despite Zilla's assertion, I for one could be convinced of his citizenship if all records were unsealed and this issue could be investigated by the free press. What, I'm supposed to be convinced by this single assertion by the this FactCheck organization? Who the hell are they? Their investigation didn't even involve a trip to the record room of the hospital in question or the DOH in Hawaii, nope just a trip to Obama's headquarters in Chicago. I know one thing: I have a damn good reason to doubt anything FactCheck said. In the second paragraph of their piece they claim that they had seen, touched, examined, and photographed the ORIGINAL birth certificate. After reading the entire piece, I can only conclude that that is a LIE. Maybe they photographed an OFFICIAL COLB (dated 2007), but it is not the ORIGINAL. Look, I'm not saying he is or isn't a natural born citizen, but there is some fishy stuff about all this. For instance, in the the same FactCheck piece, the Obama campaign admits they RUSHED to release this [COLB] document when questions about his citizenship arose. Yet, when more questions arose about why it wasn't an original document, all we get is a sealing of records. I don't want to get on some tinfoil hat-wearing bandwagon here, but I think all Americans should be concerned that the presidential election process doesn't include a standard verification stage (if there is one, please let me know what it is) of this simple requirement by someone like the CIA or FBI. Let's face it, MICHDAD1 is right, the verification procedures are apparently more stringent for getting a passport or a drivers license than becoming the president.

To all the liberals out there just writing us off as "nutcases," just remember how much you still try to hold us over the barrel for the WMD debate. Although I suspect that even most liberals were concerned about Saddam and WMD's at the time, we have been repeatedly told how foolish we were for buying the arguments hook, line, and sinker. Well, I just don't think something adds up here with this birth certificate debate. How big of a deal is it to release his original birth certificate? Seriously, what is the danger or harm? Why all the secrecy? Do you believe Americans have a Constitutional right to be guaranteed that their president is indeed a citizen? Maybe it wouldn't hurt liberals to ask themselves those questions before mindlessly writing us off as nutcases.

[zilla]

Hey I wonder if Elvis is still in the CIA? Perhaps I should start a thread about this.

[byebyelloyd]

Hey I wonder if Elvis is still in the CIA? Perhaps I should start a thread about this.

you first attempted to present a logical argument for hussein, now you've just regressed into a complete moron with no answer to legitimate questions. just give it up.

[zilla]

you first attempted to present a logical argument for hussein, now you've just regressed into a complete moron with no answer to legitimate questions. just give it up.

Giving up and being lazy is your game. I just thank god your parents good son is fighting for us.

[byebyelloyd]

Giving up and being lazy is your game. I just thank god your parents good son is fighting for us.

i'm more than sure he'd make an exception for communists like yourself. i doubt he would bother to fight for you if you were in trouble as you leaving this world would bring the collective IQ up. but thank god you can only run your mouth online and didn't bother to get one of your fellow soldiers killed by joining any real branch. thats definitely the best decision you ever made.

[zilla]

i'm more than sure he'd make an exception for communists like yourself. i doubt he would bother to fight for you if you were in trouble as you leaving this world would bring the collective IQ up. but thank god you can only run your mouth online and didn't bother to get one of your fellow soldiers killed by joining any real branch. thats definitely the best decision you ever made.

You would not last 1 day in the Coast Guard. Actually with your mental illness you would never be accepted.

[byebyelloyd]

You would not last 1 day in the Coast Guard. Actually with your mental illness you would never be accepted.

the cost guard is a fucking joke for pussy liberals like yourself to pretend they are an actual patriot without doing anything.

[Mike Furley]

I've been giving this birth certificate issue some more thought since Obama's Press Secretary addressed/dismissed it at a briefing today. I do have some problems with this whole story, and here are the questions I have:

1) Is he, or is he not, a natural born citizen of the United States?

2) Why did he only produce his COLB as opposed to the long form birth certificate during the campaign?

3) Why would he spend the money and time to argue in numerous courts against producing the long form birth certificate when he could simply produce it and put all of this to rest?

4) What person, court, entity, etc has jurisdiction or oversight in seeing a candidate for president has met the qualifications to be president?

5) Why do the defenders of the president never really address substantively the charges of the accusers?


These were the five questions I've been wondering about since last fall when that lawyer from Philly filed his suit trying to get an injunction preventing Obama from receiving the Democratic nomination. Here are my thoughts on these questions.

1) He's probably a natural born citizen. Conspiracies and cover ups are just too hard to conceal any more these days, it seems. Even with a national press that was in the bag for him, I just don't see someone having balls that big to try and get one past the entire nation - including the opposition research team of his opponent in the general election.

2)
a) The COLB was just easier to obtain. He may no longer have his copy of his long form birth certificate and from what I've read, the state of Hawii no longer prints those copies out, they just print out the COLB.
b) The long form may only exist as a digitized snapshot of a microfiched copy of the original form. This copy could also be lost on the state of Hawaii's part.
c) The long form may have some information on it that he feels is politically embarassing on it. For example, if there is a spot for religion and it reads Muslim, or for race it reads white.

3)
a) Producing it won't satisfy the critics/accusers. Even if he produces it, some critics will charge it is a fake.
b) He wants to protect his records. They're his records. Does everything have to be exposed if you run for president? He has produced an official document from the state of Hawaii saying he was born there, that should be good enough.
c) He's offended by the accusation and doesn't want to kowtow for his accusers. Screw them, he feels - especially if he feels the accusers are racially motivated.
d) He views it as a tool to marginalize his critics. As long as some on the fringe right want to question him about it, he can mischaracterize the rest of his critics as being in bed with them ideologically. This is akin to lumping all of Bill Clinton's opponents in with the same group that thought Clinton had Vince Foster murdered.

4) Since every court it seems has thrown out virtually every case filed in regard to this matter, it seems perhaps the only entity with oversight would be the Electoral College. I would have preferred one of the cases to survive to make it to the Supreme Court so an official ruling could provide guidance to this Constitutional issue. If the Electors are pledged to support the candidate, why would they challenge the credentials? They wouldn't, thus making there no real oversight it seems. I have a hard time seeing this issue ever occur again in the future, but it would be nice for there to be some framework in place for resolving these disputes. I'd hate to this replayed again in future elections for no other reason than to deplete campaign funds. It bothers me that someone like me, who has these types of concerns gets lumped in with the other crowd, but that's just the way this issue has been framed. I guess I'm just marginalized.

5) There's nothing I can't stand more than non-answer, answers. If someone presents something that has five subparts as completely true, and another person raises a question about one of the subparts, and the first person replies "your question is unfounded because the whole thing is true" - that to me isn't an answer. That type of answer just dismisses the one question about the subpart. Or, if someone raises an objection about one subpart, and the other person replies that its already been reviewed so there's no need to address the new question - that too is playing loose with the facts if in fact a different subpart had been reviewed, not the new one in question.



I guess what bothers me about this issue is questions 4, 5, and 3 in that order.

There's no framework in place that seems to allow for a challenge to be raised independent of one by supporters of a candidate. The people defending (administration, party, and media groups) won't substantively address any issue raised, even if its valid. And this could all be put to bed if the document in question was simply produced.

But it won't be, and no real answers will be provided, and no judge seems to have the stones to be the one that might open up pandora's box - even though as I said at the outset, there's more than likely nothing to this story.

So I think I'm done with it.

[gator]

I guess what bothers me about this issue is questions 4, 5, and 3 in that order.

4. There's no framework in place that seems to allow for a challenge to be raised independent of one by supporters of a candidate. The people defending (administration, party, and media groups) won't substantively address any issue raised, even if its valid. And this could all be put to bed if the document in question was simply produced.

5. But it won't be, and no real answers will be provided, and no judge seems to have the stones to be the one that might open up pandora's box - even though as I said at the outset, there's more than likely nothing to this story.

3. So I think I'm done with it.

Furley, question 4 is exactly the same thing that bothered me. I agree that Obama probably is a natural citizen. It just really pisses me off when zilla and other liberals try to "marginalize" us as crazy. It's crazy to want your constitutional rights protected? What if conservatives try to run some spawn of Australia's John Howard or Britain's Daniel Hannan in a few years? You know, those ultra-conservative types? What should concern every American is what procedures are in place to secure their constitutional rights. Since this story has certainly gained momentum, it is clear that no government body or office verifies the minimal constitutional requirements for office of president.....a real shame and a disgrace.

[Don Unverferth]

So you get a liberal president who is black and has a weird name, and stupid theories that he isn't a real american are going to come from somewhere. If it wasn't the birth certificate issue, it would be something else. This is what you get from the crop of weeds that Karl Rove sowed in 2000.

It is just this sort of ridiculous behavior that makes America the world's laughing stock. I feel deeply embarrassed for Republicans. With the problems Bush left behind, they'd rather tie up our politicians with lunatic conspiracy theories. What an angry, paranoid and chronically bitter pack some of them are.

[The Michigan Man]

So you get a liberal president who is black and has a weird name, and stupid theories that he isn't a real american are going to come from somewhere. If it wasn't the birth certificate issue, it would be something else. This is what you get from the crop of weeds that Karl Rove sowed in 2000.

It is just this sort of ridiculous behavior that makes America the world's laughing stock. I feel deeply embarrassed for Republicans. With the problems Bush left behind, they'd rather tie up our politicians with lunatic conspiracy theories. What an angry, paranoid and chronically bitter pack some of them are.

Yeah, as if Dems did themselves proud by harassing Bush about his National Guard service for several years. That wasn't embarassing to this country at all. At least Bush willing to serve his country in some military capacity, unlike Barry Hussein.

The reason why this is a big deal is: it shouldn't be a big deal. Where were you born? OK, let me see your BC - great, life goes on. Spending all of this time and effort to conceal and obstruct his BC is creating a lot of smoke, a condition which leads logical minds to conclude there is fire. Reveal the BC, life goes on - keep obstructing and this issue will persist.

[zilla]

"At least Bush willing to serve his country in some military capacity, unlike Barry Hussein."


I would include you too. You didn't serve liar.

[zilla]

So you get a liberal president who is black and has a weird name, and stupid theories that he isn't a real american are going to come from somewhere. If it wasn't the birth certificate issue, it would be something else. This is what you get from the crop of weeds that Karl Rove sowed in 2000.

It is just this sort of ridiculous behavior that makes America the world's laughing stock. I feel deeply embarrassed for Republicans. With the problems Bush left behind, they'd rather tie up our politicians with lunatic conspiracy theories. What an angry, paranoid and chronically bitter pack some of them are.

Bitter is the key word here. These dopes posting here (with pencil neck as their leader) are the most bitter people on the planet. Election after election, ruling after ruling goes against them but yet they feel they are in the right. If it weren't so pathetic I would actually laugh.

[Don Unverferth]

Yeah, as if Dems did themselves proud by harassing Bush about his National Guard service for several years. That wasn't embarassing to this country at all. At least Bush willing to serve his country in some military capacity, unlike Barry Hussein.

The reason why this is a big deal is: it shouldn't be a big deal. Where were you born? OK, let me see your BC - great, life goes on. Spending all of this time and effort to conceal and obstruct his BC is creating a lot of smoke, a condition which leads logical minds to conclude there is fire. Reveal the BC, life goes on - keep obstructing and this issue will persist.

This debate is over. Obama has provided all of the proof necessary right down to a blurb in the newspaper on the day of his birth. No matter what he does there are some who just won't believe he is a citizen. It's the radio and TV pundits like Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh that are making this an issue, not our President.

Let's be honest here, it freaks out a lot of the conservative republicans. They see a black guy with Kenyan ancestry, born in Hawaii and alarms go off. I think race is a factor, but probably just xenophobia in general. They fear that he's Muslim. They just can't take that. Obama is black so they zero in on that, he has a funny name so he must be a Muslim and we all know they are all terrorists. He's from Hawaii, well that's practically a different country. It takes a small person to be so riddled with fear and the GOP is filled.

While the grown-ups quietly work out economic issues, restore our standing in the world, etc. These loonies will fry their brains out over this.

[The Michigan Man]

This debate is over. Obama has provided all of the proof necessary right down to a blurb in the newspaper on the day of his birth. No matter what he does there are some who just won't believe he is a citizen. It's the radio and TV pundits like Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh that are making this an issue, not our President.

Let's be honest here, it freaks out a lot of the conservative republicans. They see a black guy with Kenyan ancestry, born in Hawaii and alarms go off. I think race is a factor, but probably just xenophobia in general. They fear that he's Muslim. They just can't take that. Obama is black so they zero in on that, he has a funny name so he must be a Muslim and we all know they are all terrorists. He's from Hawaii, well that's practically a different country. It takes a small person to be so riddled with fear and the GOP is filled.

While the grown-ups quietly work out economic issues, restore our standing in the world, etc. These loonies will fry their brains out over this.

Go down to the BMV and try to get a drivers license with a blurb from a newpaper and see how that works out for you. That isn't a valid form of ID. I actually think that he probably was born on US soil - I'm just intrigued at what he is trying to bury.

I have no problem with a QUALIFIED, non-communist, non-radically affiliated black man being president. I would have voted for Colin Powell 10 years ago, would still vote for Rice, JC Watts, Richard Steele, etc. if they ran for elected office.

I also voted against Al Gore and John Kerry for many of the same liberal agenda reasons - do I fear and hate lily white rich Christian candidates, too?

Let me know when Barry Hussein and his tax-evading economic team fix the economy for us and save the world

[Medic]

They see a black guy with Kenyan ancestry, born in Hawaii and alarms go off. I think race is a factor, but probably just xenophobia in general. They fear that he's Muslim. They just can't take that. Obama is black so they zero in on that, he has a funny name so he must be a Muslim and we all know they are all terrorists. He's from Hawaii, well that's practically a different country. <and so on and so forth>


You might wanna be careful when painting with a broad brush and pulling the race baiting gambit. Conservative Republicans fear him? How conveniently everyone forgets that a huge liberal (Phillip Berg) started this whole thing during Hillary's campaign. The issue (at one time) clearly crossed party lines.


While the grown-ups quietly work out economic issues, restore our standing in the world

What evidence do you have to support either of these claims?

[Mike Furley]

This debate is over. Obama has provided all of the proof necessary right down to a blurb in the newspaper on the day of his birth. No matter what he does there are some who just won't believe he is a citizen. It's the radio and TV pundits like Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh that are making this an issue, not our President.

Let's be honest here, it freaks out a lot of the conservative republicans. They see a black guy with Kenyan ancestry, born in Hawaii and alarms go off. I think race is a factor, but probably just xenophobia in general. They fear that he's Muslim. They just can't take that. Obama is black so they zero in on that, he has a funny name so he must be a Muslim and we all know they are all terrorists. He's from Hawaii, well that's practically a different country. It takes a small person to be so riddled with fear and the GOP is filled.

While the grown-ups quietly work out economic issues, restore our standing in the world, etc. These loonies will fry their brains out over this.




thank you don for validating my point why he won't produce his birth certificate. Some people on the fringe are going nuts over this and now every conservative is a racist. He gets more mileage out of not producing it than he does in producing it.

[MICHDAD1]

So you get a liberal president who is black and has a weird name, and stupid theories that he isn't a real american are going to come from somewhere. If it wasn't the birth certificate issue, it would be something else. This is what you get from the crop of weeds that Karl Rove sowed in 2000.

It is just this sort of ridiculous behavior that makes America the world's laughing stock. I feel deeply embarrassed for Republicans. With the problems Bush left behind, they'd rather tie up our politicians with lunatic conspiracy theories. What an angry, paranoid and chronically bitter pack some of them are.

Barack's own grandmother claims he was born in Kenya. This is where part of the controversy and questions comes in at. He is also as much a white man as he is a black man.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931

Watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4FqVRWgrNw

Berg says,

"He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

"Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution," he said. "The Constitution's provisions are very small for qualifying for president. One, be over 35, and he is. Two, be in the country 14 years, and he has been. Three, be a natural-born citizen. He is not."

And since we're talking about his Muslim roots.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pZ5EP0l63E&NR=1

[zilla]

"He gets more mileage out of not producing it than he does in producing it."


Oh yeah I know what you mean, people at my work just can't stop talking about it. I also went to the gym tonight and masses of people all gathered wondering if he were born in Kenya. Will he just show us his birth certificate so the nation can get back to work? :D:D:D:D:

[zilla]

Barack's own grandmother claims he was born in Kenya. This is where part of the controversy and questions comes in at. He is also as much a white man as he is a black man.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931

Watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4FqVRWgrNw

Berg says,

"He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

"Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution," he said. "The Constitution's provisions are very small for qualifying for president. One, be over 35, and he is. Two, be in the country 14 years, and he has been. Three, be a natural-born citizen. He is not."

And since we're talking about his Muslim roots.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pZ5EP0l63E&NR=1


Since you posted youtube links, when you posting your 40 yard FG and 60 yard TD pass? Trust me I did not forget this b.s.

[MICHDAD1]

Oh, I haven't forgotten either. You will get your video.

[gator]

So you get a liberal president who is black and has a weird name, and stupid theories that he isn't a real american are going to come from somewhere. If it wasn't the birth certificate issue, it would be something else. This is what you get from the crop of weeds that Karl Rove sowed in 2000.

It is just this sort of ridiculous behavior that makes America the world's laughing stock. I feel deeply embarrassed for Republicans. With the problems Bush left behind, they'd rather tie up our politicians with lunatic conspiracy theories. What an angry, paranoid and chronically bitter pack some of them are.

I wish I had an icon for a big pile of steaming shit.

I love how liberals always like to point out how America is the laughing stock of the world. What is that? :mad::mad:
NEWSFLASH!!!!!
Hey, asshole, nobody is keeping you here. If you're so ashamed, find somewhere you think measures up. I personally think we live in the greatest civilization the world has ever known. You just go right ahead and think this is about race, you conspiracy-driven nitwit.

We as a people need to stop thinking in terms of Republicans and Democrats; I can't even tell the difference between most of them anymore and they're both selling us out. Don't you liberals ever wonder why the education issue never gets fixed (Obama's not even talking about it)??? Have you even looked at who makes up the majority of your party's political base? You know, why do you always carry the heavily populated urban areas? Because your political base consists of the dumbest and poorest in America! Those people are being sold out but are too stupid to know it. Doesn't it make you feel good that you're on the same wavelength with them? They consistently sell their vote in exchange for a menial standard of living as long as they don't have to take personal responsibility for anything, as long as Big Daddy Government is there to take care of them. Hence, the government (both parties) is all to happy to keep that portion of society as dumb as shit so they never catch on to the real gameplan: keep our asses in power. If they only had a REAL education and understood the REAL opportunities awaited them in a performance-driven society, anyone with a lick of sense or a bit of initiative would say screw the government.

We need to start taking more responsibility for our own lives, our own families, and our own futures. It's time for the government to get a great big, "fuck off!" from all of us. Further, people who expect the government to take care of them should be shamed for that line of thinking!!! It's time to tell them we don't want your social programs, your stimulus bills, your healthcare, or your taxes. I'm not rich and I have never been, but I have put myself through the ringer to get an education, and now I am ready to get out there an succeed. This country was built on innovation, capitalism, free markets, and minimal government interference. The greatness of this country has been slowly eroding away for a long time, but now it it is getting to the point of no return. Aren't you worried about how quickly China's economy is growing while we plummet? Without the motivation or the drive to succeed, i.e., new and higher taxes every day, who will try to succeed? Have you even been following the new and proposed taxes coming down the pipe recently? Soda and juice taxes; gas and energy taxes, beer, wine, and liquor taxes; tobacco tax; video game tax; plastic surgery tax, and God knows what else. But don't worry, Obama's not going to raise your taxes one dime if you make less than $250,000. I'll just assume that those items are only bought by people making more than that amount. What a crock o' shit! We have started and will continue to descend into mediocrity, as long as we have an overbearing government that insists on "taking care of us" and we continue to let them.

[Mike Furley]

Have you even looked at who makes up the majority of your party's political base? You know, why do you always carry the heavily populated urban areas? Because your political base consists of the dumbest and poorest in America! Those people are being sold out but are too stupid to know it. Doesn't it make you feel good that you're on the same wavelength with them? They consistently sell their vote in exchange for a menial standard of living as long as they don't have to take personal responsibility for anything, as long as Big Daddy Government is there to take care of them.

I am a big fan of The Wire that aired on HBO. The creator, David Simon, wrote a book called The Corner that was made into a mini-series that aired on HBO prior to The Wire. Now keep in mind, David Simon is a liberal minded person, but even he could see this when he so astutely noted:

"Welfare is a bribe - and a good one at that. For more than two decades it's been a bribe and only a bribe, stripped of the higher ideals that once accompanied the payoff. Those ideals called for a process by which poor and damaged citizens could be rescued and made whole, but such a process has proven more costly and problematic than anyone initially imagined. So the nation has retreated from that committment, using check day as a rear guard. The pretense of salvaging human bengs has been gradually reduced to a string of elemental transactions: Take this. Shut up. Stay put until next month when there will be more of the same.

The incredible thing is that such a small investment can purchase so much silence and apathy......

In the grand scheme of government, all of it added up and compounded with interest is hardly worth complaining about, yet incredibly, we are forever complaining. Absurd as such an expectation is, the belief that all of our handouts will at some point produce viable citizens remains with us; when nothing of the sort comes to pass, we are furious.....

After the last thirty years' experience , it is frankly astonishing that we can still pretend that this response to poverty deserves anything other than cynicism and contempt. Yet to do anything more - anything beyond the bribe itself - remains unthinkable to the nation as a whole." pp 374-5 The Corner


Now Simon's ideas for fixing the poverty in this country aren't tuned from the same fork as the one I hold, but if a liberal and conservative can both see the current situation as a crime against humanity, why do we continue to tolerate it?

I think in part, the Democrats have won with the small bribe and the Republicans have more or less written off trying to win this segment back. So the Democrats continue along, and Goldman Sachs, GE, Trial Lawyers, Union workers, and government employees can make out like bandits while the underclass gets a bump up to another few days of funding. Instead of the welfare payments covering only 15 days of the month, they now cover about 20. The person needing the assistance still can't make ends meet, but where else are they going to turn?

And is anybody held accountable? No. We talk about birth certificates instead.

[Don Unverferth]

If your son would have brought in a birth notice cut out from his local newpaper as a form of valid ID he would have been laughed out of the DMV. Yeah, for my proof of having a degree, I can just show my employer the "Good News" section of my local podunk paper that my mom posted because she was proud of me and that's as good as an official transcript, right?

This guy is the President, and this is basic shit - where is your certified birth certificate? The only reason this is such a big deal is because it is so elementary and basic, it is bizarre to go through such lengths to obstruct the truth. This isn't an application to be a pizza deliverer, it pertains to the highest office in the US. Be a stand up guy and reveal your birth certificate.

Why is this still being discussed? It's a non issue. During the Election Campaign they had already investigated Obama's birth certificate after hearing a rumor that he might not be a citizen, so for him to go down the same path again would only validate the birthers and all the other loonies.

[The Michigan Man]

Why is this still being discussed? It's a non issue. During the Election Campaign they had already investigated Obama's birth certificate after hearing a rumor that he might not be a citizen, so for him to go down the same path again would only validate the birthers and all the other loonies.

If it was Bush's BC we were talking about, would the other side just let it go? Yeah, right.

I remember a relentless grilling of Bush about his National Guard service, which had no bearing on his Constitutional fitness to be President.

Libbies can't spend 8 years constantly picking at Bush and then expect different treatment when their guy is in office, that's not how it works.

[zilla]

Why is this still being discussed? It's a non issue. During the Election Campaign they had already investigated Obama's birth certificate after hearing a rumor that he might not be a citizen, so for him to go down the same path again would only validate the birthers and all the other loonies.

Don,

The only people that care about this are the wackos that will never vote for Obama, so who really cares. Let then talk about it, it makes them actaully feel they have a voice. I feel sorry for them actually.

[Don Unverferth]

Don,

The only people that care about this are the wackos that will never vote for Obama, so who really cares. Let then talk about it, it makes them actaully feel they have a voice. I feel sorry for them actually.

Exactly. I'm becoming more and more convinced that with the majority of them, there is some other underlying issue that really bothers them about Obama. Even here there's this thread and 43 comments about an issue that has been proven to be non existent.

[zilla]

Exactly. I'm becoming more and more convinced that with the majority of them, there is some other underlying issue that really bothers them about Obama. Even here there's this thread and 43 comments about an issue that has been proven to be non existent.


This will be my last post on this thread. Posting any further only validates their weak and bitter views.

[Wolvrin704]

Exactly. I'm becoming more and more convinced that with the majority of them, there is some other underlying issue that really bothers them about Obama. Even here there's this thread and 43 comments about an issue that has been proven to be non existent.

The same could have been said about the other side when Bush was in office.

What really bothers us about Obama are his ideals. Can't you people understand that?

[The Michigan Man]

The same could have been said about the other side when Bush was in office.

What really bothers us about Obama are his ideals. Can't you people understand that?

Exactly. I would have been just as annoyed and cast just as much scrutiny if Kerry or Gore would have won. I was deeply disturbed and very unhappy when Clinton was President - what was my racial motivation for disliking him?

What "underlying issues" did I have with those three clowns? Do I hate white politicians? Its the issues, dummy...

[Don Unverferth]

Exactly. I would have been just as annoyed and cast just as much scrutiny if Kerry or Gore would have won. I was deeply disturbed and very unhappy when Clinton was President - what was my racial motivation for disliking him?

What "underlying issues" did I have with those three clowns? Do I hate white politicians? Its the issues, dummy...

If it's the legitimate issues why the thread and the posts? Obama's citizenship is not an issue.... dummy.

[The Michigan Man]

If it's the legitimate issues why the thread and the posts? Obama's citizenship is not an issue.... dummy.

Hay dummy, get your head out of the trough and try to keep up.

You stated:

"Exactly. I'm becoming more and more convinced that with the majority of them, there is some other underlying issue that really bothers them about Obama. Even here there's this thread and 43 comments about an issue that has been proven to be non existent. "

That was what I was referencing - how fucking dense are you that you can't even keep your own posts straight?

[Wolvrin704]

If it's the legitimate issues why the thread and the posts? Obama's citizenship is not an issue.... dummy.

I agree that he is a legitimate citizen and that the issue isn't really much of one. But if its not an issue why would the WH press secretary even bother with addressing it?

Just because we don't agree with Obama and his ideals doesn't mean we can't discuss any other news items that crop up regarding him or his administration.

[Don Unverferth]

Hay dummy, get your head out of the trough and try to keep up.

You stated:

"Exactly. I'm becoming more and more convinced that with the majority of them, there is some other underlying issue that really bothers them about Obama. Even here there's this thread and 43 comments about an issue that has been proven to be non existent. "

That was what I was referencing - how fucking dense are you that you can't even keep your own posts straight?

Hey ugly dummy. If there isn't a legitimate issue to discuss, why else would you be discussing it. There must be another reason or an underlying issue with the man. Get it? It's 3rd grade stuff really.

Oh, and I forget. When exactly did you say Yost designed the winged helmet? LOL!!!

[The Michigan Man]

Hey ugly dummy. If there isn't a legitimate issue to discuss, why else would you be discussing it. There must be another reason or an underlying issue with the man. Get it? It's 3rd grade stuff really.

Oh, and I forget. When exactly did you say Yost designed the winged helmet? LOL!!!

Wow, are you ever a dense son of a philly!

WTF did you mean by this:


Exactly. I'm becoming more and more convinced that with the majority of them, there is some other underlying issue that really bothers them about Obama. .

Focus. Focus. Focus. Let me treat you like the double digit IQ possessing individual that you are. What does "there is some underlying issue" mean? What does that have to do with his BC? Nothing. I responded by questioning what issues did I have with other crappy politicians like Clinton, Kerry, and Gore that I don't have with Barry Hussein (since you were eluding to racism as the "underlying issue")?

Did you save the dunce cap you used to wear in grade school when you repeated the 4th grade 3 times?

Holy shit are you a dumbass! You only have two brain cells and half of them don't work.

If you still don't understand, save yourself further embarassment and just pretend like you do. Get yourself some hay and go trot for awhile, it will be okay.

[Don Unverferth]

Wow, are you ever a dense son of a philly!

WTF did you mean by this:



Focus. Focus. Focus. Let me treat you like the double digit IQ possessing individual that you are. What does "there is some underlying issue" mean? What does that have to do with his BC? Nothing. I responded by questioning what issues did I have with other crappy politicians like Clinton, Kerry, and Gore that I don't have with Barry Hussein (since you were eluding to racism as the "underlying issue")?

Did you save the dunce cap you used to wear in grade school when you repeated the 4th grade 3 times?

Holy shit are you a dumbass! You only have two brain cells and half of them don't work.

If you still don't understand, save yourself further embarassment and just pretend like you do. Get yourself some hay and go trot for awhile, it will be okay.

Funny. Are you pretending to be a stupid ugly dummy for attention or is it that you are so completely uninformed and owned by Don that you can't issue a credible post? You are babbling on incessantly about a non issue. Keep going though, this is fun.

Sorry zilla, I think we agreed to stop giving this thread validity by continuing to post but this is so incredibly funny reading posts by this loon.

[Wolvrin704]

Funny. Are you pretending to be a stupid ugly dummy for attention or is it that you are so completely uninformed and owned by Don that you can't issue a credible post? You are babbling on incessantly about a non issue. Keep going though, this is fun.

Sorry zilla, I think we agreed to stop giving this thread validity by continuing to post but this is so incredibly funny reading posts by this loon.

Well then instead of coming in this backpage thread of a topic why don't you go into one of the ones about the real issues and debate about those?

[The Michigan Man]

Funny. Are you pretending to be a stupid ugly dummy for attention or is it that you are so completely uninformed and owned by Don that you can't issue a credible post? You are babbling on incessantly about a non issue. Keep going though, this is fun.

Sorry zilla, I think we agreed to stop giving this thread validity by continuing to post but this is so incredibly funny reading posts by this loon.

I'm actually done horsing around on this topic with you and the deck swabber...

[byebyelloyd]

I'm actually done horsing around on this topic with you and the deck swabber...

and you all thought i was actually angry about this shit. these two have been going at it way longer than myself and the idiot dipshit.

[MICHDAD1]

Interesting commentary @ the 5:30 - 6:30 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFiab7fjak

Check out this one too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujugUiFtBKU&feature=related